[Advanced] X-Men: Rise of Apocalypse - GAME OVER

[csarmi]

I'm against a lover lynch.

When you're driving blindly, you don't speed up your car.

 

We have 12 players (5 dead) and still in the dark as for the game mechanics - well, frankly put, in the dark about a lot of things (gold names, Nyn's frailty, Mish's inability to move her vote, usefulness of a cop, kind of roles around - just to name a few).

 

The faster we decrease the number of players, the worse off we'll be.

 

Our power roles will get one action per night, most likely. The faster we go, the lower amount of information we end up with. Getting rid of 3 townies right now (putting us down to 9 players by night, who knows how many by next day) seems very contraproductive to me.

[hazelkrs1]

Btw, I just c/p'ed that stuff on there from notes, there could be some half finished thoughts in there or something. Sorry, was in a rush.

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Mish (3) - Wombat, Nyn, Des

Aemon (1) - Salami

Darthe (2) - Aemon, Lily

Krak (1) - Mish

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline 2 hours, 45 minutes

[Nynaeve]

 

We have 12 players (5 dead) and still in the dark as for the game mechanics.

 

 

 

 

So you rather wait till we're 5 players left to off potentially 3 players? If one of them is scum, which I think is the case, then they have to go at some point. Better now than later, in my book.

 

 

 

Nyn

[csarmi]

"Gettinr rid of 3 townies right now" should read "getting rid of 3 players right now"

[Darthe]

Well crap.  I thought we had all of today.

 

Vote Mish.

 

We at least get one thing cleared up.

[csarmi]

 

We have 12 players (5 dead) and still in the dark as for the game mechanics.

 

 

So you rather wait till we're 5 players left to off potentially 3 players? If one of them is scum, which I think is the case, then they have to go at some point. Better now than later, in my book.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

By that point we might learn their alignment, for instance.

[csarmi]

Or scum might solve this for us by shooting the lover pair. I'm not sold that either of them is scum.

[Nynaeve]

If scum was going to solve it for us they would have done it on N1. The fact that they didn't means something.

 

And I for one don't want to lose this game simply because we were too chicken to resolve this earlier on.

 

 

 

Nyn

[csarmi]

Yea Nyn, what if Despo is scum, Mish is town and scum's solution is to lynch Mish and have an extra shot too. Solves it for them just fine right?

[Darthe]

I'm realy not sold on this.  Dislike how hard it is to get lynches this game.

[csarmi]

Instead of having to waste an NK to remove 1-1 from the game (an NK they don't seem to get with RTE around).

 

Despo's gonna shoot RTE, problem solved for them.

[csarmi]

Actually, Despo seems to push so hard for this lynch, that it's quite a real possibility.

 

No, we shouldn't touch that wasphole now.

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Mish (4) - Wombat, Nyn, Des, Darthe

Aemon (1) - Salami

Darthe (2) - Aemon, Lily

Krak (1) - Mish

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline 2 hours, 30 minutes

[csarmi]

And remember, when Despo/Mish goes down, they're gone. If they lead us on (either of them), there is no connection to put down afterwards.

 

Despo (if scum) will be able to shoot whoever he wills and we can't do much to a dead scum can we.

[Nynaeve]

Yea Nyn, what if Despo is scum, Mish is town and scum's solution is to lynch Mish and have an extra shot too. Solves it for them just fine right?

 

 

Maybe so, but it still rids us of a scum that HAS to go. According to you we're supposed to sit tight and hope scum solves this for us? lol  Your stance is not to lynch either of them cause it might cost us two townies. Well, I'm not arguing that it might result in that... I'm arguing that they have to go cause one of them is scum and the sooner we solve this, the better. Later on our numbers will dwindle and we might not even be able to reach majority on this. And potentially losing 3 townies when we're 12 players is better off than potentially losing 3 townies when we're 10 players or less.

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

I mean, look at her play. You're saying Despo is pushing hard to lynch her but she doesn't seem to be fighting it that hard, as long as he goes first.

 

 

 

Nyn

[csarmi]

My stance is that you don't give a dayshot to a possible maffia when you don't need to.

[csarmi]

I mean, look at her play. You're saying Despo is pushing hard to lynch her but she doesn't seem to be fighting it that hard, as long as he goes first.

 

 

 

Nyn

I agree that if either of them is scum, Mish is more likely to be. But not by that far at all.

[Nynaeve]

But you do see that at SOME point those two needs to go. Either by hour hands or by mafia. There is NO way to be 100% sure which if them is scum. I do strongly believe it's Mish though. For us to win the game we need to lynch ALL mafia members. So you agree that at SOME point this decision is gonna have to be made. Don't you think we stand a better chance doing it now, rather than later when it can cost us the game?

 

 

 

Nyn

[csarmi]

I do see that, yes.

 

I also believe we should figure out which of them is scum (if either of them is) by that point.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

But you do see that at SOME point those two needs to go. Either by hour hands or by mafia. There is NO way to be 100% sure which if them is scum. I do strongly believe it's Mish though. For us to win the game we need to lynch ALL mafia members. So you agree that at SOME point this decision is gonna have to be made. Don't you think we stand a better chance doing it now, rather than later when it can cost us the game?

 

 

 

Nyn

This sums up my feelings quite nicely. But I'm not ready to give them what essentially seems to be a day shot. Pretty sure I would die.

 

Two things:

 

1. I can extend deadline.

 

2. I can skip night again but we will have to be VERY careful. Scum knows now and will insta-submit. Need to be quick. I may extend to when I know I'll be at a computer.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Given the vengeance kills I'm happy to leave them alone and kill off the other scum and lynch them later. By then hopefully we also have a better idea of a lot of things including which is scum.

[csarmi]

If you can extend deadline, do so please.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Trying to skip night might be so risky that I might be better off leaving the doc I hope we have to do his thing. Problem is I feel like scum would be ready to sacrifice the lovers at this point.