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Kaylee

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She was making something out of nothing hallia, i think we're all agreed thats how she scumhunts to look for reactions. and while im not deciding if their was a gambit at play you seem quick to push off the reactions aj has made due to Despo's play. Nothing at all seemed scummy in his post or even together? Did you feel as if a gambit was possible? your read seems rather vague.

The bold is what I was agreeing with. Tried to say that earlier but was cloudflared.

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VOTE DESPO

 

Got a strong eye on one other person as well.  But, Despo is the first scum. 

 

This is your 2nd post of the game and you start with claiming that someone is scum. Opportunistic? Seems to me like scum parroting what others have said hoping for an easy lynch on D1. Scum lean

 

I personally don't agree with Des's facts that a person jovial tone can be an indicator of their alignment. In my opinion, any one's jovial or bored tone needn't be an indicator of their alignment. If according to this theory that all mafia would have a jovial or excited tone, then subsequently all town would have a bored tone and thereby be uninterested in playing. Other than this he mostly gives me a null read till now.

 

AJ, most of your defense against Des's vote seems ok, albeit one thing. The one thing that pinged the most is you threatening Des to have him killed. Now I can look at this 2 ways-you're a vig, ergo your claim that you can kill him if he pushes your lynch. Or you're scum-this fits with your theory that you can get him killed but also supports one thing that you said. Acc. to you, even if you were lynched, you could still get him killed. If he lynches you, your scummates plot in the QT and get him for the NK. This neatly fits with what you said.

This gives me a slight scum read on you AJ.

 

The rest, mostly nothing has happened. Everyone is mostly giving their reads, conclusions and opinions on AJ and Des's spate.

 

These are the few things I wanted to comment upon while I read up. Also what's a gambit?

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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@Des: I disagree with your statement of calling potential gambit being a scumtell. Nothing wrong if a townie wants to mention that as an FYI and a statement on how they are viewing the situation.

 

Ugh, lulz phase was too quick! I'm scumhunting already?! What is this nonsense?!?!

 

It's not really that reliable of a scumtell since townies can very easily be paranoid of a gambit when there's a big back and forth between two players, but I do think it's a scumtell. I've seen scum employ it before when one of their own was "outed" by a strong town leader before as a way to try and get a mislynch on the townie the next day, and saying it seems like a gambit allows them to distance from their teammate as well as link them to a townie.

 

Even worse, in the case that I'm wrong about AJ and this is town on town violence, scum can sit back and call it a gambit, thereby not taking a true side on the whole affair and letting it dominate discussion for a lot longer. And it can make it look like they didn't "know" either player was town, cause they "thought" it was a gambit. See what I mean?

 

Thing is I think calling something a gambit between two players before either's alignment is known or before the situation has even fully played out is somewhat premature. Say we lynch AJ and he turns out to be scum. Does that mean I should be lynched next? A number of people on thread apparently seem to think so. I find this to be a way of setting up a lynch on me in the future if I'm right, and likely suspicion on me anyways if I'm wrong. Puts me in a no-win situation, all because I boldly called out something I saw on someone and he OMGUS'd.

 

 

@Des: I disagree with your statement of calling potential gambit being a scumtell. Nothing wrong if a townie wants to mention that as an FYI and a statement on how they are viewing the situation.

 

Ugh, lulz phase was too quick! I'm scumhunting already?! What is this nonsense?!?!

The bold is part of what makes me think they are pulling a gambit.

 

uh, what? Just before this you said you thought it was a gambit cause- oh hell I'll just quote it:

 

For me it's that and suddenly, after they go back and forth a bit, AJ has list of potential suspects, supposedly based off meta. The problem I have with that is Leelou is on the list after Des mentions her, and for weak reasons

 

So Salami says why he thinks it's a gambit, you state something different to help support that it's a gambit, then change your story to saying you think it's a gambit because I said calling a back and forth between two players a gambit early on is a scumtell? That literally makes zero sense, and you changing your story is a gigantic ping for me.

 

For vebal's sanity and cause it seemed fitting!

 

I have to say that my first thoughts where scum tells on aj but a few times i got a gambit feeling. I'd have to say im leaning more town on despo if anyone. Even though the starting case seemed pretty hollow aj didnt hold up well with pressure. But the more it went the akwarder the casing looked for both sides. im not going to dismiss a gambit for that reason but im not totally convince of it yet. That would just be way to optimistic for a realist like me. 

 

Also i didnt care for AJ's use of meta's like that! go ahead and tell scum exactly how not to behave this game. Wasn't found of that.

 

Yay someone else mentioning that AJ and I's interaction could be a gambit :dry:

 

 

Vote Des

Why vote Des? To get a train started there with a second vote instead of putting AJ at 4 votes. I can switch my vote to AJ if need be.

So do you think AJ and Des are scum? Because right now you are following AJ onto Des and threw in some I can switch distancing in there.

 

This^

 

Good post from Leelou imo. Makes me feel a bit better about her.

 

Alright, back again and sober today.

 

Des, I stand by what I said. Perhaps my point wasn't made very well last night cause I was rambling a bit, so I'll try to clarify. Basically your case boils down to you saying that I come across as 'jovial' to you and this is an indicator that I received a scum PM and am excited about it. The issue I have with this is simple: You are only applying it in one direction. Why couldn't someone be excited because they got a town PM? I have a hard time believing that you didn't come to this conclusion on your own. If anything that reason should be considered null. So, like I said... I will crush you if this is what you are going to bring against me :biggrin:Really the only thing that you have mentioned against me that could be substantial was my saying killed vs lynched, but I think the point was clear. Eliminate, remove, knock out, etc they all mean the same thing. Fortunately you are exhibiting some of that narcissist Des behavior where you tunnel players and essentially call everything they say scummy, so townie points for that. It's annoying as hell, but it makes me think you could be town.

 

unvote

 

@Salami - Could you elaborate what you think is scummy in my post 58? I've seen you bring it up a few times now and frankly I'm unable to follow your thought process. Also, to answer your question in general I wouldn't say I would automatically be suspicious of everyone that attacks me. That's just part of the game. Their reasoning is a big thing for me, so Des was included on that list for his original vote reasoning. I also aren't following with what you were saying about my 'would like to think' you're town thing. You can disregard my meta read but I find it generally useful early in the game. A lurky CS is usually a scum CS, so in this instance you actually posting would make me lean the other direction based on that alone. I'd like you to explain more of your thought process though, plz.

 

I liked Amega's post. I'm sort of surprised the first thing people thought of was some sort of gambit. I dislike Kaylee's 'could go either way thing', I'm also unable to see where she got the idea of a distancing gambit based on that bolded quote she posted.

 

vote Kaylee

 

Alright so first of all: Holy Backtrack Batman! You start getting some votes cause people see you as the obviously scummier one between us, so you suddenly think I "could be" town now. Biiiig surprise.

 

:rolleyes:

 

As for the rest-

 

Bold: Cause you're much more likely to see a town PM than a scum one, just due to the laws of probability. If you see something a lot more often, you're not going to be as surprised to see it. Plus you could have gotten roled onto a scum team with people you really like, I know that gets me excited when I see the same.

 

Italics: Oh come on bro. It's day 1. Suuuuch a scummy tactic to go "All you really got on me is _____". Anyways, no- I don't think the point was clear. You were threatening to kill me and crush me, and several times implied that you could have me killed even if you were already dead. To me, that's as good as claiming scum. And yet you don't even really address this point when others bring it up.

 

Underlined: Why do you like Amega's post then? He brought up the gambit thing too... and btw nice distancing attempt with Kaylee.

 

She was making something out of nothing hallia, i think we're all agreed thats how she scumhunts to look for reactions. and while im not deciding if their was a gambit at play you seem quick to push off the reactions aj has made due to Despo's play. Nothing at all seemed scummy in his post or even together? Did you feel as if a gambit was possible? your read seems rather vague. 

 

:dry: @ bolded.

 

So you wanna be included in the group that "knows Despot so well" in regards to the way I scumhunt, yet you don't know my gender. Really?

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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AJ and Kaylee are scum. The third one is likely laying low since AJ went all out and Kaylee is now having to distance from him. Honestly don't have any strong town reads yet, that needs to change quick. I've been on a roll lately with PoE, won't work if other townies aren't broadcasting their alignment. It would be nice to see others give thoughts on something OTHER than a possible "gambit" between AJ and I when that's not what is going on and is essentially the only thing I see people commenting on.

Leelou Spam Master

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More importantly, the lack of a Spiderman derail is killing me!

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Alright, back again and sober today.

 

Des, I stand by what I said. Perhaps my point wasn't made very well last night cause I was rambling a bit, so I'll try to clarify. Basically your case boils down to you saying that I come across as 'jovial' to you and this is an indicator that I received a scum PM and am excited about it. The issue I have with this is simple: You are only applying it in one direction. Why couldn't someone be excited because they got a town PM? I have a hard time believing that you didn't come to this conclusion on your own. If anything that reason should be considered null. So, like I said... I will crush you if this is what you are going to bring against me :biggrin: Really the only thing that you have mentioned against me that could be substantial was my saying killed vs lynched, but I think the point was clear. Eliminate, remove, knock out, etc they all mean the same thing. Fortunately you are exhibiting some of that narcissist Des behavior where you tunnel players and essentially call everything they say scummy, so townie points for that. It's annoying as hell, but it makes me think you could be town.

 

unvote

 

@Salami - Could you elaborate what you think is scummy in my post 58? I've seen you bring it up a few times now and frankly I'm unable to follow your thought process. Also, to answer your question in general I wouldn't say I would automatically be suspicious of everyone that attacks me. That's just part of the game. Their reasoning is a big thing for me, so Des was included on that list for his original vote reasoning. I also aren't following with what you were saying about my 'would like to think' you're town thing. You can disregard my meta read but I find it generally useful early in the game. A lurky CS is usually a scum CS, so in this instance you actually posting would make me lean the other direction based on that alone. I'd like you to explain more of your thought process though, plz.

 

I liked Amega's post. I'm sort of surprised the first thing people thought of was some sort of gambit. I dislike Kaylee's 'could go either way thing', I'm also unable to see where she got the idea of a distancing gambit based on that bolded quote she posted.

 

vote Kaylee

After going back through your posts, I think you got a little over-defensive with your threatening to kill Des for going after you. Des loves to get reactions and you gave him one. As to whether I think your scum or roled town, I'm starting to lean scum from Kaylee's posts.

 

  

 

 

Vote Des

Why vote Des? To get a train started there with a second vote instead of putting AJ at 4 votes. I can switch my vote to AJ if need be.

So do you think AJ and Des are scum? Because right now you are following AJ onto Des and threw in some I can switch distancing in there.

Yes, as I explained I think they're running a gambit.

I'm not following AJ, just creating competitive trains because I think it's likey they're both scum. That's also why um willing to switch my vote.

The way you are interacting with AJ (voting with him and the distancing), I'm getting a stronger scum vibe from you than him.

 

 

AJ and Kaylee are scum. The third one is likely laying low since AJ went all out and Kaylee is now having to distance from him. Honestly don't have any strong town reads yet, that needs to change quick. I've been on a roll lately with PoE, won't work if other townies aren't broadcasting their alignment. It would be nice to see others give thoughts on something OTHER than a possible "gambit" between AJ and I when that's not what is going on and is essentially the only thing I see people commenting on.

I hate how everyone tries to see a gambit every game.

 

unvote, vote Kaylee

Leelou Spam Master

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More importantly, the lack of a Spiderman derail is killing me!

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Apparently that doesn't want to work from my iPad. :dry:

WolfbrotherKronos Spam Master

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AJ (2) - Despo, Csarmi
Verbal (1) – Amagakure

Despo (2) - Kaylee, Peace

Kaylee (2) - AJ, Leelou

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