MAFIA - **STARGATE SG1** - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

I wouldn't even have lynched you blind.

 

enjoy your night.

[WWWwombat]

Cool. Next time you think I'm mafia I'll make sure not to claim.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

next time you pull your schoolyard crap on me I'll remember why I never play in games you're in.

 

actually, I think this time is enough.

 

you couldn't get the rest of the kids to grab pitchforks and torches either.

 

but you'll take it out on me cause you like to.

 

I guess my single vote and no one else's compelled you to ...

 

screw it, wom.

 

whatever.

[Lenlo]

Anyhow, my thoughts:

 

Darthe/NotBob: very entertaining. Possible distancing.

Hally: Seconds a joke vote with another non-serious vote. Mildly pingy, but would mafia really make such an obvious mistake? Worth watching at the very least.

NotBob: Says he could also vote Cindy, because "she doesn't play enough." Which is A. parroting Hally's reasoning, and would be the third vote, but then doesn't actually vote her. Possibly because he knows that he would pick up suspicion if he did; but even the townies don't want to pick up suspicion. Also worth watching for future consideration.

Wombat: Um. I usually have trouble reading Womby, and so far this game is no exception. Null tell.

Cindy: Hot.

 

Unvote for now.

This doesnt seem like much at all to me. He just gives short sentences of what he thinks people are doing without providing an example or referencing somthing they actually said. Seems lazy.

 

 

 

I suspected as much. (that you're lost, that is...)

Vote Berf. I found his list to not reveal very much as to his thought processes, and sheeped my own list of early thoughts. It's still D1, and there was still no deadline at the time, but I think I at least made more of an effort to at least say who I was going to be keeping my eyes on.

 

If hes sheeping you and his post isnt revealing much, then doesnt that also mean your not revealing much? Your basically accusing him of having the same thoughts as you and then calling those thoughts poor.

 

 

Niel - Post full of pings. PFOP. Time will tell. *Update* 3 games played and that's the opening post you choose to go with? Indeed.

I can sum up your whole vote on me as an OMGUS surrounded by a WoT. One thing I have been unable to figure out on my own is.... What is "PFOP"?

 

Well someone isnt reading that carefully.

 

 

An OMGUS is when you vote someone who is voting you. It doesn't matter which of the people voting you that you put a vote on; it's still an OMGUS any which way. You met the criteria for an OMGUS in my book, and if it walks like a duck, and votes like a duck, then it must be a duck.

 

*tosses breadcrumbs at Berf*

 

So Basel looks like hes just shoving aside accusations with some comedy and light heartedness. I do this all the time when I want to get rid of some heat so I know it when I see it.

 

 

 

Totally failing to see why I should be getting heat for putting my reads out there. That's what you do in mafia.

That's not what you're taking heat for. Read the game.

 

The reason you're getting heat is because your "reads" are a bunch of noncommittal WIFOM.

 

 

I did read the game, and those are the impressions I had. It's Day 1, when no one can be sure of anything. So we have to figure out who needs to be watched more. I gave what was going through my mind as I read the game, and that included the possibilities that some of the people I caught a vibe from could go either way. If I say who I think is worth watching further, that should count for something more than just "noncommittal WIFOM", which much more accurately describes what Berf put out after me (and in his case, was significantly less original after my reads).

 

His case was, as you said, sheeping yours and yet your calling it noncommittal wifom. Doesnt that make yours the same wifom crap as his? 

 

 

that is not an objection.

 

it's a refusal to play that mini game.

 

Think of it as a game within the game.

 

this is but one of many of NotBobs posts. Most of his posts in game have been 1-2 sentences that either arnt directed at the game and are fluff or are just commenting on the situation and not actually commiting to anything. I wouldnt think much of his post count at this point especially with how many of these little posts come packed together instead of just being put into one post. I smell padding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, bob, my sarcasm detector is operational and yours should be as well.

I think dap is a manipulative egomaniac.

and may or may not have a shot.

unaware of him playing this card before.

Still voting him?

still not unvoting him.

I don't think either Basel or berf is scum.

my money would be on des, pray, dice, dap, RTE at this moment, tho I don't see them getting lynched today.

I like those reads except for Dap and Basel.

settle out of court on des, pray, dice, or RTE?

 

 

I can settle on RTE.  What gives you a town vibe from Basel?  

 

Vote Dap

 

Mainly for this vote.  No reason, no rationale.  What does he make of Dap?  Who knows?

 

So we know RTE is town and these are afew people taking easy ((If true)) shots at him and inevitably getting him lynched. The fact that RTE flipped town is why im looking at these.

 

Fine for now.

 

Unvote

 

Vote RTE

Heres another problem with bob though. Not 15 minutes after that post above this he decides to actually commit and vote RTE, so that instead of starting it and pushing the train himself he can wait for others to start it and then jump on once he knows he has some support.

g.

[Lenlo]

BLAST THEM

Sorry, I am down with flu. Anyway, I had my main suspicion on Basel but seeing some of the responses from him I think he seems to be town. 

 

Especially when his actions is what a typical town who rushes off to vote and gets cornered. 

 

I did read the game, and those are the impressions I had. It's Day 1, when no one can be sure of anything. So we have to figure out who needs to be watched more. I gave what was going through my mind as I read the game, and that included the possibilities that some of the people I caught a vibe from could go either way. If I say who I think is worth watching further, that should count for something more than just "noncommittal WIFOM", which much more accurately describes what Berf put out after me (and in his case, was significantly less original after my reads).

 

RTE seems more suspicious, especially after he took an opportunistic move against dap when he said that he will shoot inactive people. It looks like he is trying to drive town into voting him and that right there is scummy

 

vote RTE

Just me noting those who quickly and easily voted RTE.

 

I took the blast them thing as you had to put it in your next post. not that it had to be the first thing said

 

i am always amazed at how much suspicion gets on people when they are away for a while. there is a thing called RL.

 

Right noiw I think berf is town, am leaning town on cindy but am wary of CS.

 

I can however agree with voting RTE

 

vote RTE

Dices first post in a loooooong time, if not first ever, and he instantly votes RTE. This is incredibly scummy to me.

 

 

 

speaking of paranoia... you and dice didn't quite get the trigger right either....

Word.

@Mod: Is Notbob's blast counted as if it were correct too?

 

 

If I count one, I will count the other, however next time I will not be so nice. Take note... 

 

***************

The replicators come on swarming around you, you sweep round with you weapon blasting them into pieces, still they come. Someone screams! You turn and there is Darthe trying to brush off the metallic spiders, their metal legs digging into his skin, and then they release an acid that eats away at metal they like to consume, he screams as it touches his skin. Then when you all thought he was lost Teal'c strides in sweeping them off him and blasting them before they get chance to strike again. A Medical team rushes in and takes him away, and still the replicators come. 

 

**************

 

What happened to Darthe ((And later niel)) because of this? Looks like his vote got removed and if I remember right he hasnt posted since this.

 

Unvote
Vote Pral

Sudden vote on Pral with no reasoning

 

Basel is basing two town reads on the assumption that RTE is scum but is still voting Berf. Even if he has a strong scum read on Berf, that makes no sense from an info standpoint.

unvote
Vote: Basel

Wombat jumping around. Its healthy when scumhunting to change votes abit to reflect changing opinions, but the amount you do it seems excessive. Not a scum read just something I wanted to point out.

 

Also, Basel's RTE mini-case is terrible. Looks forced as hell.

I agree with this. Didnt quote the case because of the wuote# restriction.

 

 

Basel is basing two town reads on the assumption that RTE is scum but is still voting Berf. Even if he has a strong scum read on Berf, that makes no sense from an info standpoint.

unvote
Vote: Basel

 

I agree. 

 

Vote Basel

 

Tina decides to jump in on Basel. Not sure how to take this because I also think basel is scum at this point, but shes not actually stating why beyond just agreeing with someone and hopping on.

 

and pray, dice, RTE are?

lenlo?

even Turin?

csarmi?

and des is and that's almost enough to convince me he's scum.

I see the apparently poor play last night and this morning. I'm not sure what to make of it. I can see a couple possibilities, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt right now.

but I'm not blind lynching him.

Cindy refusing to even consider lynching Basel even with all the stuff hes done. I would like to think mafia would be smart enough not to outright and blatantly defend a teammate but I dont know cindy well enough to say much about her.

 

fwiw if you've paid any attention to my play anywhere ever you'd know my defense of someone is a pretty safe bet were not working together.

Meta is no an arguement. Ive said it before and ill say it again I dont think using meta as a defense on yourself is ever a good play and in this instance I think its a scum move. An easy thing to pull out of your back pocket that requires no real reading, quotes or even risk.

 

 

 

you and pral haven't claimed either. not sure who should or when. I think when he left the votes might have been closer but I'm not sure, the counts got a little mixed up.

When Basel left, he was clearly one of the largest trains. If he were town, he should have claimed.

The best move right now is to blind lynch Basel.

Your hardcore defense of Basel is starting to ping.

 

 

Do not like this.

 

Another gem of wisdom from Bob thats not really saying anythin

[Lenlo]

 

My dumb you'll find.

 

@NOTBOB

 

- No idea bout RTE. no Claim that I know of no.

 

- 3 hours from deadline is not the time for info pumping. Info can be gleaned from play and things, but it isn't time to risk a random lynch.

 

- Blood from a stone? That does not tell me your opinion on his mafianess, yay or nay.

 

Do you expect Basel to claim within the deadline?  If you answer is no, is the optimal town strategy a blind lynch?

 

That's really what this means.  It appears Basel has left the building.  We can stubbornly continue this impasse or seek another path.

 

Random lynch is one consequence.

 

The choice is ours.

 

Notbob wants to move away from the one of the only good tracks weve had in the game because there hasnt been a claim. I have many times, either accidentally or on purpose, as scum just refused to answer anything or post. It gets people to forget about you until someone screws up and you can start a new train on them. And since you havnt revealed you can save that save your ass button for later. Not liking this.

 

 

UNVOTE VOTE RTE

 

More people are swiging that way, with the exception of the insane NOTBOB who I trust will move back onto the lynch to secure it rather than a random.

 

The Basel train hasn't moved much lately. Despo was last on, and that was yesterday. If anyone was going to, they would have.

 

The other option I could support is a Darthe lynch.  Every day we lynch Darthe is a good day.

 

Brining up a random person with absolutely no votes. Not sure if joking or a legitimate suggestion.

 

Whatever.  Seems Basel isn't happening.  RTE should have revealed by now too.

 

unvote

Vote: RTE

 

Another jump from Wombat. Same opinion as before. Not sure what to think just know that it looks like to much jumping.

 

I suspect Hally won't be home before DL.

 

I have no idea what lenlos schedule is

 

CS is as you see.

 

Tina, des, don't know.

 

Locke, don't know.

 

bob... as you see.

I saw Len active in the last two hours. Actually I know for a fact he was online 15 mins ago or so.

 

Yeah Sure you do. Was I actually at the computer or was I just sitting on a single thread for 3 hours because I wasnt actually home at the computer? I know the answer to this question and its not what youve been saying.

 

Can we kill him already?

Pushing RTE lynch whom we now know to be town.

 

My BS meter is through the roof.

Saaame.

 

it means I'm not changing my vote.

 

but that's ok, cause lenlo will surely be here to save the day, cause he's been online for a long time now and no doubt will come in and vote.

 

 

Lenlo Viewing Topic: [Advanced] X-Men: Rise of Apocalypse - Day 1 20 September 2013 - 01:15 PM

Yay for things taken out of context especially where time zones are concerned. Who knows what time that is for me, we only know its the middle of the day for you when you apparently have time to be looking at this crap. Wait I second I know what time this was for me. Testing. 

 

Vote:  Basel

And here comes Notbob swooping in to vote someone who he previously didnt want to vote? Huh? and nothing to say on it? Even weirder.

 

 

that may or may not have been a lynch.

 

I very much encourage a careful recount.

 

Just in case.

 

Unvote

 

Vote RTE

 

And then not 13 minutes later switching to RTE, who we now know is town. Wow.

 

My top reads for scum are Notbob, Basel, Csarmi/Cindy for their persistent push against me without knowing a thing about my schedule or what I actually have going on. Taking things and posting them with no context sure is fun huh?

[dapianoplay3r]

Back in the good old days, people weren't afraid to vote their bondeds.

 

And cindy hes directing it at you cos you are online and were online. If there had been others online and active as you im sure they would of got the same hate

[dapianoplay3r]

 

that may or may not have been a lynch.

 

I very much encourage a careful recount.

 

Just in case.

 

Unvote

 

Vote RTE

 

 

 

 

Vote Count:

 

Berf (1): Basel, 

Basel (4): Locke, Des, RTE, NotBob

RTE (10):   Dice, Pral, Dap, cindy, Turin, Berf, csarmi, Wombat, Locke, Tina

Pral (1): Hally

 

Scene coming up.

 

 

 

You know Not Bobs vote wasnt required right?

if he is mafia he would of known RTE was town. Dont you think it would of been a smarter mafia move to not vote RTE...?

[WWWwombat]

I never bullied you, Cindy. I called you on logical inconsistencies and then backed off when you made it clear you weren't budging.

 

Your vote is your own and I respect that. That doesn't mean I have to like what you do with it.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

thanks for the input, Len. it's very useful now.

 

you were online playing other games with later deadlines. your posts and votes are there.

 

I don't need to know anything more about your schedule than that.

 

if you wanted to play, to make an regiment, to counteract my single vote, you easily could have.

 

but you want to come in after the lynch and spin it.

 

enjoy.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

I never bullied you, Cindy. I called you on logical inconsistencies and then backed off when you made it clear you weren't budging.

Your vote is your own and I respect that. That doesn't mean I have to like what you do with it.

you did then

 

you stopped.

 

and when night fell you started again.

 

I don't care what you like but you can stop taunting me about it any time you want.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

ugh to make an argument Len.

 

yeah, that's enough.

 

I have happy thoughts, and this is dumb.

[WWWwombat]

 

I never bullied you, Cindy. I called you on logical inconsistencies and then backed off when you made it clear you weren't budging.

Your vote is your own and I respect that. That doesn't mean I have to like what you do with it.

you did then

 

you stopped.

 

and when night fell you started again.

 

I don't care what you like but you can stop taunting me about it any time you want.

I'm not taunting you. I'm criticizing your actions. I'm stopping that too for now as it's night and I've made my point.

[WWWwombat]

And Lenlo's post-lynch recap is really annoying/sketchy. Why couldn't you have posted that like 8 hours ago?

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

 

Back in the good old days, people weren't afraid to vote their bondeds.

 

And cindy hes directing it at you cos you are online and were online. If there had been others online and active as you im sure they would of got the same hate

Not hate. Rage.

[Lenlo]

thanks for the input, Len. it's very useful now.

 

you were online playing other games with later deadlines. your posts and votes are there.

 

I don't need to know anything more about your schedule than that.

 

if you wanted to play, to make an regiment, to counteract my single vote, you easily could have.

 

but you want to come in after the lynch and spin it.

 

enjoy.

Yes cause 1 page is just as much to read through as 10

 

And Lenlo's post-lynch recap is really annoying/sketchy. Why couldn't you have posted that like 8 hours ago?

Cause that was noon for me and I was testing? I literally had 10-15 minutes between each class today and got out after the deadline. The msot I could do was read 1-2 pages and I would rather spend that time reading 1 pages of a different game and posting there than attempting to start 10 pages of reading here and definitely not finish it without skimming through it all. Would you prefer me to not post anything at all?

[WWWwombat]

I would prefer that you make a useful vote before deadline. Unless you had a pop exam today, I don't see why you couldn't do that.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

thanks for the input, Len. it's very useful now.

 

you were online playing other games with later deadlines. your posts and votes are there.

 

I don't need to know anything more about your schedule than that.

 

if you wanted to play, to make an regiment, to counteract my single vote, you easily could have.

 

but you want to come in after the lynch and spin it.

 

enjoy.

Yes cause 1 page is just as much to read through as 10

 

And Lenlo's post-lynch recap is really annoying/sketchy. Why couldn't you have posted that like 8 hours ago?

Cause that was noon for me and I was testing? I literally had 10-15 minutes between each class today and got out after the deadline. The msot I could do was read 1-2 pages and I would rather spend that time reading 1 pages of a different game and posting there than attempting to start 10 pages of reading here and definitely not finish it without skimming through it all. Would you prefer me to not post anything at all?

 

 

Lenlo,

 

Really don't know where to start.  I typically do not like to argue during the night but in your case I'll make an exception.  The problem as I see it, stems from the fact you were distracted and could not/would not contribute on Day 1.  Whatever your reasons you were absent.  Now you play strong at night.  That tells me you are confident the NK will not be you.  No Wifom.  Just that.

 

Good luck tomorrow.

[csarmi]

I saw Len active in the last two hours. Actually I know for a fact he was online 15 mins ago or so.

Yeah Sure you do. Was I actually at the computer or was I just sitting on a single thread for 3 hours because I wasnt actually home at the computer? I know the answer to this question and its not what youve been saying.

 

I knew for a fact you were online cause you made a post at that time. A rather safe assumption, wouldn't you say?

[csarmi]

 

I saw Len active in the last two hours. Actually I know for a fact he was online 15 mins ago or so.

Yeah Sure you do. Was I actually at the computer or was I just sitting on a single thread for 3 hours because I wasnt actually home at the computer? I know the answer to this question and its not what youve been saying.

 

I knew for a fact you were online cause you made a post at that time. A rather safe assumption, wouldn't you say?

 

[edit by way of posting]

[WWWwombat]

'Tis a consummation Devoutly to be wished.

[Lenlo]

 

 

thanks for the input, Len. it's very useful now.

 

you were online playing other games with later deadlines. your posts and votes are there.

 

I don't need to know anything more about your schedule than that.

 

if you wanted to play, to make an regiment, to counteract my single vote, you easily could have.

 

but you want to come in after the lynch and spin it.

 

enjoy.

Yes cause 1 page is just as much to read through as 10

 

And Lenlo's post-lynch recap is really annoying/sketchy. Why couldn't you have posted that like 8 hours ago?

Cause that was noon for me and I was testing? I literally had 10-15 minutes between each class today and got out after the deadline. The msot I could do was read 1-2 pages and I would rather spend that time reading 1 pages of a different game and posting there than attempting to start 10 pages of reading here and definitely not finish it without skimming through it all. Would you prefer me to not post anything at all?

 

 

Lenlo,

 

Really don't know where to start.  I typically do not like to argue during the night but in your case I'll make an exception.  The problem as I see it, stems from the fact you were distracted and could not/would not contribute on Day 1.  Whatever your reasons you were absent.  Now you play strong at night.  That tells me you are confident the NK will not be you.  No Wifom.  Just that.

 

Good luck tomorrow.

 

I do not mean to play strong at night, sorry. I mean to play strong from this day ((RL Day, not mafia day)) onward because I am free now.

 

Im pretty confident I wont get NKed because I played a horrible D1. I wasnt here for most of it and would be a good and relatively easy lynch to push tomorrow. Why NK me when I will just bury myself you know? Your right though no more arguing during night.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay just caught up.

 

So, I want to be upset at town lynching a very powerful role when Basel didn't even claim before he left, which was an extremely anti-town and sketchy thing to do, but honestly, RTE played that claim situation so horribly I prob would have voted him as well. Seriously wish people would just learn how to freaking claim. It's almost NEVER a good idea to soft claim, especially when the deadline is close and ambiguity just looks like scum trying to get out of being held to a firm claim. Still, losing that role won't be the end of the world as it does have some negative utility with it as well, and I could see RTE Jailkeeping a Cop or something like that. Meh.

 

Moving on...

 

Cindy, firstly let me say congrats on the new niece! Second, I don't think Wombat was ever trying to taunt or harass you. He plays as an aggressive player, and maybe you don't like that style, but it also doesn't mean you have to let it throw you off your game. Third, I'm not fond of the way you keep trying to use your meta to defend yourself. For one, there's just not much reason to do so in the first place, so it looks like you trying to preemptively clear yourself as town, and second, ANYONE can abuse their own meta to do w/e they want. Meta isn't a strict guideline on how someone plays, its a loose amalgam of all their general mafia behavior. Just because you bussed hard in one game doesn't mean you'd never defend a teammate in any other.

 

Dap, I agree with Cindy in that you're telegraphing your shot. And this isn't a great idea, as it lets the mafia team know what you might do ahead of time and they can plan accordingly. No need to keep dangling that sword of damocles over various peeps' heads. And while were at it, why you trying to stir the pot between Cindy and Wombat? That gif was funny but dude, no need to try and antagonize people like that.

 

Lastly, Lenlo. Oh Lenlo, where do I begin. I'm actually not that rankled about you not being here for the deadline (which isn't as big a deal as it could have been, considering RTE flipped town), even though your excuses are pretty weak about that. I mean, you do have some kind of concept of voting deadlines, which means that you were either neglectful in paying attention to this game's deadlines, or felt that you should be all the way caught up before posting, instead of just freaking catching up with the last page or so and seeing if your vote was needed (which it was, for a while).

 

But what DOES bother me is your catchup posts. Just turrible man. I don't know if you're bad scum or clueless townie trying to catch up all quick and prove that you still care, but those wot's just looked contrived as hell. Just from what I can remember:

 

Your stuff against Basel just looks like you breadcrumbing a case against Basel for tomorrow, which wasn't really necessary since he was already a top vote-getter today, so it reeks of overjustification for an fos.

 

I'm pretty sure you've played with Notbob before, and the stuff you pointed out on him he does in pretty much every game. Mostly one or two sentence posts, with the large portion being the playful kind, not the serious gameplay side. He seems to greatly enjoy flirting with a random lynch close to the deadline. In general, the posts you quoted of his didn't really seem to be in any way his most egregious offenses of the game, looks like you were pretty much just picking Notbob posts at random cause he seemed like an easy target to case.

 

Lastly you spent a bit of time fos'ing Wombat, which I first don't agree with because I have a strong town read on him, and the stuff you brought up I feel is weak. You did the same thing as Pral (who I find uberscummy btw), and tried making it seem like it's antitown or scummy to move your vote a lot, when I happen to agree with Wombat that its actually quite the opposite. Scum tend to park their vote for longer and usually don't try to actively seek a lynch, whereas town are more comfortable moving their vote as their reads change, and because they aren't necessarily as concerned with how it looks when they move their vote.

 

If you ARE town, then you need to try and contribute more to the game and the scumhunt regularly, not just try to cram in a lazy scumhunt type of wot at the last second (or after the last second, since you missed the deadline).

 

Scum:

 

Basel/Pral (they're pretty much tied)

CS

Lenlo

 

Wary of:

 

Darthe/Niel (for obvious reasons)

Berf

Turin

NotBob

 

Town:

 

Wombat

Locke

Tina

Dap

Cindy

 

Nullish type read on Dice and Hallia, both of whom prob need to post moar.

[hazelkrs1]

Also Wombat, fwiw, I don't think Cindy would have voted to blind lynch anyone she didn't have a scum read on yesterday, and especially not when peeps started to push her. Just how she is. I think if you truly wanted to change her mind about her vote yesterday you could have tried a slightly less "strong arm" type demeanor, might have worked just a little bit better. I don't know much about Cindy, but one thing I do know is she don't like being pushed.

 

And you're right btw, AtE IS my favorite new scumtell. I used to be somewhat dismissive of it, kinda like the whyme fryme thing, but I find its a fairly effective scumtell. More importantly, its great for a reaction test. Tell a scum they're using AtE, and they'll be more likely to respond with even more (like some mock indignation). Tell a townie they're using it and they're more likely to shrug it off it seems.

[csarmi]

@Despo

 

That was a really nice, logical and well structured post for once. Can we have more of these instead of the horribly unreadable wots with quote galore?