[Basic] Die Hard for Mafia Game Thread

[dapianoplay3r]

Cos the basic setup is two goons and a GF

plus doc would be dead with a rb

also kaylee looked like she was setting up for naming darthe sk. Hence when he was the nk it eased my mind about her being the GF. Cos if she was she woulda let him live imo

 

len wanting to stay alive looks like he wants to be viewed, which suggests GF to me. I know im all self sacrificong so ill be lynched, but i think ive tied himm to me now enough that me flipping town will seal his lynch

Put that in your pipe and smmoke it len

[csarmi]

Assume the scum have an RB:

 

N1 - they try to kill me and use the RB somewhere else - that would fit so far

N2 - they could RB + kill me, or RB me + kill anyone they wanted to - problem: in that case, they'd be kiling the cop or the doc, rather than the Vig

 

So I'm leaning towards them not having an RB. But then they must have a GF, or they'd be just way too underpowered. Or a 3rd party, but that should have claimed already.

[dapianoplay3r]

See, its a GF

makes lens not wanting to die suspicioys. Cos if he doesnt want to die he wants a viewing

[csarmi]

If there is a GF, they can be anyone but Peace/Me, actually, and we're never going to get any new info on that as we know it's the last one standing.

 

Kaylee, I think.

[dapianoplay3r]

Looking at the VCs len and i fit the criteria better than the others. My gut was saying kaylee but the darthe kill speaks otherwise

[csarmi]

Dap - why does the Darthe kill say Kaylee isn't scum?

[dapianoplay3r]

I explained it a few posts ago

 

kaylee seemmed ike she was setting up for nnaming darthe SKer

the out og shots being convinent and stuff.

So killing him was xounter intuitive to how she was playing

[Kaylee]

 

Peace either way knowing your target can be helpful. I'm still going to look at the unknown. Dap should've been on that list too. I didn't realize I missed him.

Peace knows his job.

Let's focus on scumhunting and run people up. I'm sure he'll stop the wrong train, if need be.

Clearly you missed the second line in my post. I said I was still going to look into people, aka scumhunt.

[michellem]

 

Dap went didn't you vote?

  

I thought I did?

 

That makes Kaylee more or less confirmed town in my eyes... It seemed like he tried so very hard to drag her down with him, but I don't buy it.

 

I'm meh about that. He did try very hard... But only after he was lynched, so he knew he would flip mafia. Perfect time to try save a teammate. However I believe there is only like 4 unconfirmed ATM, so lynch/view them all then go back to Kaylee

 

 

If we lynch luci len dap and kaylee I think the game is over no matter what.

Yea pretty much

If none of us are the mafia then I still think Kaylee is a likely choice

 

 

AJ also mentioned Kaylee and Cloud at the start of N2, it looked to me like he was trying to drag to townies down with him; it would be too obvious to mention a teammate then; it would have made it too easy too find them afterwards. And continuing prodding Kaylee after Cloud died, if she was his teammate, when they were one down, I don't see it. Not even if Kaylee would have been the GF.

 

 

OK, did some thinking:

 

9 townies vs 3 scum, Cop+Doc+Vig vs all goons looks imbalancved to me. Maffia should have a roleblocker or a godfather. Not sure why they wouldn't roleblock + kill me if they have a RB. Another possibility is that there's only 8 town and there's a survivor out there (SK is not possible unless they keep holding shots).

 

When are people gonna learn this? If a survivor was the last anti town (if game started with 2 mafias and 1 3rd party survivor) the game would have been over now.

 

 

Now. Dap and Len both look interesting, but I'm gonna vote Pral. Like I said last day, he was my nr. 1 mafia read, and then he never even bothered to adress my case on him, and that worries me. And it seems like everyone has more or less forgot about him.

[dapianoplay3r]

He's saying its goon + survivor

That's how I interpreted it anyway

[Kaylee]

I explained it a few posts ago

 

kaylee seemmed ike she was setting up for nnaming darthe SKer

the out og shots being convinent and stuff.

So killing him was xounter intuitive to how she was playing

Actually Kaylee th thought maybe Darthe was lying and actually scum. That's why I said him being out of shots was convenient. If I were scum would I have gone through so much trouble to try to get AJ lynched, in so doing pointing out my own bad timing on NB's lynch?

 

No because that would only come back to make me look suspicious later. It's almost time for me to go to work. I will be looking into those unknown and making cases, or at least one, when I get home from work tonight.

[michellem]

He's saying its goon + survivor

That's how I interpreted it anyway

 

*facepalm* Of course!

[Lenlo]

And len what do you achieve by staying alive?

This game isnt for points. At this point us dead is more useful than us alive. Life only serves yoir own ego or mafia goals.

I just want to. If I get lynched meh alright but living is funner.

[Pralaya]

Ok, so it is down to Luci, Kaylee, Len, Dap and Mish. 

 

Luci - She is new to the game. There were a few concerns noted that she might be trained by Ishy to overplay her newbiness. Well, I don't know but for now she seems to be town

 

Kaylee - SHe has been in the radar of Andrej so much it looks suspicious. Andrej's whole post-hammer play talking about Kayle could be a good distancing move. Andrej tried a similar tactic with NotBob but he wasn't so convincing there. Leaning scum

 

Lenlo - I was suspicious of Lenlo's play on Day 1 itself and since then he appears to be playing very cautiously. Possible scum

 

Dap - I feel that he is mostly town and his posts on both the days have been townish. 

 

Dice/Mish - Not much of a read on her. Neutral

 

My main vote is between Lenlo and Kaylee. Both of them seem equally scummy but I am going with Kaylee just because Andrej seemed so desperate to distance her.

 

vote Kaylee

[dapianoplay3r]

Pray that seems counter intuitive

Atleast she's had a cop view

[Pralaya]

Well true. However, at this point of time, with the two dead mafia being goons, I dont think I am trusting cop views.

 

Anyway, between the two, I can vote Lenlo as well - as I said both seem equally probable. 

[michellem]

Oh look! I mention Pral and he pops up. And again completly ignores my case, vote and that I pointed out that the ignored my case. And the reasons people have been airing about why Kaylee is the least likely to be mafia outside of Csarmi/Peace. Wooow.

[Kaylee]

Pral: please enlighten me how my play has been scummy. I've made good cases, including one on AJ. At the time he didn't have much pressure. That case also pointed out my bad position on NB'S train. I stated this earlier yet you ignored it. So please let me know your reasons.

[michellem]

Pral is probably just panicking and throwing himself at what he thought was an easy target, Kaylee. They probably talked about it in their QT; considering how tightly AJ tried to tie himself to you  

[csarmi]

Pray that seems counter intuitive

Atleast she's had a cop view

As we can be almost sure that the remaining scan is gf...

[Pralaya]

Pral: please enlighten me how my play has been scummy. I've made good cases, including one on AJ. At the time he didn't have much pressure. That case also pointed out my bad position on NB'S train. I stated this earlier yet you ignored it. So please let me know your reasons.

 

Ok, if you want to.

 

When Andrej voted NotBob in Day 1, you had not voted anyone. At that point in time, NotBob did not have a lot of votes on him. Then suddenly he gets two votes, Darthe switches vote and the things have turned and you start questioning him. 

 

 

unvote vote notbob.

Why the switch? After your last comment and the post before (I think AJ) voting Not Bob to even the train, the timing of your switch with no explanation feels off.

 

This was your next post. Given the context that I presented earlier, the "evening out" comment seems entirely scummy

 

 

Vote Pral

 

I decided to even the trains out, that and I'm still unsure of Pral.

 

 

Getting a wrong read on someone is fine. Everyone does that at some point of time. But, given the context of where this was, it felt scummy. 

 

Next, yes, you made the case on Andrej. By then he had already got a couple of cases already and people were starting to vote him.  Also, he had already started his distancing tactic with you before you made the case on him. Since he came on the start of Day 2, he had some back and forths with you. So, I will take that with a pinch of salt.

 

Finally, the below post is what tilts in your favor. Especially considering now that there is a very good possibility of a GF existing. And you brought it up not once but twice on Day 1, as soon as the game begins.

 

 

Exactly, not that you know for sure, just means it's better not to rush. (Unless you get a guilty cop viewing). Even then though it's best to not rush.

 

 

 

 

You stand out to me for the comment about wanting to rush. I'm still getting reads on people.

Why does that stand out for you?

 

My main point (which didn't go through, assuming from the reactions) was that the "no rush to run people up" argument is a weak one.

Pressuring people is town play - keeping vote counts and information down is maffia play.

 

When I had previously mentioned not liking rush lynches you said why not? 

Blue: Why does that stand out? Because rushing does not give town info as I stated. 

Bold: I said nothing about keeping vote counts down. I said that I didn't like rush lynches and votes, especially with no real reason such as a guilty cop viewing. To rush a lynch does keep information down and helps only mafia. So I'm confused on what you mean by the bold. Is it because I wasn't voting anyone yet? I felt no need to rush in. Atm there was no deadline and I am still getting a feel for everyone.

 

[Pralaya]

Oh look! I mention Pral and he pops up. And again completly ignores my case, vote and that I pointed out that the ignored my case. And the reasons people have been airing about why Kaylee is the least likely to be mafia outside of Csarmi/Peace. Wooow.

 

Your case was so full of assumptions and it had nothing on what I said but just on others' possible actions.

 

1. You assumed that scum targetted Cloud. You don't know that (or do you?). You are just assuming that both Darthe and scum targetted Cloud when it is very much possible that they tried too kill Csarmi

2. You assumed that there is Godfather in the game. Remember that when you made the case, it was BEFORE AJ died and you had no way way of knowing that there is a GF (or did you?). IN your own words, " I think I forgot to mention that most of tihs is based on the belief that he's the Godfather.". Right

3. You assumed that the town had a lot of suspicion on me. You were not thee, Dice was playing. If you are just skimming through, it does appear that I had but at that point of time, it was not so much that scum had to employ a round-about tactic of killing Cloud just to remove suspicion on me. 

 

So, basically all your arguments are full of assumptions that it looks like you forcefully crafted a whole case.

 

Let's assume that the scum targetted Cloud,  it can be two things

1. You are blindly, foolishly falling into the bait that scum created 

2. You are scum and you thought people will start suspecting me and linking me with Cloud using this roundabout logic. When that didn't happen, you are trying very hard - really, really hard - to put it back into focus.

 

I believe it is the former. 

[michellem]

Pral... Did you even read the posts I made about how it's unlikely, and downright stupid, for AJ to link himself like he did to Kaylee, if she's mafia? It doesn't even work with "oh mafia would never do that, so we'll do that becayse it seems unlikely". With one member down, and AJ having a very big chance of going down, that would simply be stupid.

 

And I'm still waiting on you to adress my case, that's the third time you've competly ignored me now.

[michellem]

Oh look thre it was. Ok I'll read and respond now.

[Pralaya]

Pral... Did you even read the posts I made about how it's unlikely, and downright stupid, for AJ to link himself like he did to Kaylee, if she's mafia? It doesn't even work with "oh mafia would never do that, so we'll do that becayse it seems unlikely". With one member down, and AJ having a very big chance of going down, that would simply be stupid.

 

It has been done before. Even after I started playing here. So, it is not unlikely.