[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[WWWwombat]

Night actions, please.  Don't make me set a deadline.

[TheRagnarok]

Ok fine. Death is on its way! But to whooooom?

[hazelkrs1]

Darthe, Karla, Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof, has been lynched.

I got a new acronym for y'all DMers: WIDTD.

 

As in, When In Doubt, Trust Despo.

 

 

More thoughts in a bit obviously.

[TheRagnarok]

Me killing Cloud was more impressive. 

 

#humility

#notbragging

#YOLOshots

[hazelkrs1]

Ok fine. Death is on its way! But to whooooom?

Really quick tho- I dunno if youre trying to wifom this thing for the mafia team or not, but seriously, keep your freaking quack hands away from me

[TheRagnarok]

But I wanna TOUCH YOUR BOOOODDDDDYYYY

[hazelkrs1]

Get in line, buddy

[TheRagnarok]

And if you are town(which I find you to be) and think I may be wifoming scum...don't bring it up. 

[John Snow]

RL came up, finishing read now.

[hazelkrs1]

And if you are town(which I find you to be) and think I may be wifoming scum...don't bring it up. 

 

 

I know how to play bro. I tried disrupting your wifom on purpose, because I SERIOUSLY don't want you to protect me tonight. You could guess wrong and kill me, which would suck, but more importantly town would have a lot to gain with my death. If I died and you didn't target me, town would know that there isn't a normal Doc most likely (cause a real Doc would be a complete dolt to not protect me tonight), making your claim look better. Plus, however I flip (sanitywise I mean) would also tell town if they could trust my viewings or not, and also potentially make Peace look better or worse.

[hazelkrs1]

Dunno why it took me so long to be able to iso Turin using the CSmethod. Thought for a sec he spelled it in Tolkien runes or something

 

Unfortunately, ran out of time. Will try and post my iso of him when I get home if I don't fall asleep first.

 

But pretty sure he's scum. Oh and Mish too. And I kept forgetting to respond to her, so really quick:

 

I viewed Rags N1. I viewed Tina N2. I have never stated any different. Me saying "I viewed Tina and Rag" does not in any way indicate which night I viewed them, and frankly, it's somewhat obvious you were grasping at straws with that whole argument.

 

Will try to do them both when I get home. Toodles.

[csarmi]

Any preference for my jailing tonight?

[michellem]

I'm *this* close to kicking you right now Csarmi

[hazelkrs1]

Turin iso:

 

Hello. Would it be possible to get a rundown of all the claims with actions taken by the claimants?

I will go through this and see what I think.

 

Asks for claims

 

# # vote Rags

 

Votes Rags, no explanation given at the time

 

 

 

Did you not read this, Csarmi?

 

 

Alright so CS's claim def throws a wrinkle into things, and atm I'm inclined to believe it since it could explain why he has been going after Rags so strong today. However, even if he is telling the truth, it doesn't necessarily mean Rags is mafia.

 

Now, to weigh in really quick- I don't really like some of Rags reaction to this news, like for instance how he tried defending himself by saying no one else had come forward and claimed to have been Jailed... even tho Mish had already explained that we don't usually find out from the mod if we're Jailed on DM, and also ignoring the fact that it was never proven that there is a redirector role, or that even if someone was Jailed instead, and knew it, they still might not want to reveal (if they were scum or a PR trying to stay hidden). I also really don't like how Rags announced his target for tonight beforehand, struck me as very scummy. Firstly it's antitown to announce your targets beforehand in pretty much any situation. Second, it could have been to try and make himself look more town ("I'm so convinced this guy is scum for going after poor innocent me that Imma kill him tonight!"). Lastly, it's completely ignoring the possibility that CS is town as well as Rags, and that there is a redirector ability or something that caused the confusion.

 

That being said, I still think Darthe is the better lynch today. Here's why:

 

Lynch Darthe, and...

1. He flips scum, which would mean that Peace is either scum or an Insane Cop. So we'd either get two scum, or a kind of vetted Insane Cop, which is really just as useful as a normal Cop once verified. Another possibility would be that there is a redirector ability of some kind.

2. He flips town, and we have strong evidence that Peace is either scum that fake CC'ed, a "hard" Cop (which I personally find extremely unlikely, considering the rarity of the role, and the known presence of a Deputy and myself as a Cop as well), or that their is a redirector role of some kind that fooled with Peace's results.

 

Lynch Rags and...

1. He flips scum, and we'd pretty much have CS vetted as a Jailkeeper, and possibly know of the presence of another mafia team (unlikely tome given theme, the format of Wombat listing Cloud as mafia, and the size of the game).

2. He flips town, and we'd have strong evidence that either CS is mafia, who fake claimed mebbe to save teammate Darthe, or that there is some kind of redirector ability present.

 

Basically, we get a lot more out of either scenario in Darthe's lynch. So I'm keeping my vote on him. I still have a town viewing on Rags, with at least one GF already dead, so for now I'm.... ooh quick thought- Rags could be a Nexus. Could explain both my town view on him, as well as CS Jailing him but apparently not preventing the kill. Nexus is kinda OP tho, doubt the scum team would have both a GF AND a Nexus... which brings us again back to the possibility of a second mafia team. Grrrrr. Anyways, until we get evidence of a second mafia team, or until it becomes apparent that town is powered heavily enough to justify a scum team having both a GF AND a Mirror or Nexus, I'm trusting my viewing on him. As with Tina.

 

The info from a Rags lynch looks more conclusive than the info from a Darthe lynch IMO. Also as Rags is a claimed killer (to me CPR doc is really just a vig that might have his kill fail if someone else targets the same person)  

 

Also, my 2 cents on the double cops issue. It makes more sense to me that if one is flawed the other could be more powered. I have been in games with a cop that couldn't be misdirected so I can see that it is possible to have one where the cop can see thru a GF. Additionally if one is faking I am leaning more likely that it is Despo (who will say I am tunneling on him). I will go through why I think that later as it is not going to be a case where either cop claim is lynched this day I think.

 

 As far as Rags v. Darthe: if we are going to test one or the other, I think Rags flips (either way, but I am leaning he is more likely to be mafia than Darthe) will provide more and better information about more people. It gives a much clearer view of Despo's cop ability (i did notice that the quality of his view is NOT mentioned in the rag flips information) some info on CS's claim  (although I don't really see how it is there to save Darthe. One could say the same about Despo's claim being an attempt to save Rags) 

 

Thanks for the list Tina. Despo you said you viewed Rags N1 and Tina N2 right?

 

 

First bold: Turin does this several times, I noticed during his iso. He says Rags would be a better info lynch many times, without often explaining why.

 

Italics: Not only does he says that I am likely the one that's lying if that is the case, but he also includes a bit about me saying he's tunneling me, proactively trying to defend an argument before it is thrown, and he doesn't say WHY I would be faking since neither cop claim looks like it will be lynched today

 

Underlined: He already said once this post, two paragraphs ago in fact, that Rags would be a better info lynch. Pretty much says the same thing again, again without saying WHY it would give better info (I clearly and rationally explained why Darthe was a better lynch (info and scum-candidate) up to and during his lynch)

 

Second bold: Rags flip actually wouldn't have given a clearer view of my ability, and I explained why already (Peace had already had one of his "viewings" tested, another would confirm {for him} his sanity). Rags flips, town or scum, would not have confirmed my sanity. I still coulda been a Naive cop, or a Paranoid cop, etc. I would have ideally needed a guilty on someone to check as well. 

 

 

Pretty much this is my take on things.

 

With so many claimed PRs, I'm trying to sort them out with what I see as plausible.

 

If Rag is a legit CPR Doc, without another Doc claim on the table, I can see how this would fit in the set-up with Des being a Cop and Verb being a back-up since Rag would have the potential of possibly saving or killing one of them depending on if the mafia shot at them at night. This scenario makes me think that Peace is fake-claiming Cop and that CS is also lying.

 

My feelings are reinforced with this based on how Peace is hesitant to test his own claim by lynching one of his viewings after knowing that he got a potentially false one with Cloud, but also self-voting earlier on.

 

CS's claim is a bit hard to swallow over all. Introducing a theory that there are two mafia teams without prior evidence is just sorta... eh. I don't find this likely with a 15 player game unless the two teams are very small, two apiece at most.

Why could the protector not be the jailer. it protects from kills and doesn't run the risk of killing the target. 

 

I can see it as easily as Des faking. In the initial back and forth with peace, it was Des that seemed to be trying hard to stay alive not trusting that the truth would vindicate him. He also backed off to switch to Darthe in a way that appeared to me to be that he was not looking to actually resolve the situation. just trying to stay alive after he had temporarily saved Rags. add in  he has been unwilling to test his view on Rags. Personally I have a more town view of Darthe than Rag. So I am saying if gonna test a view, that is the one to pick. 

 

I could actually see 3v3v9 in a 15 player game. If the roles were right. Mafia is likely to work against each other as well as town since they must achieve victory by killing everyone else. The evidence was the second kill. to just believe that what Rags claims is the way it is seems a bit over trusting. 

 

 

Lends support to CS's claim, and by doing so also questions Rags' claim a bit.

 

Says he could see me faking again. Says I tried hard to stay alive (I wasn't), and that my switch to Darthe looked bad (it wasn't, I realized it was the better move. Why risk a PR when you can test it's claim with a vanilla that also happens to seem scummy?)

 

Says he has "more of" a town view on Darthe than Rags

 

And also supports CS's idea about two scum teams.

 

And, something else: He says he thinks it's silly that people are accepting Rags' claim so easily, when he himself accepted CS's immediately (look at first line of his post)

 

AJ, why did you just say "the opposing mafia team"? that kind of signifies two and that you are on one of them.

 

Tries to twist something that AJ said when he was speaking in hypotheticals

 

Darthe, Can you give them again please?

 

Asks for reads from Darthe (I had been as well, this could have been a distancing maneuver from him however)

 

Rags, why do you assume that only one member of the mafia team(s) can kill? that is not the norm here. Is it where you play? 

 

Asks Rags about his past experience. Kinda funny that between the two, Turin trusted Darthe over Rags, yet here he asks a question without implying scummy intent. Just kind of an open-ended softball post. Fake scumhunting alert.

 

No. here it is more likely that any member of the team can submit the kill. Totally at MOD discretion of course. 

 

Do you think Darthe is mafia? 

 

Asks Rags if he thinks Darthe is mafia. Now, another thing I noticed during Turin's isos and checking out a couple of Darthe's posts in there, both of them start pushing the importance of Rags NOT hammering. This actually got me thinking there could have maybe even been some kind of collusion between all three of them for a sec, but eh I still will trust my viewing till we actually know of something to make me doubt it.

 

is like deadline rapidly approaching? 

 

Asks about deadline. Done a lot of asking this game, not necessarily hardcore mafia questions, but more "Im a townie looking for answers" questions.

 

Who did snow replace? I missed that totally?

 

See what I mean?

 

 

 

No. here it is more likely that any member of the team can submit the kill. Totally at MOD discretion of course. 

 

Do you think Darthe is mafia? 

So if it could be any member...why would I fake being the one who did it when my scum faction could instead use the same claim to try and clear the member who did do it?  That's easily the smartest option.

 

His claim was very odd but I've found that scum likes to fakeclaim more standard type roles because odd roles are met with skepticism and they don't want that added skepticism.  So that makes me think he is telling the truth.

 

Re: Dar5the, I disagree that 1x RB is an odd role. RB is one of the more standard roles here. Also disagree that mafia don't mind claiming something a little odd as the old "why would I claim that?" line is immediately available. In fact that is a part  the argument AJ is using in his case doubting Peace. that he added the twist to make it more believable by making it harder to make sense of.

 

As to the main point. This is how I interpret CS:

 

He claims he is a jailkeeper(RB/Doc).

He jailed Rags N2.

Rags claims a kill N2, something that can not happen if he is in jail.

There were two kills on N2. This leads one to believe in possibilty of two teams.

A GF died.

Almost anyone that claims a kill in any manner is likely to get viewed. Who doesn't mind being viewed? a GF.

 

Hence Rags is a GF and not a CPR doc

 

 

. The fact that it turns out he has already been viewed by Despo makes it even more interesting as it give info about either Depo's sanity or alignment. also gives big clues into CS' alignment. (both barring the possibility of a switcher)

 

Best case in this situation: we find a mafia and have leads on more of his team.

Worst case we lose what is essentially a vig that could very well end up killing possible investigators by accident.

 

 

Generally focuses on Rags lynch being better throughout, doesn't really cover at all how the Darthe lynch would give info about Peace.

 

Oh, and then also proof of two teams. with two GF's

 

Pushes the Rags = GF angle again, which again NEGATES THE IDEA OF USING HIS LYNCH TO TEST ME. If he WAS a GF, then we would have learned nothing of my sanity or alignment.

 

This disconnect shown between the workings of his own "case" illustrate his disconnect between his scum self and his "townie" self.

 

That fits but man is it wild.

Guys, we have another day here. I will get my reads up in a bit but don't kill me. Rag is a better choice for the day. Mafia instead of info.

 

Darthe posts this right after Turin's last two posts. Buys Turin's story, "but man is it wild" (translation: he didn't want to make it too obvious he was backing Turin up).

 

Also sort of "answers" Turin's plea for reads with an excuse that he will get them up soon ("but don't kill me"!). Don't remember ever seeing Darthe give a full set of reads...

 

Mish, are you convinced there is a switcher/bus driver in the game? It is possible but no one has claimed it and there has been no concrete evidence of one to date.

 

Asks Mish if she is convinced of a redirector ability. Could be fishing (if mafia has a redirector ability, they might suspect town of having one too mebbe).

 

Where has he positively lied? He called you a liar for claiming a kill while in jail. So you are basically calling each other liars. That Despo and AJ seem to be your main defenders doesn't sit well with me as I find them quite likely mafia as well. The fact that Darthe has sat so long at L-1 for so long is telling. Even rags hasn't hammered him.

If you want cs dead so bad and you are telling the truth then you could just vote Darthe secure the lynch and make your cs kill.

You appear to beating a dead horse for the day. Just like if I tried to start a train on AJ for his opposing mafia team line. It just ain't gonna hunt today.

Darthe, if you don't give your reads I'm gonna hammer you myself.

 

Bold: Actually, someone sitting at L-1 for a while IS telling. And it's usually telling you that that dude is scum, since if he was town, a mafia would have been totally fine with coming up and hammering (even if there were two mafia teams) with the quickness a long time ago.

 

Also pushes that angle of Rags not hammering meaning something (remember that from the beginning?).

 

Threatens to hammer Darthe if he doesn't give reads. This lets Turin act all tough to Darthe without actually having to have him lynched. Blatant distancing attempt.

 

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And that's it.

 

And I could fetch it again and might, but remember that he replaced Lenlo, who I did an iso on before (essentially offered nothing to the game, disappeared after Darthe laid off of him).

 

So Darthe goes after Lenlo early on, says he is obvious scum and Darthe 1 Mafia 0 bs, then suddenly stops going after him, gets called out for this later (by me) and says Lenlo has gone hiding... then when Turin replaces back in and supports Rags lynch instead of Darthe's, Darthenever brings Lenlo back up or questions Turin's alignment. Makes the thing with him and Lenlo earlier look totes staged.

 

Mish is coming up, but... yeahhhh. Turinscum looks pretty evident.

[hazelkrs1]

Mish iso:
 
Didn't grab every single one of her posts, but the main ones that stood out to me.
 
 

 

How well does anyone know the theme? I am not really good on it. Womby says it doesn't matter but it is still of interest.

 
I hadn't even caught on that there was a theme based on something real... Lol. So I know absolutley nothing.

 

 
This is significant because early on, when Darthe was forcing his meta with all the early town reads, he asked the thread if anyone had theme knowledge. AJ replied that he didn't, and from that one post Darthe declared him town. Then Mish comes out and says she also doesn't know anything about it... could be something there, especially for her first post of the game.
 

Now. AJ, way too aggresive compared to how I'm used to see him D1. Not been able to put my finger on ho w it makes me think about his alignement; I gotta go back and look at his first initial posts in context. I've read page 1-6 a post here and a post there when I had time, and then from page 6 and out now in one sitting, so I gotta get it all looked at in one go. But he is being very aggresive and loud compared to what I'm used to, so watching him.
 
I've got slight town leans on Des, Cloud and Tina so far. Not sure how I feel about Verb, he's being more vocal than I expect, and mostly posting spam and fluff when not trying to go for Cloud. Leelou is also a bit more in spam-mode than I expect from her. The rest is mostly null reads, nothing that's stuck out. We'll see if that changes after a re-read later tonight.

 
The peeps she casts aspersion on in this post: AJ, Verb, Leelou.
 
She says she has town leans on myself, Cloud, and Tina (Cloud flipped scum GF)
 

Verb; Cloud usually always starts off games very serious, it's a null tell for him. He also tends to be a bit of a tunneller D1, also a null tell. That's why I'm feeling he's town; he gets a lot more vocal and tunnelling if he's mafia. It's still on a level that reads to me as town.

 
 

No, it's WAY more when he's mafia, and it comes across as more forced.

 
Defends Cloud more
 

I'm not a D1 player
 
Wich I'm working at changing, I hope people have noticed that lately! But I'm struggling with separating this thread from the Walking Dead (and I see I'm not the only one *pokes Des*) and so I've given the other one more of my attention to get the proper feel for one at a time.
 
I agree with you about Verb though. He keeps switching his reason for why he thinks Cloud is scummy (first it was "you are too serious for this early in the game" and then it was "for chastising AJ for being so serious early"). And he doesn't say much about anyone else.
 
I will also
##Vote Verb

 
Votes Verb, from D1. Tbh, I don't have a problem with this post really, or her vote in general on Verbal. He misplayed his claim, his game, and something else rhyming with same. It could have been scum Mish picking at a townie flubbing up, or it could have been a townie following the wrong people and genuinely thinking she found something on someone.
 

(edited out Mish's case on Verb. It was a good one tho. To see it, you can click on the arrow to the top right of the post.)

 
^Mish's case on Verb
 

 

I haven't seen a Town RB before, and I can't think of a way having one for Town would balance the game unless the Mafia had a Role Cop or some sort of mechanism where only 1 was allowed to submit NKs at a time, or some other weird combo I haven't thought up yet. Redirector, etc. Otherwise a Town RB would only serve to block Town night actions. Mafia having a RB fits for obvious reasons.

 
I had a town roleblocker in my Hunger Games. It's quite common. It can block the NK, a janitor, the mafia roleblocker and so on.
 
 
 
That said, I'm not sure I've seen a 1xroleblocker in an advanced game before. I'm choosing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

 
Soft defends Darthe's RB'er claim, while also distancing from it potentially.
 
Also something important: At the very end of the post, she says "I'm choosing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now", them referring to Darthe and Verbal, the two that had claimed by that point. This is important in a little bit.
 

 

Very early aggressiveness is not an attribute that I find scum having very often.  If that is the basis of the argument on Cloud..that's pretty weak.

 
Yeah I agree with this... I think every scum team I've been on, are more than happy to sit back D1 and prod slightly at the townies to make them tear each other apart.

 

 
Agrees with Peace that scum aren't usually aggressive early.
 
And yet, a big part of the reason she was pushing at AJ early on in the game was because he was ... aggressive.
 
Hmmmm.
 

It was the tunneling on Cloud with the changing story, and the flippant, spammy attitude, that I'm not used to seeing from you, it felt like a deliberate change in meta. I feel better about you now after your posts since nightfall. I still think you're wrong about Cloud though.

 
Defends Cloud more
 

Well that's L-1. Might as well get this over with, I don't feel like we're gonna be able to move on before we get an answer here.
 
##Verb

 
Hammers Verb D2. Remember her saying not that long before that that she was gonna give them the benefit of the doubt, one of them being Verb. She does end day vurrrrry quickly btw, altho I do agree with her that there honestly wasn't much point in dragging it out.
 

I also decided to try the same tactis on Cloud that I often try on Des... Some buddying to see if he called me out on it. I think he would have as mafia, as town I think he'll be more likely to just keep an eye on me to see if it went over the line so it becomes a scumtell from me. Of course I don't think it works on Des anymore, since I've explained that I do it But it gave me a good feeling about Cloud that he mostly ignored it.

 
Got a good feeling from Cloud that he didn't call her out for buddying him.
 

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Okay now THIS is interesting. If you check out the whole exchange that happened after Peace's CC, it could end up being a work of art. Check it out:
 
(I collapsed all the other quotes after Peace's into one quote to clean this post up a bit, but if you want you can just click on the arrow on the Peace quote and go to the page yourself for reference)
 

I viewed Darthe N1.  Innocent.
 
I viewed Cloud N2.  Here's the strange thing.  I got a guilty view on him..and shouldn't have considering he was a GF.  I asked Wombat if this read was a mistake and he said it wasn't.
 
There is only one explanation that I can think of for that..and that is I'm a Paranoid cop...but paranoid cops always get a scum viewing.  And I got an innocent viewing of Darthe N1.  So that doesn't make since.  
 
I don't know if there is a role out there that can help me get an accurate read on a godfather.

 
 

Tina: You could be a random cop or an insane cop.

Darthe: Sounds like you could be a hard cop Peace.

Mish: Wow. Ok. This was a bit much to digest right after waking up. I'm more inclined to believe Peace here.
  ## Vote Des

Darthe: agreed. ##Des

Peace: What is a "hard cop?"  Darthe?

Darthe: view through godfathers.  it has other titles but essentially the town cop version of a mafia strongman.

Peace: what would be the point of a GF then?

Mish: Well the deputy (Verb) might not have become a hard cop.

Peace: true...

Now, I don't think Tina's post was involved in this btw.
 
But look at the whole thing, how it unfolds so beautifully. If Darthe, Peace, and Mish were all scum together, I'd almost wanna clap my hands for how excellent of a performance they give here in this little exchange. Each one sets the next up so perfectly, seemingly leading you to come to the only conclusion that fits...
 
Bravo.
 
Anyways, not only does Mish set up some of the outs for Peace if Darthe or myself ended up flipping, but she also helps create the situation to make it seem like I was lying, and has a bandwagon vote in there for good measure.

 

I'll roll.
 
##unvote vote Darthe
 
 
We can figure out Des/Peace tomorrow.

 
Bandwagons onto Darthe, altho a good vote. Unfortunately...
 

My experience is jailings work like doc protects and roleblocks... (d'uh, since it's a combo). You won't be told if you're jailed. The only way to know, is if you have an action, say a viewing or tracker or whatever, where you normally would get a feedback from the mod, and you get none.
 
 
 
I have no idea what to think of Rags and Csarmi's claims though. The fact is, there was two deaths, Cloud the godfather was one of them, and so we know there was two kills, and it's highly unlikely that the mafia had two shots and used one of them to shoot their godfather. So we either have a killer, another 1-shot vig or a SK, wich shot Cloud (that isn't Rags), but if Rags is mafia, why claim the kill, when there is a big chance someone will counterclaim it? Or we have two mafia teams, but I feel like we're two few players to have two mafia teams both with a NK the same night (my only experience with this is Darthe's werewolf game). Or, and I find this highly unlikely, Dap had a delay on his kill (making it more like a poison kill than a vig kill), but like I said, it's extremely unlikely, but I'm looking at all angles here. Or, we have a busdriver that drove Rags with someone else (making Csarmi's jailer-action hit someone else than Rags).
 
Thinking about it, I find the busdriver to be the most logical. But, if that happened, and Des is a sane cop, that means he didn't actually view Rags, but another person, since that was the same night. The times I've been mafia with a busdriver role, it's mostly been used to switch a mafia and a townie in the spotlight, in case either of them get viewed (get rid of a townie, or protect a mafia with an innocent-viewing). Yes, I feel that is the most logical answer. Actually,
 
##unvote vote Rags

 
She switches to Rags after CS's claim.
 
Also, gets confused about which night I viewed Rags (before this I had already answered Tina that I viewed her N2).
 

I forgot to put my vote bck on Darthe <.<
 
##Vote Darthe

 
*forgot to put her vote back on Darthe*
 
Eh. 
 

I wonder if Pral waas trying for some town cred by his Cloud vote D1.

 
I'm kinda leaning more towards the opposite tbh. Think he might have been of the thinking that a no lynch wouldn't really hurt that much without a random kill w/ no coroner. Being newer, he might not have realized that it's pretty much always better to secure a lynch.
 

 

That's not correct Rags. I already gave multiple examples why he could be mistaken

He could have been RB'ed, either by a scum team or a town Blocker.

You could have been bussed with someone else, so he ended up Jailing someone else (mebbe a mafia member). Since I viewed you N1 and he Jailed you N2, there wouldnt necessarily be a conflict in my views or his NA's

 
I thought you said you viewed Rags N2. You stated your views as "Tina, Rags". I would think you stated them in the order you viewed them.

 

 
Here's where she begins asking about the order of my views, assumes that because I say "Tina, Rags" that means I viewed them in that order. It doesn't, but incidentally Mish I realized why I had said them in that order: that's the order they come in on the player list on the front page. I was glancing back and forth at that to try and limit the scum pool.
 

Are my post being hidden or something? I seem to remember giving direct comments to Des, Csarmi and Pral, and yet none of them acknowledge me. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

 
Asks me to respond to her... I kept forgetting hehe
 

I would guess that clears both Des and Peace.

 

 

 

How do you mean?

 
 

I wouldn't say Peace by any means.
 
His resistance to lynch Darthe yesterday as one of his 'innocent' views after knowing he got a mixed view of Cloud was pretty sketchy.
 
Turin doesn't look too great IMO either. He avoided the Darthe wagon pretty hard yesterday.

 
^Exactly. (both of them)
 

Good point; it could have been a major gambit to make Peace look good. But I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
 
But Des I would say is cleared. He's gone after Darthe quite strongly. I still want Des to answer me on wich night he viewed Rags though, because he's given what I feel are contradictory answers there.
 
I also still want Csarmi to tell me why he isn't willing to consider the possiblity of a redirector/bus driver.
 
I also want Pral to comment on my answer on his suspicions on me. He does not look very good at the moment at all. Two outlier votes at the end of two days, and he's very eager to push on me, but not willing to follow it up. Tsk.

A major gambit?!?! Peace CC'ed my cop claim with a sketchy one of his own, had an out for why Darthe might flip scum with his stuff about Cloud viewing as GF, and Darthe ends up flipping scum. If it was a "major gambit", it's because you were trying to help set it up.

Otherwise, it doesn't look like a major gambit at all, implying some expert claim. It looks like a fairly transparent mafia play to try and clear heat off yourself and another teammate potentially (before Peace's CC, I had claimed, was very suspicious of Darthe and had cased and voted Peace. Btw, Peace has yet to respond to my original case on him (before his CC)).

 

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Not quite as bad-looking as Turinscum right now, but her multiple posts defending Cloud, bandwagon voting style of late, admitting to following others, and buying of Peace's claim and thinking of him as cleared all make me feel very uncomfortable about Mish.

[hazelkrs1]

Anddddd my work is done. Think the deadline is comin up once Wombat wakes up anyways, and I have already submitted my NA anyways and... wait a sec. Almost revealed who I'd be viewing. Silly me. There could still be a redirector out there.

 

So which one was it, mafia team? Mish, or Turin?

 

 

 

 

 

Tune in next week tomorrow, when I'm hopefully still alive

 

 

/:hopper: out

[hazelkrs1]

/ out

[hazelkrs1]

Message to all games: I'm now off work for 4 days, so I might be a little less active than normal, but will be back at work monday night.

[TheRagnarok]

Morning all.

 

Very good stuff Des.  As for the WIFOM response...I also know how to play. 

[WWWwombat]

Sup doods.  I'm gonna get a scene up in a sec.  My comp has been acting funny today.

[WWWwombat]

Rags looked around, trying to get his bearings.  He was lost.  He'd never been to this part of the city, and he hated it.  He couldn't tell where he was going in this warren of crooked alleyways and husks of buildings.  He decided to head west and see if he could find the wall that surrounded London proper.  That felt right.  And he trusted his instincts.  He'd been right about Haydon hadn't he?  Rags scrambled over a bit of rubble and ducked out of the condemned building and into another alley.  He heard quick footsteps behind him.  He was being pursued.  He turned a corner and bolted.  Unfortunately, after the next corner, Rags' feet slid in something squishy and smelly, and he went tumbling forward into a pile of refuse.  Rags immediately tried to hop to his feet, but he'd sprained his ankle and it took a few precious seconds.  Rags looked around for his piece and medkit and saw them back where he'd slipped.  Standing next to them was a man with a gun.  The man leveled the gun at Rags.  Rags turned sideways and shuffled at him, ignoring his throbbing ankle.  The man calmly drew a shallow breath, exhaled, and fired.

 

 

 

 

Ragnarok, Roy Bland, Town CPR Doctor, has been killed.

 

It is now Day 4.  With 9 remaining, it takes 5 to lynch.

[TheRagnarok]

Fun game guys!  Looking forward to next time!

[Niniel]

Des and Peace - what are your results? 

[csarmi]

@Tina: You didn't ask me - but I jailed you. Hope you enjoyed your night.

[csarmi]

Also, my theory is in ruins. No idea how.