[Basic] The Matrix - Game Over

[Nolder]

Nervositee, Mouse, Vanilla Town has been lynched

 

 

It is now Night, send in your actions.

[hazelkrs1]

Darthe's somewhat quick hammer combined with Vos flipping town might make him the best lynch tomorrow, also to prevent his miller claim wifom from causing a disaster at endgame. He hasn't seemed that scummy to me but it still might be best.

 

My best pick for mafia now is prob X, but I should go back and finish my reread.

[Nolder]

No good deed goes unpunished. Recoiling from all the death, Morpheus went to see The Oracle for guidance. If anyone would know how to proceed it would be her. Even if her advice was always given in the form of riddles. But when Morpheus arrived he found the apartment empty and knew that she must have been deleted.

 

Goldeneyes, The Oracle, Cop has been killed

[Nolder]

Votecount

none yet

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. 

 

Deadline: Thursday 10PM PST

I'd like to wrap this game up before the weekend, I will be imposing deadlines with that goal in mind.

[Darthe]

Luci

[Niniel]

Darthe - you need to talk to us. Not just drop a vote or the hammer. 

[Darthe]

#Wombat

#YOLO

[Luciena]

Darthe 

[Nolder]

Votecount

Luci - Darthe (1)

Darthe - Luci (1)

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. 

 

Deadline: Thursday 10PM PST

I'd like to wrap this game up before the weekend, I will be imposing deadlines with that goal in mind.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay now for this game. Ftr I don't like the quick votes without explanation, especially considering who they're coming from. Both of you need to come back in and put more effort in or else I'm voting to lynch both of you out THIS PHASE, cause I'm a bawsh like that.

 

Gonna finish my reread first, be back in a bit.

[Niniel]

I really don´t like those two votes. I´m at work now but I will be back later this afternoon. 

[hazelkrs1]

Okay I finished collecting my little wall of quotes, but ran out of time before audit. I DID find the third mafia tho, this time fo realz lol.

 

Vote Tina.

 

Looks like my early game suspicions were right on the money. Reasoning will have to come later after audit. But I'm feeling pretty good about this, even better than I did yesterday about Vos.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Luci - Darthe (1)

Darthe - Luci (1)

Tina - Des (1)

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. 

 

Deadline: Thursday 10PM PST

I'd like to wrap this game up before the weekend, I will be imposing deadlines with that goal in mind.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay audit's done and my tummy's full so I'm ready for this!

 

Alright so Follow the Cop worked until it didn't. Then our cop died. Now we're left to our own awesome scumhunting devices. I gotta say I was surprised I wasn't NK'ed a couple of nights ago- when Err was NK'ed. It also seemed Err was a bit of a strange choice, even tho AJ had started leading a train on him that day. That would normally semi-clear him, but with the way GE played his first guilty viewing, scum would have known that he might do so again, so really AJ could have been distancing from Err. And it still wouldn't have been that tough to get Err lynched after that. Yet he ended up being the NK, not GE or myself or Tina, a cop and three vets (Darthe would normally qualify for this, but he is a claimed miller so NKing him is beyond dumb and he hasn't been all that motivated to catch scum anyways lately). This started to make me feel I was possibly chasing the wrong leads. On finishing my reread, I think this is partially true, that I was kept around because I wasn't as much of a threat to them. Anyways, here we go-

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 2:24 AM, Nolder said:

Votecount
Theodora - Basel (1)
Nervositee - WolfbrotherKronos (1)
Tina - Goldeneyes, Despothera (2)
Tglems - Theodora, Xthrax, Err (3)
Goldeneyes - Darthe, Nervositee, Tina, Andrej, Tglems (5)


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140127T18&p0=137

 

Man I just realized I meant to quote more VC's, like pre-GE reveals and whatnot. Well, I got this one, before GE revealed as cop. Should be nice and informative...

 

Kronos obv replaced by Luci, and I don't recall the reasoning for his vote, but being an outlier vote when the two main trains were both on townies (TG and GE) would make sense as a good place for scum to hide.

 

On GE's train, the fact that Darthe started the train is points in his favor. Scum rarely wanna look like the person that started or mainly pushed a train on a townie. And I said before I had a great dislike for Tina's vote on GE at the time, it seemed she was trying to paint him as a bully possibly to get more votes on him, and when called out she essentially just said she was sheeping Darthe. So yeah her vote looks scummier than X's on this one imo.

 

I might spend time getting other pre-reveal VC's if I remember/need to

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 9:00 AM, TinaHel said:

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 11:16 PM, Err said:

ok... i am traveling today... so dont know if i will be able to check in by the time of deadline... but here is what i have to say...

 

Golden if a towny could be a great asset..... i would not prefer voting him out in day 1 without any solid reason... 

 

i dont know why me mentioning a possibility of GF in the game is suspicious... this is the most probabilistic combination i could come up with.... 

 

Vos and Tglems seems more scummier then the other people on the chopping block at this time.... i would put by vote on Tglems

 

Vote Tglems

 

4. I agree with who ever said it that this is not a good reason for a vote. 

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 12:43 AM, Basel Gill said:

Glad you're all right, Kronos.

 

3. Basel, there have been a lot of discussion but you choose to not comment on any of it. Why?

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 5:20 AM, GoldeneyesND said:

Eh screw it. I tried to apply pressure to some people I'd never played with before to try and see if that rattled them. Evidently that is the most evil thing in the world you can do and I kick puppies. Scum has a hold of my train now and they're leading the sheep to a day 1 mislynch. I'm happy with my vote were it is.

 

Also

 

Hard Claim- Cop

 

So that sucks. Appreciate a Doc protect tonight if we have one. 

 

Unvote.

 

2. We can never be sure that Nolder have included a cop at all but if you are the cop I don´t want to kill you D1. 

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 5:28 AM, Despothera said:

Unvote, Vote TGlems

 

1. I don´t understand the reason for your switch. 

 

 

Vote Err.

 

There's a lot wrong with this post in retrospect- goin in reverse order cause yeah:

 

1. I had already stated my reasoning. Didn't do so in the post she quoted, but did shortly after (click on the arrow on my nestled quote to see for yourself). Tina acting like she doesn't understand was either her not reading the thread and trying to find something to make me look scummy, or was ignoring my reasoning and focusing on my vote post to make me look scummy. Either way it looks bad on her.

 

2. Unvotes but lays the foundation to try and get GE lynched in the future. Extreme ping.

 

3. Fos's Basel for not commenting on everything else when all he said in his post was that he hoped Kronos was alright. Tbh I find this both scummy on Tina's part and kinda poor sportsmanship as well- if I was catching up and saw something like that (Kronos's accident) to respond to, I'd likely just comment on that cause RL > mafia. Using Basel's post to try and make him look bad is kinda classless imo.

 

4. Here's the biggest point I wanted to make tho. You know who it was that said Err's reasoning wasn't good for his vote? AJ. Yet Tina says "whoever it was that said that"... a common scumtell. Scum hate mentioning their teammates directly, especially when they're in agreement with them. I myself have used this tactic, and I've seen Tina do this before as scum as well. Major ping right there.

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 10:17 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 9:14 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

Aj fair enough. 

 

My issue with TG is twofold

1- On principle I don't particularly care about a "would be nice to hear from the less active players" post. Posting a list of names along with number of posts is NOT that. It is a soft FOS and I don't really care who disagrees with me on this, it is what it is.

2- I called him out on it and he proceeded to tunnel me for it. I've had this happen to me several times from his perspective. You get annoyed that you made a post crafted to seem innocuous and someone makes a big deal about it and you respond by tunneling. That's null in and of itself. Then Tina comes out of the blue with a soft defend on either vos or TG claiming I'm a terrible human. Yet, she has never called TG out for the same "rudeness" and TG has continued to harp on my misuse of the word "vote" instead of "fos" even after my cop claim, which is pointless. It reads like subtle team play to me.

 

The competing train on Err- yeah I don't like the reasons for it or the people on it. Am I even 80% sure TG is scum? No. But this game is super slow with posts and there aren't all that many good reads. We could fall back on Darthe, but I believe his Miller claim and think more of his reads and opinions than most people in the game, including myself.

 

I find no claim by TG suspicious though, especially when people are criticizing his competing train in-game. Err lives half a world away and he lurks, so I don't find his lack of response as suspicious, but TG has posted since being put at L-2

 

Your first point is a little better to help me see from your POV instead of just yelling "THIS DUDE IS SCUM!!" Anyway, so you feel it was a soft FOS even if he didn't state as much, fair enough. Your immediate reaction to it though made you look guilty. I disagree that he started to tunnel you afterwards. His vote was still on Theo and was only switched to you after it was pointed out that you were saying he was pushing to lynch the inactives, which didn't happen. Tina's opinion on what is rude or not isn't for you to dictate. Your comments towards Vos about him 'fumbling through the dark' or 'unable to find his way out of a paper bag with a map' and the 'I'll pat you on the head' did come off as condescending and I haven't seen anything from TG even remotely close to that.

 

I will say that I don't think TG is scum, nor am I willing to join his wagon unless it is solely to secure a lynch before DL. The reasoning behind the early votes on his train I don't find very compelling. Theo's is strange in that I really have no clue what she is alluding to. Xthrax's is explained, at least, but I think it's more a matter of his personal opinion in regards to TG's stance on lurkers, which isn't exactly the same as general busyness (which he talks about how some players can't post all the time). Err's vote is based on a blanket statement that is justified with zero backing evidence. I am also not a fan of how Despo joined the wagon and has recently posted how he'd rather see a Tina train although he was on her originally and swapped.

 

First bold: Funny how AJ basically responds on Tina's behalf, and rather defensively as well

 

Second bold: Moar soft defense of Tina- incidentally I said I would have rather had the wagon on Tina, but no one else was really with me at the time so I swapped to someone else.

 

Underlined isn't the first time AJ said Err's reasoning wasn't good, but just pointing it out so yall see I wasn't lying before about AJ being the one who said what Tina was referring to- even tho she acts like she doesn't remember.

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 11:39 PM, Xthrax said:

 

 

  Tglems said:

Xthrax, question for you.  If a player does not participate in the game by posting their thoughts, reads, etc, does that help town or hurt town?  Remember, town's job is to try and get as much info as possible about each player to make an informed decision.

 

 

True, if a player does not post thoughts or reads it does not that help town. Now a question to you TG. Consider a player who has been caught up in something. Suppose, he has signed up for a mafia game but has fallen sick and can't do anything for that matter. Or he's at work/school all day, and doesn't really get time to log on to DM and play? Would you consider him as hurting town? Take the case of Krak. He hasn't posted really anything other than just reporting in. May have been busy by a totally valid reason for him, by he really didn't hurt town now, did he? Since on Day 1 there's a much larger number of player as compared to Day 3 or 4, people can be allowed leeway on Day 1. 

 

Also if someone didn't really have anything good to say, they have the  right to remain silent. Would rather harry them out, thereby leading to not that a great decision which could  affect town OR let them be quiet, observeand then make a good decision for the benefit of town?

 

Posts like these helped me get a better read on X- basically I get a town read off of this post. What he is saying isn't true, but it helps support something I think X was guilty of a lot early on- he was constantly giving others the benefit of the doubt and seemed pretty quick to defend those who other people called out. This doesn't read to me like someone with a scum agenda, this looks more like a kind of reverse paranoia- instead of being wary of those others are wary of, he was more wary of the people that were fos'ing others.

 

Incidentally, you're wrong here Xthrax. Someone who is barely posting or not posting at all is hurting town because he is not contributing to the scumhunt, which every townie should do, and he's keeping others from being able to develop reads on him.

 

  On 1/28/2014 at 1:38 AM, Xthrax said:

I'd take that as a compliment. I'd like to go with incredibly reasonable person    . Nope no coaching. I wasn't actually aware that you can get coaches. I'll take a compliment however it is.

 

He also had a number of these type of posts- where he would either be or act like he was oblivious to certain things about mafia setup. Obviously newbscum will often play up how new they are, and are often even encouraged somewhat by their scumbuddies to do so. But overplaying it can obviously lead to others not buying the act, and I think if X was scum he would have had others telling him to not play it up too much.

 

All of which to say that him acting like he wouldn't know that the scumbuddies could help coach in their QT reads as more genuine to me.

 

  On 1/28/2014 at 11:31 AM, Xthrax said:

Krak is dead, damn. A night kill from mafia? Or in basic set ups such as this, would their be power roles that can kill someone?

 

Gonna read again too. Might be something that we missed.

 

Welcome Luciena!

 

Again, acts oblivious to the mafia NK. Just don't think if he was scum his teammates would have let him post something like this. There were other exampled from earlier in the game as well.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 10:56 AM, TinaHel said:

AJ - got a good feeling about him so far

 

Tina - town

 

Basel - a lot was going on yesterday but he choose to not comment on any of it. He was satisfied with his Theo vote, kept quiet, and then changed to Err, Today he has only voted Err and defended that vote, he still doesn´t comment on anything else

 

Darthe - claimed miller. Not sure what to say about him more than that. Not very active.

 

Luci - comes in, reads the thread and says that everyone is scum. Don´t like.

 

Vos - I have a problem with his hardcore defense of Err, Is just bandwagoning today. Golden is right that he tries to be friend with everyone. Says something - then take it back. Don´t know if that is because he is a new player. I haven´t played with him before. Scum?

 

X - null

 

Theo - don´t have much oppionion of her but I agree with her about Des

 

Err - has disappeared. I voted him yesterday because that was the best then. I really want him to play more. His death would indeed give us a lot of information. Especially about Vos and Des if he is scum.

 

Des - what is he doing? Started with a joke vote on Theo then voted Vos, then thought Vos answer looked genuine and voted Err. He changed to Theo without a reason (gives them in a post later), then he votes me and is now unsure about Vos, then vote TG, says he could vote Err again. He is disappointed that Darthe didn´t vote me but he has already unvoted me himself, In the end of the day he says that TGs defense is okay but that he doesn´t want to vote Err. Today he votes Err. What is he doing?

 

Golden - claim cop

 

 

To me it looks like we have a Vos + Err + Des team. Of course I can´t be right about it since it´s only day 2. I´m also suspicious of Basel and he doesn´t fit into that group.

 

I´ll join AJ for now.

 

Vote Des

 

Bolded - all instances of her giving town reads of known scum, or following along with their reasoning. I pointed out how I didn't like this vote when it happened, by the reasoning she gives Err should have definitely gotten her vote, seeing as how she was saying how informative of a lynch he'd be

 

Underlined - Literally everyone she names here in her fos group is town (obviously yall don't know me to be town yet, but the fact that AJ and Theo were both pushing my lynch early in the game should tell you something, and Err, Vos, and Basel have all flipped town).

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 7:31 PM, TinaHel said:

lol Who have you not voted/fos'd?

 

What do you mean with opportunistic? 

 

Yes, my reads are conflicted. As I said. 

 

This was in response to me calling out her vote and reads.

 

1. There were many at that time I hadn't voted/fos'd, and had even given town reads on.

2. I told her what I meant about her being opportunistic, she never responded

3. Admits to having conflicted reads

 

Screw it I'm chopping this badboy into two parts. Part 2 to follow.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 7:56 PM, Luciena said:

I don't think Basel is as scummy as you're trying to make him look though Des. In point of fact you hopping from one person to another without much explanation does not make you look good either have you thought of that?

 

One of the few pings I found from Luci on reread (obv since she replaced in and hasn't been that active there wouldn't be that many, still.

 

She says I'm trying to make Basel look real scummy.... that is completely absurd however since I never did so. Anyone is welcome to go back and look for examples of me "trying to make him look" scummy. It just didn't happen. This did look like an opportunistic fos.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:38 PM, Err said:

wait..... is this correct we have less then 24 hours to lynch??? 

 

vote Tina

 

This goes back to me wondering why I wasn't NK'ed the night Err was- this post right here could partially explain why. Err was saying Tina was his strongest scum read before he died, but hadn't cased her a ton necessarily. So silence him before he could perhaps.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 10:00 PM, TinaHel said:

Yes, again, Des. My reads are conflicted because I´m town, and town don´t know who is town and scum. I see that you move your vote from Err... again. 

 

Townies actually don't often have conflicted reads, this is a complete misrepresentation. Normally townies link their reads together somewhat, as in they'll see something scummy that someone proposed, and generally be suspicious of all who followed along with that. When townies DO have reads that seem to conflict somewhat, they'll often try to rationalize out why they seem conflicted about those. Tina's straight up conflicted and she never specified why, just tried acting like her having conflicted reads in the first place made her more likely to be town (Spoiler alert: it doesn't).

 

Also links me to Err, and we know how he flipped but up till this point the scummies were still trying to get Err lynched (AJ was the main one pushing it)

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 10:14 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 7:56 PM, Luciena said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:24 AM, Despothera said:

 

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 12:12 AM, Luciena said:

So far, everyone without fail looks scummy to me.

 

Last 3 times I've seen someone literally use a line like this in mafia game, they were scum

 

Last 3 times I used it I was vanilla, therefore your logic is nonexistent. 

 

I don't think Basel is as scummy as you're trying to make him look though Des. In point of fact you hopping from one person to another without much explanation does not make you look good either have you thought of that?

 

 

Self-meta defense, never a good thing IMO. What you have done as a certain alignment in previous games does not affect your role/alignment in this game. Being aware of your actions in such a manner and using them here in defense makes you look guilty.

 

That said I can sort of agree with her point against Des.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 9:20 PM, Despothera said:

Unvote, Vote Tina

 

I like Err's responses overall. Doesn't seem panicky, gets thoughts out about others. I also find that his other reads mirroring my own somewhat bodes well for him.

 

Tina otoh has had some opportunistic voting patterns, admitted to having conflicted reads, and is trying to paint me as scummy for being aggressive (voting/fos'ing multiple players), even tho she nudges the train on Err, saying a flip on him would be telling for me and Vos. Why not vote Err then?

 

Also not getting good meta pings from Tina. She seems more defensive than normal, and is asking less questions.

 

I'm having a seriously hard time reading you this game. Err does seem to be playing very smartly as I remember him doing in the WD game but this is another quick turn-around by you. I'm never actually played with a scum-Tina. Can you explain a little more on her meta?

 

In the first part- only time I saw AJ fos'ing Luci... but he also sheeps her reasoning on me. And yet, in the quote following after, says he is having a hard time reading me. I thought he just agreed with Luci against me? Also weird that he asks me for more info on Tina's meta- mebbe Tina was challenging what I was saying about her meta on the QT. Not much, but eh.

 

  On 1/30/2014 at 5:45 AM, Andrej said:

I was leaning town on Xthrax prior to doing a re-read but there are a few posts where he defends Theo as well and is also named as one of her town reads. His involvement in the TG lynch is kinda bad too.

 

Tina hasn't commented much on Theo in particular except for them both to call each other null reads. Her involvement early with GE and then later jumping onto the Err wagon does look sort of bad.

 

Despo I can't really decide on. His early vote doesn't seem like a distancing move because Theo wasn't in any real danger of getting lynched yet, but from what I know of his meta he will bus shamelessly. Not a big fan of his flip-flop on some of the later wagons and then his stance about GE's reveal. The reasons sound logical and townie enough, but good scum will often hide behind stuff like this to incriminate others. I also get the vibe that he wants to get this lynch over with quickly.

 

So in order I'd say I see Theo's possible teammates as Xthrax, Tina and then Despo.

 

This was the tail end of AJ's mega post "examining Theo's interactions". Bold semiclears X imo. Underlined is interesting, remember this for later (funny how he downplays any connection Tina might have with Theo). Italics clears me for yall imo.

 

Also remember those three names he gives for later on: X, Tina, and myself.

 

  On 1/30/2014 at 7:51 AM, TinaHel said:

This time I totally agree with Des. One of the listed possible roles is cult leader. I would argue that we should kill mafia right away as well but when we have possible cult it´s very important to lynch someone that our cop got a guilty view on. What could we gain by not lynching Theo? Discussion? Everything that Theo says will be WIFOM. Mafia/cult won´t slip now that everyone knows that Theo isn´t town anyway. 

 

Unvote. Vote Theo

 

Interesting here in that AJ was arguing that we should have looked for other mafia and waited to lynch Theo the next day or something. We know now he was just trying to help Theo stay alive a bit longer, but anyhoo Tina here agrees with me, yet never says anything to AJ directly or even brings him up, altho she id disagreeing with him right here on a major point. She also never defended herself from AJ's megapost, likely because she knew it was just for distancing.

 

  On 1/31/2014 at 4:37 AM, Andrej said:

My three would be X, Tina or Luci.

X and Tina for the things I pointed out in my post and Luci just to confirm that slot one way or the other. Going into D3 and her being the 2nd replacement we have basically nothing to go on.

 

Bold- this was when GE asked for others to say who they wanted him to view. Tina is in the middle on both lists, found that kinda funny. AJ also stated he didn't think there was a GF in the game, but Tina has still gone on about the possibility for a while. GE actually himself thought Tina's reaction to his vote yesterday could have been a GF reaction, and I now agree. If there is a GF in the game Tina is def a great candidate.

 

  On 1/31/2014 at 9:19 PM, TinaHel said:

I have been away the whole day. I will read up tomorrow. 

 

In my experience Tina posts a LOT of posts like these when she's mafia. I'm not saying she lies about rl stuff- she's just much more conscious of how she'll appear when she is maf, and thus her guilty conscience has her post stuff like this a lot to let everyone know she's still here.

 

  On 2/1/2014 at 3:02 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 2/1/2014 at 12:53 AM, Err said:

AJ i dont get how your scum list changes from X, Tina, Luci (post # 388) to just only me (post # 417).... both being consecutive posts by u???

 

I would like to know what u think about Tina????

As far as Tina goes I don't have much of a read on her. I don't find her scummy in particular and wasn't sure what exactly Despo saw D1 to make him so suspicious. I don't think she had the best reasons for joining the GE train early on but I can understand. GE was looking rather defensive/guilty with how he was handling the situation. Speaking of which, the fact that you neglected to really weigh in on the manner and then proceeded to place your vote elsewhere is kind of weird. You basically buddy to GE 'he'll be an asset if town' (which you might've known already) and then vote the opposing train to Theo. Anyway, I'm finding you most suspect atm so I like Tina's involvement on your wagon versus TG's. I also didn't see very many connections with her and Theo except for them both listing each other as null reads.

 

Whoa backtrack much? AJ twice put Tina's name on his scum list or "should be viewed" list, yet now he doesn't have much of a read on her? This was another of the more damning posts I found against Tina. AJ defends her pretty hard here, and again downplays her connection to Theo. Incidentally, Tina never calls AJ out for buddying, defending, or changing his stance on her.

 

This pretty much confirms her as the last mafia imo.

 

  On 2/1/2014 at 8:45 PM, TinaHel said:

I´m so sorry but I haven´t given this game enough attention. Too caught up in rl, Empys and new month in the BT. I appologize. I have only had time to re-read Theo´s posts and since she defended Err I read his posts as well. Err doesn´t look good at all but Golden wants us to look elsewhere. I don´t have the energy to do that today so I will do it tomorrow. 

 

From the last posts I think Luci stands out. She made a "everyone is scum" post after catching up. Very vague. She makes a list in the post on this side where she keeps pretty neutral as well. She never votes. So, without re-reading the other posts, she is one of my suspects.

 

Again, a "sorry I'm not playing that much" type post. Again, I'm not saying she isn't really busy atm, she most assuredly was and in general is a lot busier on DM lately, which is prob why she doesn't maf as much anymore. But yeah, point is she's a lot more conscious of how her activity looks when she's scum, and is more likely to apologize for said activity.

 

Also her going after Luci is likely her trying to pick low-hanging fruit.

 

  On 2/2/2014 at 6:27 AM, Xthrax said:

I agree with Andrej. Time we got the miller thing done.

Vote Darthe

 

Don't think scum!X would sheep a teammate so obviously, I think AJ would have coached him about that sort of thing.

 

  On 2/2/2014 at 3:38 PM, TinaHel said:

 

  On 2/2/2014 at 1:31 AM, GoldeneyesND said:

Luci and Tina, could we get some lists of reads from you?

 

I still haven´t re-read but from memory...

 

Theo defended Err and Vos. She thought AJ, X and Vos were town. She was suspicisous of Des, me and Darthe. Just going by this I think Err, Vos, AJ and X are suspects. I´m not sure if Theo is the type that defends her team mates or try to call them out. Since she is new I think she defended one or two and I think they are in that group. 

 

As I said in my last post I´m also suspicious of Luci. She has contributed very little. 

 

I understand that you don´t want to share the night info right away but it would be good with some help here. :)

 

I´m not interested in lynching Golden, Des or Darthe right now. 

 

Bold: I don't remember seeing Theo say she was suspicious of you, and I just did another reread, and moreover AJ said multiple times both you and Theo gave eachother as null reads. So yeahhhh misrep.

 

Underlined: Funny how Tina was fos'ing and suspecting me all game, then all of a sudden I do a big reread and say she doesn't seem as scummy, and then Tina says she no longer wishes to lynch me. LAWLZ SCUMSLIP!

 

Also funny how Tina says she still hasn't reread, but apparently remembers (or misremembers) a lot of stuff about what Theo said. Scumslipppppnslide. She also gives a strange sort of reads list considering it's the cop who's asking her.

 

  On 2/2/2014 at 6:57 PM, Luciena said:

However, Tina, you and Des are the ones that ping for me mostly.

 

You decide to point me out because:

1, I have not posted enough, may I please draw your attention that I only joined on day 2?

2, It took me a while to catch up and from what I read everyone was allover the place. Which I also stated.

3, Seems to me you took offence to me calling your posts flighty. I call it as I see it. You've been here since the beginning of the game and yet you seem to be floundering. 

 

This was Luci's response to Tina. I like that she points out that Tina is kinda going for low hanging fruit with the comment about how Luci hasn't said enough.

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 3:25 AM, Err said:

my scum list

 

1. Tina

2. Tina

3. Tina

 

Hehehe moar posts supporting why Err was NK'ed lol

 

  On 2/2/2014 at 5:35 AM, GoldeneyesND said:

 

  On 2/1/2014 at 1:03 PM, Despothera said:

Meh. This game kinda died.

Unvote, Vote Err

 

This doesn't sound like the town Despo we know and ...something

 

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 9:25 AM, GoldeneyesND said:

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 7:28 AM, Darthe said:

Bettin on Des being maf.  GE?

I actually have a  town read on Des atm. He doesn't hide as scum, he usually posts huge WoTs and tries to confuse people.

 

FYI I think GE viewed me the other night. The first post is the last one he had made about me until the 2nd one, and he was fos'ing me there. So I think this was him breadcrumbing his view.

 

Not trying to say this clears me as town, since obv we might have a GF. Just saying who I think he viewed based on any clues I found.

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 9:39 AM, TinaHel said:

Will have to read back later, need to go to work soon. Just want to point out that X was the one who followed AJ on Darthe yesterday.

 

Another "Sorry, I'm busy" post from Tina, but she still includes a little sideline snipe action on X.

 

Tina later follows with some big ol wot's on AJ's posts, but her final summary leaves a lot to be desired. Entirely too wishy washy on pretty much everything she says. Which is really odd considering how much apparent effort she went into in collecting all his posts.

[hazelkrs1]

TL, DR: AJ's posts are mostly what did Tina in. He defended her early to GE, talked about what linked Tina to Theo but then continuously downplayed said connection, and then later hard defended her even tho he had recently included her in his three suspects, without saying what had changed his mind since.

 

As for her posts, she went after a LOT of confirmed townies or myself throughout the game, and went against me till I said she didn't look as scummy then was all of a sudden not willing to lynch me (even tho she later fos'd me multiple times), admitted to having conflicted reads and tried to make it seem like that made her more townie, and had that utterly GFtastic post where she said GE wouldnt be voting her if he had viewed her since she "was town". Coupled with my meta read on her and her lame reasoning for most of her votes throughout the game and ladies and gentleman we have ourselves a scummer.

 

Sorry scum team, mebbe next time don't let your old pal Despo hang around till close to endgame

 

*drops mic*

[hazelkrs1]

Okay I'm calling it Tina is FROZEN

 

[hazelkrs1]

Tina is scum, I feel it. Vote with me fellow townies. Today has to be our day to lynch scum, else we end up in a megacrappy situation at endgame with a miller claim and a semi-active replacement player. likely left around if both are town.

[Luciena]

Lol des crack me up seriously. XD

[hazelkrs1]

Was bored so I gathered up the VC's before the reveals.
 

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:22 PM, Nolder said:

Votecount
Err - Basel, Darthe, Des (3)
Basel - Goldeneyes, Nervositee, Theo (3)
Des - Andrej, Tina (2)
 
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140130T12&p0=137

 
This is D2, before GE has revealed Theo as scum
 

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:38 PM, Err said:

wait..... is this correct we have less then 24 hours to lynch??? 
 
vote Tina

 
 

  On 1/29/2014 at 9:20 PM, Despothera said:

Unvote, Vote Tina
 
I like Err's responses overall. Doesn't seem panicky, gets thoughts out about others. I also find that his other reads mirroring my own somewhat bodes well for him.
 
Tina otoh has had some opportunistic voting patterns, admitted to having conflicted reads, and is trying to paint me as scummy for being aggressive (voting/fos'ing multiple players), even tho she nudges the train on Err, saying a flip on him would be telling for me and Vos. Why not vote Err then?
 
Also not getting good meta pings from Tina. She seems more defensive than normal, and is asking less questions.

 
 

  On 1/30/2014 at 12:12 AM, GoldeneyesND said:

That's a short deadline, so here's the guilty read I got last night:
 
unvote
Vote Theo
 
I wasn't too sure about Basel, he could be scum. It would make sense for Theo to jump on his train if she suspected he had been inspected, which is logical as I came into a new day period and voted him without explanation. Also, I enjoyed the list of reads from her we were gifted with. I'll post more in the morning so as not to tip off scum as to who I plan on investigating,

So here's the updated VC pre-reveal:

Votecount
Err - Basel, Darthe (2)
Basel - Goldeneyes, Nervositee, Theo (3)
Des - Andrej, Tina (2)
Tina - Err, Des (2)
 
So... Xanthrax and Kronos' votes aren't on here. Anyways, of the two days after GE revealed he was the cop, I think scum were MUCH more likely to play their hand out a bit D2, when GE hadn't executed a gambit on them yet (he left them thinking a good majority of the day that he didn't get a guilty). Ergo I can EASILY see both scum pairing up and trying to get me lynched instead of spreading their votes around. Darthe also feels townie to me btw, altho lazy townie, and I know I'm town, so the only one left that's voting is Tina.
 

  On 2/2/2014 at 5:58 AM, Nolder said:

Votecount
Err - Des (1) 
Darthe - Andrej (1)

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: Sunday 10PM PST

Okay this was before the D3 outing of AJ.
 
 

  On 2/2/2014 at 6:27 AM, Xthrax said:

I agree with Andrej. Time we got the miller thing done.
Vote Darthe

 
 

  On 2/2/2014 at 3:38 PM, TinaHel said:

 

  On 2/2/2014 at 1:31 AM, GoldeneyesND said:

Luci and Tina, could we get some lists of reads from you?

 
I still haven´t re-read but from memory...
 
Theo defended Err and Vos. She thought AJ, X and Vos were town. She was suspicisous of Des, me and Darthe. Just going by this I think Err, Vos, AJ and X are suspects. I´m not sure if Theo is the type that defends her team mates or try to call them out. Since she is new I think she defended one or two and I think they are in that group. 
 
As I said in my last post I´m also suspicious of Luci. She has contributed very little. 
 
I understand that you don´t want to share the night info right away but it would be good with some help here. :)
 
I´m not interested in lynching Golden, Des or Darthe right now. 
 
Have I forgotten anyone?
 
Vote Luci

 

 
 

  On 2/2/2014 at 4:07 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

OK it's around 12 hours left, but it's SuperBowl sunday for me and I likely won't be on til evening. Theo grouped 3 players together in her reads. I figured she was hiding a teammate in there, so I investigated the one I had a hunch about. Confirmed guilty result
 
Vote AJ
 
I suggest everyone iso him to come up with more ideas for his partners.

So the updated VC pre-reveal:

Votecount
Err - Des (1) 
Darthe - Andrej, Xanthrax (2)
Luci - Tina (1)

 

This time Luci isn't voting... and Vos and GE too...think that's it. Like I mentioned before, scum was much more likely to play bold and out in the open D2, thinking they were fine. D3 they would be much more careful, not wanting to connect eachother. So I don't think they would vote together, if they did vote. Imo I'm honestly pretty much clear from the way AJ pursued my lynch the day before and the way Theo fos'd me a good bit before she was revealed. So the only other vote there besides mine that didn't follow a train AJ was on is Tina. Really doesn't look good for her at all. Scum would still have to worry about looking too overcautious too, and not voting at all, so Tina's vote on low-hanging fruit starts to look even scummier, cause it's a vote she doesn't have to work hard to justify. Way too lazy imo.

 

Incidentally, AJ pushing Darthe as the "well, time to lynch the Miller!" thing if he really believed GE viewed Vos before sorta clears Darthe more in my mind.

[Niniel]

I´m not frozen but I am freezing. :D

 

Let´s see if I can answer some of that. Des - I´m town and I think you are making the mistake of reading too much into my posts. Being wrong is not the same as being scum. A lot of what you look at has to do with day 1 when we didn´t have much information. I´ve changed my reads many times since then. 

 

First  - I don´t like your comment about bad sportsmanship. I did not comment on what Basel said in his post (that Kronos should take care of himself) but what he didn´t say in a long time. He obviously followed along but didn´t comment on all the things that were going on. It feels really weird that you try to make this into something negative. 

 

Second - it sounds like you know how I play, when in fact you don´t know. "Whoever said it" means that I have a bad memory. Me appologizing for not playing more = ehm... appologizing for not playing more. We have played many games together and you should know both of this. If you don´t do then don´t make up this kind of stuff. 

 

Third - again: having conflicted reads on day 1 is not strange. Nor is it scummy.

 

Fourth - AJ did defend me a  lot. Can´t change that and can´t defend it.

 

Fifth - it´s funny that you choose to see my vote on Theo as something scummy. You also think it´s scummy that I changed my mind about you. 

 

Sixth - I don´t know why you are calling Luci low hanging fruit. 

 

 

I will pick up from yesterday.

 

Vote Luci

 

I did not like her vote on Darthe that came without a reason. She is obviously here and reading but don´t post anything more game related that that. For the record - I really don´t like the way Darthe voted Luci either and I´m annoyed that he doesn´t want to contribute at all. But both AJ and Theo were suspicious of him and that is why I´m choosing Luci. 

[Nolder]

Votecount

Luci - Darthe, Tina (2)

Darthe - Luci (1)

Tina - Des (1)

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. 

 

Deadline: Thursday 10PM PST

I'd like to wrap this game up before the weekend, I will be imposing deadlines with that goal in mind.

 

 

Deadline is tonight guys

[Luciena]

  On 2/6/2014 at 7:48 AM, TinaHel said:

I really don´t like those two votes. I´m at work now but I will be back later this afternoon. 

Meh I thought I'd copy his greatness Mister Darthe since he voted me for no reason, I voted him. That said however, it was only meant as a joke on my part. He is the miller though... Is that good or bad? If he lives does he win somehow on his own?

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 2:36 PM, Despothera said:

Tina is scum, I feel it. Vote with me fellow townies. Today has to be our day to lynch scum, else we end up in a megacrappy situation at endgame with a miller claim and a semi-active replacement player. likely left around if both are town.

I know, I've felt that  for a while now about Tina, and have said so. Repeatedly I might add. 

 

  On 2/6/2014 at 7:26 PM, TinaHel said:

I´m not frozen but I am freezing. :D

 

Let´s see if I can answer some of that. Des - I´m town and I think you are making the mistake of reading too much into my posts. Being wrong is not the same as being scum. A lot of what you look at has to do with day 1 when we didn´t have much information. I´ve changed my reads many times since then. 

 

First  - I don´t like your comment about bad sportsmanship. I did not comment on what Basel said in his post (that Kronos should take care of himself) but what he didn´t say in a long time. He obviously followed along but didn´t comment on all the things that were going on. It feels really weird that you try to make this into something negative. 

 

Second - it sounds like you know how I play, when in fact you don´t know. "Whoever said it" means that I have a bad memory. Me appologizing for not playing more = ehm... appologizing for not playing more. We have played many games together and you should know both of this. If you don´t do then don´t make up this kind of stuff. 

 

Third - again: having conflicted reads on day 1 is not strange. Nor is it scummy.

 

Fourth - AJ did defend me a  lot. Can´t change that and can´t defend it.

 

Fifth - it´s funny that you choose to see my vote on Theo as something scummy. You also think it´s scummy that I changed my mind about you. 

 

Sixth - I don´t know why you are calling Luci low hanging fruit. 

 

 

I will pick up from yesterday.

 

Vote Luci

 

I did not like her vote on Darthe that came without a reason. She is obviously here and reading but don´t post anything more game related that that. For the record - I really don´t like the way Darthe voted Luci either and I´m annoyed that he doesn´t want to contribute at all. But both AJ and Theo were suspicious of him and that is why I´m choosing Luci. 

 

Blue: I feel your pain  Storms over here we are drowning. :(

 

Pink: It sounds reasonable for you to say you can't change the fact that AJ defended you. However it still doesn't make you look very good either. I did call your posts flighty, I don't get an active read from them. Coupled with AJ's defending you... Tina, no look good. 

 

Orange: I can assure you I'm rather perky

 

 

I explained myself on the Darthe vote, I very rarely get time to log in while at work, I had a free period so I decided to have a look see what was going on. I saw Dessy's post about the call to arms so to speak it made me laugh. So thought I'd let him know he made me laugh toda. :D

 

Unvote

 

Vote Tina

[Luciena]

Today* even

[Niniel]

We are five players left, it´s day 5 and you decide to make a joke vote?