[Basic] Reboot Mafia Game MAFIA WINS

[Xthrax]

 

First of all Cloud, have you read anything I've posted so far or just blindly continued ahead. 'Cause I have responded to these reasons multiple times before. Anyway, will do it once more.

 

Bold-Like I said before, Kaylee appeared the most scummy to me followed by Des. She appeared most scummy at that time. She started of with her first vote and post which seemed clearly as a set up for a switch. Then came the talk of a gambit. Then she proceeded to state that she thought both of them scummy followed by thinking that she was unsure about Des and then stating that they feel like teammates.

 

After this came AJ's claim as Doc. She seemed unwilling to believe him and said she still doesn't think he's town and suspected him. All this proceeded to make me suspect her.

 

Now Des-The main reason why I suspected him was because of his original weak reason of voting AJ. But then AJ's subsequent reaction and threats followed by Des's case on him reduced my scummy opinion of him. It seemed like Des put out a reason seeing if it would stick and AJ seemed to go for it.

 

Now, if you had 2 people both of whom seemed scummy to you who would you vote, then one who appeared more scummy or the lesser one? That is what I did, vote for Kaylee as she seemed to be more scummier.

It’s really a nice explanation and all but like I said I don’t care. You voted for Kaylee while also nudging Despo’s train. That’s all there is to it.

 

Italics-Not so much as clearing myself. Like I've said before, I was stating that it was a good thing that Des was caught, also it confirmed what I slightly felt.

“Not so much” is still something And stating that it was a good thing that Despo was caught is stating the most obvious thing in the world if you were town. It shows that you are only interested in keeping up appearances.

 

Underlined-I found myself to be guilty of some reason? I never defended myself. It was a post explaining my absence and the reason why I didn't take an active part through D-2. I couldn't get a chance to post why I might miss, so just posted why I did. If you read something into this, you come across as pretty desperate to find a reason to vote me.

 

Town wouldn't have a reason to post this? Town are the ones who are supposed to catch the scum in this game and since due to RL constraints I couldn't put a lot of effort into D-2 thereby leading me to post why I couldn't play that active a part.

 

This:

It wasn't missing deadline. I was in school at deadline.

Came out of nowhere and sounds pretty defensive to me. You were immediately assuming someone was attacking you because you missed the deadline while that wasn’t the case.

I think a townie would have said something more in the way of “Hey guys I’m sorry that I wasn’t around during the end of Day 2. I was very busy with school”. Do you notice how it sounds differently?

 

By the way I find it amusing how you are copying Despo’s style of replying to quotes with the bold, the italics and the underlined.

 

 

@ Amega, to me you didn't appear scummy more of confused.

Only a townie is able to be confused. Why did you immediately assume that Amega was town?

 

This vote of yours is the most oppurtunistic vote, jumping on a wagon without any real reason.

So now Amega is scummy again because of his opportunistic vote on you? Also, define what a real reason is.

 

 

Bold-I have posted my reason for what I did. If you are not willing to listen to what I have to say and have closed your mind, I can do nothing but then tell you to read what I have written.

 

Italics-You are getting hung up over semantics. And may I ask whats wrong in stating the obvious thing. A townie can be glad that we caught a mafia can they not. A question to you Cloud-What is a townie supposed to do then, be oblivious to what happened? To me if you act oblivious, not giving any attention to it, that is scummy.

 

Underlined-Too defensive? You are getting hung up about semantics. Like I said, that was in response to Wombat saying I disappeared. Here you are taking what I said completely out of context and using a few phrases completely changing what I meant. So added to his question, I responded and that was the sentence formation.

 

Oh, it really is sad to see you stoop to giving such weak reasons to try and associate me with Des. I used Bold, Italics and Underlined to try and make what I said cleared and to highlight the points I was referring. And I shall continue to use them. You must know that your case is really weak to try and get something out of that. 

 

Green-By your own reasoning that only a townie can be confused I am town. Like I said, Amega seemed very confusing to read then.

 

Violet-Yeah, Amega's vote was oppurtunistic. See here, is another example of you taking what I said out of context and completely changing the meaning. 

 

Are you saying that I said Amega is scummy? Check again dude. Do try to read what I said before you make completely bogus cases. It is only scum who oppurtunisticly vote a person as they are trying to get an easy lynch.

 

A real reason is something that is made of logic and supported by facts and hard evidence. Not bogus cases and saying that somebody said/did something when they haven't.

[Leelou]

X - who do you think is scum?

[Leelou]

Oh and why?

[Xthrax]

 

Like you said there were a bunch of people who voted Kaylee for many reasons, instead you decide to vote me for not voting you? Why are you defending Kaylee so much?

What are you reads? Who do you think are the two scum players at this point of the game? The only thing that you are doing now is defending yourself and asking loaded questions like “why are you defending player X so much?”. The simple answer is that he has a town read on her but you aren’t interested in hearing his answer are you? You are just trying to divert attention away from yourself.

 

 

I am defending myself 'cause I'm trying to not let town lose. 'Cause this is proceeding in a wrong direction. 

 

Loaded questions? I asked him why is he going after my reason for voting Kaylee. At that point in D1 those reasons lead me to believe that she was scum. I never said that I still find her scummy. According to what he said he did exactly the same things as Kaylee so I should have voted him. I have also replied to why I didn't.

 

I never stopped him from giving his read on anyone. Let him do.

 

My current picks are TG and you Cloud.

 

You mainly because of the weak reasoning like comparing the words I use to those that Des uses.

For continuously tunneling and not even reading or listening to the reasons I gave. I bet that you still have not read the original case I gave on Kaylee which could help you understand why I voted her.

Also, you keep on misconstruing what I say, take thing out of context to make them support your case and say that I did things when I haven't done them. You are putting in things to make what you said stronger. One such example is when you asked how do I define a real reason. Pray, do ell me what was the point of that? A person really scum hunting would waste their time putting up stuff like that.

[peacesells]

Not a big fan of the X train.  All the votes have very thin reasons.  Town getting lazy, scum taking advantage.

[Leelou]

Not much is going on this game.

[Xthrax]

I may not be around when I someone puts me at L-1 so-

 

Claim: I am Old Man Pearson, Vanilla Town

[_CLOUD]

A question to you Cloud-What is a townie supposed to do then, be oblivious to what happened? To me if you act oblivious, not giving any attention to it, that is scummy.

Not stating the obvious doesn’t mean that you are oblivious of what just happened. A townie usually doesn’t feel the need to comment on the death of a mafioso unless he played an important part in getting that person lynched. So it’s out of place for you to cheer for a mafioso’s death while you were pushing for his counter train the entire time.

 

 

Oh, it really is sad to see you stoop to giving such weak reasons to try and associate me with Des. I used Bold, Italics and Underlined to try and make what I said cleared and to highlight the points I was referring. And I shall continue to use them. You must know that your case is really weak to try and get something out of that.

I’m not basing my case around you for using bold, italics and underlined to reply to quotes. It stuck out to me because I have only ever seen Despo use that system.

 

Green-By your own reasoning that only a townie can be confused I am town. Like I said, Amega seemed very confusing to read then.

I don’t read you as confused at all. A mafia can certainly act confused, but he can never be genuinely confused unless he is hunting for a third party, cult or secondary mafia team which isn’t the case in this game. You yourself said in your previous post that Amega didn’t appear scummy to you but confused, which means that you got a townie vibe from him.

 

 

Violet-Yeah, Amega's vote was oppurtunistic. See here, is another example of you taking what I said out of context and completely changing the meaning.

 

Are you saying that I said Amega is scummy? Check again dude. Do try to read what I said before you make completely bogus cases. It is only scum who oppurtunisticly vote a person as they are trying to get an easy lynch.

How did I take your post out of context? An opportunistic vote is always viewed as a scummy move and I never argued otherwise. What stuck out to me was that you first read Amega as town because he appeared as a confused townie to you, and then you immediately changed your mind about him because of his vote on you which you found opportunistic. You even appear to agree with me after reading the bolded.

 

 

A real reason is something that is made of logic and supported by facts and hard evidence. Not bogus cases and saying that somebody said/did something when they haven't.

Exactly, and Amega provided such a reason. Nobody here argued that you have done or said something which you clearly didn’t do. We are in a disagreement with each other about the meaning behind some of your actions, but that is an entirely different thing.

 

 

Not a big fan of the X train. All the votes have very thin reasons. Town getting lazy, scum taking advantage.

You don't have any right to speak about voting with thin reasoning while you still haven't explained why Amega is mafia after seeing his actions against Despo on Day 1. You are right that I don't have the strongest case in the world against X but there also hasn't happened much for me to bring out in support of my scum read on him.

 

Loaded questions? I asked him why is he going after my reason for voting Kaylee. At that point in D1 those reasons lead me to believe that she was scum. I never said that I still find her scummy. According to what he said he did exactly the same things as Kaylee so I should have voted him. I have also replied to why I didn't.

 

I never stopped him from giving his read on anyone. Let him do.

What are you going on about? Asking someone why he is defending player X so much IS asking a loaded question and it is a way to divert attention from yourself to boot.

 

 

For continuously tunneling and not even reading or listening to the reasons I gave. I bet that you still have not read the original case I gave on Kaylee which could help you understand why I voted her.

I am listening to what you are saying. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean that I’m skimming over your posts. And yes I did skim over your original case because it didn’t manage to keep my attention which should speak for itself. And like I said I don’t give a damn what explanation you like to give to justify voting for Kaylee instead of Despo.

 

Also, you keep on misconstruing what I say, take thing out of context to make them support your case and say that I did things when I haven't done them. You are putting in things to make what you said stronger.

 

Again, just because we disagree with each other about the meaning behind some of your posts doesn’t mean that I have taken things out of context or are misinterpreting what you are saying. You can view a post from multiple angles with the meaning behind it changing every time you do so. You pushing forward the idea that your posts can only be viewed from one viewpoint, or that they should be taken at face value is ridiculous because it goes against everything Mafia is all about.

[_CLOUD]

And do you care to explain why you think TG is mafia?

[_CLOUD]

I am defending myself 'cause I'm trying to not let town lose. 'Cause this is proceeding in a wrong direction.

And this is a clear attempt at fearmongering.

[_CLOUD]

I may not be around when I someone puts me at L-1 so-

 

Claim: I am Old Man Pearson, Vanilla Town

Which funnily enough goes against the "I give up" tone of this post.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

 

 

Xthrax (3) - Cloud, Amega, Leelou

Amega (1) - Peace

 

Not Voting - Kaylee, Hallia, Xthrax, TG

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

 

Deadline is Friday, February 28 at 11:00 PM CST

 

Deadline Link

[Leelou]

Peace, why do you think Amega is scum?

[Tyler Glembo]

Hey, just a heads up that I'm interviewing people today so I will be scarce until tonight. 

[Hallia]

Tried to do a D1 reread before I start work.  Didn't quite make it to the end, but here's what stood out.

 

 

Guys, you're being transparent. Go back to your scum QT and come up with a better act.
vote AJ
Scummy tone (especially #58 and digging the grave aspect).
... But my gut tells me both of them are.

I know Cloud can't speak for his former self, but this stood out because he  supported the 'gambit' and picked AJ out of the two.

 

Same here.  Advocated the 'gambit'  

 

Yes, as I explained I think they're running a gambit.
I'm not following AJ, just creating competitive trains because I think it's likey they're both scum. That's also why um willing to switch my vote.

 

 

Defended Despo, and tried to cast AJ in a scummy light.

 

 

VOTE DESPO

Got a strong eye on one other person as well.  But, Despo is the first scum. 

This is your 2nd post of the game and you start with claiming that someone is scum. Opportunistic? Seems to me like scum parroting what others have said hoping for an easy lynch on D1. Scum lean

I personally don't agree with Des's facts that a person jovial tone can be an indicator of their alignment. In my opinion, any one's jovial or bored tone needn't be an indicator of their alignment. If according to this theory that all mafia would have a jovial or excited tone, then subsequently all town would have a bored tone and thereby be uninterested in playing. Other than this he mostly gives me a null read till now.

AJ, most of your defense against Des's vote seems ok, albeit one thing. The one thing that pinged the most is you threatening Des to have him killed. Now I can look at this 2 ways-you're a vig, ergo your claim that you can kill him if he pushes your lynch. Or you're scum-this fits with your theory that you can get him killed but also supports one thing that you said. Acc. to you, even if you were lynched, you could still get him killed. If he lynches you, your scummates plot in the QT and get him for the NK. This neatly fits with what you said.

This gives me a slight scum read on you AJ.

The rest, mostly nothing has happened. Everyone is mostly giving their reads, conclusions and opinions on AJ and Des's spate.

These are the few things I wanted to comment upon while I read up. Also what's a gambit?

 

Amega went for AJ

A gambit dear X is when two scum players go at each other in an attempt to distance themself from each other.

An im going to go ahead and Vote AJ

 

AJ and Kaylee are scum. The third one is likely laying low since AJ went all out and Kaylee is now having to distance from him. Honestly don't have any strong town reads yet, that needs to change quick. I've been on a roll lately with PoE, won't work if other townies aren't broadcasting their alignment. It would be nice to see others give thoughts on something OTHER than a possible "gambit" between AJ and I when that's not what is going on and is essentially the only thing I see people commenting on.

Usually from what I've seen scum will include town and a teammate when they name a group.  So I'm leaning that way with Kaylee/Vos.  

 

I don't think I missed one, so it seems strange for Amega to unvote AJ and then revote, but either way, going back to AJ.  Also, I think Amega tried to brush this off; but how would you know Peace is town?  AJ noticed it too. v

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part. never been a fan of town lurking.

 

 

 

 

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part.  never been a fan of town lurking.

So you know Peace is town then?

 

NO. and its a meta but he did the same in the last game. and i get a good idea thats just what he does. Even if peace was scum their only vague reads and lurking to case him on. 

 

kaylee i think seems pretty towny at the moment i think have the same feel for you as well leelou. I go with a gut read on alot of stuff i cant alway put into words like in the last game i had one about you. but your game play was rather good. This game i feel no vibes from it besides possibe town.  

I'm going to go with Amega/Vos as the mafia

 

Vote Amega

[Hallia]

Annnd lost my quote bubbles.  I hate you sometimes DM quoting system. v.v

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

Xthrax (3) - Cloud, Amega, Leelou
Amega (2) - Peace, Hallia

Not Voting - Vos, Xthrax, TG

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline is Friday, February 28 at 11:00 PM CST

Deadline Link

[amegakure]

Wow Hallia with all that time getting quotes you didnt manage to see the other post about the exact same thing where ive already disussed that and so have other people. Maybe hallia is scum? lurking pretty much the whole game along with peace. and going for a lynch on probably the most advocated town player all game. 

[Xthrax]

 

A question to you Cloud-What is a townie supposed to do then, be oblivious to what happened? To me if you act oblivious, not giving any attention to it, that is scummy.

Not stating the obvious doesn’t mean that you are oblivious of what just happened. A townie usually doesn’t feel the need to comment on the death of a mafioso unless he played an important part in getting that person lynched. So it’s out of place for you to cheer for a mafioso’s death while you were pushing for his counter train the entire time.

 

 

Oh, it really is sad to see you stoop to giving such weak reasons to try and associate me with Des. I used Bold, Italics and Underlined to try and make what I said cleared and to highlight the points I was referring. And I shall continue to use them. You must know that your case is really weak to try and get something out of that.

I’m not basing my case around you for using bold, italics and underlined to reply to quotes. It stuck out to me because I have only ever seen Despo use that system.

 

Green-By your own reasoning that only a townie can be confused I am town. Like I said, Amega seemed very confusing to read then.

I don’t read you as confused at all. A mafia can certainly act confused, but he can never be genuinely confused unless he is hunting for a third party, cult or secondary mafia team which isn’t the case in this game. You yourself said in your previous post that Amega didn’t appear scummy to you but confused, which means that you got a townie vibe from him.

 

 

Violet-Yeah, Amega's vote was oppurtunistic. See here, is another example of you taking what I said out of context and completely changing the meaning.

 

Are you saying that I said Amega is scummy? Check again dude. Do try to read what I said before you make completely bogus cases. It is only scum who oppurtunisticly vote a person as they are trying to get an easy lynch.

How did I take your post out of context? An opportunistic vote is always viewed as a scummy move and I never argued otherwise. What stuck out to me was that you first read Amega as town because he appeared as a confused townie to you, and then you immediately changed your mind about him because of his vote on you which you found opportunistic. You even appear to agree with me after reading the bolded.

 

 

For continuously tunneling and not even reading or listening to the reasons I gave. I bet that you still have not read the original case I gave on Kaylee which could help you understand why I voted her.

I am listening to what you are saying. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean that I’m skimming over your posts. And yes I did skim over your original case because it didn’t manage to keep my attention which should speak for itself. And like I said I don’t give a damn what explanation you like to give to justify voting for Kaylee instead of Despo.

 

Also, you keep on misconstruing what I say, take thing out of context to make them support your case and say that I did things when I haven't done them. You are putting in things to make what you said stronger.

 

Again, just because we disagree with each other about the meaning behind some of your posts doesn’t mean that I have taken things out of context or are misinterpreting what you are saying. You can view a post from multiple angles with the meaning behind it changing every time you do so. You pushing forward the idea that your posts can only be viewed from one viewpoint, or that they should be taken at face value is ridiculous because it goes against everything Mafia is all about.

 

 

Bold-I agree with that but there is no reason why a townie even if he was on the opposite train should not cheer the lynch. 

 

Italics-Never said you were basing your case around it. Said you were using it in your case to try and associate me with Des. Just 'cause he uses it doesn't mean others can't.

 

Underlined-At that point Amega didn't have anything much clear so I was confused. I didn't say I read Amega as confused, I said my read on him was confused.

 

Bold & Italics-I had a confused read on him, now read him as null. I said his vote was oppurtunistic, it seems scummy alright. But still I read him as confused just joining on a wagon without any real reason.

 

Italics & Underlined-If you are listening to what I say, why don't you give a damn to what explanation I'm giving. Your posts didn't have much in terms of solid reason to me, but I read them anyways. When someone takes out time to give a write up, I show the courtesy of at least reading no matter how bad.

 

Bold & Underlined-When I say something, I mean something by it. So when that is read as something that is misconstruing for me

[amegakure]

Your really gonna try and convince everyone the two people wombat has been clearing all game are secretly scum and slipped under his nose? NO way in hell. 

 

Dont even care for an x vote now. He seems to have given up and the claim is probably genuine  UNVOTE X VOTE HALLIA

[amegakure]

Cloud 

 

Not a big fan of the X train.  All the votes have very thin reasons.  Town getting lazy, scum taking advantage.

really... town getting lazy... what have you actually done in the past two days besides vote me for no reason and expect that be benifical. Please enlighten me oh mafia god. 

Peace, why do you think Amega is scum?

he wont answer im pretty sure this is the 3rd or 4th time he's been asked.

[amegakure]

yea forgot my first sentence. 

 

Cloud im not entirely settled on an x lynch. Whats your reads on hallia, peace and leelou.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

Xthrax (2) - Cloud, Leelou
Amega (2) - Peace, Hallia

Hallia (1) - Amega

Not Voting - Vos, Xthrax, TG

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline is Friday, February 28 at 11:00 PM CST

Deadline Link

[Leelou]

I really would like for Vos to catch up and add thoughts here. Hallia's play looks bad right now. I don't know why she would vote off of day 1 activity before getting together reads from day 2 and through to now. 

[nervositee]

I really would like for Vos to catch up 

 

You and me both! If anyone wants to be helpful and make a "recap" I'd be happy :D

I'm gonna skim through the thread now and add my thoughts tonight, and do a "deeper" re-read over the weekend.