[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[csarmi]

Lazy mod is lazy. You guys get a votecount when I get home in the evening.

[Tommyrod]

Nolder is doc? His defense D1 had the twang of scrambling townie to it so I can safely say with my hindsight vision that I am awesome. I had Hallia and Via linked together so with Hallia flipping town I'm not confident pushing Via right now. I have to read everything before I vote for someone unless a really good case is presented by BFG, Key, or Nolder. I'm gonna be perpetually behind until this weekend, but this game has long days and has slowed down so it should be aiite. Kisses for all in the meantime. Hoof, I lol'd at your "enjoy your life" sig. 

[csarmi]

It's wednesday (I hope I'm right :D). I don't like to put deadlines on the weekend and I think Friday should be too early.

[Tommyrod]

That'll be plenty of time, thanks. 

[Blackhoof]

@tommy: thanks haha

[BFG]

Actually 4 mafia would be 30% which seems pretty high.

 

I'm sticking with 3 until we know differently. If there's no cop then effectively every mafia is a GF even if they're only called Goon, that's pretty powerful.

 

Additionally

 

initially 14 players

 

3v11 (3 mislynches before mylo)

3v10v1 (2 mislynches before mylo, depending on the third parties win condition)

4v10 (2 mislynches before mylo)

4v9v1 (1 mislynch before mylo depending on the third parties win condition)

 

The bolded seem to me to be the most likely.

 

(sorry, I'm a (stupid) numbers geek)

 

Corrected. And with the modkill mylo becomes lylo...

[Blackhoof]

Lylo already? Impossible

 

There are 9 players left, if two are mafia then it is at least another few deaths until they win.

[BFG]

Sorry Hoof,

 

Meant 1, 2 or 3 mislynches (in total - we've had one so far) then lylo instead of mylo, not that we're at lylo now.  That also ignores the possibility of a doc protect.

 

Also, sorry Nolder and thanks.

[keyholder21]

Elf's D1 posts come accross as town to me - she hasn't posted to the same amount since (dropping off of activity would usually draw my attention a bit) but we know why that was, so that turns into a null - so going with a town read on elf.

Knowing elf was town and this came before the MK, makes me shift Via back toward town. So I guess I'm at null to a little town on her. IMO, Elf would be an easy vote for mafia. She was gone awhile and BFG, who is known as town, was already voting her.

 

 

And now I have to go to work, but I have narrowed my list of suspects to peace, krak and hoof - (in no particular order, they are in the order they are in the player list)

Bold, however, is blech. You have no order whatsoever? How about quotes that make you think they are scummy, or is this your list solely because you think others are town?

[keyholder21]

Nolder & BFG, what do you guys think of this angle?  Do you think it's valid, or should I drop it?
 

I still think Tommy, Krak, or Hoof is scum. In my experience when you're scum and giving reads you generally name at least one of your scumbuddies as scum.

[Elaevia]

@key because I have town leanings on the others its part process of elimination, but I still need to look at peace, krak and hoof and decide how scummy or otherwise I find them.

 

that is why I put down that they were in no order - its only for the moment.

[keyholder21]

Gotcha.  Looking forward to your reads on them! 

[csarmi]

Trying to game the setup?

 

#thiswontendwell

[_CLOUD]

blrgh - I always manage to try and post right on cloudflare-o'clock

 

 

Krak, let's make a deal. We lynch Via today and if she ends up flipping town I will back away from my case on you.

 

Deal?

Why do you think if I am town (which I am) that makes Krak town as well?

 

I think both of you are mafia, and I feel pretty confident with my reads considering that I have called all of them right so far except Golden which I still felt unsure about. I find it interesting that Krak despite him having you as his scum read wasn’t willing to switch to you when I suggested we could both vote for you, and he also hasn’t called me out for making such a move because like you said it isn’t very pro-town. Instead he chose to not respond to my post which I think is a bad reaction because it shows hesitation.

 

The bold stuck out a bit though. You question why wishy-washiness makes him scum and then level the same charge against me? (well-earned, I know)

But wishy-washiness is not rerally a scum-tell to my mind.

The difference between you and Tom in regards to being wishy washy is that Tom only acted like that while explaining one of his reads which he felt unsure about, while you have been doing it for the duration of the entire game. I also happen to not like a large chunk of your play at the start of Day 1 and 2, although I have to say that you played better during the later stages of both of those Days which ended up giving me the mixed feeling about your play.

 

 

hey, I was called out for this exact same reasoning, by you even.

You mean where you explained your view on the situation between Peace and me during Day 1? This is different because the only reason I’m hesitant between you and Peace is because I think they are only 3 mafia’s left so I have to choose for my best scum reads. Krak and Via are those, while you and Peace keep fighting over the bronze ;)

 

Nope, don't like that at all. Uber-scummy right there. If you are mafia of course you know if they are both town.

Neither of them are town. Nice observation though.

 

true true, but is that scummy? I think not

It makes you very difficult to read which isn’t good because a townie needs to broadcast his towniness to the rest of the town.

[csarmi]

VoteCount Day03#01

 

 

 

01 - Peace:

02 - Cloud:

03 - Krak:

04 - GoldenEyes

05 - TommyRod:

06 - Leelou:

07 - Theodora Key:

08 - Elffern:

09 - Hally:

10 - BFG:

11 - Via:

12 - Nolder:

13 - BlackHoof: -> Krak

14 - Turin

 

 

Krak - 1 - Hoof

 

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Not voting: The rest of ya lazy folks.

5 to lynch.

No deadline set.

[_CLOUD]

 

 

As I said, I've seen that type of play lead to worse and I no longer subscribe to it.

If I claim my role these days I try to make it count for something other than saving my own skin.

Most of the time anyway, that is not a catch all.

 

I disagree with you that it is bad play. If a PR is about to get themselves lynched, surely it is better to claim than die? It is not ideal by any means, but it is a confirmed townie, hardly useless.

 

Well you've practically answered your own question.

In my case specifically I wouldn't have been confirmed (I'm still not) so that counts for nothing here.

As for any PR claiming to get out of being lynched, it is definitely situational and I am not saying never do it.

I am saying it should not be the default response to being lynched. As I outlined before a town that runs people up, gets a claim, and then backs down and moves on is only creating a tool the mafia can use to exploit them and out most or all of their roles. Additionally there is no reason to believe any claim in most cases. This is part of the situational thing but do you not think that a mafia who was being ran up on day 1 would claim cop or doc to try to out them for their team? That is the standard tactic. If I claimed doctor, why believe me? It's in towns interest for the real doctor not to counter and reveal themselves so early right? So it's not like there would be a CC if I was fake and mafia would have played up that angle to push my lynch. I was at L-1 so it's not like it would have taken much. These are why I did not claim then and why I think that was the right move.

 

 

This makes sense.

 

 

 

Nolder & BFG, what do you guys think of this angle?  Do you think it's valid, or should I drop it?

 

I still think Tommy, Krak, or Hoof is scum. In my experience when you're scum and giving reads you generally name at least one of your scumbuddies as scum.

 

 

Krak is mafia. Tommy is town. Hoof can still go either way. Quite simple actually :P

 

 

##Vote Krak

[_CLOUD]

 

Elf's D1 posts come accross as town to me - she hasn't posted to the same amount since (dropping off of activity would usually draw my attention a bit) but we know why that was, so that turns into a null - so going with a town read on elf.

Knowing elf was town and this came before the MK, makes me shift Via back toward town. So I guess I'm at null to a little town on her. IMO, Elf would be an easy vote for mafia. She was gone awhile and BFG, who is known as town, was already voting her.

 

You should look at the reasoning Via uses to declare Effie town. 

 

If you look hard enough you will notice that she doesn't mention any. She only says that she has started posting less which doesn't say anything about her allignment.

 

How can you find this town behavior?

[Elaevia]

Cloud, if you read my post again you'll see I said that I thought Elf's day one activity was towny. that is the reasoning I used.
 
 

Well, I am good with a Krak lynch tomorrow.

Will post some thoughts after work.

 
the nexts posts are him quoting all of Krak's posts, and talk about search / ISO
 

Another interesting choice with Leelou.

 
then he says Krak isn't that suspicious:

will do so next time :P
 
 
on reread though, Krak is looking less scummy. honestly, was that all I had on him that made me suspicious? ugh

 

I really am quite wishy-washy this game

then votes me:
 

Looks like Via is the way to go for today, imo.



I would have to reread to see if your accusation of no analysis applies to Via, but I am willing to vote her for the inactivity anyway. ##vote Via

Well that was a good response from via, she certainly is analysing. It is a start.

Since elf is town, that leaves cloud, tommy, via, krak and peace.
Two of them must be mafia.

Out of all, I think thst I will go for krak
##vote krak

so he goes from wanting to vote Krak, to deciding he was not that suspicous and voting me, and back to Krak: if you didn't think krak was that suspicous hoof, why are you now voting him?
 

[_CLOUD]

What did you find townie about her play?

[Blackhoof]

He is the best choice of the bunch. You were previously, but now that has changed for the nonce.

[keyholder21]

@Cs - I haven't voted anyone today I don't think.

[keyholder21]

 

 

 

Nolder & BFG, what do you guys think of this angle? Do you think it's valid, or should I drop it?

 

I still think Tommy, Krak, or Hoof is scum. In my experience when you're scum and giving reads you generally name at least one of your scumbuddies as scum.

Krak is mafia. Tommy is town. Hoof can still go either way. Quite simple actually :P

 

 

##Vote Krak

I didn't ask you.

[keyholder21]

 

 

 

Elf's D1 posts come accross as town to me - she hasn't posted to the same amount since (dropping off of activity would usually draw my attention a bit) but we know why that was, so that turns into a null - so going with a town read on elf.

Knowing elf was town and this came before the MK, makes me shift Via back toward town. So I guess I'm at null to a little town on her. IMO, Elf would be an easy vote for mafia. She was gone awhile and BFG, who is known as town, was already voting her.

You should look at the reasoning Via uses to declare Effie town.

 

If you look hard enough you will notice that she doesn't mention any. She only says that she has started posting less which doesn't say anything about her allignment.

 

How can you find this town behavior?

If I look hard enough? I can read, thanks.

 

I already explained why I thought Via looked town due to that. Also, you are misrepping Via. Did you actually read what she said? She did give a reason and it wasn't due to elf's drop in activity.

 

Elaboration that you asked for, however, would be welcome from her.

[BFG]

@Key, unfortunately I haven't had much experience as mafia so can't say what they do normally , the one game I had when I was (excluding the cult game where I was converted last minute) I avoided mentioning my team mates as much as possible during Day 1 and 2, as numbers dwindled it became harder to do. 

[peacesells]

I don't think Blackhoof has been wishy-washy at all.  I think he has been opportunistic.  He regularly attacks the latest flavor of the game then back tracks when steam on that player is lost.