Ten days after Samhain, 1057: Night 5 (CONCLUDED)

[Leelou]

I'm going through and rereading the thread now, I'm going to post my reads on everyone once I'm done. 

[hazelkrs1]

Kk not much time but these are essentially the people who were setting up Leelou's lynch in a more overt manner yesterday:

 

 

 

 

 

I know Verbal isn´t town. How I know that can be my secret for now, okay. 

 

Sorry, no. After watching the last game with a mafia fake cop reveal, I am not taking anything at face value. 

 

 

On Day 2??

 

 

Scum could have a role cop, you never know what can go on in a game. 

 

 

Sounds to me like you are trying to cast serious doubt on Tina right now.  If you say that she's a role cop (and saw that Verbal had a role), then what does she gain by claiming he's scum right now?  If Verbal gets lynched, and flips as a power role and not scum, Tina's effectively outed as scum in that scenario.

 

But, that's a lot of assumptions.  The simplest explanation is that Tina is telling the truth.  Which has me wondering why you're defending Verbal.  If nothing else, his flip will give us an idea as to why you want to defend him.

 

 

The way Razen phrases this post makes it seem like he KNEW Verbal would flip scum before he actually did.

 

 

Leelou´s unwillingness to vote Verbal is noted.

 

Not to mention Leelou being the one who started Csarmi votes, before someone pointed out the copy-paste. Right in the first page. Seemed very eager to take out someone.

 

Also, it is strange that the "inactive" vote movement is prominent only in this game and completely absent in T2 and T3. 

 

Guess who started it?

 

 

For the record, I support the idea of running up the inactives who have not posted much content.  Sometimes the threat to lynch isn't enough - some folks need to see themselves at L-2 before they start contributing.  We all knew this would be a demanding game.  No excuses.

 

 

 

I'm all for lynching the inactives. 

 

 

To add to that, what Yates said. Leelou was town in T2 and the probability of her being a scum here is more.

 

 

 

Cloud, Dap, Des, Leelou, Nol, Razen, Verb <- More than one of these guys is scum in at least 1 thread [i know - big help].  My guess is Cloud in T2 for one.

 

 

vote Verbal

 

and then Leelou

 

 

Obvious setting up of lynches, again before the flip. Also brings up Leelou being town in other thread, has Gambler's Fallacy fail

 

 

 

 

your telling me im scummy for not believing someone say "X is scum, follow me blindly" 

 

Yes. If you don't see that as an obvious Investigative role soft claim, I just don't know what to say to you.

 

 

i dont like soft claims, thats why in every game people accuse me of role fishing, so please, tell me more about how following someone blindly (who's just soft claiming) is a townie thing to do 

 

 

I don't even care if you are town at this point, I will just lynch you after Leelou.

 

 

He's a slightly less serious offender of this group imo

 

Just saw T3. Leelou is town in T3 too. 

 

Again with the Gambler's Fallacy fail

 

Lynch Verbal now, then Leelou tomorrow.

 

It's not letting me quote right now, so I'll say it here.

 

@ Chuckles - Why are you not voting for Verbal?  You noted his change of claim from Doc to Vig.  Isn't that evidence enough that he's lying?

 

Razen with more overt setting up of Leelou's lynch here.

 

The fact that he also fos's Chuckles for not voting, even tho Chuckles WAS voting Verbal by now (Chuckles was being derpderp during the lynch too btw, just didn't see him set up Leelou's lynch as much), ESPECIALLY using Verbal's claim thing reeks, since it was plain to see that Verbal was totally messing around here.

 

Razen, Chuckles, Rorschach. Almost positive there is 2 scum out of those three. And I'm convinced that Leelou is town btw, cause I forgot bout the earlier thing where her and Verbal were agreeing about lynching inactives. Don't think they would link themselves so casually on thread as teammates.

 

Unvote, Vote Razen

[hazelkrs1]

Serra also somewhat set up Leelou's lynch, but in a much more subtle manner, no worse than any post of mine in that regard. Still suspicious of him tho.

 

But yeah, I do think Leelou is telling the truth, and scum was being opportunistic cause Verbal prob told them Leelou would defend him at first.

[Leelou]

Players: 

2. Chuckles - neutral - a lot of spam and did not vote D1, voted Verbal after Cloud told him to on thread. 
3. Leelou - Tay, VT 
4. Mish - leaning town - has been more active in other threads, but so far seeming townish. 
5. Cloud - neutral to scum - heavily involved in the salami lynch, jumps on the Verbal guilty, 2nd to latch onto me being scummy and 2nd to suggest my lynch. 
6. Hally - leaning scum - avoided the salami train most of the day, then fence sat. Claimed to believe salami was innocent. No where to be found during D2, when called out D3 for inactivity does not take a stance on issues in the game and votes someone even more inactive than her. 
8. Yates - neutral - Advocated the tri-lynch, had confusion as to if a knife indicates sk kill, not voting D2
9. BG - neutral - acted odd around salami's lynch, first thought he was lying in this thread then immediately unvotes him. Says after the lynch he would have lynched him for the emo. Goes after Yates for posting which kill belonged to who. Votes Verbal, then today votes me with no interaction. 
10. Ishy - neutral to scum - D1 was all for the salami lynch, then mid way during the day was against the tri-lynch. Wants all the games treated separately then liked the lynch lurkers across the game idea. Votes Verbal. Votes a complete inactive - seems to be avoiding town lynches
11. Razen - leaning scum - jumped on the salami lynch, talks about names, then pushes on me during Verbal's lynch and he seemed to already know how he'd flip - oddly has posted this phase, called chuckles out for thinking I'm not scum yet did not vote me
12. Lenlo - neutral to scum - not really active enough. Hasn't voted yet this game thread, no real stances taken until after lynches. Hard to get a read on since no pattern to go on would lean scum since appearing to play a clean game
13. Crush - neutral - pushed for Verbal's lynch D1, liked the idea for scum to reveal on different threads, was not around during Verbal's lynch. Could be either scum or town, leaning slightly town. 
14. Des - leaning town - actively involved in all days, questioning people, putting together cases. 
15. Dap - neutral - was around D1, would say town from that but then has not been as active D2 onward. 
17. Krak - checked out of thread
18. Tiinker - neutral - His vote on Verbal could have been a bus vote to make sure he got in there on time. 
21. Pralaya - leaning scum - was very inactive until Verbal was called out by Tina, put together a crap case to link me to Verbal and was the first to push for my lynch - btw Pral the lynch the lurkers was started during D1, nice opportunistic posts you pulled trying to link me and Verbal. 
23. Serra - neutral to scum - mainly for his idea to lynch people until they confess in which thread they are mafia, calls out Yates for activity in this thread when he basically was doing the same - listing global ideas (I hate that term in regards to this game) and responding locally. Slightly pushed to set up my lynch

 

From scummy to town: 

 

Razen

Prala

Cloud

Hallia

Ishy

Serra

Lenlo

BG

Chuckles

Tiink

Crusher

Yates

Mish

Dap

Des

me

 

***complete unknown - Krak

[Pralaya]

Players: 

21. Pralaya - leaning scum - was very inactive until Verbal was called out by Tina, put together a crap case to link me to Verbal and was the first to push for my lynch - btw Pral the lynch the lurkers was started during D1, nice opportunistic posts you pulled trying to link me and Verbal. 

 

Agreed, I was comparatively more active  (not by much though) in other threads but that was only in D1 when I was unable to get reads on players here. I have more or less similar levels of posting in all the three threads. When I did get a read, I came out with my reasoning and it was pretty clear, at least to me, that the link was present.

 

1. During the Csarmi votes

2. During the "inactive" bandwagoning

3. Trying to defend Verbal when Tina outed him as scum

 

I think it is more than just a co-incidence. 

[michellem]

I'm continuting my reread but I won't be back until later in the evening; we have drama with the neighbours during the night/morning and I'm in a shitty mood and shouldn't talk mafia.

[Leelou]

 

Players: 

21. Pralaya - leaning scum - was very inactive until Verbal was called out by Tina, put together a crap case to link me to Verbal and was the first to push for my lynch - btw Pral the lynch the lurkers was started during D1, nice opportunistic posts you pulled trying to link me and Verbal. 

 

Agreed, I was comparatively more active  (not by much though) in other threads but that was only in D1 when I was unable to get reads on players here. I have more or less similar levels of posting in all the three threads. When I did get a read, I came out with my reasoning and it was pretty clear, at least to me, that the link was present.

 

1. During the Csarmi votes

2. During the "inactive" bandwagoning

3. Trying to defend Verbal when Tina outed him as scum

 

I think it is more than just a co-incidence. 

 

 

That's the thing though, you don't have a good read, I'm town and you are going to be looked at very hard when I flip town. 

 

1. I voted salami in this thread for bandwagoning before he even posted in the other threads and I supported the tri-lynch for his masking a meta and linking all the threads together. 

 

2. Inactive voting is nothing new for me, I don't like inactive players and lurking - gives scum plenty of leeway to hide and let town rip themselves apart. Also near end game if you have an inactive town player who hasn't done much to prove their town and an active scum acting townish, it makes it much harder at LYLO. 

 

3. I've already hit on this this phase. 

[lolguy26]

Actually leelou, you'll see that I voted before cloud said anything, unless I'm mistaken, cloud told me to vote and I told him I was already voting, so I don't see how I voted cuz cloud told me too

[Leelou]

Actually leelou, you'll see that I voted before cloud said anything, unless I'm mistaken, cloud told me to vote and I told him I was already voting, so I don't see how I voted cuz cloud told me too

 

 

 

 

Stop rolefishing idiots.

 

Vote Lamplover.

 

asking someone to clarify is role fishing?? 

 

 

Just vote for him already. 

 

 

 

vote verb

 

let's just see how he flips 

 

Razen is the one who mentioned it after you were already voting Verbal. 

[The Crusher]

Kk not much time but these are essentially the people who were setting up Leelou's lynch in a more overt manner yesterday:

 

 

 

 

 

I know Verbal isn´t town. How I know that can be my secret for now, okay. 

 

Sorry, no. After watching the last game with a mafia fake cop reveal, I am not taking anything at face value. 

 

 

On Day 2??

 

 

Scum could have a role cop, you never know what can go on in a game. 

 

 

Sounds to me like you are trying to cast serious doubt on Tina right now.  If you say that she's a role cop (and saw that Verbal had a role), then what does she gain by claiming he's scum right now?  If Verbal gets lynched, and flips as a power role and not scum, Tina's effectively outed as scum in that scenario.

 

But, that's a lot of assumptions.  The simplest explanation is that Tina is telling the truth.  Which has me wondering why you're defending Verbal.  If nothing else, his flip will give us an idea as to why you want to defend him.

 

 

The way Razen phrases this post makes it seem like he KNEW Verbal would flip scum before he actually did.

 

 

Leelou´s unwillingness to vote Verbal is noted.

 

Not to mention Leelou being the one who started Csarmi votes, before someone pointed out the copy-paste. Right in the first page. Seemed very eager to take out someone.

 

Also, it is strange that the "inactive" vote movement is prominent only in this game and completely absent in T2 and T3. 

 

Guess who started it?

 

 

For the record, I support the idea of running up the inactives who have not posted much content.  Sometimes the threat to lynch isn't enough - some folks need to see themselves at L-2 before they start contributing.  We all knew this would be a demanding game.  No excuses.

 

 

 

I'm all for lynching the inactives. 

 

 

To add to that, what Yates said. Leelou was town in T2 and the probability of her being a scum here is more.

 

 

 

Cloud, Dap, Des, Leelou, Nol, Razen, Verb <- More than one of these guys is scum in at least 1 thread [i know - big help].  My guess is Cloud in T2 for one.

 

 

vote Verbal

 

and then Leelou

 

 

Obvious setting up of lynches, again before the flip. Also brings up Leelou being town in other thread, has Gambler's Fallacy fail

 

 

 

 

your telling me im scummy for not believing someone say "X is scum, follow me blindly" 

 

Yes. If you don't see that as an obvious Investigative role soft claim, I just don't know what to say to you.

 

 

i dont like soft claims, thats why in every game people accuse me of role fishing, so please, tell me more about how following someone blindly (who's just soft claiming) is a townie thing to do 

 

 

I don't even care if you are town at this point, I will just lynch you after Leelou.

 

 

He's a slightly less serious offender of this group imo

 

Just saw T3. Leelou is town in T3 too. 

 

Again with the Gambler's Fallacy fail

 

Lynch Verbal now, then Leelou tomorrow.

 

It's not letting me quote right now, so I'll say it here.

 

@ Chuckles - Why are you not voting for Verbal?  You noted his change of claim from Doc to Vig.  Isn't that evidence enough that he's lying?

 

Razen with more overt setting up of Leelou's lynch here.

 

The fact that he also fos's Chuckles for not voting, even tho Chuckles WAS voting Verbal by now (Chuckles was being derpderp during the lynch too btw, just didn't see him set up Leelou's lynch as much), ESPECIALLY using Verbal's claim thing reeks, since it was plain to see that Verbal was totally messing around here.

 

Razen, Chuckles, Rorschach. Almost positive there is 2 scum out of those three. And I'm convinced that Leelou is town btw, cause I forgot bout the earlier thing where her and Verbal were agreeing about lynching inactives. Don't think they would link themselves so casually on thread as teammates.

 

Unvote, Vote Razen

 

 

unvote vote Razen.

[lolguy26]

Ok I stand corrected, but atleast it proved that razen really likes fluff posts

 

And when is the DL? In about a day?

[Leelou]

1 day, 12 hours, 51 mins

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130723T2130&p0=43&msg=T1+D3+Deadline

[Yates]

I'm surprised I'm still alive at this point. I'm going to flip town and then you guys will have more info to go on in regards as to how people have reacted with both lynches. 

Explain.

[Leelou]

 

I'm surprised I'm still alive at this point. I'm going to flip town and then you guys will have more info to go on in regards as to how people have reacted with both lynches. 

Explain.

 

 

Well, you'll have the info to go on, which is already being worked on, with who was pushing my lynch before Verbal even flipped and who was linking us together. I'm town and it should help you guys see the game better when I flip. 

[Yates]

Well, you'll have the info to go on, which is already being worked on, with who was pushing my lynch before Verbal even flipped and who was linking us together. I'm town and it should help you guys see the game better when I flip. 

Who was doing that?  Who would your Town flip incriminate?

 

Also, who are your top 3 or 4 suspects? [i don't want to assume they are the same]

[bgrishinko]

 

Tina, Fox Macleod, Town Cop, has been killed.

 

Tina's name just sunk in for me. She shoulda done a Barrel Roll.

 

vote Chuckles

 

I know I was off yesterday, but Chuckles looked really bad in all of that exchange as well.

 

Here's what I'm confused at, looking back, you and Chuckles were both trying to draw out Tina's role. Realisitcally speaking, you two are kind of in the same boat. So when the very first thing you do today is vote Chuckles for essentially doing the same thing you did, it looks opportunistic to me. I still think both of you and Chuck seem pretty bad for that, but your train was bigger and your immediate turn about on Chuckles is a bit more incriminating I think.

 

 

 

Wait your reasoning that it might have been a gambit is ok but cuz I thought the same thing I'm suddenly on the scum team?!

 

Vote: Leelou

 

 

 

lol.

 

 

 

Well, you'll have the info to go on, which is already being worked on, with who was pushing my lynch before Verbal even flipped and who was linking us together. I'm town and it should help you guys see the game better when I flip. 

Who was doing that?  Who would your Town flip incriminate?

 

Also, who are your top 3 or 4 suspects? [i don't want to assume they are the same]

 

 

Since you are so keen Leelou that you will flip town, you should be able to make those connections now without waiting for the flip. So I think these are excellent questions posed by Yates.

[Leelou]

 

 

Tina, Fox Macleod, Town Cop, has been killed.

 

Tina's name just sunk in for me. She shoulda done a Barrel Roll.

 

vote Chuckles

 

I know I was off yesterday, but Chuckles looked really bad in all of that exchange as well.

 

Here's what I'm confused at, looking back, you and Chuckles were both trying to draw out Tina's role. Realisitcally speaking, you two are kind of in the same boat. So when the very first thing you do today is vote Chuckles for essentially doing the same thing you did, it looks opportunistic to me. I still think both of you and Chuck seem pretty bad for that, but your train was bigger and your immediate turn about on Chuckles is a bit more incriminating I think.

 

 

 

Wait your reasoning that it might have been a gambit is ok but cuz I thought the same thing I'm suddenly on the scum team?!

 

Vote: Leelou

 

 

 

lol.

 

 

 

Well, you'll have the info to go on, which is already being worked on, with who was pushing my lynch before Verbal even flipped and who was linking us together. I'm town and it should help you guys see the game better when I flip. 

Who was doing that?  Who would your Town flip incriminate?

 

Also, who are your top 3 or 4 suspects? [i don't want to assume they are the same]

 

 

Since you are so keen Leelou that you will flip town, you should be able to make those connections now without waiting for the flip. So I think these are excellent questions posed by Yates.

 

 

Have you read all of my posts? My big one pretty much covers all of that. And I've made at least one post already showing everyone who pushed for my lynch. Here, I'll link you: 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83507-about-four-days-after-samhain-1054-day-3/?p=2983135

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83507-about-four-days-after-samhain-1054-day-3/?p=2982388

 

Oh and for Yates (this is from Des):

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83507-about-four-days-after-samhain-1054-day-3/?p=2983123

[WWWwombat]

 

Tina, Fox Macleod, Town Cop, has been killed.

 

Tina's name just sunk in for me. She shoulda done a Barrel Roll.

 

[WWWwombat]

Official Vote Count

Leelou (4/9): Pralaya, Cloud, BG, Yates
Razen (4/9): Chuckles, Leelou, Des, Crusher
Krak (2/9): Hally, Ishy

Not Voting (7/17):
Mish, Razen, Lenlo, Dap, Krak, Tiink, Serra

[WWWwombat]

1 Day, 11 Hours, 37 Minutes

[Yates]

Here, I'll link you: 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83507-about-four-days-after-samhain-1054-day-3/?p=2983135

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83507-about-four-days-after-samhain-1054-day-3/?p=2982388

 

Oh and for Yates (this is from Des):

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83507-about-four-days-after-samhain-1054-day-3/?p=2983123

So... Razen, Cloud, and Hallia?

[Yates]

Also, why do you think Razen isn't voting for you?

[Leelou]

 

Here, I'll link you: 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83507-about-four-days-after-samhain-1054-day-3/?p=2983135

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83507-about-four-days-after-samhain-1054-day-3/?p=2982388

 

Oh and for Yates (this is from Des):

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/83507-about-four-days-after-samhain-1054-day-3/?p=2983123

So... Razen, Cloud, and Hallia?

 

 

Followed by Ishy. 

[Leelou]

Also, why do you think Razen isn't voting for you?

 

I've asked him that, he hasn't answered. He has yet to say anything this phase except this: 

 

 

Nope, I'd rather look at those who just bandwagoned, gave horrible reasoning and the train in general

(Ill do all that at night, I'm busy and I'm still catching up on my phone)

 

Wait, so you think that Leelou isn't scum?

 

[Yates]

Fair point. I like your responses under pressure.
 

Vote: Razen