[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[Andrej]

Or lynch Darthe. We've got 8 minutes.

 

Was that hammer or not?

[Verbal32]

 

Hahaha - he was talking about Darthe via AJ.  Heh, good point on that one.

 

 

My story doesn't change, though.  He's pushing the serious angle too early. Wanting to know how serious the vote on Krak was.  It looked pretty obvious to me that it couldn't possibly be that serious.

 

So you can continue your semantic argument all you want.  I had one name wrong - I was saying he pushed AJ, but that isn't accurate.  Although as you quoted above, he did speak about it regarding Tina & Rag (via Krak's quote above), so really it all boils down to the same story:  SO SRS too early.

 

Any other questions, or would you like to continue a semantic argument?

 

You just keep changing your story... I wanted to know how serious Darthe's town read on Krak was, which as I already explained I found very unlikely. You voted for me for being so serious, and later you said that you voted for me because I found AJ's votes on Krak and Tina too serious which isn't true at all. It isn't a semantic argument at all.

 

## vote Verbal

 

 

It is semantic when you look at it from Mish and I discussing it.  I don't know your motives and thoughts - so to me your focus on Darthe and AJ didn't look right.  Mish is picking on the details of the names I jumbled, but the message stays the same.

 

Like I said, semantics.

[Andrej]

@ Pral - Why aren't you voting?

[csarmi]

@Cloud: seriously? You come in and hammer, then unvote it?

@Verbal: no, I don't think it would...

[Pralaya]

Also, Mish trying to defend Cloud like anything (or going after verb, same thing)

Starts here
 

Now. AJ, way too aggresive compared to how I'm used to see him D1. Not been able to put my finger on ho w it makes me think about his alignement; I gotta go back and look at his first initial posts in context. I've read page 1-6 a post here and a post there when I had time, and then from page 6 and out now in one sitting, so I gotta get it all looked at in one go. But he is being very aggresive and loud compared to what I'm used to, so watching him.
 
I've got slight town leans on Des, Cloud and Tina so far. Not sure how I feel about Verb, he's being more vocal than I expect, and mostly posting spam and fluff when not trying to go for Cloud. Leelou is also a bit more in spam-mode than I expect from her. The rest is mostly null reads, nothing that's stuck out. We'll see if that changes after a re-read later tonight.

And, again
 

Now. AJ, way too aggresive compared to how I'm used to see him D1. Not been able to put my finger on ho w it makes me think about his alignement; I gotta go back and look at his first initial posts in context. I've read page 1-6 a post here and a post there when I had time, and then from page 6 and out now in one sitting, so I gotta get it all looked at in one go. But he is being very aggresive and loud compared to what I'm used to, so watching him.
 
I've got slight town leans on Des, Cloud and Tina so far. Not sure how I feel about Verb, he's being more vocal than I expect, and mostly posting spam and fluff when not trying to go for Cloud. Leelou is also a bit more in spam-mode than I expect from her. The rest is mostly null reads, nothing that's stuck out. We'll see if that changes after a re-read later tonight.

And, then she votes verb. I myself found it odd that Cloud was serious too early in the game but still he voted AJ for being serious. That is hypocritical and opportunistic.
 

I'm not a D1 player
 
Wich I'm working at changing, I hope people have noticed that lately! But I'm struggling with separating this thread from the Walking Dead (and I see I'm not the only one *pokes Des*) and so I've given the other one more of my attention to get the proper feel for one at a time.
 
I agree with you about Verb though. He keeps switching his reason for why he thinks Cloud is scummy (first it was "you are too serious for this early in the game" and then it was "for chastising AJ for being so serious early"). And he doesn't say much about anyone else.
 
I will also
##Vote Verb

There were talks about buddying between Darthe and AJ, but I find this buddying more interesting and suspicous.

##vote Cloud

[Pralaya]

@ Pral - Why aren't you voting?

 

I was on the way dude. Have patience

[_CLOUD]

I probably hammered him. I unvoted because he claimed a PR, but after reading about the Deputy in the Wiki it seems like a very easy fake claim.

[csarmi]

All votes and unvotes since last VC, I think. The last two was after hammer I believe.

 

 

 

Vote Count:

　

Tina(1): Ragnarok

Cloud(1): Verbal

Leelou(1): Pralaya

Darthe(2): Leelou, Despo

Verbal(5): Peace, Andrej, Krak, Tina, Mish

　

8 to lynch. Deadline is Monday at noon EST (roughly 22 hours from this post).

 

 

##unvote vote Darthe

 

Let's see what's up.

 

 

Cool. I like Dap too.

 

What is that now? AJ; Dap, Des, Krak for town, Len (less so since the claim) and potentially Leelou for mafia? Feels like a good list to me.

 

 

Not sure I'll be around for the deadline.

 

##vote Verbal

 

 

 

Hahaha - he was talking about Darthe via AJ.  Heh, good point on that one.

 

 

My story doesn't change, though.  He's pushing the serious angle too early. Wanting to know how serious the vote on Krak was.  It looked pretty obvious to me that it couldn't possibly be that serious.

 

So you can continue your semantic argument all you want.  I had one name wrong - I was saying he pushed AJ, but that isn't accurate.  Although as you quoted above, he did speak about it regarding Tina & Rag (via Krak's quote above), so really it all boils down to the same story:  SO SRS too early.

 

Any other questions, or would you like to continue a semantic argument?

 

You just keep changing your story... I wanted to know how serious Darthe's town read on Krak was, which as I already explained I found very unlikely. You voted for me for being so serious, and later you said that you voted for me because I found AJ's votes on Krak and Tina too serious which isn't true at all. It isn't a semantic argument at all.

 

## vote Verbal

 

 

 

## Unvote

 

 

Also, Mish trying to defend Cloud like anything (or going after verb, same thing)

 

Starts here

 

Now. AJ, way too aggresive compared to how I'm used to see him D1. Not been able to put my finger on ho w it makes me think about his alignement; I gotta go back and look at his first initial posts in context. I've read page 1-6 a post here and a post there when I had time, and then from page 6 and out now in one sitting, so I gotta get it all looked at in one go. But he is being very aggresive and loud compared to what I'm used to, so watching him.

 

I've got slight town leans on Des, Cloud and Tina so far. Not sure how I feel about Verb, he's being more vocal than I expect, and mostly posting spam and fluff when not trying to go for Cloud. Leelou is also a bit more in spam-mode than I expect from her. The rest is mostly null reads, nothing that's stuck out. We'll see if that changes after a re-read later tonight.

And, again

 

Now. AJ, way too aggresive compared to how I'm used to see him D1. Not been able to put my finger on ho w it makes me think about his alignement; I gotta go back and look at his first initial posts in context. I've read page 1-6 a post here and a post there when I had time, and then from page 6 and out now in one sitting, so I gotta get it all looked at in one go. But he is being very aggresive and loud compared to what I'm used to, so watching him.

 

I've got slight town leans on Des, Cloud and Tina so far. Not sure how I feel about Verb, he's being more vocal than I expect, and mostly posting spam and fluff when not trying to go for Cloud. Leelou is also a bit more in spam-mode than I expect from her. The rest is mostly null reads, nothing that's stuck out. We'll see if that changes after a re-read later tonight.

And, then she votes verb. I myself found it odd that Cloud was serious too early in the game but still he voted AJ for being serious. That is hypocritical and opportunistic.

 

I'm not a D1 player

 

Wich I'm working at changing, I hope people have noticed that lately! But I'm struggling with separating this thread from the Walking Dead (and I see I'm not the only one *pokes Des*) and so I've given the other one more of my attention to get the proper feel for one at a time.

 

I agree with you about Verb though. He keeps switching his reason for why he thinks Cloud is scummy (first it was "you are too serious for this early in the game" and then it was "for chastising AJ for being so serious early"). And he doesn't say much about anyone else.

 

I will also

##Vote Verb

There were talks about buddying between Darthe and AJ, but I find this buddying more interesting and suspicous.

 

##vote Cloud

 

 

[Darthe]

Nice one cloud.

[Pralaya]

Oh well, got niinja'd then. 

[Leelou]

No, Verbal was only at 7, lynch Darthe? 

[Leelou]

Verbal - Peace, Krak, Tina, Mish, Dap, Salami, Cloud

[csarmi]

Leelou is right actualy, was only L-1, didn't see AJ's unvote.

[Leelou]

Did we really just miss deadline? 

[Andrej]

I agree. That's L-2 now for Verb with Cloud's unvote. We missed the DL anyway

[Verbal32]

I probably hammered him. I unvoted because he claimed a PR, but after reading about the Deputy in the Wiki it seems like a very easy fake claim.

 

That's your inexperience talking.  If I'm claiming something to save my skin NOW, it is a role that is crucial to town NOW.  Not something that might never come to light.

[Verbal32]

I agree. That's L-2 now for Verb with Cloud's unvote. We missed the DL anyway

 

heh

[csarmi]

 

I agree. That's L-2 now for Verb with Cloud's unvote. We missed the DL anyway

 

heh

 

So how do you feel about it?

[Verbal32]

No way scum NKs me now, lol.  I'm a known quantity to them if they ever find the Cop.  Hell, they might still get me lynched tomorrow.

[Verbal32]

 

 

I agree. That's L-2 now for Verb with Cloud's unvote. We missed the DL anyway

 

heh

 

So how do you feel about it?

 

 

Glad to be alive, but we should have just lynched me to gain the voting analysis from my train.  And confirm my POV.

[_CLOUD]

Ok, read the entire thread.

 

This post by Cloud stood out for me during the read. Too aggressive during the "joke vote" phase, especially for Cloud.

Getting on to the AJ train was convenient at best.

I think we have played in enough games together for you to know that I tend to be fairly aggressive at the start of a game. This is also one of the reasons why I get lynched so often on Day 1 :P I went into detail why I thought that AJ is scum, but now you make it look as if I just sheeped my vote onto his train without giving any kind of explanation for why I think so.

 

 

Also, Mish trying to defend Cloud like anything (or going after verb, same thing)

 

Starts here

 

Now. AJ, way too aggresive compared to how I'm used to see him D1. Not been able to put my finger on ho w it makes me think about his alignement; I gotta go back and look at his first initial posts in context. I've read page 1-6 a post here and a post there when I had time, and then from page 6 and out now in one sitting, so I gotta get it all looked at in one go. But he is being very aggresive and loud compared to what I'm used to, so watching him.

 

I've got slight town leans on Des, Cloud and Tina so far. Not sure how I feel about Verb, he's being more vocal than I expect, and mostly posting spam and fluff when not trying to go for Cloud. Leelou is also a bit more in spam-mode than I expect from her. The rest is mostly null reads, nothing that's stuck out. We'll see if that changes after a re-read later tonight.

And, again

 

Now. AJ, way too aggresive compared to how I'm used to see him D1. Not been able to put my finger on ho w it makes me think about his alignement; I gotta go back and look at his first initial posts in context. I've read page 1-6 a post here and a post there when I had time, and then from page 6 and out now in one sitting, so I gotta get it all looked at in one go. But he is being very aggresive and loud compared to what I'm used to, so watching him.

 

I've got slight town leans on Des, Cloud and Tina so far. Not sure how I feel about Verb, he's being more vocal than I expect, and mostly posting spam and fluff when not trying to go for Cloud. Leelou is also a bit more in spam-mode than I expect from her. The rest is mostly null reads, nothing that's stuck out. We'll see if that changes after a re-read later tonight.

And, then she votes verb. I myself found it odd that Cloud was serious too early in the game but still he voted AJ for being serious. That is hypocritical and opportunistic.

 

I'm not a D1 player

 

Wich I'm working at changing, I hope people have noticed that lately! But I'm struggling with separating this thread from the Walking Dead (and I see I'm not the only one *pokes Des*) and so I've given the other one more of my attention to get the proper feel for one at a time.

 

I agree with you about Verb though. He keeps switching his reason for why he thinks Cloud is scummy (first it was "you are too serious for this early in the game" and then it was "for chastising AJ for being so serious early"). And he doesn't say much about anyone else.

 

I will also

##Vote Verb

There were talks about buddying between Darthe and AJ, but I find this buddying more interesting and suspicous.

 

##vote Cloud

 

 

I didn't vote for AJ because he was serious; I voted for him because I found his serious votes on Krak and Tina to be bs because they were based on both of their first game posts.

[_CLOUD]

 

I probably hammered him. I unvoted because he claimed a PR, but after reading about the Deputy in the Wiki it seems like a very easy fake claim.

 

That's your inexperience talking.  If I'm claiming something to save my skin NOW, it is a role that is crucial to town NOW.  Not something that might never come to light.

 

 

 Your role isn't crucial to town right now because it would only come into effect if the Cop dies. This is also the reason why it is such a good fake claim.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree. That's L-2 now for Verb with Cloud's unvote. We missed the DL anyway

 

heh

 

So how do you feel about it?

 

 

Glad to be alive, but we should have just lynched me to gain the voting analysis from my train.  And confirm my POV.

 

Agreed.

[Verbal32]

 

 

I probably hammered him. I unvoted because he claimed a PR, but after reading about the Deputy in the Wiki it seems like a very easy fake claim.

 

That's your inexperience talking.  If I'm claiming something to save my skin NOW, it is a role that is crucial to town NOW.  Not something that might never come to light.

 

 

 Your role isn't crucial to town right now because it would only come into effect if the Cop dies. This is also the reason why it is such a good fake claim.

 

 

No, you missed the point.  The point is to live NOW.  Claiming a backup role as scum does not do that.  People are more likely to unvote if you claim a PR that is in effect then and now.  Not something that could be important.

 

It's all about timing - claiming to save my skin if scum would mean I need to claim Cop or Doc....not Deputy.

[Leelou]

I still would have hammered you to secure a lynch. 

[Andrej]

 

 

 

4 mafia based on that? I've got Tina and Rag pegged for two.

Why in the world would you have Rag pegged? He literally just checked in 22 minutes before you "pegged" him. Here, I'll quote it for you:

Here, checking in, had a long day, will come back through tomorrow with detailed thoughts.

Want to explain why you have him pegged?

Sure. It's pretty simple, really. I'll give you the summary. He checks in, says he'll read later and then bounces. Doesn't comment on anything thus far just makes sure he has a post on thread so people couldn't say that he was inactive. I am disregarding the reason provided because RL is null in these games. Anything said on thread is game content, period.

 

can we just deal with this for a sec. You know people get emails for PMs and MODs tell people to check in, right? People check in all the time and only come back later

Examples

Vacation mafia, krak checks in and disappears. No comment from you.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83124-underworld-mafia-basic-game-over-town-wins/?p=2961960

No comment again....

So what makes this time different?

 

I don't remember the post from Krak you're talking about, but I do remember the Underworld game you linked there. It also sort of proves my point. Turin was scum that game and came in with that sort of post. Hence why I don't like them, as I explained already. I know nothing of Rag's play or meta, so I went with something I would consider a universal tell.

 

Dead horse.