Ghost Mafia - 3 out of 33 survive - Town wins!

[Basel Gill]

I killed BG with the baseball bat. I thought he was trying to lay low.

[Tyler Glembo]

BG on BG violence.

[hazelkrs1]

I'd really like to lynch both Peace AND Darthe at this point, 2 for 1 special like.

 

@Peace: you're way too experienced to use such a faulty argument as "if EP thinks something, and I think the same thing, since he's a confirmed townie how does it look bad on me?". First of all, just because a confirmed townie thinks something, that doesn't say ANYTHING good or bad about you, since townies are playing blind ftmp. Second, think about how OFTEN EP is COMPLETELY wrong about something. He can just be barking up the wrong tree, and in fact I think he was. You making an even bigger deal about the same "slip" makes you look worse my friend.

 

Oh and while youre admonishing people for using hot button words like "flail", why don't you try NOT doing the sake thing, Mr. Straw man.

 

@Darthe: why didn't you say lynch then? You said "So we can actually kill someone". That wording seems off to me, a townie would be frustrated at not securing a lynch those days, but wouldn't necessarily be in a rush to kill people, especially since we are LOSING in the scumhunt.

 

And the last little martyr attempt "oh just lynch me, i dont care" us just weaksauce man. Youre better than that. And yes, ithi mentioning you on a number of posts CAN be considered relevant to the case on you, considering she flipped scum and you have a penchant for attempting gambits when scum. Dont act like im pulling stuff out of the air man, just gonna bite you in the ass

 

@Berf: i dont think its that crazy of an idea to think there might be antitown humans, considering all the evidence ilaid out, which you really didnt counter ANY of BTW. And I NEVER said the Medium/Recruiter would be untraceable or any of that nonsense. The viewer might not come back with a viewing of possessed if it targeted the Medium, it might just show in the flavor that something was up with that person. Once again, not that crazy of a thought.

 

Careful trying to be so dismissive of my thoughts Berf, if any of them are confirmed at all in any way some attention might come your way...

[hazelkrs1]

One thing I forgot about @Berf, It hi is a strong player, and high profile, but NotBob would really only be considered somewhat high profile by other JN'ers, most DMers don't know him that well, and if there WAS a JN recruiter, I'd see them picking a lot of other people besides NotBob, honestly.

 

Besides, the whole point of what I was saying is that I think there IS a recruiter out there, and considering we all started out as human, it stands to reason that the recruiter could be human. It could also be that the first person possessed became a recruiter, but as I covered alrdy that would seem a little odd considering the timing of events (the fact that NotBob called something out which could have made It hi look bad)

 

Either way, I find the possibility of a recruiter much easier to deal with, considering that with random recruitment town's chances of winning the game are extremely slim at this point

[peacesells]

I'd really like to lynch both Peace AND Darthe at this point, 2 for 1 special like.

 

@Peace: you're way too experienced to use such a faulty argument as "if EP thinks something, and I think the same thing, since he's a confirmed townie how does it look bad on me?". First of all, just because a confirmed townie thinks something, that doesn't say ANYTHING good or bad about you, since townies are playing blind ftmp. Second, think about how OFTEN EP is COMPLETELY wrong about something. He can just be barking up the wrong tree, and in fact I think he was. You making an even bigger deal about the same "slip" makes you look worse my friend.

 

 

 

DUDE!  THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT.  Someone was using the argument that only scum would say what I did.  I showed where they were wrong.  I didn't say it was conclusive on my argument. 

 

Now, despite the evidence being laid out for you at a 3rd grade level you continue down this path.  I ask again...why?

[peacesells]

And Despo, please respond to all counterpoints.  Don't pick and choose which ones you feel support your trumped up case better.

[Basel Gill]

BG on BG violence.

QFT for the lulz. +1.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

I'd really like to lynch both Peace AND Darthe at this point, 2 for 1 special like.

 

@Peace: you're way too experienced to use such a faulty argument as "if EP thinks something, and I think the same thing, since he's a confirmed townie how does it look bad on me?". First of all, just because a confirmed townie thinks something, that doesn't say ANYTHING good or bad about you, since townies are playing blind ftmp. Second, think about how OFTEN EP is COMPLETELY wrong about something. He can just be barking up the wrong tree, and in fact I think he was. You making an even bigger deal about the same "slip" makes you look worse my friend.

 

 

DUDE! THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT. Someone was using the argument that only scum would say what I did. I showed where they were wrong. I didn't say it was conclusive on my argument.

 

Now, despite the evidence being laid out for you at a 3rd grade level you continue down this path. I ask again...why?

Omg comprehension FAIL!

 

*headdesk*

 

First of all, I don't remember anyone saying "only scum would say that". That's not why you brought up EP, you were just trying to deflect off yourself at that time.

 

Second of all, I def NEVER said "only scum would say that", I was simply pointing out how pointless it was to try and use EP as defense for yourself. Only EP knows why the hell he does things, the name EP is darn near synonomous with erratic play nowadays.

 

Now. What points did I miss of yours that you would care for me to address?

[hazelkrs1]

Just to reiterate since you had to drop that whole 3rd grade crap, YOU decided to bring EP up. My point is, EP's opinion, confirmed townie or not, says NOTHING about you. It was a crappy defense, which is why I called you out on it.

[Darthe]

@Darthe: why didn't you say lynch then? You said "So we can actually kill someone". That wording seems off to me, a townie would be frustrated at not securing a lynch those days, but wouldn't necessarily be in a rush to kill people, especially since we are LOSING in the scumhunt.

 

And the last little martyr attempt "oh just lynch me, i dont care" us just weaksauce man. Youre better than that. And yes, ithi mentioning you on a number of posts CAN be considered relevant to the case on you, considering she flipped scum and you have a penchant for attempting gambits when scum. Dont act like im pulling stuff out of the air man, just gonna bite you in the ass

 

 

 

Lynching is killing.  You can call it something else if you want to but the town does the same thing in a different way.  Oh, and town is always losing until it wins..  Especially in a recruiting game that we have no clue how recruitment happens.  Ithi mentioning me is WIFOM and you know it.  To treat it as relevant in either direction is honestly belittling of your own abilities.  You may as well use that to case all people she mentioned.  

Thus: Thin air.

 

It isn't a martyr attempt to be flippant about your own death when your death doesn't matter btw.  Aren't we still at like a 1/8 ratio so far as we know?

[hazelkrs1]

@Darthe: of course I know that there's some wifom around Ithi mentioning you. Does that make it irrelevant? Hells to the naw. When she was namedropping you, she hadn't been viewed yet and had only really received minimal attention by that point. And incidentally, I remember Ithi mainly mentioning a few people: EP, who was confirmed town not too long ago, Red, who died confirmed town, Turin (of course), who died confirmed town, and you and Basel, both of what I'm wary of. So its not like I'm only considering you out of that group

[hazelkrs1]

Oh, and el oh el at all the people trying to scoff off my cases.

 

Did y'all forget that I WRECK at this game?! Wombat's spreadsheet don't lie man, I retired on TOP, then decided to pull an MJ and come back and school you young bloods!

 

/end sarcastic self-inflation

[peacesells]

One more try Despo and then I'll just toss you up as a lost cause.

 

When someone says that so and so is scum because they did such and such...it leaves no room for alternatives and therefore is the same as stating only scum would do this.

 

That person chose to ignore the fact that someone EP had done the same exact thing. So, it looks opportunistic and it was a complete logic fail.

 

The case made against me was that since I did cased someone a certain way that meant I was scum and it was presented that only scum would do so. I proved that a fallacy by stating that EP "a confirmed townee" took the same exact action I did. So, therefore the action did mean scum.

 

It didn't matter if it was EP, it could have been anybody. But I showed the logical fallacy in that argument because a CONFIRMED TOWN PLAYER DID THE SAME THING. Therefore I am not scum by that determining reason.

 

 

Plus..you continue to ignore my response that you trumped up the case by linking events that happened on 2 different phases. Your case as originally presented made me look to be contradicting myself when I wasn't. Yes, one hour EP was confirmed. Yet, the next hour he wasn't. If you don't think that confirmed players are a good recruiting source....please state so clearly so everyone knows where you are coming from.

 

Also, you ignore my response to the fact that it was I who purposed that random recruitment was a possibility. Yet you try and use that argument against me in your original case.

 

You piece mailed and argument together with carefully selected items taken out of context over different phases and made them look to be contradictory. One more time I ask:

 

What is your agenda here? Do you want truth or do you want a lynch?

 

And one more thing...stop being Obtuse. (Obtuse is the flavored word of the month on DM)

[hazelkrs1]

1. Show me where in my case I tried to link events from two diff phases in a way to condemn you. All you're doing is FLAILING about using words like "trumping up" and "obtuse" to try and discredit me, without actually showing where or how I'm doing those things.

 

2. I'm not going to go back and check whether or not you were one of the first to bring up random possession, and honestly it means nothing to me if you did. Once again, show me how I tried using that against you in my case.

 

3. Turning into a broken record here, but show me in my case where I'm trying to show that you were contradicting yourself. Never happened, chum. I just called you out for generally scummy behavior.

 

4. Two people can do something generally considered as scummy or illogical. If one of them is confirmed town, or can be considered a blundering mafia player, that same thing won't look as scummy coming from them. Furthermore, if there is something else that one of them that has done that looks scummy, then it gives even more reason to focus on one and ignore the other. You'e really using a completely ridiculous argument to try and defend yourself here. Don't point to someone else when someone calls you out for strange behavior, because it isn't ABOUT that other person. YOU should be able to explain/defend yourself and show a reason or something for your behavior.

 

5. Town players won't know much in any mafia game at the start. If they see something that seems off, they'll comment on it, it doesn't necessarily mean they think that ONLY scum would exhibit that behavior, as just about everyone that plays this game will realize that their judgement of someone will often be off the mark.

 

So NO, you can't say that someone commenting on something that you did is presenting the case as if ONLY a scum would do that.

 

Unless you can show me where someone says "Peace, only scum would do that" at ANY point in the thread, you really  have absolutely nothing to stand on there and should just completely drop it.

 

Also, incidentally, when you first brought EP up, it didn't seem like you were using the fact that he was confirmed at that point, in fact the way you directed the question in such a straight manner, I honestly think you either forgot or didn't see that EP was confirmed at that point. Gonna go back and find the original posts to see if this looks like that to anyone else.

 

*insert snarky comment about Peace digging his own grave here*

[peacesells]

I'll only respond to your last statement..cause I'm done going round and round with you on the rest.

 

When I said that I was attempting to lure the accuser out further and hopefully flesh their "weak" argument out more.

 

 

But, I'm moving on..you don't answer any questions although you expect others to do the same for you.

[hazelkrs1]

Alright, sorry to get all convoluted here people, but I figure this will save yall the time in goin back to read it yourselves

 

... I figure I'll also be nice and put it in spoiler code so only people who care to read it can open it, and it will look nicer if someone quotes it or something.

 

 

 

 

 

Ok I'll agree there are 2 possessed right now, DPR's language is clear on that count. That does not mean there are only 2 scum. There could easily be more than one scum team not to mention third parties.

 

What I don't understand Wombat is why you think we can't stop recruiting. How do you know there aren't a limited amount of recruitment opportunities? What if there is a cult leader and killing them stops the recruiting? Not sure if you're slipping or what but that doesn't add up at all.

Did you not pay attention to the spider game where I suggested similar, we have the alignments it's a done deal. However the bold seems a good place to latch onto.

 

UNVOTE VOTE NOLDER

 

 

Here's when EP first pointed out Nol's "slip" (he was the first to mention it)

 

Yes, Nolder...please explain the "we" comment.

 

Peace asks for clarification...

 

UNVOTE  VOTE NOLDER.

 

But before Nolder has had a chance to weigh in and explain himself, Peace just goes ahead and votes him. In the period between Peace's votes, Cloud I believe had decided to go with EP's reasoning and voted Nol. What Peace did right there looks pretty scummy alrdy, throwing out a soft FOS type post, just to vote soon after after someone else votes on his target.

 

A true fruedian slip.

 

 

Nolder you didn't say "stop the recruiting."  You said "...stop recruiting."  Big difference.

 

I don't really see a difference at all, much less a big one.

 

 

It's not though, it reads the same.

 

 

 

Really, you don't see the difference between:

 

We can't stop recruiting.

 

vs

 

We can't stop the recruiting.

 

One infers ownership of the action and the other infers others have ownership of the action.

 

 

Something to note here is that adding a subject to the verb makes it a whole diff story.

 

We can't stop recruiting of townies.

 

We can't stop the recruiting of townies.

 

Read the same to me.

 

 

 

 

Really, you don't see the difference between:

 

We can't stop recruiting.

 

vs

 

We can't stop the recruiting.

 

One infers ownership of the action and the other infers others have ownership of the action.

 

Put it back in context and it reads the same.

 

 

What I don't understand Wombat is why you think we can't stop the recruiting. How do you know there aren't a limited amount of recruitment opportunities? What if there is a cult leader and killing them stops the recruiting? Not sure if you're slipping or what but that doesn't add up at all.

 

What I don't understand Wombat is why you think we can't stop recruiting. How do you know there aren't a limited amount of recruitment opportunities? What if there is a cult leader and killing them stops the recruiting? Not sure if you're slipping or what but that doesn't add up at all.

Either way I am questioning Wombats knowledge of the recruiting mechanics.

 

 

Yes you are questioning Wombat...that's why it is a slip.  An unconscious act.  Your inner guilt showing. 

 

 

 

 

How does Nol questioning Wombat make it a slip? I don't even know what Peace is trying to say here.

 

Also note that the second time, in context, I say "the recruiting"

 

Jumping on a thin case you guys 

 

 

I see what you mean Nol.  Had it been in a different post or something, I think it would've been more suspicious, and a slip, but good of you to point that out.

 

Unvote

 

Nol once again points out the flimsiness of the case on him, and Hallia (she migth've been the one whoe voted Nol before Peace, can't remember) unvotes. Peace doesn't say anything for a while at this point, and the next time he does say something it has nothing to do with the situation on Nol:

 

 

I'm confused, am I dead?  If so, bah go town etc etc.  If not I have a bunch of stuff to post.

 

You are not dead yet.  Are you playing the Hallie card claiming ignorance?  Trying to look unpossessed?

 

 

TG votes Peace, Peace asks for reasoning (and also throws out the possibility of a VC)

 

 

vote Peace

 

 

Rand, I read your post.  I agree, as soon as someone uses an item they should post in the thread that they did and what happen. 

 

 

 

Are you being forced to vote me...or do you have a reason?

 

 

 

You jumped pretty hard on the Nolder slip.  I read it and initially took it the way he claims he intended, about whether or not town can stop possessed recruiting.  It seemed like you were being opportunistic.

 

 

 

Thanks for the explanation.

 

I thought this was kinda funny, Peace thanks TG for the explanation, but doesn't offer his response till 12-13 minutes later, even though it's a pretty simple one:

 

 

 

 

You jumped pretty hard on the Nolder slip.  I read it and initially took it the way he claims he intended, about whether or not town can stop possessed recruiting.  It seemed like you were being opportunistic.

 

 

 

Why not EP? He's voting Nolder for the same reason.

 

 

 

It's my belief at this point that Peace forgot EP had been confirmed town at this point. Why would anyone ask why someone isn't voting a confirmed townie? What kind of answer did he think he would get if he DID know EP to be confirmed at this point?

 

This doesn't read to me like Peace trying to draw TG into a line of reasoning that eventually proves his innocence, it reads more like an attempt at deflection to me.

 

 

 

Why not EP? He's voting Nolder for the same reason.

 

Did you miss where I'm 100% town for this phase?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EP was mod vetted.

 

 

So, per your understanding..it's possible a vetted town player votes for Nolder for the same reasoning that I do..yet I can't be town.  Do you not see the logic fail there? 

 

 

 

Weaksauce argument. In fact, Nolder explains why this argument is so ridiculous in a much shorter manner than I have:

 

 

So, per your understanding..it's possible a vetted town player votes for Nolder for the same reasoning that I do..yet I can't be town.  Do you not see the logic fail there? 

 

Implying scum can't use a townies faulty reasoning to vote another townie off?

If he thinks the reasoning is off but knows EP is town regardless the logical choice to vote would be you.

 

 

QFT

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you DPR. That confirms it; we have two mafia, YES we started out with zero. NOT NECESSARILY

 

 

Looks like we started with 1 possessed and 1 was recruited or more likely randomly assigned by the mod considering how fast it was.

 

This doesn't add up to the scene where all 33 investigators were viewed as town though.

 

so it happened after the viewing probably at the same time as the items being givin out as we know that happened after the game started, Random.org probably possesed someone.

 

 

Probably.  He started the game thread right away and then sent our PM's.  Seems likely.

 

 

I also found this in my scrounging around

 

THIS looks a LOT more like a slip to me. From the looks of this, Peace definitely got a PM, and seems to believe everyone who got a PM got one immediately. This doesn't mesh with what someone else said (was it Cloud or TG that received the first viewing device?), who got a PM with their item after the game had already started.

 

Care to explain this Peace?

 

Vote Nolder

 

Now that I have caught up, that was an incredibly damning freudian slip with his phrasing.

 

I just wanna point out that someone else I'm wary of atm came WAAAAY late to the party to vote Nol even after Nol had explained himself. If Peace and Basel happen to be scum together, this could have been an attempt to restoke the fire on Nol's lynch

 

 

I'll only respond to your last statement..cause I'm done going round and round with you on the rest. When I said that I was attempting to lure the accuser out further and hopefully flesh their "weak" argument out more. But, I'm moving on..you don't answer any questions although you expect others to do the same for you.

 

LOL

 

I literally responded to EVERYTHING you wanted me to respond to. I already addressed the part in bold in my recent WoT on you, I don't think that's what you were trying to do. Can't read minds, so I can't say for sure, but I'd like to know if others agree or not. Regardless, using EP's agreeing with you as defense for you somehow is silly, as Nolder pointed out much earlier in the game (and you never responded to that btw).

 

But if you don't wanna dance with me anymore cause you're afraid I'll show you up on the dance floor, I understand.

 

[hazelkrs1]

I really hope others decide to review my case on Peace, the other stuff I've already mentioned in addition to that slip I found are enough to make me very confident that we have a scummie here people.

 

Also, I forgot to bold my question to DPR earlier

 

@Mod: I honestly think we could use a hint at this point. How are we supposed to stop the recruitings/are the death scenes written for people NOT killed by ghosts just plain vig kill scenes, or is there something more to them?

 

And it's not just that I'm being lazy here, but from our vantage point it looks a bit like a hill that's nigh impossible to climb. So mebbe a little help in refreshing hope?

[dapianoplay3r]

Peace either find the quotes or GTFO

 

Despo

I like you

 

vote peace

[hazelkrs1]

Peace either find the quotes or GTFO

 

Despo

I like you

 

vote peace

 

 

I r a little bit drunk sir, are you hitting on me?

[dapianoplay3r]

You would know if I was hitting on you

 

Another drink hot stuff?

[peacesells]

Find what quotes?

 

 

Desp that was a typo...supposed to say OUT not OUR.

[dapianoplay3r]

And leaving out a word isn't a typo?

I thought the point of Freudian slips in text based games was they appear through typos

[peacesells]

I don't believe he claimed leaving out a word. He claime wrong interpretation.

[peacesells]

Anyway mine was a misspelling. The r and t are next to each other.

 

Can't beleive the king of misspelling is actually arguing this.