(BASIC): The Perfect Pizza Town wins

[Songstress]

My list, just for you Darthe. Obviously everything is subject to change, like your reads on me and Berf ... but as of right now:

 

Tress

Hally

Peace

Cindy

Pralaya

Berf

Darthe

[Darthe]

I see a logical contradiction in your reasons for thinking me mafia and for thinking peace town.  We are similar, the difference being that I can't shut up and he can't talk.

[Songstress]

I see a logical contradiction in your reasons for thinking me mafia and for thinking peace town.  We are similar, the difference being that I can't shut up and he can't talk.

 

You have no idea why I think Peace is town.  There is no contradiction.

[peacesells]

Asking for scum lists at night was used succesfully by the scum team in Nolders game against town.  Yet another reason why Darthe is scummy.

[Darthe]

 

I see a logical contradiction in your reasons for thinking me mafia and for thinking peace town.  We are similar, the difference being that I can't shut up and he can't talk.

 

You have no idea why I think Peace is town.  There is no contradiction.

 

 

I don't need to know, though you explaining would certainly be beneficial.

 

Peace and I were both early on each mafia member's trains.  You think that I am pulling a gambit based on my attitude (which is conf bias but w/e) and my votes.  Thus to not do the same of him is logical disparity.

[Darthe]

Asking for scum lists at night was used succesfully by the scum team in Nolders game against town.  Yet another reason why Darthe is scummy.

 

Asking for it during the day would have taken time from our day and still be viable for mafia tonight.  I figure I am likely to die so your point is.. what exactly?

 

Oh, and this is the first that I recall you saying anything of me since the beginning of the day.  Got a reason for not pushing me if you think me mafia or do you just intend to float along and expect people to let you by with it?

[Songstress]

I think that you are pulling a gambit based on the fact that I do not believe Despo would have done the "lay down and die" act without being absolutely convinced his remaining teammate was not going to be suspected, and that fits your position quite admirably - in combination with the fact that you're rolefishing, and the fact that you went from being ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN during the previous night phase that I was town to me being your NUMBER ONE SUSPECT for mafia, pretty much solely because I was voting you.

 

Conversely, I do not think Peace is mafia because the way he has played this game does NOT fit with my thoughts about how Despo played at the end. I think he's one of the people that would be easiest to suspect because of how he has played without explaining votes.  In considering that, I came up with a couple of alternate ideas as to why he's been playing this way, and I think it's most prudent not to say it.  For one thing, it's all speculation, and if I'm wrong there could be harm in the explanation.  Or if I'm not wrong, it's better that way too.

[Songstress]

I figure I am likely to die so your point is.. what exactly?

To be frank, mafia would be dumb to kill you.  Much like Berf.

 

I almost wish they would, just so I'd be able to rule you out, but if I'm wrong about you they'd much rather have us at one another's throats than make it easier to find them.

[Hallia]

Tress, I think you're right.  I think Darthe might just be pulling a gambit.

 

Cindy is town.
Kaylee is town.

vote WBK

For being mafia. "??" Does not constitute a townie first post.

 

I think they could've easily planned the bussing.

 

I'm willing to see where this goes. Darthe has been on a roll as a townie lately, and gives himself away as scum too easily

 

Vote WBK

 

See how they joined in together?

 

 

Cool. Now explain why you haven't argued against being mafia and your thoughts on others.

Specifically Des.

 

Because there is really nothing to argue about - you're case is kind of far-fetched and Des is buddying.  Thus I don't feel like there is much to argue at this point.

 

Thoughts on others - mostly spam and commenting on it which means there is not much to go off of.

 

Here's a list though:

 

Cindy - Commenting on spam

Kaylee - being nice and friendly and welcoming

Darthe - Trying to get the action going - votes me, and then des

Krak - discussion on GRE - votes berf

Tress - fairly active during N0 - don't believe she's spoken since day started

Berf - Same as tress

Despo - willing to follow darthe

Hallia - not saying much - has stopped in to say at work and can't get on here during work time.

Tiink - Not posted much - said hi and joined in on the GRE joking

Peace - don't believe has spoken since day

Panchi - 1 post about pizza being in a square box.

 

Those are all the players that have posted in here so far.  I would like to see other people coming in and interacting before voting since a deadline has not been set yet and we have time.

 

 

 

Stuck at work for another 3 hours or so.

Poking my head in to say that for Darthe's sake I hope he is town, poor fella. *comforts*

Des is giving me more of a town vibe for meta reasons. Not to say he can't use the meta to screw with people's reads on him, but if he's outrageously slap-me-in-the-face scummy on D1 that's normally a town tell for him.[/quote

Even if I thought des was town this post would be terrible. A meta tell is fine I guess, but this post reeks of fence post sitting and the entire second paragraph attempts to WIFOM des (why would a townie ever do that?!) by saying that he is so scummy he must be town because meta.

Also ).) hate you Basel. Unvote vote Des since you wanna be formal about it.

 

 

Okay reads:

Darthe: town

Tress: leaning strongly scum. Not only did she fence sit on me, she introduced wifom on me even if I wasn't lynched (she could come back to me later- "remember how SCUMMY he was acting earlier guys?!?!"), and then started backpedaling on what she said after being challenged by Darthe. Incidentally, what she said is partially true, I do try acting a little scummy early in games as town to try and avoid NK's, but her mentioning that midgame could easily be an attempt to buddy to me or to gain town cred on my flip

Berf: leaning slightly scum. His obvious bandwagon vote accompanied with the blatant cheerleading stuff seems a lot like an attempt to provoke me. Ever since the end of the Merlin mafia game he has had a hard on for trying to show up and contradict me.

Krak: leaning slightly scum. His "Oh you two..." comment seemed like it could a been scum enjoying hanging back and watching two townies bicker at each other.

Kaylee: leaning town. Don't think she would have posted such an obvious fence-sitting post as scum.

Vote Tress

 

We know Kay was town, he is kinda passive on Krak, who was town, he pushes the strong scum onto you tress.  He puts darthe as town and berf as 'slightly scum'  One of them is mafia.  I betcha.

[Darthe]

For the record, "See how they joined in together?" Is rhetoric and conf bias out the wazoo.

 

I'm not letting myself be killed because I am too damn good this game, but if I am killed its going to be posts and posters like the above two that lose for us. Just so you all know.

[berf]

I have a giant pile of post analysis typed up in a huge wall of text that represents my case on both Darthe and Tress.

 

But ultimately, my proof is this:

 

Tress used colored text. (post 5 red (the vote))

Kronos quoted colored text. (Post 11 Red)

Darthe used colored text. (Blue, post 74)

Desp used colored text. (post 84 red purple blue green yellow)

 

Nobody else used coloured text.

 

 

 

My plan of action is to lynch Tress, and then to lynch Darthe.

 

Pay very close to both of their reactions. 

[Songstress]

Nice town attitude there, Darthe.

[Songstress]

And Berf, dear, it's still night phase. You may just convince me to switch my order of priority for scumminess with crap like that.

[berf]

Kill me all you want.

 

Post #127 and onward

 

Darthe buddies everyone upon opening.

Buddies Kay (In my opinion - good maf target - they agree because they NK'd her)

Votes Kronos who replies instantly but not too instantly, soft reason because of course this is Darthe playing his meta

 

Kronos light reply.

Darthe brag post. Actually points out the instantness of the reply.

 

Desp rofls. Jokes with Darthe. Buddys Darthe - early distancing ala kronos.

 

(Already it's Darthe throwing stuff at designated easy lynch candidates Kronos and Desp... After an initial mafia conference planning this out of course)

 

 

Darthe points out the Despo buddying. Again distancing, again putting Darthe on the 'assumed' town side of the argument.

 

Name mix up. Darthe calling Kronos cloud.

 

Desp over explaining stuff. SPELLS IT OUT "You've been too easy to ping as scum lately." How did I not see this before. Also subliminal language on Desp's obligatory counter-FoS on Darthe. Seem. Makes me wonder. Jumping at shadows JUST A BIT.

 

He doesn't believe his own FoS. Mafia casing mafia.

 

It goes back and forth. If I hold in my head that Darthe and Desp and Kronos are mafia, I can see the reads and votes as fronting.

 

Darthe points out that now Desp flipping scum when he dies will connect with Darthe - pointing it out to counter it later. "This is what he wanted."

 

Also, interestingly, says we can't know the meaning or results of the triggers. Interesting.

 

Halli comes in, calls Darthe town, which he readily agree's with.

 

Tress chines in, stuck at work, back later, says she hopes Darthe is town, calls Desp town because he seems mafia. UGH.

 

Again Darthe distancing on Tress. Calls the post horrible, but doesn't directly question it...

 

 

 

 

Anyway. Desp rolls off his vote easily and rolls over and dies. All part of the plan. Playing into the meta. He's a busy guy - he doesn't mind being the target this game.

And distances Tress with his next vote, but not before giving me as slightly scum so he can easily roll over when I respond, no matter what I respond with. Buddies Kay - The NK target already no doubt - just in case.

 

Acknowledges the self sacrifice angle. HE WANTED OUT OF THIS GAME. Softly returns - eh ok ok. maybe I was being emo LOL. Still leaves himself an out though. 

 

Tress distances. Doesn't vote. Calls him out for weird behavior though.

 

Distances from Darthe. Acknowledges Desp in the first person, but Darthe in the third?

 

Kronos begins the berf pile on. Mild distancing from Darthe.

 

Darthe votes Kronos. No real reason, just wants him to answer some questions. 

 

Prods cindy into posting. Doesn't comment on said thoughts after he gets them. ????

 

Prods Hal, then buddies.

 

Interesting sidebar - Kay was sus of Desp and Darthe.

 

And then. Desp presents his case. And without provocation, posts the giant ass wall of text explination for his case. My lynch was an obvious set up, but it couldn't appear that way, so kronos had to kickstart it. Desp had built the case though.

 

Darthe starts the next RL day - Berf is a good option - soft town opinion, wants to push the lynch because it isn't in trouble yet, but doesn't want to risk stopping it. 

 

Darthe then unvotes and votes Desp -Lets Mish off the hook to tunnel Desp for the initial case and doesn't comment on the emo at all. Just calls it a lapse in logic. Makes sure to mention that Tress mentioned Desp was scummy - and says "THUS IF DESP IS MAFIA THEN TRESS IS SURELY TOWN"(Though it doesn't help any if he is town - the afterthought

 

At this stage what I believe is happening is that mafia have realised they have a lynch, so Godfather sacrifice plan isn't going ahead. Desp suddenly perks the hell up and builds a monster case, and they resume distancing Darthe because they know when Desp dies (and it is still the plan for him to do so), Darthe will look clean. 

 

Tress weighs in - Asks all the quiet people for opinions, asks Kay for her opinion on Desp

 

They hedge thier bets by keeping Darthe off the berf lynch. And he can defend me so well because he knows I am town.

 

Tress is sure to ignore all of it to ask about the apparent lapse in my judgement by FoSing Mish while holding her outside the triggers. 

 

Further Darthe and Tress distancing. 

 

Desp later mentions in a wall of text that a post by Darthe might well be Darthe distancing from Kronos (IE when Desp goes down as mafia, this thought will be discounted). Trying to link Darthe to Kronos in case Kronos flips as well.

 

Accepts Tress hands down. 

 

Anyway - further proof. The ease at which Desp rolls onto WBK is sickening, especially after the back and forth we had. It is OBVIOUS WBK was out of the game at this point, and the sacrifice angle has been put the side for now. Bussing on Desp or Kronos early game is a null tell at worst, scum tell at best.

 

Darthe rolls onto WBK - don't really care which way it goes. ...

 

Tress rolls in but stays off the WBK train. Don't want everyone on it now...

 

Darthe then nspires krak and cindy to hammer. 

 

 

 

And that is day 1.

[berf]

Go back and read it people. The mafia are tripping over themselves.

[berf]

Summation: Day 1

 

Game starts. Our 4 coloured friends get together. Desp has rolled godfather, so they think let's use that to distance ourselves and look town. They all take the opportunity to distance each other as much as possible. It is like the mafia are the only people playing and making moves.

 

I pop up as a lynchable target. The tone changes, desp comes out swinging. The lynch stalls, plans change. They find out in QT or something that Kronos needs to drop out. They all seize the chance, being smart about it of course by keeping Tress off.

 

Continuing.

[Songstress]

So you think we have two mafia left, and both Darthe and I are mafia?

[berf]

Correct.

 

Day 2 Onward:

 

 

 

 

Day 2

 

 

 

Day starts. Darthe immediately on Des no explination. Then all three are suddenly buddying me a bit. 

 

Desp plants the seeds of leaving (five day break) and votes Darthe. Distancing.

 

 

Despo's reads, post SELF SACRIFICE - ENGAGED

 

Scum: Darthe, Cindy, Peace, Hallia

 

Town: Berf, Mish, Krak, Tress 

 

 

 

 

Interesting note - Darthe was around, but didn't encourage the voters.

 

Desp Hammered by Mish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Night 2 

 

 

 

 

DARTHE USES COLOURS IN POST 526 THE CHEEKY SOD

 

Mish speaks up and is shredded by Darthe - a handy target because Tress is a nogo despite earier FoSing at each other. AKA Distancing.

 

 

 

Darthe, after the Desp Godfather reveal.

 

Hey guys. Clearly I am bussing my entire team and chose to do this from the opening moments etc etc.

 

WHY DOES HE NEED TO SAY THIS. Incongruent.

 

 

 

Tress chimes in and says unlikely more than one mafia left, so she is surprised that Desp fell over that easy. Warms to Darthe a bit. Shocking now that they have to pick new targets. 

 

Also note how Tress is very dismissive of anyone who isn't Darthe or Desp, and only engages me to case me and shoot me down with No Dear, Ok Dear.

 

 

 

Darthe reads:

 

My top three right now are:

 

Mish

Pralaya

Tress

 

 

Includes tress because he has to, includes Mish because earlier stuff with me, includes Praya because easy target. Nudging away from Tress.

 

 

 

I post a case, Darthe slips from friending me so and says I ping. 

 

Tress dismisses.

 

Darthe completes his Tress backflip. Laughs off a comment about him being mafia, despite the earlier theatrics. Then completes the backflip by voting me at start of DAY 3

 

 

 

 

 

 

DAY 3

 

Darthe votes me

 

Laughs off my counter vote.Basically just calls my vote a logical fail and doesn't really answer to it. Then calls tress NOT MAFIA again.

 

 

 

Tress then presents her targets - again ignoring everyone except except Darthe and I. Throws in a Praya reference for safety. Basically says there is now way Darthe would run a gambit like that, but then says he is her best bet???

 

Darthe puts it out there that there is likely one quiet mafia. Because of course.

 

And then check post 617.

 

Contradictory. It's too good to be true. I wouldn't do it because it's too obvious, but then why the earlier outrage at being implicated so? Then blows up at me for saying it could be the case. Tries to defame me.

 

 

 

Tress rolls in and votes Darthe for distancing. Knows he is in trouble because he backflips again on me. Tress still leaves herself open to a berf lynch of course.

 

Darth distancing Tress by putting her on his scum lynch, despite calling her super town earlier. Throws out juicy targets with her though, as in krak and peace. Votes Peace.

 

Tress then calls Darthe out for the switch. They are putting the heavy distance on now.

 

 

 

Later that day Tress puts up a list - unbidden really, her vote was parked on Darthe at the time - WIlling to vote Darthe, berf, Praya, and maybe cindy. 

 

Sure to keep the pressure on me, distance from darthe, juicy target praya and new exotic target cindy. (Classic look at me I have controversial opinions and I am not afraid to admit them because I am town)

 

 

Darthe instantly jumps in against the reads. And buddys me.

 

Tress says that she is "wary" of Darthe, despite voting him and advocating his lynch. WARY. Mafia going soft on mafia subconciously. Then reluctantly hammers Krak. Only doesn't and I have to.

 

 

 

 

 

NIGHT 4

 

Darthe instantly throws out Tress and peace fos after the Hammer.

 

Tress is suddenly belieiving the Darthe bussing two teammates theory.

 

 

 

TL:DR next

[berf]

Abbridged:

 

 

Day 1.

 

Despo rolls Godfather, decides on the sacrifice. They go for it, but attempt to switch it to a berf lynch which fails. Kronos has to go AWOL so Desp and Darthe pile on, leaving Tress off.

 

Day 2.

 

Easy Despo rollover, going down in a blaze of linking Darthe and Tress all over the damn place, both of whom are sure to be pretty scarce. Darthe spends the night claiming he couldn't possibly be pulling the too obvious gambit, and distances from Tress.

 

Day 3

 

A completely stalled day by back and forth FoSing between Darthe and Tress, ultimately ending in a useless lynch on Krak. With everyone not knowing what to think of either of them, nobody is willing to speak up.

 

Because it's both.

 

 

I implore you to go back and read.

[berf]

Day three continued: Darthe's super weird flip on me, and the subtle softening of Darthe and Tress' opinions of each other instantly reverting the second they knew he slipped.

[berf]

and I'm going to bed.

 

G'night!

[Songstress]

Tress then presents her targets - again ignoring everyone except except Darthe and I. Throws in a Praya reference for safety. Basically says there is now way Darthe would run a gambit like that, but then says he is her best bet???

Berf, dear, your sarcasm detector needs to be calibrated.

 

 

Later that day Tress puts up a list - unbidden really, her vote was parked on Darthe at the time - WIlling to vote Darthe, berf, Praya, and maybe cindy. 

 

Sure to keep the pressure on me, distance from darthe, juicy target praya and new exotic target cindy. (Classic look at me I have controversial opinions and I am not afraid to admit them because I am town)

 

We were getting quite close to deadline with no movement toward achieving a lynch at that point.  I put up my list of people I was willing to vote in order of preference in hopes that we could move toward a compromise instead of me and Peace sitting on Darthe forever while the day goes random.

 

Once more, your interpretation of my actions is incorrect. Where's Darthe ranting about confirmation bias when you need him?

 

At the risk of gaming the mod, I strongly doubt there are two mafia left in this game. With 13 players, 4 mafia would be well over 25%, just a shade under 33% mafia. Basel wouldn't overload mafia like that in a basic game - in an advanced game, with a ton of town power roles, perhaps. In basic games, he like most good mods tends to lean more toward a 25% mafia ratio, and heavy on the vanillas. Hally's vig claim was one-shot, and the fact that he did that (if she's telling the truth, obviously) says to me that he didn't load the mafia heavily. Being an informed minority is significant enough. With a godfather and a goon already exposed, the most I'd say could be left is a limited-shot roleblocker, if not another goon.

 

I'm town, Berf. If I'm wrong about you, that doesn't make me mafia. If I'm wrong about Darthe, that still doesn't make me mafia. But the theory I'm working with still stands. I think Despo would not have gone down without a fight unless he expected his last teammate was very safe indeed.

 

Going back through my thought processes from D1, I did recall something else I never followed up on, and I may revise my order of suspicion based on that, but I'll have to consider it a bit more.

[Darthe]

Good read through. I don't really need to argue the point. I can see that this rediculousness has been carried too far to live.

 

I only request that Tress die first. If that's scummy, so be it, but I want a chance at being 3/3

[Basel Gill]

The hottest, spiciest topping had still been in play. One of the pizza makers had a weak stomach, though. "These jalapenos, my system cannot handle them. We must leave them off." His partner was digestively stronger and had no issues with spice. But he bowed to the rules that they had to be in agreement.

 

Pralaya, jalapenos, vanilla town, has been killed.

 

It is now Day 4. With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. DL is Mon. Aug. 5th at 9 PM EST.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130805T21&p0=422

[Darthe]

I'm of two minds about this. Either we are on the mafia and they can't risk killing one of us that's vocal about them or they are considered town by most and thus are leaving the entire issue alone.

 

vote tress

 

Time to find out. Just gonna say that a doc claim right now would be awesome. With Hally and the doc alive mafia should be unable and win save NK's.