Ten days after Samhain, 1057: Night 5 (CONCLUDED)

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Everyone knows that Tina outed Verbal, but scum would want to overexaggerate their role in lynching Verbal to gain town cred. Don't think it's semantics...

 

 

Not when it is a cop id and when it is obvious as daylight who started it. A scum trying to take credit of a cop claim would make him suicidal.

 

 

This seems a lot like a "Mafia would never do this" type comment, and as I've said many times those are poor statements to use in defense of yourself.

 

In me eyes you did try to exaggerate your role in "outing" Verbal. We'll see what others think.

[hazelkrs1]

Only cuz my dad used to drag me off to museums when I was a kid. Tbh, I have no idea. A lot of art is bad for avis.

 

I never really got all the fuss about Monet until I actually went and saw his paintings in the Musée d'Orsay. One thing that doesn't come across in prints is that they're perfectly sized so that you instinctively stand at the proper viewing distance just to get the painting in a comfortable spot in your field of view.

 

Eh, was never a big fan of impressionism, and impressionist paintings and especially Monets wouldn't look that hot on an avi, as you pointed out.

 

Could always go with:

 

 

Hmmmm... might give me an idea...

[serra]

What's wrong with the lyncher mention, Desp? No one seemed to care here, so I didn't want to make a big point out of it, but softclaiming a cop-result is pretty standard lyncher play. If I fear there might be a lyncher, I would require a full-claim by anyone who claims a guilty, but I suppose that's again a difference in play style.

 

As to Rorschach, I don't see any motivation for scum to build a case on his buddy AFTER a guilty had been outed. He must have known he wouldn't get the full credit for the lynch, and I doubt scum would post that sort of case just to point at it and say "look at that, I totally wouldn't do that as scum". The fact that he's now using that as his defence isn't great play, but is actually something falsely accused town do a lot when they don't know what else to say.

[bgrishinko]

Could always go with:

 

 

Heeeeey..... That's the one I used to use before I changed it to my Memory of Light picture. I was planning on going back to that!

[bgrishinko]

Its mine. You can't have it.

[hazelkrs1]

What's wrong with the lyncher mention, Desp? No one seemed to care here, so I didn't want to make a big point out of it, but softclaiming a cop-result is pretty standard lyncher play. If I fear there might be a lyncher, I would require a full-claim by anyone who claims a guilty, but I suppose that's again a difference in play style.

 

As to Rorschach, I don't see any motivation for scum to build a case on his buddy AFTER a guilty had been outed. He must have known he wouldn't get the full credit for the lynch, and I doubt scum would post that sort of case just to point at it and say "look at that, I totally wouldn't do that as scum". The fact that he's now using that as his defence isn't great play, but is actually something falsely accused town do a lot when they don't know what else to say.

 

Mentioning the Lyncher gives you a perceived out for why Verbal wouldn't have flipped scum. Basically mentioning it makes it seem like you wouldn't be sure Verbal would flip scum. You do seem like you would be slippery scum indeed, so things that would be scumtells for others might not work for you, and things that might look like towntells for others would possibly be you consciously trying to drop those towntells. So yeah, while Razen and Rorschach seemed sure Verbal would flip scum, you would prob make it seem like you wouldn't be, hence ==> baguette the Lyncher mention

 

And honestly, I view Lynchers similarly as how I view Jesters (and much of this is because of how most DM mods treat those roles, I'll be honest). Basically, I don't mind letting them have their win condition, as long as it gets rid of the distraction for town. So yeah, bringing a Lyncher up wouldn't even really qualify as a good excuse for why voting Verbal wouldn't be a good idea in that scenario.

 

The paragraph about Rorschach seems largely like wifom to me. In another thread on this game, there was someone who was getting lynched, and who I obviously thought was scum, but then someone else still posted a case about them that I think could have been a scummate overjustifying the vote. So yeah, I can see scum doing what Rorschach did. And him using the "I wouldn't do that as scum" defense is poor, as you noted.

 

Aside from what I brought up, what makes you think Rorschach wouldn't make a good lynch? Has anything about his play seemed townie to you?

[michellem]

Meh I'll just go ahead an Vote Razen . Still rereading, but he and Chuckles are my main suspects right now and I want to see his flip. Leelou handled herself nicely today and I've had a town feel on her most of the game.

[Tiinker]

For the lolz.

[michellem]

Nice avi Tiink

[Tiinker]

Speaking of her claim; Leelou are all of your characters' names three letters?  I know you were yew in the other thread.  That kind of leads me to believe you're telling the truth regarding your claim.  I hope I'm right.

 

Vote Raz

Can someone tell me what name claims have to do with game play? Why would her having similar names validate her claim? 

[Tiinker]

Vote Leelou

 

Gross when combined with next Cloud post.

 

 

 

vote Chuckles

 

I know I was off yesterday, but Chuckles looked really bad in all of that exchange as well.

 

Pretty bad post here. "I know I look pretty scummy right now, but so does that guy!"

 

Pretty lame attempt at diverting. If she had at least tried posting some evidence or explanation why he looked worse, it would have been one thing. I think her hammer on Verbal was rehearsed and designed to try and buy some town cred.

 

Vote Leelou

 

 

Because I know no matter what I say you guys are going to speed lynch me anyways. I know scum is going to have a hand in driving my lynch since I'm going to be an easy townie to off and well not many people will come out looking bad from that when I flip town. I'd be looking at Cloud and Razen for that, they both really started pushing the lynch me the next day, followed by Prala there. I've already posted about his points from yesterday and he never responded and seems to be ignoring it. 

The whole post seems a bit ATE. If Leelou was Verbal's teammate then she would've known his VK role and would've pushed his lynch hard the second he'd been outed by the cop. You could argue that she wanted to be the hammer just to make sure he'd get lynched that day, but I doubt anyone had any doubts that Verbal was going to get roasted. 

 

If you're arguing that she was looking to have the cop verified I'll disagree with you based on Tina's posts and the speed of Verbals lynch.

 

 

Well, as Des pointed out, your statement that yes, you looked bad but so did chuckles was pretty scummy.  Your reactions to people's questioning hasn't really helped much...but at least you're contributing, hence why I don't see the harm in poking at Krak a little.

 

Going the safe way and following Despo, eh? So you think that Leelou is scummy, but because she is contributing you don't want to lynch her and you went for Krak instead? We can always lynch Krak, but right now there are better lynch candidates out there that actually will provide us the info we need to solve this puzzle.

 

 

More waffle/pretend contribution.

 

 

 

Also, why do you think Razen isn't voting for you?

 

I've asked him that, he hasn't answered. He has yet to say anything this phase except this: 

 

 

Nope, I'd rather look at those who just bandwagoned, gave horrible reasoning and the train in general

(Ill do all that at night, I'm busy and I'm still catching up on my phone)

 

Wait, so you think that Leelou isn't scum?

 

 

 

I didn't say we had to speedlynch Leelou, which is what everyone's implying.  I wanted to listen to what she had to say before placing a vote, just in case she'd give us any leads on her teammates.  She's trying really hard to redirect attention from herself by pulling up any name that she can to save herself from being lynched today.  Which she's about to succeed in, by the way.  Myself, Chuckles, Pral, anyone that said she should be lynched today for her behavior interacting with Verbal.  I don't think she cared which one, just as long as one of us got killed instead of her.  Chuckles looks suspect to me for saying that he doesn't think she's scum.  I could vote both way right now, but I'll vote: Leelou.

 

This screams someone trying to keep their cool when they know they're under the gun. Try not to overreact, try not to underreact. 

 

I'll look for some more of Clouds waffle later but it's 2 am.

[Tiinker]

Meh I'll just go ahead an Vote Razen . Still rereading, but he and Chuckles are my main suspects right now and I want to see his flip. Leelou handled herself nicely today and I've had a town feel on her most of the game.

Welp, there's the hammer. Goodbye Razen.

[michellem]

Yeah I couldn't be bothered to wait.

 

 

My reread of this one wasn't as easy... Not much stood out to me; no wonder really since each day has been pretty focused on 1 person. Razen and Chuckles as earlier mentioned are high on my list; Razen is mostly a gut feeling + he was one of those setting up for a Leelou lynch today. Chuckles, for his absoltuly horrid play D2, and his "justification" today hasn't been much better. I know he always plays horrible, but it feels different.

 

And a few quotes who caught my attention:

 

 

@Despot: Cheers!


I second the motion to claim. Vengeful or lynchproof, which is it?

 

This was D1, before we had any vengeful flips anywhere. From here on Mr. Ree will be dubbed Mr. Psycic. Spacy stuff.

 

 

I know all too well that you are willing to try and use site meta to explain away comments and actions like from Nolder's game. "What's a Symp??? We don't have those on MS." Then it turns out you are mafia and knew pretty early on what it was.

 

In this case "Knifes signify SK on MS, therefore it must be Nolder was the mafia kill." I think that was too quick of a reaction and that you KNOW that Nolder was a mafia kill. And now you are trying to backtrack and cover it up continually mentioning it as a reminder about how grumpy you are you don't know. Cause if you did know, that would be bad for you. If it wasn't for posts like this one, I might have believed your backtrack:

 

*Is still disgruntled about not knowing which kill was SK/Vig and which was Mafia*

 

 

I don't believe it.

 

Vote Yates

 

 

 

Somebody's butt hurt over T2. 

 

Also, it's still night, brony.  Tug in those reigns a bit.  There's still night actions to resolve and sift through.  And what if I'm dead in the morning?  *Yates shakes head side to side*

 

 

How can you think you were in T2 when you are referencing T2 IN THE POST???

 

 

 

Then these two quotes on Yates, who's now my scum read nr. 2. Two way too big things put together to make me even consider he's a townie.

 

 

 

Guess I'll have to wait until the morning to see the scene and flips though, bah. Good night folks.

[WWWwombat]

WARNING:  INCOMING VOTE COUNT

 

[WWWwombat]

Day 3 Final Vote Count

Leelou (4/9): Pralaya, Cloud, BG, Razen
Razen (9/9): Chuckles, Leelou, Des, Crusher, Yates, Hally, Ishy, Lenlo, Mish

Not Voting (4/17):

Dap, Krak, Tiink, Serra

[WWWwombat]

Lulach mac Gillacomgain had always been the strong, silent type.  Silence was a useful weapon.  It made people think he was calm and veiled his thoughts.  Many people found his demeanor intimidating.  But a blade can cut both ways.  Suspicion naturally fell on him as he was the stepson of the King and stood to gain with the King's fall.  A less scrupulous man would be plotting the King's downfall in his position.  He probably should've spoken up more when the accusations came flying.  But he didn't.

 

So he lost his head.  The claymore took it in one clean stroke.

 

 

 

Razen, Lulach mac Gillacomgain, Vanilla Town, has been lynched.

[WWWwombat]

It's now Night 3.  Do the night things.

 

Deadline in roughly 24 hours.

[bgrishinko]

Is it wrong I read that like Van McCoy's Do the Hustle?

[WWWwombat]

Who am I to tell you that?

[Darthe]

Did you know?

 

They aren't positive what claymores were used for...

[hazelkrs1]

Lame. Help us Town Vig, you're our only hope!

[John E. Kelley]

Lame. Help us Town Vig, you're our only hope!

I dunno, the Town Vig in another thread did a really pisspoor job of it.

[hazelkrs1]

Did you know?

 

They aren't positive what claymores were used for...

 

This might be of some help:

 

Nice article about Two Handed Swords

 

 

^Found this when I was involved in a discussion about weights of swords back then. If I remember correctly it might have had to do with a debate about the ending of Rob Roy (awesome movie btw, one of the best filmed sword fights ever). Basically, I was slightly mistaken as to the weight of some of the longswords (having held mostly ceremonial ones, I assumed they were similar in weight to common Greatswords of that era, when in fact they were far lighter), but I still think I was correct in that as a dueling weapon it is somewhat of a ridiculous, if not also awesome, choice.

 

Anyways, here's the pertinent part of the article for you:

 

 

 

These weapons were used primarily for fighting among pike-squares where they would hack paths through knocking aside poles, possibly even lobbing the ends off opposing halberds and pikes then slashing and stabbing among the ranks. Wielded by the largest and most impressive soldiers (Doppelsoldners, who received double pay), they were also used to guard banners and castle walls. The Italian humanist historian Paulus Jovius writing in the early 1500s also described the two-hand great sword as being used by Swiss soldiers to chop the shafts of pikes at the battle of Fornovo in 1495.

[Darthe]

Not quite what I meant.  We can be almost positive that they were used against pike formations, but how is still in question.  A regular swipe would just get you... stabbed a lot.

 

Here, look at what I mean.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiD3cI3RqJU

[hazelkrs1]

 

Lame. Help us Town Vig, you're our only hope!

I dunno, the Town Vig in another thread did a really pisspoor job of it.

 

 

You mad?

 

 

Not quite what I meant.  We can be almost positive that they were used against pike formations, but how is still in question.  A regular swipe would just get you... stabbed a lot.

 

Here, look at what I mean.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiD3cI3RqJU

 

Ahh okay I see what you mean.

 

Well it seems generally agreed upon that the wielders of the two-handers were more than likely the burlier members of the army, and more than likely they were more heavily armored as well, since their purpose was to lay about into the thickest parts of the fray. So basically, they probably counted on using chaos and freneticism to their advantage in the early going to keep from being stabbed directly or overpowered, while in the meantime they could hopefully break the pike formation and soon get support from regular infantryman.

 

Incidentally, I think the Scottish Claymore was probably used a bit more in one on one situations than most two-handers, because they were a little bit smaller and lighter, and often did not have the double set of quillons. And I've also seen it proposed a lot that many two handers might have been used by people on horseback, since it would be easier to use both the height and reach advantage to keep combatants away while trying to break enemy fortification