[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia - Game Over

[michellem]

 

*insert roll eyes smiley*

 

Did you read my next post? At all?

 

The point of all this was she claims to have known the metas of the JN players playing this game.  Whether she was a guest or invisible, it doesn't matter -- the main point was that she agreed with a point Darthe made and then backtracked on.

 

So she either skimmed and agreed without not really knowing she was agreeing on (which I questioned her on then, and she responded that she DID know), or she lied.  Perhaps you'd like "stretched the truth" to make her point.  She was arguing that we were town at the time, which would be more than easy to just stay quiet about.  There was no logical reason to believe the Vig came from that pool.  It reeks of someone trying to throw attention in as many directions as possible.

 

 

Yes I read your post, and you strongly indicated that you thought Tress was lying about being on JN at all since you'd never seen her nick on the logged in users-lists. And I'm saying that is BS.

[AVM]

 

 

*insert roll eyes smiley*

 

Did you read my next post? At all?

 

The point of all this was she claims to have known the metas of the JN players playing this game.  Whether she was a guest or invisible, it doesn't matter -- the main point was that she agreed with a point Darthe made and then backtracked on.

 

So she either skimmed and agreed without not really knowing she was agreeing on (which I questioned her on then, and she responded that she DID know), or she lied.  Perhaps you'd like "stretched the truth" to make her point.  She was arguing that we were town at the time, which would be more than easy to just stay quiet about.  There was no logical reason to believe the Vig came from that pool.  It reeks of someone trying to throw attention in as many directions as possible.

 

 

Yes I read your post, and you strongly indicated that you thought Tress was lying about being on JN at all since you'd never seen her nick on the logged in users-lists. And I'm saying that is BS.

 

 

Strongly? LOL

 

Okay, whatever you say.  The only reason I suggested she was lying was because she was WRONG.  How every one of you keep glossing over the fact that she agreed with something Darthe said then admitted was wrong is beyond me.  Whether it was reading JN on invisible or just flat out lying -- she lied!  The only other explanation is that she skimmed, which we covered.  She can't agree with a meta that doesn't exist!

[John E. Kelley]

You don't believe a JN player would be quicker to pull the trigger that a DM player would? I do. As someone who's played at both places, I believe it.

[Songstress]

Dude. I've already explained why I agreed with Darthe. You appear to be trying way too hard to paint me as scummy for a very inconsequential comment.

 

The tunneling is making you look worse than me, and your interaction with Lily on the subject looks really shady.

[Songstress]

And ninja'd... the above was obviously directed at AVM.

[John E. Kelley]

your interaction with Lily on the subject looks really shady.

Stop parroting me, it makes me nervous.

[michellem]

Dude. I've already explained why I agreed with Darthe. You appear to be trying way too hard to paint me as scummy for a very inconsequential comment.

 

The tunneling is making you look worse than me, and your interaction with Lily on the subject looks really shady.

 

I'm inclined to agree with this.

[AVM]

You don't believe a JN player would be quicker to pull the trigger that a DM player would? I do. As someone who's played at both places, I believe it.

 

Seriously?  What a JN player would do is irrelevant, when the JN players playing in this game are NOT quicker to pull a trigger.  I've said this like 3 or 4 times.  I have said that YES, JN players in general would be quicker to pull the trigger, but that's really skewed because of the few that do every chance they get (I mentioned specifically 80 and JiF several pages back)

[Songstress]

 

your interaction with Lily on the subject looks really shady.

Stop parroting me, it makes me nervous.

 

 

Pssh, who's parroting?

 

 

 

If I was scum, I wouldn't have shot someone I could have gotten lynched, and I believe I would have been able to get Darthe lynched.

Oh joy. This seems apropos.

 

 

 

Lily -- if you think Darthe's case was weak (and it was, as I said), then you've got to find the fact that Songstress quickly jumped on board with him to be even more highly suspicious, no?

 

I had forgotten that. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, she's in my top 3 now, too.

 

 

I'd like to hear more about what AVM thinks I "quickly jumped on board with" and why this suddenly puts me in Lily's top 3.  

 

The only thing I went on record agreeing with Darthe about was the likelihood that the vig who shot Despo was either Lily, AVM, or Ishy.  Why does this make me scum again? Were you thinking I was trailing along with Darthe's suspicion of Lily as mafia?  Because I said nothing of that sort, as you will see if you ISO my posts.  I specifically said I thought the dayvig was probably town.  

 

And now that we all know Darthe was town, do you still think I'm scum?

 

This interaction between AVM and Lily smells fishy to me.

 

 

 

 

 

Theres a lot of talk about games played at JN going on. You do realize half of us will not be able to get any gameplay from this right?

It honestly shouldn't have been made a significant issue. It was a bit of speculation about Despo's shooting, and that should have been it.

I'm in agreement with you that this has all been much ado about nothing. Lily and AVM being in lockstep with one another is much sketchier than anything you've done.

 

 

I did notice that Lily appears to be distancing from that a bit now, since saying that after AVM's reminder I was in her top three suspects, and after Darthe's death and Dice's claim she didn't jump to switch her vote to her next best candidate.  *clears throat*

[LilyElizabeth]

I can explain that. I feel like crap and I want to wait until I can vote with a clear head. Don't worry. I'll get to voting this afternoon. 

[AVM]

Dude. I've already explained why I agreed with Darthe. You appear to be trying way too hard to paint me as scummy for a very inconsequential comment.

 

The tunneling is making you look worse than me, and your interaction with Lily on the subject looks really shady.

 

You mean when I questioned Lily for not pressuring you when what you did was more condemning that what Darthe did? Or the part where she's agreed with me on everything since?  I'm not exactly in love with the second part, no.

 

At least I'm trying and going off the only thing I see worth while attacking thus far.  Unlike you, who has stayed on your joke vote the entire game.  This doesn't bother ANYONE else?

 

Here is the base of my case against Songstress:

 

1 -- the Darthe comment re: JNer's, which she followed.  It struck me then as trying to throw attention towards certain players.  If you truly think you know someone in a small group is the town Vig, why are you talking about it?  Don't give scum that information.

 

2 -- Early joke vote and hasn't moved.  Yes, I find it scummy to park and stay.  Honestly, I find this to be scummier than the aforementioned argument.

 

That's it.  No, it's not a concrete case...but it's better than I've got on anyone else. 

[AVM]

Oh and the bolded just doesn't make any sense.  Why are you saying "makes you look worse than me," when no one thinks you look bad EXCEPT for me?

[AVM]

 

 

your interaction with Lily on the subject looks really shady.

Stop parroting me, it makes me nervous.

 

 

Pssh, who's parroting?

 

 

 

If I was scum, I wouldn't have shot someone I could have gotten lynched, and I believe I would have been able to get Darthe lynched.

Oh joy. This seems apropos.

 

 

 

Lily -- if you think Darthe's case was weak (and it was, as I said), then you've got to find the fact that Songstress quickly jumped on board with him to be even more highly suspicious, no?

 

I had forgotten that. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, she's in my top 3 now, too.

 

 

I'd like to hear more about what AVM thinks I "quickly jumped on board with" and why this suddenly puts me in Lily's top 3.  

 

The only thing I went on record agreeing with Darthe about was the likelihood that the vig who shot Despo was either Lily, AVM, or Ishy.  Why does this make me scum again? Were you thinking I was trailing along with Darthe's suspicion of Lily as mafia?  Because I said nothing of that sort, as you will see if you ISO my posts.  I specifically said I thought the dayvig was probably town.  

 

And now that we all know Darthe was town, do you still think I'm scum?

 

This interaction between AVM and Lily smells fishy to me.

 

 

 

 

 

Theres a lot of talk about games played at JN going on. You do realize half of us will not be able to get any gameplay from this right?

It honestly shouldn't have been made a significant issue. It was a bit of speculation about Despo's shooting, and that should have been it.

I'm in agreement with you that this has all been much ado about nothing. Lily and AVM being in lockstep with one another is much sketchier than anything you've done.

 

 

I did notice that Lily appears to be distancing from that a bit now, since saying that after AVM's reminder I was in her top three suspects, and after Darthe's death and Dice's claim she didn't jump to switch her vote to her next best candidate.  *clears throat*

 

 

PLEASE tell me you're not making a point about someone not switching their vote.

[AVM]

Look -- seriously, if it's totally normal for people to stick on their joke votes here for the entire day 1 someone tell me.  When I went and looked at who voted who last night she was the only one who hadn't moved from a d1 vote.  There were two or three that didn't vote at all until the weekend, but sticking on a vote from a handful of posts into the game seemed much more condemning.

[John E. Kelley]

It's semi-normal. It used to be the rage, but has been falling off recently. Some do take it to extremes though.

[GoldeneyesND]

 

 

*insert roll eyes smiley*

 

Did you read my next post? At all?

 

The point of all this was she claims to have known the metas of the JN players playing this game.  Whether she was a guest or invisible, it doesn't matter -- the main point was that she agreed with a point Darthe made and then backtracked on.

 

So she either skimmed and agreed without not really knowing she was agreeing on (which I questioned her on then, and she responded that she DID know), or she lied.  Perhaps you'd like "stretched the truth" to make her point.  She was arguing that we were town at the time, which would be more than easy to just stay quiet about.  There was no logical reason to believe the Vig came from that pool.  It reeks of someone trying to throw attention in as many directions as possible.

 

 

Yes I read your post, and you strongly indicated that you thought Tress was lying about being on JN at all since you'd never seen her nick on the logged in users-lists. And I'm saying that is BS.

 

 

Agree with Mish. Unless you're the kind of guy who sits around memorizing active user lists? If so, we have a different problem altogether...

 

 

 

 

 

 

*insert roll eyes smiley*

 

Did you read my next post? At all?

 

The point of all this was she claims to have known the metas of the JN players playing this game.  Whether she was a guest or invisible, it doesn't matter -- the main point was that she agreed with a point Darthe made and then backtracked on.

 

So she either skimmed and agreed without not really knowing she was agreeing on (which I questioned her on then, and she responded that she DID know), or she lied.  Perhaps you'd like "stretched the truth" to make her point.  She was arguing that we were town at the time, which would be more than easy to just stay quiet about.  There was no logical reason to believe the Vig came from that pool.  It reeks of someone trying to throw attention in as many directions as possible.

 

 

Yes I read your post, and you strongly indicated that you thought Tress was lying about being on JN at all since you'd never seen her nick on the logged in users-lists. And I'm saying that is BS.

 

 

 

 

Strongly? LOL

 

Okay, whatever you say.  The only reason I suggested she was lying was because she was WRONG.  How every one of you keep glossing over the fact that she agreed with something Darthe said then admitted was wrong is beyond me.  Whether it was reading JN on invisible or just flat out lying -- she lied!  The only other explanation is that she skimmed, which we covered.  She can't agree with a meta that doesn't exist!

 

 FTR I could care less about this line of reasoning. I don't play on whatever JN is. I don't care about people's metas there and I find the fact you keep pulling the discussion back to this very interesting. You seem to think you have found some massive scum slip. All you're really doing is derailing the conversation.

[peacesells]

VOTE LILY

 

Can you guys stop arguing the JN and day 1 joke vote meta stuff.  We have 1 more day to secure a lynch.  Those of you arguing BS just look scummy by using it as a distracting technique.

 

Move along.

[GoldeneyesND]

Can someone who knows him (I don't care where from) indicate whether AVM is the less emo version of Des? Eg WoT and tunneling common for him?

[Songstress]

Look -- seriously, if it's totally normal for people to stick on their joke votes here for the entire day 1 someone tell me. When I went and looked at who voted who last night she was the only one who hadn't moved from a d1 vote. There were two or three that didn't vote at all until the weekend, but sticking on a vote from a handful of posts into the game seemed much more condemning.

I assure you, it's normal for me not to remove a joke vote until I decide who I plan to vote seriously, unless the person starts gaining additional votes and I don't agree with lynching them.

 

Ishy has been in no danger of being lynched, or I would have unvoted.

[Songstress]

Oh and the bolded just doesn't make any sense. Why are you saying "makes you look worse than me," when no one thinks you look bad EXCEPT for me?

And what's your point of "casing" me (aka tunneling) except to try to make me look bad to everyone else who is not voting me?

 

It looks to me like nobody else agrees with you, with possibly the exception of Lily.

 

Jumping to nitpick on phrases like that just reinforce my point that you are working very hard to paint me as scummy, presumably to convince others to lynch me. Perhaps you should try looking elsewhere.

[John E. Kelley]

Can someone who knows him (I don't care where from) indicate whether AVM is the less emo version of Des? Eg WoT and tunneling common for him?

AwesomeVM is a solid dude. No emo there. Be nice, we want him around more often.

[LilyElizabeth]

Honestly, I thought I saw something with Tress, but reflecting back on it, I don't think it's scummy enough to warrant a vote this late in the day. I just wanted to apply some pressure and see what popped out. While I don't like her joke vote still sitting on Ishy, that's really just a playstyle issue. 

 

Now, that leaves me with the dilemna of where to put my vote. My top scum read flipped town, which makes me doubt myself some. I'll figure it out as soon as I can. 

[GoldeneyesND]

 

Can someone who knows him (I don't care where from) indicate whether AVM is the less emo version of Des? Eg WoT and tunneling common for him?

AwesomeVM is a solid dude. No emo there. Be nice, we want him around more often.

 

 

Hence why I said he was Des minus the emo. I like his play, wanted to know if there was a meta on him WoT'ing as scum vs Town?

[GoldeneyesND]

vote Lily

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Lily (2) - Peace, Goldy

Tress (1) - AVM

Ishy (1) - Tress

Peace (1) - Dice

Pral (1) - Mish

 

Not voting - Hallia, Key, GF, Ishy, Pral, Lily

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline - Tuesday 10 AM EST