Daps Basic Mafia - GAME OVER, Mafia Wins!

[Kaylee]

If 1/4 ratio was used then that means 4 possible scum. There's no way to know what alignment Darthe was, and we only have nailed one scum so far: David. I'm going to back through and look at David's interactions to see if I can find anything. If we starte with 4 scum and Darthe was town, it's not looking good at all. Actually if that was the case and the typical win condition of "equal or outnumber town" was used then it would be game over. That gives me some hope. Basically we need to find scum again soon or we've lost.

[Lenlo]

Still good with Tiink

 

As for the case Kaylee I dunno what to say. So im not going to quote all that cause it would be silly but afew things. 

1) I dont like bringing meta into this, I just dislike it. ((Though it doesnt help that im trying to change my own.))

2) The Krak rhyme and vote thing. My response to his rhyme vote on me was joking. I think it was a stupid vote with no logic in it but its hard to fight that, so I chose to have fun with it instead. Besides I thought they were kinda clever.

3) Your purple thing about me being nervous. I thought it a good question to ask. If you do have information that we dont then that needs looking at because only 4-5 people would have information the rest of us dont and 3-4 of those people would be scum. ((Im saying 4-5/3-4 for this because we dont know if there are 3 scum or 4. Just so there isnt any confusion.))

[Kaylee]

David's posts:

 

I would have imagined there being more meaningful posts by now. Anyway, it has never been my style to lurk. I think the most suspicious of the lot is Pralaya, but having said that, Lenlo was the first to mention that Pralaya was "classic public mafia", which I don't really get. What's a public mafia?

Anyway, it's probably still too soon to be reading anything into this.

Mentions Pral being the most suspicious, not sure how though. Oh, mentions Len mentioning Pral...What exactly was the purpose of mentioning the bold at all? 

 

 

And of course Lenlo was joking with the public mafia thing, but you never know.

Of course he was joking but you never know? Sowing WIFOM on Lenlo...sounds like protecting a teammate.

 

 

Right, I knew what Java was, but I've never heard of Basic. Just assumed pralaya meant "go basic mafia game" since we are in a basic game.

 

This is why I don't particularly like these joke posts.

Hmm...yet Pral is the most suspicious. (Could be distancing...or laying seeds for a possible lynch target, not sure which).

 

 

 

This game started 4 days ago people.  Let's get it together. 

 

Vote Darthe.

You seem set on lynching Darthe. Maybe you think he can be an easy lynch?

 

Vote peacesells

 

Not too much to read into this.

 

 

It's too early to make any real analysis which is why I haven't posted much mcs. So, I'm voting for peace because it's very possible that he was trying to get an easy lynch on Darthe, but changed it to me, when I called him on it.

"No really, it's possible he's scum and trying to go for an easy lynch..."

 

 

Krak, I also find it weird that instead of reasoning or just voting, you did it with a rhyme. Perhaps you didn't want to make any comments so people couldn't use it against you. But it does feel like an evasive tactic to me. So, in the hopes that you are mafia I'll switch my vote to you.

 

Unvote peace. Vote Krak.

Joins in on Krak...giving him a way out with the bold. He gives him an excuse, then a reason to lynch him with the tactic line. Over-explaining a vote. (Sound like anyone else we know?)

I'm not sure if he was distancing from Krak here or just trying to seem townie.

 

 

I've never seen a random modkill before, although of course I can imagine what it entails.

 

I still think Krak was lying low in his own weird way.

Now he sounds a lot more sure of Krak being scum.

 

 

Well the random modkill was a bit anticlimactic. Well to put it bluntly, if I had voted mcs and he flipped town, then that would have made me look very suspicious as it looked like mcs was an easy lynch. Who goes for easy lynches? Mafia, that's who.

Basically the random modkill could have gotten a mafia although probability-wise it's more likely to get town. But the mafia would love an easy lynch, and so I find those players really gunning for mcs suspicious.

The game is about lynching mafia and so we have to find those the most suspicious, not the easiest lynch as we are likely to get town that way.

Trying to sound townie...failed miserably!

 

 

 

David: anything else to say?

 

I would love to know why the mafia went for bg as he didn't stand out much to me. Perhaps they want to keep the more "noisy" players in to keep the town distracted. (I know this from being mafia in my previous games).

 

Well the random modkill was a bit anticlimactic. Well to put it bluntly, if I had voted mcs and he flipped town, then that would have made me look very suspicious as it looked like mcs was an easy lynch. Who goes for easy lynches? Mafia, that's who.

Basically the random modkill could have gotten a mafia although probability-wise it's more likely to get town. But the mafia would love an easy lynch, and so I find those players really gunning for mcs suspicious.

The game is about lynching mafia and so we have to find those the most suspicious, not the easiest lynch as we are likely to get town that way.

I think I made a good point here which is highlighted in red. It's very easy for a townie to look suspicious, in fact I would go so far as to say the more suspicious they are the more likely they are town. Ok so I said in post that we have to look for the suspicious ones but honestly that is a very vague method. I can't tell you how many times people found me suspicious when I was town because of my erratic posts and not believing what I had to say. But I think the mafia just want to stop any bandwagons happening to them and lynch all the townies, so going for an easy lynch is something I find very scummy.

 

Bold: You know it from being mafia now too...and it was a distraction all of it's own.

Purple: I read this as protecting someone that was coming off as suspicious...Lenlo maybe? Krak?

Teal: You think so, really? Now why would they want to do that for I wonder?

 

[Kaylee]

Part 2:

 

 

Ahh, some activity and am back from the weekend too. Tough to get any specific read from just a few pages but here are my thoughts.

 

Tinker - His actions feel like he was trying to kickstart the game. Nothing much was happening and I don't see anything scummy in his vote. Leaning town

David - his initial confusion about the joke seemed forced. It did not seem like an innocent misunderstanding at all. More like he was trying to be a bit manipulative. Leaning scum

Krak - seems to be voting everybody out there, looking to see who catches on. First was a joke vote on me, then on tinker and then on Darthe. Leaning scum

Peace - seems to be pushing his lynch on Darthe. I think his initial moves were to fish reactions but he has carried it over. Not really sure, but I think town

Darthe - Darthe being Darthe so far. Only a town read on his as of now. 

Lenlo - not enough serious posts to get a read on

MCS - his initial comments against inactives seems a bit suspicious. Again, not much to go on for now but leaning scum

BG, Gen, Nica, Ishy (replacement) - nothing

 

So far, I think it is David, Krak or MCS who are on my radar. But, my vote is on David.

 

vote David

 

 

I'm not sure as yet as there are some I don't know.

Krak: I was thinking the same as Pral actually.

 

This is the first time we see that you agree with Pralaya. This is ok by itself, but when you repeatedly do it, it looks weird, that's all I can say.

Krak: I am also curious of the changing votes without explanation, then answering in rhymes. Is there a reason or what?

 

 

 

@tink
From what I see,
Throwing votes around, evading direct questions or points, telling that he is town without a necessity.

This

 

 

 

Vote Krak

 

Here you vote Krak after Pralaya does. So far though you would be playing as expected, as you found Krak suspicious and he didn't resolve that issue about his rhyming.

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

 

Vote Krak

 

 

 

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

Vote Krak

Bandwagon and sad reasoning. Finally someone comes out to play.

Of course I don't have to post like that.

unvote, vote MCS

 

 

Of all the players that voted Krak, Krak singled out mcs for some reason.

 

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

Vote Krak

If you find someone scummier then vote them. Did you case or comment on them? If not, this is a good place to look.

 

 

 

Hi guys, I'm here and not completly up to speed, I just skimmed the game before to follow along for Nica.

 

I see however that we have 10 hours left til deadline, and one thing stuck out to me; and that is MCS's posts in general, but especially on this page. Might just be that I haven't played with him, but I find him way more pingworthy than either Krak, Tiink or Len at the moment.

 

Vote MCS

 

I'm heading to bed soon, so I won't be on again before deadline!

 

 

Unvote, Vote MCS

I'm sorry about all these quotes but I want to illustrate something here. Kaylee you found Krak quite suspicious and also I found that you agree with Pralaya a lot. Especially when you just quote and write "This", which I find a bit weird.

So after Krak and Misheru vote mcs, you switch your votes from Krak to mcs, because of very thin reasoning:"You should vote for who you think is the scummiest" but mcs later explained that Krak, if you like, jumped to the top of his list. But then when the deadline got close you wanted to keep lynching mcs. As I have said before, I believe you were going for an easy lynch, and this is what I think mafia would do.

 

Attempts to paint me as scummy for agreeing with Pral, also linking me with Pral. (If Pral turns out to be scum then it was a nice touch at distracting...though I'm not leaning scum on Pral atm).

Bold: In the middle of a case against me he takes the time to point out Krak going after MCS? What that about? Possibly attempting to paint someone else as scummy in town's eyes.

He then finishes his bogus case on me for "thin reasoning" and gives MCS an out by explaining for him. 

 

Ok, so in conclusion I vote Kaylee.

 

 

What do you mean "not really"? :)

You posted 4 short posts in a row, which in my opinion, you could put into one or two posts. I was also thinking you were being a bit defensive but Krak said it for me. I don't know about you making cases (I've looked at all your posts again), but you have voiced your opinions, which usually matched with Pralaya. ;)

 

(By the way, don't take any of this the wrong way.)

Unless someone is  more obviously scum then I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Talk about thin reasoning to vote someone...

Blue: making cases are voicing your opinion based on what someone else posted. (That was to inform David for next game...maybe he'll have better luck). More linking of Pral and I.

 

 

You are right, peacesells, being defensive in and of itself is not very telling but it is probably what you are defending that gives you away.

 

In my opinion Kaylee defended herself well, and I kind of feel bad that she had to explain herself so much (like how hard it is to post on the mobile and such, so, sorry about that Kaylee.)

 

But I have noticed, Kaylee, that you are asking for comments from me and Krak, which is fine as we all need information, but I hope that it's not a tactic to use our words against us and cause a train of votes to follow.

 

I think the scummiest thing about you was gunning for mcs to be lynched, which would have been an easy lynch for the mafia, so if you are town, you were only helping mafia, if mcs is town.

"Kaylee you defended yourself well, I apologize. Wait, I still think you're suspicious....I hope you're not trying to use our words against us. (Wouldn't that make me town?) You gunned for MCS...you're scummy".

 

 

Essentially, for some reason, mcs started to get a lot of votes quite close to the deadline, so it was pretty clear he was going to get lynched. He just needed the hammer vote to get lynched which the mafia could have done. Maybe all of them were on mcs's bandwagon and they just needed a few more town votes. I didn't want to change my vote from Krak to mcs, but there were 5 other players who also didn't change their votes, so I'm not the only one who "let it go to random".

 

mcs's lynch was an easy one because he already had 5 or 6 votes on him in a matter of hours with no real reasoning, in my opinion. So I bet the mafia were trying hard to get players to vote him.

"Guys I wasn't the only one to let it go random!"

 

 

 

Official Vote Count

Tiinker (2) - Darthe, Gen
BG (1) - Tiinker
Len (1) - Peace
Krak (2) - David, MCS
MCS (6) - Krak, Mish, Kaylee, BG, Len, Pral

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Not Voting
No one

Deadline

This is what I was referring to Kaylee. MCS had 6 votes on him. You were his 3rd vote. So, yes he was extremely close to being lynched. And it was obvious how inactive some players are so I don't see how a successful lynch could have happened.

 

3rd vote = scum theory. Wait, wasn't MCS an easy lynch just a post before this one? Now we're not sure how a successful lynch can happen. Hmm...

 

 

MCS: Think about it for a second. I doubt you are mafia because I doubt the mafia would allow one of their members to get lynched D1. Perhaps on D2, but really it's unnecessary on D1, as mafia could get a townie lynched without risking themselves. Surely one of the mafia could have hammered you if they wanted. Maybe all of them were already on your train of votes so they had to rely on town to finish you off (This is just my theory, of course). So you read town to me.

"I goofed up, I didn't mean to be make it obvious I know MCS is town".

 

 

 

I'm thinking the fact that MCS wasn't lynched and it went random makes it more likely that MCS is scum...not less. 

Actually, no. MCS had 6 votes on him, which could be a mixture of mafia and town votes. There were 6 other players with their votes elsewhere, again these could be a mixture of mafia and townie players. So you have to explain why the town players who didn't vote mcs, decided not to lynch him. Basically at this point the mafia had no power to stop mcs's lynch other than unvoting him to reduce his number of votes.

 

The reason I didn't vote him was I didn't believe he was as scumworthy as Krak, and I didn't want to be the hammer vote.

 

Another push that Krak was scummy.

 

 

 

What the...?!  I wrote a huuuuge case here yesterday?! Where did it go? Arrgh!

 

Fine, incoming after I've done what I'm doing today. In a nutshell, it's a clearcut case that either MCS or David is mafia, or rather, that they both are. I'll redo it all when I come home this evening 

And by the way, very little is clear in this game, so how can you be so sure of anything? We'll have to see how a few more players flip, before we can make any real connections, in my opinion. In fact you've got me suspicious now with your surety.

 

Unvote Kaylee, vote Misheru Sedai.

 

Very little is clear except for David being scum.  

He's suspicious of Mish now because she seemed sure either MCS or David was scum.

 

 

David - Mafia Goon, has been Lynched



http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130828T14&p0=22&msg=Night+2

That's just over 24 hours to get your NAs in guys

The end of David the mafia goon.

[Kaylee]

Still good with Tiink

 

As for the case Kaylee I dunno what to say. So im not going to quote all that cause it would be silly but afew things. 

1) I dont like bringing meta into this, I just dislike it. ((Though it doesnt help that im trying to change my own.))

2) The Krak rhyme and vote thing. My response to his rhyme vote on me was joking. I think it was a stupid vote with no logic in it but its hard to fight that, so I chose to have fun with it instead. Besides I thought they were kinda clever.

3) Your purple thing about me being nervous. I thought it a good question to ask. If you do have information that we dont then that needs looking at because only 4-5 people would have information the rest of us dont and 3-4 of those people would be scum. ((Im saying 4-5/3-4 for this because we dont know if there are 3 scum or 4. Just so there isnt any confusion.))

1) Fair enough as am I.

2) That wasn't obvious to me, but I suppose I could see that.

3) It could be a good question, just struck me as nervous about it. (No I don't, if I did I would've used it by now).

 

I'm waiting to vote as it only takes 4 and that means 3 scum and 1 town. That and I'd like to hear from the rest of the living.

[Pralaya]

If 1/4 ratio was used then that means 4 possible scum. There's no way to know what alignment Darthe was, and we only have nailed one scum so far: David. I'm going to back through and look at David's interactions to see if I can find anything. If we starte with 4 scum and Darthe was town, it's not looking good at all. Actually if that was the case and the typical win condition of "equal or outnumber town" was used then it would be game over. That gives me some hope. Basically we need to find scum again soon or we've lost.

 

One small point. 1/4 of 12 is 3. There are 3 scum and I don't think there are third party in a basic game. 4 scum would be an overkill in a 12-member basic game.

 

Assuming the worst case of Darthe being town, that would mean there are still 2 scum left. Kaylee and Mish have seemed like town. I need to go back and read in detail to see if get any reads on them.

 

Among the others, I already have suspicions on Krak and Lenlo. Both of them have been at MCS throughout the game and like I pointed out earlier, the D3 vote was quick and was like leading the town. Tinker hammer was very irregular - however, i think it was because of his impending inactiveness. Maybe deception, but I am not reading fully scum on him.

 

I am still going with Lenlo as the top scum candidate. 

[michellem]

Good cases, Kay. I'm doing my reread as soon as I'm done reading the HP mafia QT. I do lean towards Tiink after those cases though. I'll see how I feel after a complete readthrough again. (on that note; I gotta say, as much as I love big, themed games with a lot of theme-tie ins for game mechanics and such, it's so much easier to play a smaller game... I needed this after the Scooby game, lol).

 

Also, I agree with Pral, I can't see us having more than 3 mafia.

[Pralaya]

Looks like nothing is happening here. No casing, no explanations, no talks either.

 

I am going ahead based on my earlier suspicions.

 

vote Lenlo

[dapianoplay3r]

official VC

 

Tiinker (1) - Len

Len (1) - Pral

 

not voting

Mish, Kaylee, Tinkerr, Krak

 

with 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch

 

deadline same as before. Cant code it on my phone

[Lenlo]

*whistle*

 

Wonder where the people are...

[Kaylee]

Looks like nothing is happening here. No casing, no explanations, no talks either.

 

I am going ahead based on my earlier suspicions.

 

vote Lenlo

What? I made cases and had plenty of explanations. With that said I'd be fine voting Tink or Lenlo.

 

Vote Tink

[Kaylee]

2 days till deadline, speak up people.

[Kaylee]

Krak & Tink: feel free to weigh in and place a vote.

[Pralaya]

 

Looks like nothing is happening here. No casing, no explanations, no talks either.

 

I am going ahead based on my earlier suspicions.

 

vote Lenlo

What? I made cases and had plenty of explanations. With that said I'd be fine voting Tink or Lenlo.

 

Vote Tink

 

 

Yeah, but there were no followups or discussions on those. Especially, in the last nearly 20  hours before my post there were no posts at all. No posts since daytime from Krak or Tinker. 

[Kaylee]

Ok, I understand. Hopefully they'll say something soon. Were you able to get anything useful from my David analysis?

[Pralaya]

I had a second look at your post, and this time in detail. 

So, lets see.

 

David first finds my actions scummy.

Then tries to link you to me and votes you.

In between he calls Lenlo suspicious.

He votes Peace randomly in between.

He also calls Krak as a scum.

He votes Mish out of the blue.

 

Wow, he is all around the place. He was definitely fishing around to see what latches on.

But, while reading all that, one thing did stood out. He never mentions Tinker at all. I frankly don't think it is a co-incidence. 

 

Unvote vote tinker

[Kaylee]

I was thinking the same thing. I couldn't remember who else he did not mention. Makes perfect sense to me. That puts him at L-1.

[Kaylee]

Mish, Krak any thoughts?

 

Tink: anything to say?

[dapianoplay3r]

official VC

 

Tiinker (3) - Len, Kaylee, Pal

 

not voting

Mish, Tinkerr, Krak

 

with 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch

 

deadline same as before. Cant code it on my phone

[Kaylee]

Anybody else around? Let's get this moving...post people!

[Lenlo]

Mostly waiting for Tiink, Krak or Mish. Right now im thinking Tiink is hoping to not say anything so that he doesnt have to explain anything.

[michellem]

Guys, I'm terribly sorry for dropping off the rader; RL wasn't nice to me this weekend, no energy for mafias. 

 

I thought I had voted Tiink? Well, in any case, it doesn't seem like he has any plans of showing up, and he's my nr 1 gut feel right now.

 

Vote Tiink

 

Byebye Tiink!

[Krakalakachkn]

Sorry guys, busy weekend with family. I'll be sporadic until later tomorrow.

 

 

IIf Mish hadn't hammered, I would have. Dude is way off.

 

Depending on how tinker flips, my list goes:

 

 

Lenlo

Pralaya

 

 

Mish

Kaylee

[dapianoplay3r]

official VC

 

Tiinker (4) - Len, Kaylee, Pal, Mish

 

not voting

Tinkerr, Krak

 

with 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch

 

That's a lynch!

[dapianoplay3r]

Tiinker - Vanilla Town

Has been lynched

 

It is now Night. You have 24 hours to get those actions in!