[Basic] The Walking Dead Mafia - Game Over. Theo Wins!

[michellem]

God damnit. Read my posts properly. You don't understand what I'm saying, and THAT is not my responsibility right now.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

God damnit. Read my posts properly. You don't understand what I'm saying, and THAT is not my responsibility right now.

ok... lets say the mafia has a role blocker..... wouldnt they have used it to kill peace??? or are u saying he is one of them and his claim is false??

[Babar Hasan Khan]

God damnit. Read my posts properly. You don't understand what I'm saying, and THAT is not my responsibility right now.

 

k let me clarify it more.... when things happen at night or day... people come up with all outlandish theorys (2 mafias, lovers?, godfather? generals? bomb?) and we build up on that assumptions till some of them break  or we test some of them and we head out in a new direction.... we do that because we are uninformed

 

but u claimed to be a doctor... u should know exactly what happened.... u should push for one of the theories that u have come up with..... u wouldnt even mention the other two because u off all people would know thats not true.

 

and lets look at them individually

 

1. u had no choice but if u had no choice y... y in the world u would make a doctor claim with no or little pressure knowing full well u wont be able to protect golden the coming night??

2. u played a gambit..... self preservation is something that suits mafia more at low numbers.... we needed the cop more then a doctor..... we wouldnt have needed u after tonight... if golden had inspected a towny we would have his vote instead of u (assuming he didnt inspect the godfather with the probability of 1/5)... and if he would have inspected a mafia then great we wouldnt have needed golden after that assuming the last one is godfather.

3. roleblocker??? if u saved urself there is no way u would say there was even one to being with.... and wouldnt they have used it against the bomb... unless u think one of u is lying??

 

there was no need for us to come to this point.... first revealing urself unnecessarily, second knowing full well u couldn't protect golden.... u didnt take the gambit in the night.... no .. u already had taken it when u revealed ur role.... was it necessary to take that gambit at that time in the day???

 

i am now inclined to believe that peace might be an actual bomb... there is no point having two super townys that neither side can kill or would attempt to kill.... there has to be one

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Well..maybe Mish isn't the Doc.

 

I might have to eat some crow for Err after the game if Mish is scum considering what I thought about him pushing against Mish.

 

Her little emotional outburst admonishing Err about directing her NK gives her a great excuse to say she tried to wifom the target. 

 

Also had a little emotional outburst concerning Ishy too, acting like she was betrayed by him somehow. 

 

Starting to come together.  Could there be no DOC this game...now that would be a strange occurrence for DM.  I've seen it once or twice before..but it's been awhile.  May explain my role being present.  I should never have revealed.

see i find this interesting too

 

u posting this thought out argument within 20 minutes after the NK especially after saying u were going to bed an hour and a half before the NK to avoid about answering about Des is making u beep on my scumometer again.... if such a thing doesnt exit we should totally make one

 

so it seems u were not sleeping after all

[Babar Hasan Khan]

exist*

[peacesells]

Err. You might want to look at those time stamps again. There is at least a 10 hour difference between my 2 posts.

[peacesells]

Mish, you are getting really frustrated with Err. Do you have a town read on him?

 

 

Err, your 3 theory post on Mish-very interesting. You are either sharp town or very clever scum.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Err. You might want to look at those time stamps again. There is at least a 10 hour difference between my 2 posts.

yes u are right ... its am not pm

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Mish, you are getting really frustrated with Err. Do you have a town read on him?

 

 

Err, your 3 theory post on Mish-very interesting. You are either sharp town or very clever scum.

there is one more thing thats hard to swallow....

 

if Mish is actually a doctor who can not save two people in a row.... then y did she blabbed it out instead of actually lying that she took a bet and it didnt work..

 

because if u think about it... if we survive a lylo she couldnt save herself again in the coming night and will be NK..... and pooooffhhh goes her argument of saving a towny vote

[Andrej]

Vote Count 4.1

 

Not Voting: All yall.

 

6 alive. 4 to lynch.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

and if Mish turns out to be mafia... des could be the last one... because as a mafia he would know that there is no doctor at that stage (as no one counter claimed).... and golden wouldnt survive the night....

 

hence the whole speech about 

1. yes please inspect me....

2. even tough i think i might not survive the night...

 

way to aim for two bird with one post

[hazelkrs1]

Damn. Def didn't expect that.

 

I'm a little wary as well of Mish overexplaining what happened with her NA last night, and overexplaining is def a scumtell for her. But she's also AtE'ing as well, which is a towntell for her.

 

I'm gonna wait till I reread to vote however, this is obviously an important day for town. Gotta catch up in other games first.

[hazelkrs1]

and if Mish turns out to be mafia... des could be the last one... because as a mafia he would know that there is no doctor at that stage (as no one counter claimed).... and golden wouldnt survive the night....

 

hence the whole speech about 

1. yes please inspect me....

2. even tough i think i might not survive the night...

 

way to aim for two bird with one post

 

That was me trying to draw the NK btw. I might have been too obvious however, since it didn't work.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Damn. Def didn't expect that.

 

I'm a little wary as well of Mish overexplaining what happened with her NA last night, and overexplaining is def a scumtell for her. But she's also AtE'ing as well, which is a towntell for her.

 

I'm gonna wait till I reread to vote however, this is obviously an important day for town. Gotta catch up in other games first.

i agree its no time to be trigger happy with votes....... at this point it takes only 2 townys to vote for an other towny to be speedhammered and for mafia to win

[hazelkrs1]

Haven't even started my reread, took too long to take care of business in the other game (altho I did TAKE CARE of business, if you catch my drift ). Will start on it tonight.

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Haven't even started my reread, took too long to take care of business in the other game (altho I did TAKE CARE of business, if you catch my drift ). Will start on it tonight.

sure... we will wait... since u are the second suspect for me now :P

[Theodora]

I am a bit bothered by Mish's claim to be the Doc and Carol Petelier. I don't know how many of you watch the series but Carol Petelier is not a character, I would associate with a Doctor. Why not the Mod choosing a real doctor like Dr Edwin Jenner. I am starting to believe Peace's claim more and more but this would mean a fake claim from Mish, which leads to the fact she is scum.

 

Why the softclaim? It's easy for me to do so and make a mistake, for which I already apologised but Mish knows how to play very well for a long time.

 

So, assuming that Mish says the truth, she is the Doc but cannot really protect the same person twice in a row, this means that this night, she would be NK as stated. Since this was clearly the fact, of which she was aware, then why claim? Why drawing the attention of the Mafia? Town loses.

 

Desp, what about your case? I remember something that Leelou said in the beginning - this is not Despo's playing town. Plus the whole aggresive tunnelling on me when I know my alighment. Ishy, you and Mish jumped (or created) a lot of trains of mine. This makes me re-think you could be playing with us all along as a scum.

 

I have to read again, when is the deadline.

[peacesells]

I am a bit bothered by Mish's claim to be the Doc and Carol Petelier. I don't know how many of you watch the series but Carol Petelier is not a character, I would associate with a Doctor. Why not the Mod choosing a real doctor like Dr Edwin Jenner. I am starting to believe Peace's claim more and more but this would mean a fake claim from Mish, which leads to the fact she is scum.

 

Why the softclaim? It's easy for me to do so and make a mistake, for which I already apologised but Mish knows how to play very well for a long time.

 

So, assuming that Mish says the truth, she is the Doc but cannot really protect the same person twice in a row, this means that this night, she would be NK as stated. Since this was clearly the fact, of which she was aware, then why claim? Why drawing the attention of the Mafia? Town loses.

 

Desp, what about your case? I remember something that Leelou said in the beginning - this is not Despo's playing town. Plus the whole aggresive tunnelling on me when I know my alighment. Ishy, you and Mish jumped (or created) a lot of trains of mine. This makes me re-think you could be playing with us all along as a scum.

 

I have to read again, when is the deadline.

 

The bolded...can't believe I missed that.   If anyone were the Doctor it would be Hershel.  Hershel is too big of a character to fake claim though.

 

Mish, do uou watch the seriies..lol.  Cause that is a horrible fake claim choice. 

[michellem]

No I've already stated I don't watch the series, I don't like zombies. I don't know the first thing about my character or any other's.

 

I forgot, when I claimed, that I had the restriction... AJ had to remind me when I sent in my NA. So that was stupid of me and I take that on my shoulders.

 

That does not change the fact that for the mafia, it was a game of WIFOM with me, because they had absotlutley of knowing that I had that restriction, and so they had to assume that I would choose between protecting Golden or myself. The logical thing to do would be to protect Golden. So this is why I mention the RB; to make you new guys understand that even if I had had no restriction and had protected Golden, there was still a way for him to die.

 

 

 

Des, I could really need some input from you. All my reads are scrambled and I could need something new from you now. Also, have BFG posted at all since day started?

[Babar Hasan Khan]

 

I am a bit bothered by Mish's claim to be the Doc and Carol Petelier. I don't know how many of you watch the series but Carol Petelier is not a character, I would associate with a Doctor. Why not the Mod choosing a real doctor like Dr Edwin Jenner. I am starting to believe Peace's claim more and more but this would mean a fake claim from Mish, which leads to the fact she is scum.

 

Why the softclaim? It's easy for me to do so and make a mistake, for which I already apologised but Mish knows how to play very well for a long time.

 

So, assuming that Mish says the truth, she is the Doc but cannot really protect the same person twice in a row, this means that this night, she would be NK as stated. Since this was clearly the fact, of which she was aware, then why claim? Why drawing the attention of the Mafia? Town loses.

 

Desp, what about your case? I remember something that Leelou said in the beginning - this is not Despo's playing town. Plus the whole aggresive tunnelling on me when I know my alighment. Ishy, you and Mish jumped (or created) a lot of trains of mine. This makes me re-think you could be playing with us all along as a scum.

 

I have to read again, when is the deadline.

 

The bolded...can't believe I missed that.   If anyone were the Doctor it would be Hershel.  Hershel is too big of a character to fake claim though.

 

Mish, do uou watch the seriies..lol.  Cause that is a horrible fake claim choice. 

 

actually i dont agree on this one with theo or u...... nothing is as it should be when it comes to characters..... rick should be the cop he isnt..... General should be the god father he isnt.... and carol even tough she would not be the first choice for a doctor but she does have a caring personality so i wouldnt read that much into the characters name at this point

[Babar Hasan Khan]

No I've already stated I don't watch the series, I don't like zombies. I don't know the first thing about my character or any other's.

 

I forgot, when I claimed, that I had the restriction... AJ had to remind me when I sent in my NA. So that was stupid of me and I take that on my shoulders.

 

That does not change the fact that for the mafia, it was a game of WIFOM with me, because they had absotlutley of knowing that I had that restriction, and so they had to assume that I would choose between protecting Golden or myself. The logical thing to do would be to protect Golden. So this is why I mention the RB; to make you new guys understand that even if I had had no restriction and had protected Golden, there was still a way for him to die.

 

 

 

Des, I could really need some input from you. All my reads are scrambled and I could need something new from you now. Also, have BFG posted at all since day started?

see this is a kind of response i can believe even if it is little... 

[BFG]

I am a bit bothered by Mish's claim to be the Doc and Carol Petelier. I don't know how many of you watch the series but Carol Petelier is not a character, I would associate with a Doctor. Why not the Mod choosing a real doctor like Dr Edwin Jenner. I am starting to believe Peace's claim more and more but this would mean a fake claim from Mish, which leads to the fact she is scum.

 

Why the softclaim? It's easy for me to do so and make a mistake, for which I already apologised but Mish knows how to play very well for a long time.

 

So, assuming that Mish says the truth, she is the Doc but cannot really protect the same person twice in a row, this means that this night, she would be NK as stated. Since this was clearly the fact, of which she was aware, then why claim? Why drawing the attention of the Mafia? Town loses.

 

Desp, what about your case? I remember something that Leelou said in the beginning - this is not Despo's playing town. Plus the whole aggresive tunnelling on me when I know my alighment. Ishy, you and Mish jumped (or created) a lot of trains of mine. This makes me re-think you could be playing with us all along as a scum.

 

I have to read again, when is the deadline.

 

I don't understand why Mish must be lying if Peace is telling the truth? 

 

No I've already stated I don't watch the series, I don't like zombies. I don't know the first thing about my character or any other's.

 

I forgot, when I claimed, that I had the restriction... AJ had to remind me when I sent in my NA. So that was stupid of me and I take that on my shoulders.

 

That does not change the fact that for the mafia, it was a game of WIFOM with me, because they had absotlutley of knowing that I had that restriction, and so they had to assume that I would choose between protecting Golden or myself. The logical thing to do would be to protect Golden. So this is why I mention the RB; to make you new guys understand that even if I had had no restriction and had protected Golden, there was still a way for him to die.

 

 

 

Des, I could really need some input from you. All my reads are scrambled and I could need something new from you now. Also, have BFG posted at all since day started?

 

Yes, but only to say I would have to reread (again), and I was doing Band stuff earlier. 

 

 

 

fwiw, related to Err's earlier posts - nothing Mish has explained about her role is contradictory. 

 

I also doubt the mafia have a roleblocker, if they had I'd assume they'd have used it to stop Goldens viewing N2.

[BFG]

Ok, I'm only at the end of Day 2 on my reread, the rest will have to wait till tomorrow now. 

 

Peace - why did you think leelou looked worse when you came back and voted?  I don't remember this being addressed outside of you repeating that she 'looked worse'  http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86079-basic-the-walking-dead-mafia-day-4/?p=3094644

 

and if Mish turns out to be mafia... des could be the last one... because as a mafia he would know that there is no doctor at that stage (as no one counter claimed).... and golden wouldnt survive the night....

 

hence the whole speech about 

1. yes please inspect me....

2. even tough i think i might not survive the night...

 

way to aim for two bird with one post

 

 

 

 

I am a bit bothered by Mish's claim to be the Doc and Carol Petelier. I don't know how many of you watch the series but Carol Petelier is not a character, I would associate with a Doctor. Why not the Mod choosing a real doctor like Dr Edwin Jenner. I am starting to believe Peace's claim more and more but this would mean a fake claim from Mish, which leads to the fact she is scum.

 

Why the softclaim? It's easy for me to do so and make a mistake, for which I already apologised but Mish knows how to play very well for a long time.

 

So, assuming that Mish says the truth, she is the Doc but cannot really protect the same person twice in a row, this means that this night, she would be NK as stated. Since this was clearly the fact, of which she was aware, then why claim? Why drawing the attention of the Mafia? Town loses.

 

Desp, what about your case? I remember something that Leelou said in the beginning - this is not Despo's playing town. Plus the whole aggresive tunnelling on me when I know my alighment. Ishy, you and Mish jumped (or created) a lot of trains of mine. This makes me re-think you could be playing with us all along as a scum.

 

I have to read again, when is the deadline.

 

The bolded...can't believe I missed that.   If anyone were the Doctor it would be Hershel.  Hershel is too big of a character to fake claim though.

 

Mish, do uou watch the seriies..lol.  Cause that is a horrible fake claim choice. 

 

actually i dont agree on this one with theo or u...... nothing is as it should be when it comes to characters..... rick should be the cop he isnt..... General should be the god father he isnt.... and carol even tough she would not be the first choice for a doctor but she does have a caring personality so i wouldnt read that much into the characters name at this point

 

 

This seems like quite an abrupt change of direction.  You've spent most of the day prodding Mish, now you're defending her (a little).

 

 

Desp, what about your case? I remember something that Leelou said in the beginning - this is not Despo's playing town. Plus the whole aggresive tunnelling on me when I know my alighment. Ishy, you and Mish jumped (or created) a lot of trains of mine. This makes me re-think you could be playing with us all along as a scum.

 

I have to read again, when is the deadline.

 

I caught that to, however In Day 2, Leelou has Des as a Town read. 

 

 

Reads up to Day 2 (reread) (middle 3 not necessarily in order)

 

Mish - leaning Town (I liked her play around Golden Day 2 (wish I'd caught it earlier) and don't remember anything from Day 3 or today that would change my mind).

 

 

 

 

Des - so far unsure for myself, but Leelou, (I think) Dap, & Mish (now a Town read) all have him as Town, equally Nolder didn't (although that was based solely on Day 1) so I'll wait and see what a reread of Day 3 brings.

 

Peace - a lot of his play seems logical to me.  But he introduced the SK wifom, there's a strange post when he says that either he or Des will be run up near lynch (when he knows he can claim to prevent it)  Also it seems strange he wasn't NK night 1 after his soft claim.

 

Dora - Day 1 seems to be spent following people about, Day 2 in defense.  Interestingly one of her posts earlier today was suggesting that Carol wouldn't be the doc, whereas earlier she tells Ishy that he shouldn't determine whose Town or otherwise based on characters...

 

 

 

 

Err - I can't shake the feeling that he's playing dumb (and I can't think of a good reason for him doing this), there are a few things he comments on that are really well thought out (such as his argument for Peace being a GF)  but he apparently didn't understand majority lynch on Day 1... 

 

 

 

At the moment I think I'm most willing to vote Err.

[peacesells]

BFG, I was getting vibes from Theo that she was emotional newbee town.  It happens often with new players.  Then there is a dynamic between that goes on between Ishy and Leelou that happens in most games.   If leelou is scum and Ishy is town she has him night killed early.  The same happens in the reverse.  If Ishy is a recruiter he always recruits Leelou.  If they know they are on the same team they act very comfy with each other.  Ishy was my 2nd strongest scum read that day...and it looked to me like they were on the same team.  So, it was more likely, of the two she would be scum.   Ishy changed his meta apparently.

[peacesells]

The SK thoughts were early game stuff when Theo revealed as Shane.  It fits the character.  I have believed she is an SK for awhile now.  Early game speculation.  Given how my character died and my role fits my character..I thought SK would fit hers.