So you've been given the Town Miller role......

[Tiinker]

 

 

I think claiming miller on day is good. As Peace says,  you might keep the cop hidden a few more days that way. 

 

So you think the best thing a miller can do is basically just kill himself as quickly as possible? I don't really see how that's the best way to utilize your role.. It'd be 10x better to not claim and make yourself as big a target as possible for either lynch or NK by playing extravagantly and loudly. At least that way you have a lynch train to analyze instead of an "oh he's a miller let's just lynch him" set of folks. 

 

 

No, it´s up to the people around how to react. I have seen two games where the miller claimed Day 1 (not at DM) where he could help town until he got killed. In these games he wasn´t killed on Day 1 so he got time to help town a lot. 

 

 

Well duh it's up to the people how to react. And it's also up to you to try and elicit strong reactions from other players. So what you're saying is let the miller claim and then treat him like a vanilla? If that's the case then why would it be any different to him not claiming at all?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

so... mafia is about manipulation of emotion?

 

and... it's not evil because... ?

[Niniel]

 

 

 

I think claiming miller on day is good. As Peace says,  you might keep the cop hidden a few more days that way. 

 

So you think the best thing a miller can do is basically just kill himself as quickly as possible? I don't really see how that's the best way to utilize your role.. It'd be 10x better to not claim and make yourself as big a target as possible for either lynch or NK by playing extravagantly and loudly. At least that way you have a lynch train to analyze instead of an "oh he's a miller let's just lynch him" set of folks. 

 

 

No, it´s up to the people around how to react. I have seen two games where the miller claimed Day 1 (not at DM) where he could help town until he got killed. In these games he wasn´t killed on Day 1 so he got time to help town a lot. 

 

 

Well duh it's up to the people how to react. And it's also up to you to try and elicit strong reactions from other players. So what you're saying is let the miller claim and then treat him like a vanilla? If that's the case then why would it be any different to him not claiming at all?

 

 

Because of the risk of outing the cop early. 

[Niniel]

I guess it is like with every role - you shouldn´t play it the same all the time. 

[Nolder]

so... mafia is about manipulation of emotion?

Pretty much. That's why you see townies twisting words and manipulating events about as often as mafia.

 

and... it's not evil because... ?

It's a game.

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

 

I think claiming miller on day is good. As Peace says,  you might keep the cop hidden a few more days that way. 

 

So you think the best thing a miller can do is basically just kill himself as quickly as possible? I don't really see how that's the best way to utilize your role.. It'd be 10x better to not claim and make yourself as big a target as possible for either lynch or NK by playing extravagantly and loudly. At least that way you have a lynch train to analyze instead of an "oh he's a miller let's just lynch him" set of folks. 

 

 

No, it´s up to the people around how to react. I have seen two games where the miller claimed Day 1 (not at DM) where he could help town until he got killed. In these games he wasn´t killed on Day 1 so he got time to help town a lot. 

 

 

Well duh it's up to the people how to react. And it's also up to you to try and elicit strong reactions from other players. So what you're saying is let the miller claim and then treat him like a vanilla? If that's the case then why would it be any different to him not claiming at all?

 

 

Because of the risk of outing the cop early. 

 

I get why this is a concern, but personally if I found scum on D1 or 2 I still wouldn't reveal which is why I don't see this as big an issue as everyone else seems to.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

 

I think claiming miller on day is good. As Peace says,  you might keep the cop hidden a few more days that way. 

 

So you think the best thing a miller can do is basically just kill himself as quickly as possible? I don't really see how that's the best way to utilize your role.. It'd be 10x better to not claim and make yourself as big a target as possible for either lynch or NK by playing extravagantly and loudly. At least that way you have a lynch train to analyze instead of an "oh he's a miller let's just lynch him" set of folks. 

 

 

No, it´s up to the people around how to react. I have seen two games where the miller claimed Day 1 (not at DM) where he could help town until he got killed. In these games he wasn´t killed on Day 1 so he got time to help town a lot. 

 

 

Well duh it's up to the people how to react. And it's also up to you to try and elicit strong reactions from other players. So what you're saying is let the miller claim and then treat him like a vanilla? If that's the case then why would it be any different to him not claiming at all?

 

 

Because of the risk of outing the cop early. 

 

I get why this is a concern, but personally if I found scum on D1 or 2 I still wouldn't reveal which is why I don't see this as big an issue as everyone else seems to.

 

It's more common for people to jump the gun than to hold off.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

so... mafia is about manipulation of emotion?

 

Pretty much. That's why you see townies twisting words and manipulating events about as often as mafia.

 

and... it's not evil because... ?

 

It's a game.

BS

 

it's evil

[Tiinker]

Do you actually dislike the game?

[peacesells]

she loves the game..that's why she reads all of them.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Do you actually dislike the game?

  

 

yes, I hate it

 

she loves the game..that's why she reads all of them.

yes, I love it

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

I'll explain the concept of the evil eye an the dichotomy between good and evil on a drunker day :)

[Nolder]

I don't think they've heard of masochism, Cindy.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

I don't think they've heard of masochism, Cindy.

they waited 20 years for a series to end... um... as it did.

 

they know masochism.

 

and I they don't...

 

Tom Lehrer shall splain

 

 

I ache for the touch of your lips, dear,

But much more for the touch of your whips, dear.

You can raise welts

Like nobody else,

As we dance to the masochism tango.

 

Say our love be a flame, not an ember,

Say it's me that you want to dismember.

Blacken my eye,

Set fire to my tie,

As we dance to the masochism tango.

 

At your command

Before you here I stand,

My heart is in my hand. ecch!

It's here that I must be.

My heart entreats,

Just hear those savage beats,

And go put on your cleats

And come and trample me.

Your heart is hard as stone or mahogany,

That's why I'm in such exquisite agony.

 

My soul is on fire,

It's aflame with desire,

Which is why I perspire

When we tango.

 

You caught my nose

In your left castanet, love,

I can feel the pain yet, love,

Ev'ry time I hear drums.

And I envy the rose

That you held in your teeth, love,

With the thorns underneath, love,

Sticking into your gums.

 

Your eyes cast a spell that bewitches.

The last time I needed twenty stitches

To sew up the gash

That you made with your lash,

As we danced to the masochism tango.

 

Bash in my brain,

And make me scream with pain,

Then kick me once again,

And say we'll never part.

I know too well

I'm underneath your spell,

So, darling, if you smell

Something burning, it's my heart.

Excuse me!

 

Take your cigarette from it's holder,

And burn your initials in my shoulder.

Fracture my spine,

And swear that you're mine,

As we dance to the masochism tango.

 

 

 

 

.... mafia. for me.

[Nolder]

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

ah love if you were twice your age...

[Nolder]

is there a feline equivalent to "dog years"?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

there is but the math is complicated and besides it's only primate years that matter

[Nolder]

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

ow math

 

that's why I hate mafia

[WWWwombat]

Proper miller play:

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/73250-town-wins-bgs-basic-wheel-of-time-books-mafia/page-31?do=findComment&comment=2488862

[WWWwombat]

[peacesells]

Wish there was prestige on this board.  Nice Wombat.  True.

[WWWwombat]

If Lily had flipped town, I probably would have claimed.  Fortunately, she was mafia and I had FoS'd scum-EP :)

[WWWwombat]

I don't think they've heard of masochism, Cindy.

 

This is why we need more Jews.  I took my masochism in with my charoset and matza as a child.