[Advanced] Star Wars Thrawn Mafia, Heir To The Empire, Town and 3rd party win

[Cory Caboose]

tom knows why my activity has been low - but after work today Mafia will be eating fistfuls of my WIM

[Niniel]

Finally back at work tonight, will start a reread in a moment. Def won't be finishing till after audit tho. Quick thoughts before I start-

 

I just do not at all get Tina's handling of me as a "scumread" of hers. She keeps pushing the same weak thing all game without ever really bringing anything new up, doesn't comment on how more recent posts of mine fit into her read of me, continues to fos and nudge me, then finally day starts and she votes elsewhere and doesn't mention me?

 

I personally think a Tina/Turin scum team is more than viable. Turin starts off with a vote on me first, for the same awful reasoning as Tina (seriously, don't know how many times it can keep getting pointed out that my initial case on Salami was exploratory like all of my cases early game are, town or scum), Tina tries to distance herself from Turin by voting elsewhere, even tho Turin is now soft-defending Tina. Feeling good about my read on both.

 

Hallia's catchup makes me feel slightly better about her slot, not much tho. Excited to see if we'll be seeing the new and improved Hobbit this game!

 

Monk still looks sketchy, and his posts and reactions to pressure don't look all that great, but I agree with the sentiment that those on his train stink as well, so not voting there atm.

 

Can't remember who else I was watching off the top of my head, but for now I will vote Tina, as she has seemed scummy to me all game and now presents a potentially good info lynch. I also think she's a prime candidate for what I would figure scum would be likely to do in response to Nolder yesterday- distanced herself from his lynch initially, didn't even mention it at first in fact, then bandwagoned later when it looked obvious he would be lynched.

 

Des has mentioned me in many posts but I guess this is the tl;dr post since he votes me. 

 

1. Yes, I keep bringing up the same things. They haven´t changed. 

2. It´s your oppinion that it´s weak.

3. I hadn´t read up to your current posts back then. I had read them of course but I focused on my re-read.

4. I felt that Monk´s posts were scummier than yours. I said so and I also said that I would keep my eyes on you.

5. Here you meta defense your bad case again. 

6. Where did Turin soft defend me? He is writing it very clear. 

7. I have not looked scummy to you all game. You have been leaning more town on me on two occations. But I guess you have been suspicious of me most of the game. Just like I have been suspicious of you. Somehow my points are just old but yours are okay. 

8. How scum would do... It´s so easy to write that. I would think that scum would do different things in different games. 

[Niniel]

Don't bus so fast you might crash

 

Says the one who was hesitating voting TG since he was too lazy to unvote me. 

 

Let´s see if TG is scum. Then we can see who might have bussed him. 

[Cory Caboose]

Tina i enjoy how much more aggressive you've been here than at VS :)

[Tommyrod]

I FORGOT WHO TINA WAS ON VS OMG

 

I was wondering why the weird winding road style posts seemed familiar

[Niniel]

Am I aggressive? In my head I´m very calm. lol 

[Tommyrod]

Not aggressive. Confusing. Winding road posts that I find difficult to follow.

[Niniel]

Ah, that was @ Cory.

 

Is it because English isn´t my first language? 

[Tommyrod]

Maybe, but it's more like you seem to skip steps in logic or move between topics without me understanding why you changed.

 

There is a lack of transitioning or sentence flow... I'm too tired to explain. Lol

[Cory Caboose]

All I remember Niniel doing on VS was lurking >.>

 

But the again different environment

 

If Tina is going to #werk I'm happy giving her another phase, though I should probably read and not skim it at some point

 

Work sucks

[hazelkrs1]

Des, there isn´t a possibility that you could take all your points about me and post it in one big post that I can answer to?

Huh. The directness of this post def surprises me, since I had just been talking about how Turin wanting me to do one long summary post of my case on him was kinda scummy. Makes me think she's been skimming posts not directed at her, but if Turin was her teammate (as scum), I don't think she would skim them. So at the very least, I'm thinking that they're not likely scumbuddies. Turin seemingly knowing me to be pushing on townies makes me think he knows Tina to be town possibly.

 

Anyways that's all in my head still. Tina, I'd have to go back and review all the little things Ive found that don't look good, but eh if youre town these are the things that seem most relevant to respond to at least.

 

1. Your handling of Salami's character claim and Monk's character claim was absurdly different and your explanation for wby myself satisfied me. Why blindly accept one on D1, and distrust a more important character's claim the next day? Makes no sense.

 

2. You ignored Nol early on, and bandwagoned onto him after he subbed out, later backtracking off your reasoning but keeping your vote on him. Additionally, you never actively pushed Nolder or others after this the rest of D1 pretty much. You have tried explaining part of this before, but again I didn't find it to be quite sufficient.

 

3. In combination with you not actively applying pressure to others, you fell victim to whyme fryme several times. You've gotten your reads out yes, but most of your posts are defending yourself. Why does it seem you care more about defending yourself than finding scum?

 

4. Why overjustify a case on TG when he's the opposing train? You say you're not trying to survive but vote for who you think could be scum, why not just vote me instead? You apparently are still holding to your scum read of me, so if it's not about saving yourself, why do you board the only other train that has a good chance of succeeding besides your own?

 

5. How you've handled your reads this game. TG and I especially. You've never really addressed newer posts bymyself and how they affected your read of me. Just stuck with the "bad case is bad case, even tho this is what Des always does, that's it" and then asked why others were giving me a free pass. As far as TG, you never pressured him directly either, never showed which posts seemed scummy, just parroted others about him pretty much. If you were another player looking at that behavior, would you say this could look a bit, opportunistic on your part?

[hazelkrs1]

Was ninja'd, but yeah I'll agree Tina does seem to finally be putting some #work in. Would like to see how she responds to my last post, might make me change my opinion of her.

 

Still think Turin is megascum. Think others should join me on him.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

unofficial vote count

 

Work Sucks (1) cory

[Tommyrod]

I have no reason to think Turin is particularly pro town right now.

 

His third party hunting is bizarre and he may suffer from "knows too much" syndrome with regard to other people's roles.

 

That said, I haven't really read his posts either. They seem a bit over the top and my eyes just glaze over.

[Tyler Glembo]

I am super busy at work today, but with DL approaching I have to claim before getting lynched.

 

I'm Zakarisz Ghent, town slicer.  Apparently it means I'm a town watcher, but I don't use the force. 

[Cory Caboose]

We could all CFD onto work sucks

[Cory Caboose]

Do people here just claim like all the time?

[Tommyrod]

I don't have enough knowledge of the theme to know if that is a believable claim or not.

 

Anyone here well versed?

[hazelkrs1]

At least Watcher is a hard role to fake. There's a good chance that if he's scum, we'll be able to get him tripped up in lies. Could be a scum watcher tho. Slicer does sound a little ominous. Either way, we got a claim.

 

Join me on Turin. He's easily the scummiest person in the game right now, is pushing the most antitown agenda and dropping the most scumtells.

[Tommyrod]

This is annoying. If both Tina and TG are in fact town (not that I am saying they are) that would mean I am way off. Is someone flying super low right now? Salami, Krak, Golden come to mind. All replaced or replacements though, which makes this more frustrating.

 

I could go for a Darthe/Krak Chinese fire drill actually. Have either of them done ANYTHING?

 

Darthe's gonna Darthe of course, but I would expect Krak to have at least tried to do something. Unless I missed some posts (easily possible), all I remember him doing is joke voting me asking if someone else (Tina?) was gonna actually make reads or something hypocritical like that.

 

Darthe "knowing" I'm town that early in the game (it was like page eight) is also a little weird.

 

Unvote TG

 

Vote Krak

[hazelkrs1]

Ghent was able to "slice" into computer files to retrieve and place information, used this to help Leia. Other people were able to splice but did so for evil or w/e. Kinda like hacking I guess.

[hazelkrs1]

Fire drill onto Turin with me Tommy. Its the way to go today.

[Tommyrod]

Can you link me to your Turin cases? I forgot how impossible it is to play a DM game on my phone. Small pages, multi leveled quotes, people writing responses within quotes... AARRRGGGHH.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Vote count:

 

Des (1) Turin

Tommy (1) krak

Tina (3) Pray, des, Hally

TG (4) SP, Cory, monk, Tina

Turin (1) des

krak (1) tommy

 

Not voting everyone else

 

with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

DL is Wed. Feb. 12th at 10 PM EST

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140212T22&p0=422

[Niniel]

Maybe, but it's more like you seem to skip steps in logic or move between topics without me understanding why you changed.

 

There is a lack of transitioning or sentence flow... I'm too tired to explain. Lol

 

Okay. I will try to be more clear. Ehm... or maybe I can´t. 

 

All I remember Niniel doing on VS was lurking >.>

 

But the again different environment

 

If Tina is going to #werk I'm happy giving her another phase, though I should probably read and not skim it at some point

 

Work sucks

 

I know everyone here. I didn´t know most people at VS and tried to hide from those that I did know. lol Actually, you shouldn´t judge me by those games. I never signed up for the first game, it was a mistake. It was the holidays and then I became really sick. Was coughing for three weeks. The second game... well, I was kind of annoyed at the re-start. Anyway, I´m active some times and sometimes not. Mostly it depends on my health. 

 

 

 

 

Des, there isn´t a possibility that you could take all your points about me and post it in one big post that I can answer to?

Huh. The directness of this post def surprises me, since I had just been talking about how Turin wanting me to do one long summary post of my case on him was kinda scummy. Makes me think she's been skimming posts not directed at her, but if Turin was her teammate (as scum), I don't think she would skim them. So at the very least, I'm thinking that they're not likely scumbuddies. Turin seemingly knowing me to be pushing on townies makes me think he knows Tina to be town possibly.

 

Anyways that's all in my head still. Tina, I'd have to go back and review all the little things Ive found that don't look good, but eh if youre town these are the things that seem most relevant to respond to at least.

 

1. Your handling of Salami's character claim and Monk's character claim was absurdly different and your explanation for wby myself satisfied me. Why blindly accept one on D1, and distrust a more important character's claim the next day? Makes no sense. I tried to explain that. I wasn´t suspicious of Csarmi before his claim. I was suspicious of Monk before his claim. That is the difference. 

 

2. You ignored Nol early on, and bandwagoned onto him after he subbed out, later backtracking off your reasoning but keeping your vote on him. Additionally, you never actively pushed Nolder or others after this the rest of D1 pretty much. You have tried explaining part of this before, but again I didn't find it to be quite sufficient. Then I don´t know what to say. I wasn´t suspicious of him first, but I was after he dropped. I never backed down. I just didn´t want it to sound like Nolder does that all the time because that would be a lie. I don´t push people the way you do. 

 

3. In combination with you not actively applying pressure to others, you fell victim to whyme fryme several times. You've gotten your reads out yes, but most of your posts are defending yourself. Why does it seem you care more about defending yourself than finding scum? Well, when people suspect me I have to defend myself. I was way behind on my re-readd. Now I will be able to post more.

 

4. Why overjustify a case on TG when he's the opposing train? You say you're not trying to survive but vote for who you think could be scum, why not just vote me instead? You apparently are still holding to your scum read of me, so if it's not about saving yourself, why do you board the only other train that has a good chance of succeeding besides your own? TG was one of my biggest scum reads and since his train was the longest I chose him. I don´t think it was overjustyfying. If I hadn´t posted a reason you would probably say that I was just bandwagoning. I have a really hard time with you when you say things like this. 

 

5. How you've handled your reads this game. TG and I especially. You've never really addressed newer posts bymyself and how they affected your read of me. Just stuck with the "bad case is bad case, even tho this is what Des always does, that's it" and then asked why others were giving me a free pass. As far as TG, you never pressured him directly either, never showed which posts seemed scummy, just parroted others about him pretty much. If you were another player looking at that behavior, would you say this could look a bit, opportunistic on your part? Well, I have tried to make up for it today. 

 

 

My answers in purple. 

 

I am super busy at work today, but with DL approaching I have to claim before getting lynched.

 

I'm Zakarisz Ghent, town slicer.  Apparently it means I'm a town watcher, but I don't use the force. 

 

Did you get a result on N1? I´m not asking you what, just if.