Underworld Mafia [Basic] - Game Over. TOWN WINS!

[peacesells]

 

Suit yourselves. This game is going to be difficult without a Doc you know. And Micheal not having a PR doesn't mean anything. I think that Selene is the Cop, and the rest are more or less VT's.

A real doc would be happy in this scenario. This is going to catch Ithi as mafia if she is.

Dap, your play here is moronic. Everyone has powers, it's vampires vs warewolfs. Trusting a claim over play is terrible as an idea in general, and further he has been CC'd. Thus since he is closer to lynch it would make no sense for Ithi to counter claim as mafia (they don't want to trade 1 for 1) and further we would lynch both anyways so why the turnaround?

 

Lastly, I'm glad the mod has decided to screw with character claims some. I tip my hat to you.

 

 

Doing some reading and I think I stumbled into why Darthe was killed N1.  The bolded statement.  At the time I read that as all werewolves and vampires have powers in the movies..but the scum team could have interpreted it that Darthe thought everyone had a power.  Plus he had made a statement earlier that could have been a DOC bread crumb.   He had commented about how the situation is good for the Doctor in one post and I believe he asked the DOC not to CC in another. 

 

This was a fail on their part as Darthe has been petty lynchable in games lately and leaving Ithi and Andrej alive is bad. 

[michellem]

How do you know there is another mafia left?

 

For all we know there could be no mafias left - but Peace could be a serial Killer.

 

You seem very certain about the set up.

 

No, I just didn't think about the third party option.

 

 

So Mish..you have any real thoughts on Turin at this point?

 

Why are you being so insistent that I answer this? I have given thoughts on Turin already. Why don't you go back and read them? And why ask me instead of anyone else?

[michellem]

Btw. Has anyone EVER seen a day SK? I've played 30 something games now I think, and I have never seen one. It just seems so extremely unlikely to me. I also think this is the first game where anyone's even brought up that possibility that the shooter is an SK after seeing a day shot.

[berf]

I cannot understand why people keep getting into todo's with Ithi. Are you trying to paint yourself mafia?

 

Peace is certainly making me think a lot of about wether this is a Vig or SK situation we have going on. My first thought as the game continued post-3rd Mafia lynch was 3rd party.

 

4+1+10 = 2/3 town.

 

3+1+11 = nearly 3/4 Town.

 

Just something to think about.

 

 

 

Another brain bender: If you were the sole mafia out there, with Peace running around all ambigious for now, what do you do during the night?

 

If you Kill, we know you live. If you don't kill, your numbers don't get much better, but you may remain anon, for a time, and let the lynches work for you.

 

So we may or may not have a mafia who may or may not be hiding. Interesting.

 

 

 

 

My suggested course of action is to lynch peace.

 

1) If he is last remaining non-town 3rd party - we win.

 

2) If the game doesn't end immediately after his lynch, we know we are dealing with 1 more mafia (couldn't see 2 in a game this size, nor have I ever seen 5)

 

3) If we are dealing with one last mafia, we don't need peace's kill anyway, as we have a lynch. We have the numbers.

[peacesells]

Even if you think I'm SK you don't lynch me to mafia is gone.  

[hazelkrs1]

Wow. Moar petty bickering. How wonderful.

 

 

Will give more thoughts in a bit

[berf]

Even if you think I'm SK you don't lynch me to mafia is gone.

 

Why?

[hazelkrs1]

Ok thoughts on this game:

 

The Peace/BG OMGUS thing seems WAAAAY overblown to me. Personally I think Peace either mispoke or is just mistaken (imo mafia can OMGUS just as easily as town, however it's more rehearsed and less reactionary so perhaps not quite the same). Either way, it doesn't mean he's scum imo.

 

I'm pretty strongly in the "Peace is town" side. I just don't think his play fits that of a SK at all. Why holster N1, to setup the vig claim later on as Turin said, then completely pick the kill yourself? Most of the time that a SK tries claiming Vig, they offer their kill up for town to look more town. Peace wanted to kill who he thought was scum. That seems more townie to me, that he was less focused on how his decision would look, and more interested in killing mafia.

 

Then there's the fact that if he WAS a SK, why stand out so much in the Cloud/Ithi thing? He could have easily voted for either one without fence-sitting. And he should have, if he was a SK. SK need to stay hidden even more so than mafia, doing ANYTHING to stand out is poor play. I don't think Peace would play that poorly as a SK.

 

 

Now, ALL THAT BEING SAID, it's true that we don't know if the mafia team is already vanquished, and that Peace is the last anti-town element left in the game. Since Dice flipped mafia, I don't have a problem with lynching Peace tomorrow to make sure.

 

But I also think Peace should do us a favor and kill Turin so we can make sure either way. If both are town, then we know it's one of the lurkers. Incidentally, I think it could be possible that Peace is a vengeful vig. In other words, he can only kill people that have voted him. This sets us up perfectly, because Turin voting anyone else besides Peace would be weird. But if he does try voting someone else instead...  

 

 

I see I came back just in time for the action, lol. Nice. AJ; since it's not game over, we have one more mafia to catch.

 

I don't think I've ever been in a game with this many scummy options, even after 3 mafia dead. Vam/Berf is looking a bit better in my eyes now, but I'm still gonna withhold judgement there. Dap, Hallia, Chuckles and Panch are all good candidates in my eyes.

Ithi already mentioned this but it could very easily be that the mafia are dead and there is a third party left.

 

You have no thoughts on Turin and how he was so sure that Ithi was telling the truth?

Which Peace doesn't comment on. He is content to let the assumption of more mafia continue. But he does ask about Mish's thoughts on my surety regarding Cloud being the LLL. interesting...

 

And, one more thing...if I am an SK, why holster night 1?

Again Ithi mentioned her reasoning which makes more sense than anything. Many SK's will holster early to set up their vig claim for later in the game.

 

 

Just because he didn't sit on the fence like you did @ Peace.

I never sit on the fence if I can help it. I was sure Cloud was Mafia even before he claimed my character. I don't remember you saying my certainty meant that I was Mafia.

It was quite obvious that Cloud was lying. If he was Town - he would have had the character that made more sense as a Doc. He also was instantly counter claimed by me.

If I were Mafia - I would not have counter claimed. I would have just unvoted and then perhaps plotted to kill him at Night - or leave him forced to only self protect for the Game. There was no need to potentially damn myself.

So logically he had to be Mafia.


Plus - it was quite clear he was gonna have a go at claiming Doc and lo and behold he did.

I was actually glad that at least one person stepped up and tried to at least look at what was happening logically. I feel the need to at least return the favour

But tomorrow will be Day 3 and I will do a proper case on him if possible. Of course if he is Mafia he may kill me to prove that he isn't mafia. Because he would never kill me, right? But maybe then if he is not Mafia - the mafia will kill me to make you think he killed me.

Or they will keep me alive to make you think he is Mafia again lol.

I would say over and above anyone else in this game you should view him and see what the hell he is - because he is so bloody tricksy he could very well be hiding that he is buddying inside all the buddying lol

 

First bold.  This reasoning is unrealistic considering you had the advantage of knowing your character.   Your certainty was based on knowledge you had that I didn't. 

 

Second bold.  What you would do as mafia isn't what everyone would do.  I discussed this when considering which of the two of you I'd vote.  A scum team may feel taking out a doctor is worth one of them.  And in certain circumstances..including the last game I was scum it would be.  Wish we had done that.  

 

Your game is all about you and your perspective.  You refuse to see what an uniformed player may see.   You won't even acknowledge the point that someone who is town and is not privy to information can see things differently from you who had the information. 

 

And lastly..WTF are you answering for Mish?  Don't you think that her answers could be clues as to if she is town or scum?  Regardles of your viewpoint on the manner.

 

There are three boldings. One response is missing apparently.

 

 

I enlarged the portion that I found most scummy about this post. Peace is "content to let the assumption of more mafia continue" lolololol. Uhm, Turin? Yeah, you're scum bro. If a game keeps on continuing, people are going to assume that there's still mafia left. Even if Peace is a SK, he's outed bro. He isn't winning with a solo-win condition this game. You're trying as hard as you CAN to fear-monger the SK and make it seem like the mafia team is already dead.

 

You also completely ignored ANY of the points I recently raised against you. Your number is up my friend.

 

 

 

Suit yourselves. This game is going to be difficult without a Doc you know. And Micheal not having a PR doesn't mean anything. I think that Selene is the Cop, and the rest are more or less VT's.

A real doc would be happy in this scenario. This is going to catch Ithi as mafia if she is.
Dap, your play here is moronic. Everyone has powers, it's vampires vs warewolfs. Trusting a claim over play is terrible as an idea in general, and further he has been CC'd. Thus since he is closer to lynch it would make no sense for Ithi to counter claim as mafia (they don't want to trade 1 for 1) and further we would lynch both anyways so why the turnaround?

Lastly, I'm glad the mod has decided to screw with character claims some. I tip my hat to you.

 

 

Doing some reading and I think I stumbled into why Darthe was killed N1.  The bolded statement.  At the time I read that as all werewolves and vampires have powers in the movies..but the scum team could have interpreted it that Darthe thought everyone had a power.  Plus he had made a statement earlier that could have been a DOC bread crumb.   He had commented about how the situation is good for the Doctor in one post and I believe he asked the DOC not to CC in another. 

 

This was a fail on their part as Darthe has been petty lynchable in games lately and leaving Ithi and Andrej alive is bad. 

 

 

Good catch... and gj by Darthe to draw the NK like that.

 

Btw. Has anyone EVER seen a day SK? I've played 30 something games now I think, and I have never seen one. It just seems so extremely unlikely to me. I also think this is the first game where anyone's even brought up that possibility that the shooter is an SK after seeing a day shot.

 

*foreheadslap*

 

A SK can be a Day SK just as likely as a Vig can be a Day Vig. There is literally no difference. It's completely up to the mod how they want to set it up. Nothing ever said SK's HAVE to kill at night. The rarity of a role doesn't discount the possibility of it in any respective game. Peace could still be a SK.

[hazelkrs1]

So tomorrow we wait for Turin to vote Peace, then have Peace kill Turin, and if the game doesn't end or if Turin flips town, we lynch Peace. If Turin waffles or delays in voting Peace, we lynch him. Easy Peasy Boney Vampire Kneesy.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well that would certainly kill someone.

[Ithillian Turambar]

And it would also save me from having to go back and case him lol.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Ithi the Impartial

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm feeling really lazy lol. And I hate doing proper cases on people. It takes ages.

 

I'm still quite impressed by how Town Assumptive you are being. Telling the Cop to check Dap and Peace to Kill Turin.

 

No-one has actually looked your way at all. Maybe Peace should kill you?

 

But I think Peace will kill whoever it suits him to kill.

[hazelkrs1]

I think my towniness is fairly obvious at this point. You're just frakking paranoid of everyone that posts. It's a good idea to have a Cop view someone who is already under the limelight, but who people feel conflicted about. Can prevent a mislynch later down the road.

 

You just like making me out to be the Sole Arbiter all the time

 

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry correction: You're paranoid of everyone who posts, except for Turin of course

 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

I get more paranoid of him as the Game goes along. If it get's down to Lylo and he's still alive, I'm going to Lynch him lol.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Also - why is your Towniness obvious?

[hazelkrs1]

I get more paranoid of him as the Game goes along. If it get's down to Lylo and he's still alive, I'm going to Lynch him lol.

First of all I kind of doubt you would, but whatever. That's a pretty poor strategy. Gives him a free pass till endgame if he's mafia, and would cost your team the victory if he's town

[hazelkrs1]

Also - why is your Towniness obvious?

Are my posts showing up for you?

 

 

I pushed both scum lynches and have shown my intent to catch scum many times over

[Ithillian Turambar]

I've done it before

 

Also - yes you have pushed along with Lynches, but that doesn't really prove anything now does it?

 

To bus

I bus

You bus

He buses

She buses

They bus

We bus

One buses

 

[hazelkrs1]

It proves it as much as it can be proven without a coroner report or viewing on me.

 

That last second push on Dice could have easily not happened. Dap was following me either way lol, so my vote def helped swing the tide in favor of him imo. You can view it however you want tho.

 

And wait, why am I having to explain this again? I'm doing exactly what I spoke out about earlier, painting my huge townie bullseye on my back lol. I have no fear of being lynched, I have nothing to hide, and town is about to wrap this up shortly.

[michellem]

Des was the second vote on Cloud, and showed no intention of changing it on D1, that is a big town tell IMO. Yes yes, gambits bla bla bla, but it didn't feel like one to me.

 

 

Des I'm just asking because I have never seen it used or even discussed before, so no, I didn't know it was possible. And certainly not that it would be viewed as common enough to be in a vasic game, wich this game is after all.

 

Btw, while we're on the subject of roles. I don't think cop views are worth much right now. The 3 mafia who's gone down are goons, I find it hard to believe the mafia are all goons, so the odds are big that if we have one more mafia, the last remaining mafia is a godfather.

[berf]

That last makes sense from Mish. All the lynches did say Goon. If it was only vanilla mafia with a team NK, why specify? Interesting. 

 

 

 

And Desp last game I played in, you were paranoid of everyone too.

 

Giant fish-frying cast iron pan, meet flowery patterned brewed tea dispensary .

 

 

That being said, your plan works out. Whilst I'm not a fan of killing Turin as I think he is town, the whole kill him for info thing works. 

 

I'm not so sure we lynch him if he refuses though, not over peace, when peace could very well be preventing us from taking the win. 

 

 

 

 

And all that you said above about him, his play etc etc, as a solo win condition, wouldn't you also plan these things a bit in advance? You know you'd build town cred holstering night 1, so you do it. Not too difficult. 

 

 

 

Guess we see what the day brings. This could go on forever back and forth all night phase, so my vote is on shutting up until Turin and Peace have their... piece. 

 

 

Very interested to see if a NK comes through.

Very interested to see why Peace doesn't think we should lynch him tomorrow.

Very interested to see Turin's play.

Thinks we should vote Hallia or Pank, because if they are town, they don't deserve the victory

[peacesells]

You don't need to lynch a claimed vig til lylo.  It's pretty simple.  If I were and SK there is literally no way I could win this game. 

 

Anyway..when is night over?

[dapianoplay3r]

I'm too drunk for this

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