November 7th, 1606: Day 4 (CONCLUDED)

[csarmi]

So what do you guys think about calling people like Nolder#1, Nolder#2 and such?

[csarmi]

 

 

I am new to mafia but I don't think the strategy of voting csarmi in all the three thread works. Sure, he is mafia in one of the games. But, assuming he is mafia in one and town in the other two, voting him in all three means that we lose out on two of them and I don't like the odds.

 

Looking at the extra effort that he puts in this thread "trap" etc, I think it is here.

 

vote csarmi

 

Your reasoning is even worse than those who advocate lynching me in all three threads.

 

Again, the unbased assumption that I'm scum in at least one of the threads. I'm town in all three. 

But if your assumtion was true, getting a 1/3 chance to catch scum wouldn't be a bad thing. Random chance would be around 1/4.

 

Also I didn't put in any extra effort in this thread.

 

If that's true then you made an awful play and we're all going to suffer for it. Seeing as we can't distinguish between bad play and scummy play you're gonna hang either way.

 

No, we're all going to suffer for the tunneling play that's going on.

[serra]

Yates' opening is less forced here than in thread 1. From that alone I'd be leaning town here.

 

This is where Csarmi starts with his "trap" spiel. None of his RVS-y posts have the same confidence as in 1, and I'm pretty sure the trap thing was backpedaling while trying to save face. Covering it up with humour by deliberately misunderstanding Nolder's is a pretty obvious deflection.

 

If Nol is scum in exactly 1 of his threads, it isn't this one. Unless he's scum in 2 or more threads (which I don't really think is very likely), I have  a pretty good townread on him here.

 

Leelou (and Ish, if that vote was serious): what was it about cloud that made you suspicious early on?

 

Yates is actually engaging with the game here,

 

Csarmi's line about scum needing fancy plays, when he claims to have set a trap is hilariously bad. In thread 1, his further posts were at least somewhat reasoned, whereas here he seems less confident, and is ironically getting himself caught in his own web of lies.

 

Discussing between Yates and chuckles is town for both.

 

The point by dap about cloud's voting is actually good. Dap can be town here and I very much buy into the cloud/csarmi theory. I have a question though, dap: if you agree that Csarmi is likely scum in this thread, why would you take issue with me wanting to lynch him here rather than in 1? Sure, he MIGHT be scum in both, but I'd think if we've established he's likely scum here, the chance of him being scum in the other threads goes down?

 

I don't really like peace here. His quotewall is pretty opportunistic. Trying to draw a connection between Leelou and cloud because Leelou voted him is pretty weak. "Early distancing" is a pretty overused buzzword, to be honest. He points fingers at the unreasoned cloud votes, while not doing the same with the Csarmi votes is off.

 

Csarmi pretends all of his posts have been global (to make it difficult to pin down where he is scum!), but that's clearly not true. He responds to accusations on a thread-by-thread basis (more or less) and those responses have been the most scummy here.

 

Nolder: why are you not a fan of the staggered lynch? Surely Csarmi's play has simply been indicative of the fact that he's scum in 1 of the threads. If we lynch him somewhere and he flips scum, I think we'd be better off looking elsewhere for the other lynches. If he flips town, we keep going until we find his scum-thread.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

I am new to mafia but I don't think the strategy of voting csarmi in all the three thread works. Sure, he is mafia in one of the games. But, assuming he is mafia in one and town in the other two, voting him in all three means that we lose out on two of them and I don't like the odds.

 

Looking at the extra effort that he puts in this thread "trap" etc, I think it is here.

 

vote csarmi

 

Your reasoning is even worse than those who advocate lynching me in all three threads.

 

Again, the unbased assumption that I'm scum in at least one of the threads. I'm town in all three. 

But if your assumtion was true, getting a 1/3 chance to catch scum wouldn't be a bad thing. Random chance would be around 1/4.

 

Also I didn't put in any extra effort in this thread.

 

If that's true then you made an awful play and we're all going to suffer for it. Seeing as we can't distinguish between bad play and scummy play you're gonna hang either way.

 

No, we're all going to suffer for the tunneling play that's going on.

 

How is it tunneling if your behavior justifies the attention?

Additionally myself and a few others have taken the time to note sheep and discuss other things.

So your accusation of tunneling falls flat.

[Nolder]

Nolder: why are you not a fan of the staggered lynch? Surely Csarmi's play has simply been indicative of the fact that he's scum in 1 of the threads. If we lynch him somewhere and he flips scum, I think we'd be better off looking elsewhere for the other lynches. If he flips town, we keep going until we find his scum-thread.

Like I indicated before (dunno if it was this thread or another) I am concerned about enthusiasm for lynching Csarmi dying off and staggering the lynches feels like a tactic to buy time for him to get off the hook somewhere. I also haven't seen a good argument for doing it. Things like "info" keep popping up but they're practically buzzwords at this point. I'm not overly concerned about staggering the lynches but if we are going to do that well let's get it started you know? The longer we wait the more likely someone else is going to make some kind of slip and people are going to jump on that and leave Csarmi sitting pretty. I don't want to see that happen.

[csarmi]

Okay, I'm sick of explaining this. Busy anyway, you guys go ahead and mess up the game however you want to.

 

I'm a town here with a 1xshot bulletproof.

[csarmi]

So what I think is:

 

1) go ahead and start playing and especially voting

2) need competing trains, having a single train is silly

3) stop sheeping, give reasons and split plays in threads

[csarmi]

Full claim:

 

Marian Rose, a wise woman who's always prepared. Town with a BPV (Vest+Helmet), good vs 1 NK.

[The Crusher]

 

Nolder: why are you not a fan of the staggered lynch? Surely Csarmi's play has simply been indicative of the fact that he's scum in 1 of the threads. If we lynch him somewhere and he flips scum, I think we'd be better off looking elsewhere for the other lynches. If he flips town, we keep going until we find his scum-thread.

Like I indicated before (dunno if it was this thread or another) I am concerned about enthusiasm for lynching Csarmi dying off and staggering the lynches feels like a tactic to buy time for him to get off the hook somewhere. I also haven't seen a good argument for doing it. Things like "info" keep popping up but they're practically buzzwords at this point. I'm not overly concerned about staggering the lynches but if we are going to do that well let's get it started you know? The longer we wait the more likely someone else is going to make some kind of slip and people are going to jump on that and leave Csarmi sitting pretty. I don't want to see that happen.

 

 

 

I agree with Nolder about the speed of Salami's trains.  Still think best place for scum hunting is the meat of these trains.  Gotta get off and go to the office.  Wanna look at the trains as soon as we get some vote counts. 

[Leelou]

Sorry, pulling stuff in from the other threads. My first vote on Cloud had to do with just his reason for his bandwagoning vote. Came off very scummy. My watching him after going the salami route has had to do with his voting and interactions from the other two threads to this one surrounding the timing of voting salami. 

 

Joke vote

 

Vote yates

 

hey

 

kinda jokey

Ok, Yates is a good choice I guess.

 

Vote Yates

 

flat out bandwagoning

Works for me.

Vote Yates.

 

This is salami's 2nd or 3rd vote like this, I'd have to go back and look at time stamps

vote Yates

Nothing better than a Yates train to get things going.

 

Joke vote

Who am I to disagree with a wagon of such magnitude?

 

Vote: Yates

 

bandwagons and makes it look serious, comes off as a scummy vote placement. 

Vote Yates

 

For self voting. Ugh.

 

My vote for his vote on Yates: 

vote Cloud 

 

 

From the 1052 thread (before his vote on Yates here): 

 

Vote Csarmi

 

Let's just run him up and see what comes out of it.

 

 

2000 thread, after both votes, claims confusion: 

 

And I'm already confused between the three game >.>

 

 

next post:

Vote Csarmi

 

He must be scum in at least one of them or he wouldn't use the same strategy three times, heh.

 

 

 

Yet in this thread (1603) it takes him awhile to get there: 

 

 

Unvote, Vote Csarmi

 

 

Then he goes on to jokingly push along the train. 

[serra]

What's the easiest way to find the most recent vote count?

 

I'll vote Csarmi here unless it'd be the lynch (or possibly L-1).

[csarmi]

To read up, most likely. For some reason we don't get new votecounts when there are no new votes.

[Tiinker]

 

Lol I love how you are now pushing the thread specifics when you just said you were being global

 

I'm not sure if that can even be called an attempt for cred or you just like to look like you are a leader. Either way I loled

 

There's no contradiction here. I was being global and yes we need to switch to local.

I don't need cred. I'm doing just fine without it. I play to win, not to survive.

 

 

 

 

 

Call them ancient, medieval, modern ! :)

  

1050 something isn't really ancient

That just pre Norman conquest

 

But I'll grudgingly give you the others two

 

 

 

I think thread 1 was the one I had Csarmi as most likely mafia on

 

So any basis or reasoning attached to that?

I think it was how you reacted to cloud on that thread in particular compared with the other two

If I had to pick you as mafia on a thread my money was on that one

 

 

Fair enough. Just so you know, there's no particular reason for the placing of my posts. As far as I know, I've referenced the global reactions to my play only in a global scale so far (not on a thread by thread basis). 

 

"I'm town, you're town. Let's just work together!". No. A much different reaction than in the other threads where I got town reads.

 

Pulling Peace's idea from another thread. This is a point game. Lynching him until he tells us in which thread he's scum is an interesting play. At the end, it'll be who has to most points. He can either die in all three, or tell us where he's scum and perhaps live in the other two. 

[Tiinker]

VC pls.

[csarmi]

Lynching someone until you find him scum in one of the threads is an interesting play, but you should be trying it on someone else cause it's not going to work on me.

 

Try someone scummy, run him up.

[Nolder]

NOTME-FRYME!

 

...Close enough.

[csarmi]

What?

[Leelou]

UNOfficial Vote Count 2:

Yates (2/12): Salami, Krak
Cloud (1/12): Ishy
Salami (9/12): Nol, Cloud, Yates, Verb, Leelou, Chuckles, Razen, Dap, Pral

Dap (1/12): Crusher

 

 

Not Voting (10/23):
Mish, Hally, BG, Lenlo, Des, Peace, Tiinker, Tina, Ree, Serra

 

 

Please update vote counts even if they haven't changed. 6 pages to dig through is going to start to drag the game down. 

 

Started to do another Vote Count but..

No votes :shrug:

[Tiinker]

Danke for votecounts

[Leelou]

Danke for votecounts

 

De nada 

[serra]

Thanks Leelou, you're a darling! (I usually leave an updated vote count in the opening post *hint, hint*)

 

I've seen nothing to cast doubt on the fact that Salami is scum in at least 1 thread, and I think this thread will give us the best chance.

 

VOTE: Csarmi

 

 

[csarmi]

Thanks Leelou, you're a darling! (I usually leave an updated vote count in the opening post *hint, hint*)

 

I've seen nothing to cast doubt on the fact that Salami is scum in at least 1 thread, and I think this thread will give us the best chance.

 

VOTE: Csarmi

Sure, just make sure you realize that I'm roled up in this thread. It's not a very useful role, but better than nothing.

 

Why is it the best thread btw?

[Nolder]

Question, do you think at this point mafia would ever bother shooting you anyway after all this?

[Krakalakachkn]

Pulling Peace's idea from another thread. This is a point game. Lynching him until he tells us in which thread he's scum is an interesting play. At the end, it'll be who has to most points. He can either die in all three, or tell us where he's scum and perhaps live in the other two. 

 

 

 

Kind of like Mafia Waterboarding, eh?

 

 

And we can't forget that everyone was given three roles.  CS or anyone else could easily use his role in thread 1 and claim that in thread 3.  The trick would be to remember which was claimed in which, but it's definitely a tactic I expect to see used.

[csarmi]

Question, do you think at this point mafia would ever bother shooting you anyway after all this?

I don't think so. That's why I didn't want to reveal.

So yea, my role is almost useless.