Ten days after Samhain, 1057: Night 5 (CONCLUDED)

[Darthe]

No Len!  Don't tempt me.

[Hallia]

[Darthe]

YAR HAR FIDDLE DEE DEE 

[Hallia]

Bein' a pirate is alright with meeee

[csarmi]

Okay, let's go through the BS.

 

So you say that early play and a lot of discussion helps town, but then you call my reasoning for voting for you scummy? I also find it amusing that you first mention that your votes across the three threads were a trap, and then it was just a townie move because they have nothing to hide, and now they are joke votes? Make up your mind dude.

Story = changing

 

vote salami, peeps.

How was my story changing?

 

I started the game with making the exact same play in all three threads: I made a bandwagon vote with the very same reasoning, the only difference was the names. I used copy-paste and replace.

 

Some things were a given, obvious the minute I posted them.

 

1) The votes are obviously joke votes.

2) The posts will get attention for sure and they're likely to stir up some discussion.

3) There must be a plan I'm pursuing with it.

 

So yes, Cloud, they are joke votes, they are there to stir up discussion (which is good for town) and they're a trap. 3 in 1 :)

 

I don't think it takes a big logical step to come to these conclusions and I'm sure several players did.

 

Now on to the meta argument.

 

Vote Csarmi

 

He must be scum in at least one of them or he wouldn't use the same strategy three times, heh.

 

He's probably scum in one and setting some kind of meta using the other two where he's town. No way to differentiate so just kill'em three times.

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From trying to maintain the same strategy in all three games? Why would you do that if you weren't mafia?

 

 

Why would the Csarmi train take off so fast. Did I miss something?

The premise is simple.  Csarmi posted the exact same way in all three threads.  If he were Town, why would he do that?  As scum, it makes perfect sense.

 

Since we don't know which game(s) he is scum in, we just lynch him in all 3.  The serves a second purpose in exposing votes on his wagon across all three games.  If he flips scum in one game, for example, and that's the only of the two games that you didn't vote for him what would that say about you?  Scum buddy.  So this is a really a trap to find his scum buddies in whichever game(s) he's scum in.

 

We're obviously overlooking the remote possibility he's Town in all 3 and risking it in favor of the home run swing.

 

Total BS.

 

1) Setting meta with one post? Really?

2) The "let's lynch someone in all threads cause he might just be scum in one of those" argument holds for everybody. It has the obvious flow. Town lynches.

3) Is it just possible that I have another reason to do this?

[peacesells]

Total BS.

 

1) Setting meta with one post? Really?

2) The "let's lynch someone in all threads cause he might just be scum in one of those" argument holds for everybody. It has the obvious flow. Town lynches.

3) Is it just possible that I have another reason to do this?

 

 

once huge difference.  By your own admission you purposely posted the same way in all 3 threads which means you were actively conscience of how you were coming across and trying to establish a common meta.  No reason to take that approach if you are town in all 3 games.

[csarmi]

Hey y'all. I read the three threads and I gotta say that, for the most part, I have to agree with what Nolder, Yates, and people have been saying. We'll probably have about 5/6 scum per thread, which is about 1/4. If we can identify someone who is certainly scum in at least one of the games, our optimal strategy is to start lynching him in the game in which he is scummiest. If he flips scum, it isn't particularly likely that he'll flip scum again, so it's better to refocus on someone else, whereas if he flips town, that only increases the chance of him being scum in the other games.

What Nolder, Yates and Cloud are saying is a good basis for first day gaming arguments, but let's face it, this reasoning is a joke.

 

As to Cserna: he deliberately started his three threads in the same manner - with the exact same phrasing, in fact. If he were town in all three threads, his natural thought process wouldn't be to determine how to convince people of the fact that he is the same in all three, but rather he would react naturally and fluidly to what had been posted. His uniformity across the threads is forced as f anything. I'm certain he's scum in at least one of his threads, if not two, so starting by lynching him in his scummiest thread is really our best move at this point.

 

You really do believe that I was trying to convince people of that? Just how stupid do you take me for?

 

Cserna, would you be willing to claim the game(s) in which you are scum? If you do, we'll lynch you there, and since it would then be disadvantageous for us to lynch you elsewhere, leave you alive in your other game(s). If you do not claim a game in which you are scum, we will start lynching according to popular opinion, so probably with this thread, until we hit scum. Look at this as a compromise:  rather than lose 2 or even 3 slots (depending on how well we read you), you can survive today with 2 slots intact.

I can't. I'm town in all three games. My plan is to help town win in these 3 games. Unless I seriously misread something in the rules, I do not have to survive for my team to prevail.

Given my roles I'm quite free to choose my play.

 

I very much intend to vote Cserna once I have a good idea about which thread I'd most rather see him lynched and preferably once he's responded to my question.

 

Given the entirely cross-thread nature of the case for voting Cserna, I'm a bit surprised by the difference between the wagons on him (Gosh this is unusual terminology :/). I'll look at his wagons and see whether I can find potential scumbuddies wanting to avoid an early bus. I'll have to rely on you guys for helping me out with meta about that. I assume most of you have played with each other and can at least suggest whether others would join an early wagon to get their scumbuddy lynched. I know Ree and Yates wouldn't hesitate joining an early bus wagon, but I know many people that would.

 

Once I see a useful way to differentiate the three threads, I'll start posting isolated reads for each thread, but from a first readthrough, Cserna was my primary interest, and I think all that remains is deciding where to lynch him first.

Cross-analyzing the trains is a good idea. But no bussing will be happening and townie trains are much less informative than scum trains. I also think we need competing trains in all threads. If I get the chance to do some analysing at work then I'll try to do just that.

[csarmi]

once huge difference.  By your own admission you purposely posted the same way in all 3 threads which means you were actively conscience of how you were coming across and trying to establish a common meta.  No reason to take that approach if you are town in all 3 games.

I wasn't trying to establish a common meta. Not sure how anyone could think so.

 

Just how exactly do you think my copy-pasted posts help me do that? Please, enlighten me.

[Darthe]

Serra, I thought I knew you but I wen't back through my games and you weren't in any of them..

 

Where are you from?

[dapianoplay3r]

Refresh my memory

what was your grand trap you had set upagain?

[peacesells]

 

once huge difference.  By your own admission you purposely posted the same way in all 3 threads which means you were actively conscience of how you were coming across and trying to establish a common meta.  No reason to take that approach if you are town in all 3 games.

I wasn't trying to establish a common meta. Not sure how anyone could think so.

 

Just how exactly do you think my copy-pasted posts help me do that? Please, enlighten me.

 

 

Copy pasting the exact phrasing in all 3 threads IS establishing a common meta.  How could it be considered otherwise?

[csarmi]

Refresh my memory

what was your grand trap you had set upagain?

No grand trap.

It was "trap" in a sense that someone would make the connection and do something about it. Which would up discussion and make people take stances.

I also hoped that some scum would bite on it, there would be some easy reasonings available to put votes on me.

 

The next phase of the plan would be to analyze the trains and the reasonings. That would happen today.

[peacesells]

 

Refresh my memory

what was your grand trap you had set upagain?

No grand trap.

It was "trap" in a sense that someone would make the connection and do something about it. Which would up discussion and make people take stances.

I also hoped that some scum would bite on it, there would be some easy reasonings available to put votes on me.

 

The next phase of the plan would be to analyze the trains and the reasonings. That would happen today.

 

 

Trapping and then saying it was a trap is horrible play.  It never works when you say it's a trap.

 

And hoping scum would bite on it.  How would you know before they are dead?

 

So..what are gonna do for analyzing when most of voted you for the exact same reason as everyone else? 

[dapianoplay3r]

So not realy a trap then?

More like a discussion point

 

also to fully realise your "trap" you need to get a lynch

right now youre top yarget

 

so the only real issue is your "trap" ended up backfiring

[csarmi]

Copy pasting the exact phrasing in all 3 threads IS establishing a common meta.  How could it be considered otherwise?

I'm not sure if you're trolling me. But I will humour you.

 

The three posts were designed to be the very same for fun, to get reactions and to create a cross-thread event.

 

Establishing a common meta needs to be much more subtle and requires more posts than just one.

 

You know that I made them stand out on purpose.

[peacesells]

I'm not trolling you and I agree you made them on purpose. 

[csarmi]

 

 

Refresh my memory

what was your grand trap you had set upagain?

No grand trap.

It was "trap" in a sense that someone would make the connection and do something about it. Which would up discussion and make people take stances.

I also hoped that some scum would bite on it, there would be some easy reasonings available to put votes on me.

 

The next phase of the plan would be to analyze the trains and the reasonings. That would happen today.

 

 

Trapping and then saying it was a trap is horrible play.  It never works when you say it's a trap.

 

And hoping scum would bite on it.  How would you know before they are dead?

 

So..what are gonna do for analyzing when most of voted you for the exact same reason as everyone else?

 

That's a good point actually. Lots of sheeping going on and riding on that weak argument is, well, weak. But I can already see sme discussions forming.

[peacesells]

The only discussion forming is on which thread to lynch you first.  Or, if it should all be done simultaneously.

[csarmi]

I'm not trolling you and I agree you made them on purpose.

I'm glad that we established that. So you believe that I'm dumb? Cause trying to establish the same meta this way would be seriously stupid.

[csarmi]

The only discussion forming is on which thread to lynch you first.  Or, if it should all be done simultaneously.

Not really.

[dapianoplay3r]

Meta doesnt requiire sublty

its the way you act. You act via the way you post

therefore posting the same is acting the same which os pudhong the same meta

same siblty as a brick to the face but still acting the same

[csarmi]

The only discussion forming is on which thread to lynch you first.  Or, if it should all be done simultaneously.

But yea, maybe you guys should start scumhunting. There are quite a few posts to go on.

 

I won't be much of a help today. My colleague's mum was taken to a hospital and I'll have to take on all his work. I'll be checking in regularly, but don't expect me to be able to do much.

[dapianoplay3r]

Something for darthe. As these threads shift out of phase can you please label Day # and Night #. Not just day or night

 

the csarmi lynch wont happen simultaniously. After one or two flips people will get hesitant

[csarmi]

The csarmi lynch won't be happening.

[csarmi]

Anyway, I'll be back in an hour or two.

 

I'm Selma Ross, Vanilla Town in this game.