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Here are some of AJ´s posts:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 2:22 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 1:58 AM, nervositee said:

AJ is either scum trying too hard to look like a "good, active scum-hunter", jumping at every straw he sees, turning every rock just to gain some initial town-cred now before he has to start being careful who he buddies and who he distances himself from

 

Or he is just being a good townie. 

 

All others: Null so far

Again, except Golden who is scum because lawyer. 

 

So... null then? You are essentially saying I could be one or the other. Wishy-washy statements like this don't sit very well for me, nor does your early town-read on me and TG for poor reasons and the subsequent backtracking of said read.

 

unvote; vote Vos

 

Also, that's the 2nd time you have made this sort of comment about GE. I'm assuming it's a joke, but I don't understand why you are bringing it up.

 

 

First he vote Vos because he comment on AJ without taking a stand. 

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:47 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 9:31 AM, nervositee said:

1. Hmm? 

2. Yes. It was an ambiguous statement, because the way you're playing can strike both ways. I still mentioned it, not to claim you were this or that, but to offer my observation, for now but also for the future when we have more to go on. The whole point is to allow wiggle-room, because this early in the game we don't know anything. So more than anything, town should be über-flexible early game when things switch up fast. Taking a "hard stance" on page 4 seems more scummy to me than to observe and leave all options open. 

3. You are still jumping me from making jokey comments and then—when pointed out they seemed to intertwined with the hame—retracting/explaining them. It still strikes me as rash. Not scum-rash though. But still rash  :rolleyes:

 

If it helps, I'll offer my "hard stance" opinion: AJ = Town. While I think that he is being overly active and grasping at straws I think he has done a good job of getting the game started, getting people to actually participate and do some active scumhunt. I know what I am, so his hunt for me seems either misdirected or scummy, but looking objectively at it I can see it. I think if you were scum you'd keep your head down a bit more, and especially not be the vocal forerunner of a mislynch D1.

 

 

1. Hm? I was saying your joke on GE wasn't something that I found suspicious and therefore wasn't relevant to why I was voting you.

2. Okay, so reading this I think it was more a matter of how you said it that tipped me off. I can agree with you on the flexibility thing early on. By hard stance I'm saying that generally I feel it's okay to say that you think/feel someone is a certain alignment if you can support it.

3. I'm not sure what you're trying to express here.

 

I like your response here, pretty level-headed and I think you explained yourself well in regards to why I was suspicious. I don't necessarily feel you need to provide yourself wiggle room as town, but people have different ways of playing/interpreting this game.

 

unvote

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 3:54 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 4:47 AM, Err said:

k lets get the dynamics of the games figured out.....


with 13 players..... i think one godfather, 2 mafias, doc, inspector, miller (?).... for a basic game can there be more non-vanilla roles?

yes i agree we might end up testing Darths claim by lynching him at some stage in the game.... but we could leave it for day 2 or 3.... there are 13 players alive so i dont think its a desperate situation to test his claim today


This whole thing deserves a vote. It reads as way too in the know, like the player wanted to say something townite but didn't quite know how to so he gave up some info about his team.

unvote vote Err

 

Are you saying that him mentioning a GF is a slip? I didn't really see it that way.

 

 

It didn´t go very long before he unvoted him. Is this some kind of distancing between AJ and Vos?

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 12:20 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 11:10 PM, Basel Gill said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:57 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 5:34 PM, Basel Gill said:

Vote Thea. If you think that someone is posting conflicting conclusions, being a mess and unhelpful, then why aren't you voting that person? That counts as a scumtell in my book, and I'm finding it really weird that it doesn't ping for you.

 
Bolded: Are you saying that you agree with Theo's opinion regarding Vos but are voting her for not voting him although she pointed it out?

 


Both of you seem to be making the same misread of what I said. FOSing a person without voting them is one thing... FOSing them and then calling them town is something else. If she had given the list of stuff that she had issues with Vos about, and then said it pinged her or made her think he was scum but not voted, then I would feel that she wanted to hear a reply from him. Or maybe she wanted to hear what other people thought of her idea. Maybe she just wanted more data; there's nothing wrong in my book with simply wanting more info on someone. Instead she gave reasons why Vos was acting scummy, and then said she felt he was town.

 

 

That's the thing though, she didn't say Vos was scummy. She said his posts seem disorganized and all over the place (I'm paraphrasing) and not helpful. So either you are misinterpreting or misconstruing here purposefully.

 

Back to the first nested quote of mine, I don't think you really answered my question. Reading your reasonings as you voted Theo it looks like you are viewing her commentary on Vos as a scum-tell for his posts. But then you vote Theo for not finding it suspect? I don't understand this process. If you think Vos is exhibiting what you consider scummy behavior why wouldn't you vote him over Theo?

 

 

Went after Basel next.

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 7:51 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 12:31 PM, TinaHel said:

The funny thing about Theo is that she did the same thing as Vos. Pointing out he is going in two directions while she is doing the same. I didn´t understand the initial pressure on Vos. Maybe it was because there was not much to comment on? I don´t know what to make of Theo´s comment. I kind of agree with Basel that it looked like she said that Vos was scummy but still got a town read on him. Maybe she just didn´t explain herself very good? Still weird that she hasn´t voted yet. 

 

Err´s mentioning of a GF could be something. I will keep it in mind. Not a reason for a vote yet. 

 

I´m a bit suspicious of Des. His initial case on Vos was bad. As I said, maybe it was just a way of trying to start the game by joining AJ. Then he thinks Vos´s answer looked genuine and unvoted him. But later he says that TG and Vos looks scummier than Golden. Do you think Vos is scummy or not? 

 

Which brings me to Golden. I see that I will have a problem with, what you call, aggressive style. I would rather call it rude style. I totally agree with Darthe´s vote on Golden. I´m trying to see if my dislike of his play style is colouring my thoughts about him but I don´t think I agree with anything he has said so far. 

 

Vote Golden

 

RE Theo: I agree that it's a little weird that she was holding her vote for so long, but she explained she doesn't like throwing around a ton of votes on D1. I honestly didn't see anything necessarily scummy in regards to what she said about Vos. To me I read it as saying that he just looks like confused town, I didn't get the feel that she found him suspicious. The only thing that really stood out to me in that post was her mentioning of her joke vote on Despo and how she didn't bold it because it was too early. I don't understand the need to explain your joke vote.

 

RE Err: Maybe. I don't there's really much though, Xthrax made a good point about how it was listed in the possible roles so perhaps that's what influenced him. Mention some other roles as well (survivor/sk) in my response to Err but nobody seems to care about that in particular.

 

RE Des: Me too, although for not the same reasons. I didn't mind his vote on Vos so much, but the change to Err for reasoning I can't follow and then the sudden switch to Theo sort of bothers me. He seems to be holding back a bit this game. I wouldn't say that makes him scum on its own, but it is something that makes me a little wary. Meta changes are dangerous.

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 3:21 PM, TGlems said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 10:19 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

Tglems - I understand your position on lurking, but don't agree with lynching quiet types - not saying much is legit play style - also - in a game like this (where several have not posted much), how do you decide who to go after

 

Not speaking often but having solid posts when you do is a legit play style, kinda like your first post that had a list of reads.  Lurking is a "legit" playstyle that is absolutely unhelpful to town in any way, shape, or form.  Lurking is anti-town nomatter how you slice it, and I love lynching lurkers.

 

I agree more with TG here. Lurking/fluff posting isn't very helpful for adding to the collective pool of information in the game. Even the smallest of contributions can help, plus it will make it easier for the other players discern which alignment you are.

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 7:11 PM, Despothera said:

Tina looks mega scummy right now. Her vote on GE WAS terrible, it looked more pike she was trying to say she was voting him because she didn't like his playstyle. Then when she gets called out for it, she tries to retroactively justify her vote better by quoting a bunch of others fos'ing GE. That just looks terrible. I think she's trying to defend a teammate in Theo.

Don't really like how Theo's holding up under pressure. Getting defensive and omgusy. Calls me out for trying to get an easy lynch... riiiight. It was obvious that I was trying to consolidate on someone to get the voting activity up again.

Speaking of which, I still think Err looks scummy. Its not for the GF thing either- I didn't like that he was bandwagoning TG's reasoning about inactives, and I find his "scumhunting" attempts to be a lot poorer than I remember from his other game where he was town. But I'm not gonna let my vote waste away on someone no one else is looking at atm.

I really liked Xthrax's most recent post. Seems well thought out and trying to remain objective.

 

I don't think Tina looks scummy. She hasn't posted much but the way she is sort of latching onto GE reminds me of a few past games I've played with her. I do think perhaps GE's posting style might be influencing her a bit, but I can be sympathetic to that. GE is being very abrasive this game. He's lashing out at any of those who question/vote him. He is name-calling and not disproving any of the points really, just throwing out buzzwords. Vos had a good point for voting him originally. TG didn't vote or even make commentary when he posted the post-counter earlier, but GE was in it. GE immediately went on the attack for it. Not that Tina has joined the wagon he immediately turns around and votes her for it. Gives me the feel of a trapped animal or something.

 

In comparison to GE, I think Theo has held up reasonably well. How is her OMGUS voting TG any different than GE's OMGUS voting of Tina? Also, you say that it was obvious you were consolidating to generate voting activity. Why would that be obvious? You said nothing in the post besides the vote switch. You're assuming that other players are going to pick up on your thoughts without expressing them, so Theo saying you went for the easy vote is a legit statement. I sort of agree with her.

 

Can you quote the post you're talking about with Err? I don't remember seeing him agree with TG.

 

I liked X's post as well, good townie vibe from him so far. Not sure about the vote for TG though.

 

 

Defended Theo and Err and agreed with me about Des. Says Des plays different, holding back. 

 

Defends TG and me. Townie vibe on X.

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 9:41 PM, Andrej said:

Alright, so double-tabbing here so I can link you to the posts I am talking about as I read them. Technology :happy:

 

I'll start with GE and then do Theo afterwards.

 

Here is where GE went after TG for quoting the post count. He says that he has never seen this strategy used by town players. This feels like an assumption on his part because TG didn't provide commentary on the quote at all, he just posted it. It's strange that he got in such an uproar about it IMO, more so because he was listed in the quote. Also, the pre-emptive 'incoming OMGUS post' looks like he is throwing suspicion towards TG without seeing what he had to say in response first. I can agree with his statement regarding Basel's vote on Theo. I questioned him a bit on it myself. This post feels a little overdone. I didn't find anything particularly reactive in TG's response. I think Nerv makes a few good points here. What he says about scum active-lurking D1 is valid if not also 100% true. I also agree on his comment on GE's reaction compared to TG's. GE has a point by saying that scum could use a post-counter to incriminate low-posting town players, but the question to ask here is what previously would give him a scum vibe on TG? Again, TG never pointed a finger at those with low posts. GE's 3rd point is sort of belittling and a soft meta-defense of himself. Here GE says his vote on TG is a policy-vote for FOS'ing inactives, which didn't happen. This looks like a misrep and again a guilty reaction since his name was on the list. In this post he turns around and votes Tina after she joins his wagon. I can agree that Tina didn't necessarily clarify what she agreed with about Darthe's stance on GE, but I don't see anything in her post where she admits her vote was weak. Here he is speaking to Vos about his vote. What was weak about his reasoning? Vos voted you for the reaction you gave to TG's post. Again, I don't see anywhere that TG is using the inactivity angle to FOS or vote anyone. He has said he doesn't like lurkers, which I agree with, but he hasn't cased someone or pushed for any lynches because of it. He is voting Theo for his own reasons which doesn't include her post count. I don't really understand what he is getting at here talking about Vos being a good D1 fallback lynch. Who would you put into this category? I haven't seen many people mentioning they would be okay to lynch Vos, iirc several have stated they don't see the big deal about him.

 

Okay, so onto Theo.

 

So her OP's here and here come across pretty relaxed. The tongue-in-cheek OMGUS joke vote on Despo is sort of amusing. Here she adds a little commentary on the miller claim. Reads as basically a summation of the inherent WIFOM for that role's utility. Not really sure what the point of the 'Save Darthe Club' comment is though. This is where I mentioned earlier about her commentary in regards to her RVS on Despo. I don't really get why she felt the need to explain it. If it was meant as a joke vote than it shouldn't really need to be explained. Next is the commentary on Vos that she has been catching heat for. I didn't see anything necessarily scummy about it and still don't. To me it looks like she is saying that he appears confused and therefore not helpful, but more likely newbtown than scum. I think a lot of the misunderstanding stems from her sentence structure. I admit that some things she says come across a little awkwardly, but I think that can be chalked up to language barriers. Correct me if I'm wrong Theo, but English isn't your first language? Her response to TG is pretty good IMO. She clarifies her statement on Vos and points out Basel's vote, which I found sort of fishy as well. Lastly, her vote on TG. I'm not really following her on this one though. Could you clarify a bit more Theo?

 

Okay, so out of these two I'd lean for lynching GE. True, his playstyle is typically sort of loud and borderline obnoxious. Aggressiveness isn't a scumtell IMO, but I don't find him aggressively hunting scum if that makes sense. His responses come across more as abrasive and reactionary where he is lashing out and belittling others.

 

vote Golden

 

Compares Theo and Golden and votes Golden. 

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 6:15 AM, Andrej said:

Alright, so this'll be my last post of the night. Gotta hit the rack soon, big day tomorrow! :biggrin:

 

Hopefully my activity won't drop too much, I think this first week should be pretty chill. I guess we'll see.

 

unvote; vote Darthe

 

@Des - Why are you voting TG now over Tina?

 

I don't personally like the TG lynch idea. I don't find him scummy and a lot of the votes on him I don't understand. I have no idea what Theo was saying in her post (name-calling, fake scum hunting?), Xthrax is voting on a false premise (from what I gather he's voting TG for his stance on inactive players although TG hasn't pushed this stance to lynch/FOS anyone) and Err just says that TG is 'scummy' without bringing up anything specific.

 

Less than 20 hours to the DL, but I would really hate to pile up on a player I don't think is scum just for consolidation. Darthe is the safer option, obviously, but I could go for a lynch on Err too.

 

1. His potential set-up slip with the Godfather mention that he didn't really refute at all.

2. His vote on TG for basically nothing but a blanket statement. "He's scummy."

 

I'll be home and able to post again sometime in the early afternoon tomorrow but probably not anytime before noon, so I will change my vote if need be. I'd like some input from other players about who they think would be a good lynch.

 

This is after Golden´s reveal. He doesn´t want to vote TG so he choose to vote Darthe instead. I think this makes it clear that Darthe is not mafia. (Theo was also suspicious of Darthe.) 

 

  On 1/27/2014 at 5:50 PM, Andrej said:

Between classes right now. I think I'm gonna like college :smile:

Less than 12 hours to DL and it seems nobody is going to join me on Darthe.

unvote; vote Err

 

And he moves on to Err. This seems to clear Err as well. If Err was scum then why not vote TG for consolidation right away?

 

  On 1/28/2014 at 1:05 AM, Andrej said:

unvote; vote TG

 

I disagree with the No Lynch idea. We are basically going to start where we left off on D2 if we don't find some kind of resolution here. The best way is to get a result on one of the wagons so we have a no-BS alignment to work off of to analyze the wagon with. TG has claimed VT and Err hasn't posted (which is likely a timezone issue) so I think this is the safer route although I disagree with it.

 

We've got 1 hour.

 

And votes TG in the end. 

 

  On 1/28/2014 at 4:20 PM, Andrej said:

vote Des

 

This is in the beginning of Day 2. Voting Des.

 

  On 1/28/2014 at 5:09 PM, Andrej said:

I don't have a lot of time atm cause I have to leave for school in about 5 minutes.

 

I think some pressure will be well served on Des today. He feels like he's holding back this game and I don't like the flip-flop on Err from fear-mongering the lynch yesterday to suddenly being good with it again today.

 

Beyond that I would be happy with an Err or Basel wagon also.

 

Here he gave his reason. I´m not sure if he is willing to lynch Des or if this is a try to distance. (Just like with Vos on day 1.)

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 2:12 AM, Andrej said:

Not likely.

Pretty sure GE already cleared Vos as town anyway and no one has CC'd. You think this game is cop-less with your Miller role? I doubt that. Would mean either you were lying or Nol is a meanie head and tossing out utility roles to confuse.

 

Here he thinks GE cleared Vos as town. That means Vos is town or GF. 

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 4:51 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/28/2014 at 11:46 PM, Basel Gill said:

A. Your defense of Err is noted and filed away for safe-keeping.

2. I can't speak for everyone else. But I can speak for myself. I already noted (and you quoted it, in fact) that Err was engaging in setup talk. That's usually something that scum do. Divert town's attention away from scumhunting by getting them to discuss how the mod might have designed the game. Furthermore, I was voting Err at the end of the day, and I still think he is scum. Enough other people were voting him at the end of the day that it seems evident he will be a lynch that is not only helpful to town, but lynching him is actually something with a good chance of actually happening. (As opposed to placing my vote on an outlier, which does absolutely nothing to help town because it doesn't actually contribute to a lynch.) So why shouldn't I pick up where I left off?

 

I disagree with the portion about set-up spec being a scum maneuver. I think about set-ups all the time whenever I play a game, regardless of my actual alignment. While it could be a tactic to divert town's attention, it doesn't always make it so. Calling set-up spec scummy in and of itself is somewhat policy-vote material and an easy thing for actual scum to hide behind when casting votes. The issue wasn't that he was speculating the potential roles available in general, it was that he specifically named a role that couldn't be proven which would indicate more insight on his part.

 

 

Argues with Basel about Errr. 

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Hm... got too many quotes. I´m not sure how this will look. Had to copy a part of my last post to a word doc. 

 

 
  On 1/29/2014 at 10:14 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 12:01 PM, Basel Gill said:

Tina: I already noted that Err was mentioning the GF role in my earlier posts, the one Vos quoted. I chose not to respond to any of the stuff that you say I ignored on D1 BECAUSE IT WAS D1. A lot was going on with no info at the time. Now that we know TG was townie, I'm planning on looking more closely at the people on his lynch.

 

To the bolded, explain how you feel this is beneficial plz.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 5:40 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

 


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But I think starting his train 10 minutes into D2, on the above reason alone is more scummy than guessing at the set-up. 

This is actually a very good point imo.  Response?

 

 

I screwed the quotes up, but I liked these back-to-back posts from Vos & GE.

 

I'm leaning very much town on Vos.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 7:56 PM, Luciena said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:23 AM, Despothera said:

That right there, Luci, does nothing to assuage the suspicions befallen to your slot.

 

It's a common scum move to go "I dunno, EVERYONE looks scummy to me right now! #overwhelmedlolzors"

 

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:24 AM, Despothera said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:22 AM, Basel Gill said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 12:12 AM, Luciena said:

So far, everyone without fail looks scummy to me.


You're a natural to this game.

 

 

Last 3 times I've seen someone literally use a line like this in mafia game, they were scum

 

Last 3 times I used it I was vanilla, therefore your logic is nonexistent. 

 

I don't think Basel is as scummy as you're trying to make him look though Des. In point of fact you hopping from one person to another without much explanation does not make you look good either have you thought of that?

 

 

Self-meta defense, never a good thing IMO. What you have done as a certain alignment in previous games does not affect your role/alignment in this game. Being aware of your actions in such a manner and using them here in defense makes you look guilty.

 

That said I can sort of agree with her point against Des.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:12 PM, Err said:

as i said before.... i thought Golden could be helpful if a towny.... because when tunneling other people (scum or town) we get information and results.

 

some may think that the whole Golden and Vos standoff was pointless in D1 but i think because of it i m leaning towny on Vos now.

 

If i were a mafia, i would try to lynch people who were really trying to scum hunt in the beginning of the game.... Andrej is a good candidate for it.... during the whole Golden, Vos and even Tgelms cross fire... Andrej was defending Vos and Tgelms and trying to discredit only and only Golden

 

I'd like you to explain the bolded a little better. You're saying that I am attempting to target players who are scum hunting? Your last bit kind of rubs me the wrong way too. I don't like how you're using my interactions with a (now)confirmed townie to try and make me look bad. At the time GE looked very bad for his interactions regarding the post-counter thing. I think I pointed out very clearly and logically that what he was saying wasn't true, and therefore his case on TG was false and made-up. He later explained that he felt the post-counter was a soft FOS although TG never stated as much or tried to use it as a reason to vote. I think if he had done this originally instead of immediately proclaiming that TG was scum and trying to lynch lurkers the entire situation might have gone differently. That said, his wagon up to the point of claiming is a good one to analyze.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:25 PM, Err said:

now with 11 players remaining.... again assuming (3vs8 or 2vs1vs8)..... if we go for Darthe lynch we will end up with (3vs6, 2vs1vs6) or (2vs7,1vs1vs7)...

 

that makes townys a little powerful since 4 consecutive towny deaths would still make them not loose.... so i am thinking darthe might be actually a miller

 

Your numbers are off in the bolded. With 13 players to start you can typically expect a scum team of 3, that should be more or less standard to the ~25% rule for basic games. So as of right now the numbers should look like 3v8 or 3v7v1 to allow a 3rd party member. If we lynch Darthe and he flips town, we would be 3v7 or 3v6v1 going into N2. At the start of D3, considering the scum team have a successful NK it would be 3v6 (if they hit 3rd party or if there is no actual 3rd party) or 3v5v1.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 9:20 PM, Despothera said:

Unvote, Vote Tina

 

I like Err's responses overall. Doesn't seem panicky, gets thoughts out about others. I also find that his other reads mirroring my own somewhat bodes well for him.

 

Tina otoh has had some opportunistic voting patterns, admitted to having conflicted reads, and is trying to paint me as scummy for being aggressive (voting/fos'ing multiple players), even tho she nudges the train on Err, saying a flip on him would be telling for me and Vos. Why not vote Err then?

 

Also not getting good meta pings from Tina. She seems more defensive than normal, and is asking less questions.

 

I'm having a seriously hard time reading you this game. Err does seem to be playing very smartly as I remember him doing in the WD game but this is another quick turn-around by you. I'm never actually played with a scum-Tina. Can you explain a little more on her meta?

 

 

Thinks Vos is town. Agrees with Theo about her points about Des. Then he says he has a hard time reading Des but still asks him about my meta. 

 

  On 1/30/2014 at 1:50 AM, Andrej said:

Lol your reaction is kind of amusing. That was meant to be a joke, but the point remains. Theo is already pegged, speed lynching her isn't going to yield any real info because now her partners can just bus away. She isn't going anywhere and I doubt she's going to post anymore. We are better off reaching majority on someone else we can agree is a likely partner.

Fwiw I would scratch you off the suspect list based on your interactions with her D1. It doesn't feel like bussing when you could've simply left her alone.

 

Hm... forgot who he was talking to here. It was his try to stall the lynch on Theo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Andrej, on 30 Jan 2014 - 06:45 AM, said:

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In retrospect I look pretty bad here. I defended Theo early on against some votes that I found opportunistic and not really adding up (Basel). I should've been tipped off by how Theo never commented on my defense and instead continued to list me as a town read.

 

I was leaning town on Xthrax prior to doing a re-read but there are a few posts where he defends Theo as well and is also named as one of her town reads. His involvement in the TG lynch is kinda bad too.

 

Tina hasn't commented much on Theo in particular except for them both to call each other null reads. Her involvement early with GE and then later jumping onto the Err wagon does look sort of bad.

 

I think Basel is relatively cleared from being one of her partners based on the D1 interactions, although I still think he's played a scummy game. I don't get the distancing vibes although at the time I was pretty suspect of his vote and reasoning.

 

Despo I can't really decide on. His early vote doesn't seem like a distancing move because Theo wasn't in any real danger of getting lynched yet, but from what I know of his meta he will bus shamelessly. Not a big fan of his flip-flop on some of the later wagons and then his stance about GE's reveal. The reasons sound logical and townie enough, but good scum will often hide behind stuff like this to incriminate others. I also get the vibe that he wants to get this lynch over with quickly.

 

So in order I'd say I see Theo's possible teammates as Xthrax, Tina and then Despo.

 

Now he thinks Theo´s teammates are X, me and Des. Suddenly Des is the last one. 

 

Andrej, on 31 Jan 2014 - 05:37 AM, said:

My three would be X, Tina or Luci.

X and Tina for the things I pointed out in my post and Luci just to confirm that slot one way or the other. Going into D3 and her being the 2nd replacement we have basically nothing to go on.

 

Here he suggests that Golden should view X me or Luci. Not Des... 

 

Andrej, on 31 Jan 2014 - 6:55 PM, said:

@GE - I don't personally think there will be one. GF is a particularly strong scum role and having a miller likely suggests a weakened scum team. Plus having multiple utility roles in the same game could be sort of damaging depending on how it played out. GF essentially guarantees end-game for scum and miller is a free mislynch in generic terms based on cop viewings alone.

I liked Despo's point on Err regarding his vote on TG. I didn't like it then and now seeing Theo flip as scum it looks worse considering she was one of the counter wagons. Sorta ticked I missed that on my read through looking for connections 
:tongue:

I think it might be time to start considering lynching the miller. GE if you cleared someone last night that'll narrow down the pool of suspects today we should lynch from. Your GF question makes me assume you got a good result on someone.

vote Err

 

Votes Err right away on day 3. 

 

Andrej, on 01 Feb 2014 - 04:02 AM, said:

 

Err, on 01 Feb 2014 - 01:53 AM, said:

AJ i dont get how your scum list changes from X, Tina, Luci (post # 388) to just only me (post # 417).... both being consecutive posts by u???

 

I would like to know what u think about Tina????

 

X, Tina and Luci were a list that I offered to GE because he asked. It is true that my posts were consecutive, but by looking at the post numbers you can see that there was substantial activity between them. I listed X and Tina for the connections that I saw when summarizing Theo's posts. Luci was listed because that slot has been replaced twice and I have no read on her currently. I found it better for GE to just view that slot and verify it one way or the other since it's getting towards the later part of the game. I don't see how you are assuming that my scum list is only you at this point. Yes, I am voting you and part of that reason is because of the connection that Despo pointed out that I missed earlier on my re-read. Looking back at how everything developed I think your vote on TG was to protect Theo, plain and simple. You didn't give any example as to how he was 'scummy' which I find highly suspect. Now that we know he was town and Theo is scum, could you clarify this for me? I have looked at the others on TG's train that are still alive atm and I find your participation on it most suspicious. X at least had some reasoning although I think it was a bit misguided and I didn't agree with it. He has a good point in defense and I find it hard to be overly suspect of him for doing the same thing that I did in regards to defending Theo.

 

As far as Tina goes I don't have much of a read on her. I don't find her scummy in particular and wasn't sure what exactly Despo saw D1 to make him so suspicious. I don't think she had the best reasons for joining the GE train early on but I can understand. GE was looking rather defensive/guilty with how he was handling the situation. Speaking of which, the fact that you neglected to really weigh in on the manner and then proceeded to place your vote elsewhere is kind of weird. You basically buddy to GE 'he'll be an asset if town' (which you might've known already) and then vote the opposing train to Theo. Anyway, I'm finding you most suspect atm so I like Tina's involvement on your wagon versus TG's. I also didn't see very many connections with her and Theo except for them both listing each other as null reads.

 

 

Suspects Err and defends me. 

 

Andrej, on 02 Feb 2014 - 05:38 AM, said:

unvote; vote Darthe

 

I think it's about time we get this done.

 

And vote Darthe again. 

 

Summary in next post. 

Posted

Meh! Hate when that happens. How many quotes can you quote? 

 

 

Summary:

 

It looked like he tried to get rid of Darthe. Theo was also suspicious of Darthe. That means that Darthe is not mafia. 

 

He defended me until the end of day 2, then I was on his scum list. I know I´m town so I don´t care much about it.

 

Vos - he had a town read on Vos all game (except for early d1). It looked like he thought that Golden cleared him as town. If we have a GF then Vos could be it. Or he is just town. 

 

Luci - he barely mention her at all until he suggests that Golden should view her. Of course he could have mentioned one of his teammates, especially if it´s a GF.

 

X - he mention him as scum closer to the end.

 

Des - he is suspicious of Des and even votes him but unvotes him and then starts to ask him about my meta. Hm...

 

Err - defended him initially but voted him several times. 

 

 

Honestly - the only thing that I learned was that Darthe is not scum but I didn´t think so before either. Err is probably cleared as well. A part of me thinks that he tried to distance with Des but Theo initially said that a helping AJ is town but a helping Des is scummy. So I will view Des as town as well. Golden is of course our cop. 

 

That leaves Luci, X and Vos. I will read more about those three. 

Posted
  On 2/3/2014 at 8:32 PM, Darthe said:

unvote vote Luci

 

Darthe - talk more please. Explain yourself. Why did you pick Luci? I could definitely vote her again. She started out very vague and then she has only attacked me because I voted her. What is your reason? Why not X or Vos?

 

Des - what do you think? 

Posted

Vote Luci

 

I kind of told myself why in my last post. lol 

 

Still need to check X and Vos again. It will have to wait until tomorrow though. 

Posted
  On 2/3/2014 at 3:25 AM, Err said:

my scum list

 

1. Tina

2. Tina

3. Tina

I can agree with that. 

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 10:57 AM, nervositee said:

Cypher? 

 

Generally, I think theme and character-speculating will just leave us astray if we start thinking too hard about it, tbh. 

I think a survivor would be too late in the game to consider,  I wondered about that as well but like you said it would lead us astray thinking about it too much. 

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 8:32 PM, Darthe said:

unvote vote Luci

I can agree with Tina voting me for her saying I haven't posted enough. However why are you voting me?

 

 

For now just in case I don't make it, Vote Tina

Posted

Tina gave a lot of reads about people, and has cleared many of them. You yourself say that AJ has mentioned me as scum. So by that logic with which you cleared others based on AJ voting them, do I seem still scummy?

 

You seem more suspicious out of the 2 I suspect.

 

Vote Tina

 

Like Golden said, you should claim.

Posted

Didn't actually end up doing a full reread, my eyes were struggling to stay awake for a while.

 

Luckily however, I did find MOAR than enough to figure out the 3rd scummer!

 

:biggrin:

 

  On 1/24/2014 at 10:52 PM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/24/2014 at 10:43 PM, Andrej said:

 

 

  On 1/24/2014 at 10:09 PM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/24/2014 at 6:18 PM, Andrej said:

Nerv - what about it gives you town vibes?

 

 

Idk, it seems like town would discuss their kids, after-school television and babyfood, while scum would talk about which knives are best suited to cut hardwires? But again, maybe this is all cloak-and-dagger-play and you trying to get sympathy for being all soft proud parents, but while the toddlers are away for kindergarden, you plot nightkills and backstabbing?

 

Lol anything is possible. I ask because I don't feel like our banter necessarily warrants a town-read, so you naming us both so early is suspect IMO.

 

 

 

I thought we were still on the "day 1 joke-votes and spamming"-phase. You discussion your kids are of course a null-tell. But I'm glad to see that you're already suspicious and scum-hunting from the get-go, instead of "It's only day 1 so we are by default not doing anything". (Not related to you, btw, just in general). 

 

Firstly there is a clear contradiction in this exchange- in Vos's first response to AJ he responds as if his town read based on the daddy talk was NOT a joke, then in the next response he says it is.

 

Anyways I'm sure yall remember the interaction they had earlier as it has been referenced multiple times. Looking at it with a fresh set of eyes however, it def looks like it could be a staged interaction to me. I encourage others to go back and read, it reads way too scripted and the way that AJ first votes then unvotes and clears Vos is mega suspect.

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 2:46 AM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 2:22 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 1:58 AM, nervositee said:

AJ is either scum trying too hard to look like a "good, active scum-hunter", jumping at every straw he sees, turning every rock just to gain some initial town-cred now before he has to start being careful who he buddies and who he distances himself from

 

Or he is just being a good townie. 

 

All others: Null so far

Again, except Golden who is scum because lawyer. 

 

So... null then? You are essentially saying I could be one or the other. Wishy-washy statements like this don't sit very well for me, nor does your early town-read on me and TG for poor reasons and the subsequent backtracking of said read.

 

unvote; vote Vos

 

Also, that's the 2nd time you have made this sort of comment about GE. I'm assuming it's a joke, but I don't understand why you are bringing it up.

 

 

I'm not sure if I'm being unclear, or if you really are jumping at straws here? 

 

I'm mainly being unserious, it's start of game. Throwing observations out there to see how people react to them, joking around, picking up clues, seeing who is active, who keeps their head down, who buddies, who distances etc. 

 

So, to start at the bottom; why do I need a reason to bring it up? It's a joke. Lawyers = scummy. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but I think you're looking too hard here man. 

 

And back to your point # 1, sorry if I'm not being clear about how unserious/serious I am. It's page 4. I threw out the statement that while the thread is mainly people checking in, saying hello etc. you are being a very active scumhunter. It's an observation, nothing more. The fact that you see that as "wishy-washy" enough to think I'm scum and change your vote to me seems rash though. 

 

Bottom line is, it's great that you jump straight into it and scumhunt. I made an observation about it, while not putting it in either the town- or the scum-camp. That's all. 

 

 

The first nestled quote is just bad. Extremely fence-sittingy, almost absurdly so. AJ pretty much calls him out on it and Vos responds... what jumped out to me is a bunch of cliche buzzword/buzzphrases Vos was using at the start of the game, stuff like "jumping at straws", etc. Could be minor but imo it is somewhat indicative of newb scum that hasn't gotten used to how to fake scumhunt at the start of games yet so just drops out popular phrases and sayings to try and look like he's contributing.

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 9:31 AM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 3:46 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 2:46 AM, nervositee said:

 


I'm not sure if I'm being unclear, or if you really are jumping at straws here? 

 

I'm mainly being unserious, it's start of game. Throwing observations out there to see how people react to them, joking around, picking up clues, seeing who is active, who keeps their head down, who buddies, who distances etc. 

 

So, to start at the bottom; why do I need a reason to bring it up? It's a joke. Lawyers = scummy. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but I think you're looking too hard here man. 

 

And back to your point # 1, sorry if I'm not being clear about how unserious/serious I am. It's page 4. I threw out the statement that while the thread is mainly people checking in, saying hello etc. you are being a very active scumhunter. It's an observation, nothing more. The fact that you see that as "wishy-washy" enough to think I'm scum and change your vote to me seems rash though. 

 

Bottom line is, it's great that you jump straight into it and scumhunt. I made an observation about it, while not putting it in either the town- or the scum-camp. That's all. 

 

 

1. The joke on GE is sort of irrelevant to the point I'm making.

2. Observations are fine. When I say wishy-washy I am talking about the ambiguity in your statement. You basically said 'He's active. Could be scum or town.' You're making a statement without necessarily taking a hard stance on it. This could allow you some wiggle room to change your opinion later. I find that suspicious.

3. I don't think my vote moving to you is a rash decision. I have made some commentary on you (about the town-reads) prior to moving my vote after your last post. I can't say 100% that you are scum, but I think you are a good place to start looking.

 

 

1. Hmm? 

2. Yes. It was an ambiguous statement, because the way you're playing can strike both ways. I still mentioned it, not to claim you were this or that, but to offer my observation, for now but also for the future when we have more to go on. The whole point is to allow wiggle-room, because this early in the game we don't know anything. So more than anything, town should be über-flexible early game when things switch up fast. Taking a "hard stance" on page 4 seems more scummy to me than to observe and leave all options open. 

3. You are still jumping me from making jokey comments and then—when pointed out they seemed to intertwined with the hame—retracting/explaining them. It still strikes me as rash. Not scum-rash though. But still rash  :rolleyes:

 

If it helps, I'll offer my "hard stance" opinion: AJ = Town. While I think that he is being overly active and grasping at straws I think he has done a good job of getting the game started, getting people to actually participate and do some active scumhunt. I know what I am, so his hunt for me seems either misdirected or scummy, but looking objectively at it I can see it. I think if you were scum you'd keep your head down a bit more, and especially not be the vocal forerunner of a mislynch D1.

 

 

Bolded is a major clue- Vos says AJ seems rash... but not "scum-rash". Yeahhhhhh... plus he repeats more of the buzzphrases and says he likes leaving himself wiggle room

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:47 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 9:31 AM, nervositee said:

1. Hmm? 

2. Yes. It was an ambiguous statement, because the way you're playing can strike both ways. I still mentioned it, not to claim you were this or that, but to offer my observation, for now but also for the future when we have more to go on. The whole point is to allow wiggle-room, because this early in the game we don't know anything. So more than anything, town should be über-flexible early game when things switch up fast. Taking a "hard stance" on page 4 seems more scummy to me than to observe and leave all options open. 

3. You are still jumping me from making jokey comments and then—when pointed out they seemed to intertwined with the hame—retracting/explaining them. It still strikes me as rash. Not scum-rash though. But still rash  :rolleyes:

 

If it helps, I'll offer my "hard stance" opinion: AJ = Town. While I think that he is being overly active and grasping at straws I think he has done a good job of getting the game started, getting people to actually participate and do some active scumhunt. I know what I am, so his hunt for me seems either misdirected or scummy, but looking objectively at it I can see it. I think if you were scum you'd keep your head down a bit more, and especially not be the vocal forerunner of a mislynch D1.

 

 

1. Hm? I was saying your joke on GE wasn't something that I found suspicious and therefore wasn't relevant to why I was voting you.

2. Okay, so reading this I think it was more a matter of how you said it that tipped me off. I can agree with you on the flexibility thing early on. By hard stance I'm saying that generally I feel it's okay to say that you think/feel someone is a certain alignment if you can support it.

3. I'm not sure what you're trying to express here.

 

I like your response here, pretty level-headed and I think you explained yourself well in regards to why I was suspicious. I don't necessarily feel you need to provide yourself wiggle room as town, but people have different ways of playing/interpreting this game.

 

unvote

 

And here is where AJ unvotes Vos... again, looks too scripted to me. Attempt at early game distancing failed.

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:58 PM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:47 PM, Andrej said:

 

1. Hm? I was saying your joke on GE wasn't something that I found suspicious and therefore wasn't relevant to why I was voting you.

2. Okay, so reading this I think it was more a matter of how you said it that tipped me off. I can agree with you on the flexibility thing early on. By hard stance I'm saying that generally I feel it's okay to say that you think/feel someone is a certain alignment if you can support it.

3. I'm not sure what you're trying to express here.

 

I like your response here, pretty level-headed and I think you explained yourself well in regards to why I was suspicious. I don't necessarily feel you need to provide yourself wiggle room as town, but people have different ways of playing/interpreting this game.

 

unvote

 

 

1. Ah, thanks for the clarification

3. Haha, don't blame you, that was was a poor sentence.

I meant that even after I tried to explain myself, and agree that it wasn't clear enough it had nothing to do with proper gameplay, you still jumped on me. Rash might also have been the wrong word, more opportunistic. But I also think we just got tangled in a bit of a misunderstanding. 

 

2. and last comment. I think we are on the same page, but might use different wording/terminology. I'll pay a bit more attention  :wink:

 

Way too buddy buddy of a response here imo.

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 7:31 PM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:53 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

1- Awful. Half the people in this game around really in this game yet and you're pointing to participation as an indicator of being town or not. Do you see why scum who HAVE been posting would use a VC to justify the very weak argument you're putting forth?

 

2- Your posts make little sense and you're confusing. Err has votes, but he's I don't see him being as bad as everyone thinks and he is capable of putting together a solid argument. I'm not threatening you, I was giving you a heads up that when he sheds votes they could come your way if you didn't start making more sense. Note that I am not voting you and I didn't fos you, I was TRYING to be helpful. That's the last time I'll do that.

 

3- You've not played with me, so I'll pat you on the head and chuckle if you think THAT was me wound up.  

 

 

1. Again, wtf? Who has used it as an argument? Who has used it as a scumtell? Who has done more than to post it? Oh, you. no one else. 

 

2.  :rolleyes: Your tone reeks of passive-aggressiveness

 

3. Ehm, ok, if you say so. 

 

unvote vote Golden

 

At first glance this looks more like an omgus vote, but if you go back and look, Vos responded to AJ's post first, waited a bit, Darthe votes GE, and THEN Vos joins him. Looks more opportunistic than just straight up omgusy. Around this time Theo was one of the leading trains as well, so I think scum were trying to push a countertrain.

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 10:24 PM, nervositee said:

I'm gonna start from page 1 and do a re-read now. Including myself. I mainly stand by everything I've said, but if people read through and doesn't quite understand what I'm saying I should probably look over and see whats up. I'll be back with the results ;)

 

Guilty conscience... plus the wink face at the end is him trying to look like a good townie for town in my eyes.

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 6:17 PM, Xthrax said:

Well, I've been going through what everyone said and I feel a certain vibe from what a few have said.

 

Theo- From her earlier post and what she summarized now of her current post

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 3:44 PM, Theodora said:

I saw so far different people interpreting my words as scummy or putting words in my mouth.

 

This is what I meant when commenting Vos:

 

1. He is scum hunting but seems confused, so it does not help me with information.

2. Day1, I am doing the same usually and this is not a crime or a scum tell, thus leaning town on Vos for the moment

 

If this is enough for TG to vote me, good, there are always opportunistic scum and misled townies to bite.

 

Despo is looking for an easy lynch + he will be absent and votes me without stating a reason. Wow, Despo, are you lazy or you really believe some weak accusations?

 

I know how Golden plays and indeed he can come aggressive but this is just his style and if you vote him for this, then what do you say about TG's style of calling names? Also, I explained my reason for the comment on Vos'play and although Basel appeared scummy (TG's words), TG continues staying on me + accusing me of fake scum hunting.

 

I smell scum with such weak reasons, so

 

Vote TGlems

  

It seems what she said was just misconstrued as seeming to be scum. All she said was that Vos appears to be confused, doesn't seem clear of what he appears to be. She doesn't seem to be scummy to me. 

 

Golden-From the last few games that I have lurked on and seen Golden play, his still did kinda seem aggressive-an all out approach. And from what I glean that seems to be how he plays. And still with votes on him, he looks to have come out strong. Feeling Town.

 

Des-First with what looked to me like a random vote on Err, changed all of a sudden to Theo

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 10:35 AM, Despothera said:

This sucks. Deadline is in a day and a half but I prob won't get time to go into this thoroughly before I crash.

I see I'm the only vote on Err. I take back what I said- voting activity is NOT pleasing me now. We really haven't spread much true pressure around at all

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 10:36 AM, Despothera said:

Unvote, Vote Theo

 

Why all of a sudden a jump to Theo? If it's for spreading pressure around, there could have been a lot of people you picked. 

 

And congrats on the car!! Which one is it?

 

Basel-Could have just misconstrued what has been meant, could've been just a misunderstanding. Not really much of a feel

 

Andrej-Seems he's scum hunting. Started early but that's all fine. Nothing much, feels town.

 

Kronos-Thanks man! Glad to be here. Nothing much.

 

Krakalacken-Nothing to go on

 

Vos- Don't know why there was such a huge pressure on him. Maybe to see if he would crack under pressure? Don't feel as though he came out in top but he definitely didn't crack under pressure-and that good. Though voting on Golden, why again? You say that Golden was using vote count as a scum tell, when all I've seen him do is call people out for putting that VC up. And then he's been seen using an aggressive style. Suspicious but nothing much solid really.

 

Err-Everyone jumped up at him right from the beginning, for mentioning a GF. In the possible list of roles Nolder gave in the beginning, a GF was mentioned. Nothing much

 

Darthe-On Golden's track. Acc. to you- 'Scummy deflection and instigative response' was Golden. He just looked to be calling out TGlems for bring up VC very fast. Doesn't look like scummy deflection. On another note, claims Miller. Feels that he could be true, so leaning town.

 

Tina- 

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 12:31 PM, TinaHel said:

The funny thing about Theo is that she did the same thing as Vos. Pointing out he is going in two directions while she is doing the same. I didn´t understand the initial pressure on Vos. Maybe it was because there was not much to comment on? I don´t know what to make of Theo´s comment. I kind of agree with Basel that it looked like she said that Vos was scummy but still got a town read on him. Maybe she just didn´t explain herself very good? Still weird that she hasn´t voted yet. 

 

Err´s mentioning of a GF could be something. I will keep it in mind. Not a reason for a vote yet. 

 

I´m a bit suspicious of Des. His initial case on Vos was bad. As I said, maybe it was just a way of trying to start the game by joining AJ. Then he thinks Vos´s answer looked genuine and unvoted him. But later he says that TG and Vos looks scummier than Golden. Do you think Vos is scummy or not? 

 

Which brings me to Golden. I see that I will have a problem with, what you call, aggressive style. I would rather call it rude style. I totally agree with Darthe´s vote on Golden. I´m trying to see if my dislike of his play style is colouring my thoughts about him but I don´t think I agree with anything he has said so far. 

 

Vote Golden

 

On the what Theo said, yeah but then could be a case of misunderstanding. Err, like I said it may not really be a slip up could just be quoting Nolder. Des, I'm not so suspiscious. True his case on Vos was bad, but he could just be an active Townie scum-hunting. Vos, not really a sure feel. Golden, now that could just be his style. And how exactly are you meaning to agree with Darthe? I would say 50-50 of scum or town.

 

Tglems- Started with the vote count. It's still Day 1 man, so cut everyone some slack. I agree with you that mafia could be hiding out on Day 1, but you could really be voting someone who really maybe couldn't be that active on D1. Suspicious, for bringing up and calling people out just based on the number of their posts. It could be your play style lynching the lurkers, but just be quiet you don't have much to say is also a play style. I dunno man, but does not really go right with me

 

Vote TGlems

 

Reads post from X earlier in the game. This actually helped solidify my read on him- and I think he's just a newb townie here, not scum. This reads list has two very iffy scum reads, and on a bunch of other people that have been in the spotlight he basically gives them all the benefit of the doubt and defends them. Basically I think he starts off too trusting. I don't think scum would make a reads list this bad.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 2:12 AM, Andrej said:

Not likely.

Pretty sure GE already cleared Vos as town anyway and no one has CC'd. You think this game is cop-less with your Miller role? I doubt that. Would mean either you were lying or Nol is a meanie head and tossing out utility roles to confuse.

 

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 2:22 AM, Andrej said:

That's the vibe I got anyway.

Can't quote it on my phone. He says something about how he is annoyed that Vos is actually town than votes Basel. His next post saying he would let it air out is what gave me the hint vibe.

 

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 2:25 AM, Andrej said:

Nvm. Went back to double check, he said he wishes he didn't think he was town. Not that he wished he wasn't town.

My bad.

 

Ahhhhhh forgot about this. Yeahhhhhh Vos looks like a prime candidate for GF if there is one from this.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 7:33 AM, Theodora said:

Err - he lives in another time zone, not Europe or USA and he said he would be away for a short time that is why I think he has not replied to the accusations. I do not think that at this point my vote would go to him just for the fact he started analyzing the game mechanics. To me it sounded more like "thinking aloud" but yet again it might have been a slip of the mafia team structure. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until he appears and comments on the train.

 

Xthrax, Vos and AJ are the only people who try to do some real scum hunting and post their comments in a neat way. I do not necessarily agree with all of them but the goal is to provide information and I think they do well (leaning town). And AJ, no I don't speak the best of English, so if someone doesn't understand something, please ask. I appologise about that.

 

Darthe - still not convinced about his Miller PR. If I were scum and knowing Darthe usually gets viewed early in the game, what better claim than this with his first sentence. His protection for Basel, trying to divert attention to himself pings as well.

 

Despo - I don't see Despo in the game with his meta. He is voting and not commenting like we have seen him play when town. Maybe it's because he is into more than 1 mafia games or he tries the new tactics of lurking. The vote on me without any reason at all was just "brilliant"

 

Tina - I do not know what to think of her - a bit lurky but that is probably her style - sounds a bit over-defensive - null read for now.

 

Golden - I have seen him playing cop and playing scum and this is hi pro-town behaviour. I hope he would give some more explanations, though. I do not like a vote without a stated reason.

 

Anyway, I have my top scum read  in the face of Basel:

1. How quickly he jumped on my train (early Day 1) - very opportunistic move

2. When he saw the train building after Err - he made a consolidation vote

3. Votes Err right away (Day 2) because of the alleged diversion

4. Protects Darthe our "Miller" that he should be left to be a safe lynch later and now Darthe protects Basel, saying Basel votes suck. Looks like an artificial conversation to me.

 

That is all of his scum hunting until now and he presses for a quick lynch. These are enough reasons for me:

 

Vote Basel

 

Bold - while it stinks she included both Vos and X here, the fact that she also included AJ in the group tells me that she was definitely defending her teammates here- in other words it's either Vos or X.

 

However she defended Vos before this as well, and got a lot of flak for it in fact- she said he seemed confused and couldn't understand him. Others read this as a fos, she clarified that it wasn't and she read him town. She never had that kind of major interaction with X.

 

So yeah Vos is confirmed mafia in my mind, and likely a GF.

 

Vote Vos.

Posted

Votecount

Tina - Nervositee, Luci, Xthrax (3)

Luci - Darthe, Tina (2)

Nervositee - Des (1)

 

 

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: Wednesday 6AM PST

Posted

Tina claims VT. The last time we were at L1, and TG claimed VT no one listened and removed their vote. I'm not inclined to repeat the same mistake this time and so I accord Tina the benefit of doubt.

 

Unvote Tina

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My answers to Des. Spoilered because it's huge. Answers in green

 

 

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It's really rubbing me the wrong way that I didn't look closer at AJ. I realized that "Ok, fine, I can see that my first joke-comment seemed strange, and I didn't follow it up very good". So I laid off AJ. He led me by the hand the whole time and I just followed, when he came at me for the parenting-comments, to how he out of the blue dropped it and confirmed me town. It should have pinged me as obvious but for some reason it didn't. Sucks at this point though, especially when people drag up a long ISO mainly from the first part of the game. I also think ISO'ing a couple of mine and AJs posts, mainly early game, and then concluding I'm confirmed mafia is a bit thin?

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  On 2/4/2014 at 3:55 PM, Xthrax said:

Tina claims VT. The last time we were at L1, and TG claimed VT no one listened and removed their vote. I'm not inclined to repeat the same mistake this time and so I accord Tina the benefit of doubt.

 

Unvote Tina

 

:huh: Wow, but seriously, if we clear everyone who claims they are VT at L-1 we'll never get anywhere though. 

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But see what happened to TG. Still going with a vote on Tina? Its better if we go cautiously and proceed to lynch a confirmed and definite scum. What do you think? Golden, any reads?

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I kinda do, and I'm certainly interested in why GE unvoted and said Tina should claim. I don't agree with her claiming VT is a good reason to unvote though. 

 

Unless I'm wrong, we also have about 20 hours until DL. 

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Golden obviously didn´t view me. If he had he wouldn´t have voted me to begin with. 

 

It looks like you are trying very hard to look town in the post above (your answer to Des).  It only makes you look guilty. I don´t want to quote the quote but here are some weird lines:

 

 

"This is (sadly) abit funny."

 

"I agree, and have agreed in-thread before. For the record. "

 

"Apparently just shot myself in the foot instead. Fine, done is done. "

 

"Again, I read AJ as town here, realized I messed up and tried to show some humility. I was sure we got distracted in a town-town misunderstanding and was eager to get back on track scum-hunting. I'm really annoyed I let myself be led by the hand through the entire first half of the game, but fine, that's what happened. "

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The above quotes show nothing more than what has been established before. I let myself get in a tangle early game by mixing a joke with gameplay, in retrospect AJ took advantage of that. It's slightly embarrassing and more than a little frustrating.

 

My 2 cents is that a selective ISO from early-game is more scummy than taking self-critique though. And jumping on my answers, saying I look guilty and dragging out some (quote) "wierd lines" out of context - I fail to see what point you're making, tbh. 

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vote Vos

 

Though I think she's scummy, I was interested in seeing who jumped at a chance to lynch Tina with weak reasoning. Tina, if you were GF you would welcome a night investigation. As such, claiming something like "he would see I'm town" seems like more of a scum slip than a town thing to say. I also interpret your play from the last Day cycle to be trying to attract an investigation. 

 

I didn't identify scum last night, I just confirmed someone as town. Seeing as how I think there's a GF in the game I don't want to reveal who because someone will latch on to that view as a "clear" and it might sway the group. Vos repeatedly wants people to forget how he played early in the game. That play was likely to get him lynched, so duh. His analysis recently hasn't helped me all that much and he engages in a ton of whyme fryme. So, even if I am wrong and he is not scum, we're not losing much. In summary, sorry I couldn't find another one last night, but I think we're on our own. I'm good with Tina or Vos. 

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X unvoted in an effort to avoid a mislynch when he could have stayed still and just passively waited for one. That gives him some town cred in my eyes. Vos meanwhile is upset we didn't lynch Tina because we should just lynch people who claim VT anyway. FTR I'd prefer a Vos lynch today to a Tina lynch. He DID buddy with AJ a decent amount and I think he's too inexperienced not to buddy scum teammates at this stage. 

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