Enter the Dragon Mafia [Basic] D5: Town Wins!!

[Tiinker]

 

We could mass role reveal. Already have the important roles out in the open.

1) This one was made when the Dice lynch seemed almost inevitable. Bringing up a mass role reveal is scummy in my book. 

 

I'm around to hammer too. unvote

2) This is something that bothers me too. First of all, you don't unvote RTE for quite a while (only when almost everything is done), also while you've been around to hammer, you never did. Yes, it is quite possible that you simply forgot to unvote and not doing the hammer is not your fault, there've been some 4 players around.

  

Myself, Tsuki, Noldor, Mish, Darthe. That's who's left. Something we're forgetting is that there's a chance Csarmi could have viewed the mafia godfather in RTE.

3) Forgetting Millon. Which was explained below (you would case him later). Pointing out Godfather is something I found pro-town.

 

Results Csarmi?

4) This one pings too. Only the maffia has a reason to be impatient and want the cop result so much. Town is unaffected, town just plays on, does his cases and trusts the cop to know what to say and when to say. Even a noob cop like me.

 

It's 1+4 that pinged me the most and what I find interesting is that you did not quote those yourself.

 

I didn't quote those because you said that the posts of mine that pinged you were the ones in response to the reveal. I disagree that a mass role reveal was a scummy play. Cop was out, Doc was out and we were stalling and there was also RB wifom. 

[csarmi]

Tiinker, in what way could a mass reveal help town at that point?

[Tiinker]

I just said.

[Tsukibana]

 

How  does someone make it to D4 and have cast only one real vote?? Lot's of "would've, should've, could've",

but only one for Mish, and for not being active?

Pinging more than slightly...

Tsuki, what do you think of Darthe's play?

 

 

I think he's fixated on me. I think that, from what Hallia said, that he targets newbs.

I DON'T think he does it maliciously, however. I give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he's like

that ornery uncle that hammers your face in every mistake when he teaches you chess.

But I also believe that he's been absent, skim reads, and is not putting his all into this game. I don't know if that pings

scummy, but I expect more from a "good" player. Also, seems that he's taken over for me and Mish on the tunnel train.

[Tsukibana]

I don't believe a mass reveal would have helped Town at all. Forcing every PR into the open does nothing but line up the scum targets in a nice, shiny row.

Along with several ducks.

[Tiinker]

I don't believe a mass reveal would have helped Town at all. Forcing every PR into the open does nothing but line up the scum targets in a nice, shiny row.

Along with several ducks.

No? The Cop and Doc were already out in the open as well as all the people they've confirmed as town so the nice shiny row of yours is already perfectly laid out to them. Dice's cop claim was pretty awful and since he had said he was RB'd, his reveal would've had much more weighting if a roleblocker actually did come out and reveal. If he had actually been the cop then we would have been handicapped without him and the claims could have saved him. Luckily he wasn't but don't say you knew how that would turn out. Also, if we had gone with the mass claim and everyone revealed then one person on the mafia team would have had to admit to being a roleblocker. With two cops claiming, one of them would be bound to be lynched and if we lynched Csarmi, then we would have 2 scum pegged for the next day. If we lynched Dice then we also peg the fake roleblocker.

 

Cop, doc, vig, SK, mason and RB are basic roles. No SK, no vig in this game deduced from NK's, Cop and doc are out, mason who cares really and that leaves the RBer.

 

[Tsukibana]

Ahhh. Makes some sense.

[Millon]

That is actually a quite compelling case... What I find most interesting about it is two things: How he constantly refers to himself as new, but then in his post about going after lurkers he sayd "since then I've gone after inactives" (paraphrased). Well, if the incident he talked about was his first game... And this is his third game... That doesn't really add up. And then we have how he first chews me off really hard for being inactive, and votes me, and then after starts questioning Tsuki if he thought his  (Tsuki's) case held up enough to lynch me. Apparantly Mill's own "case" didn't since he never mentioned it again. That's a typical opportunistic vote. So Mills, how come you didn't follow up on your own vote against me? You seemed agitated enough.

I guess I was just looking for a reaction from you. It was a weak statement. Probably why it go NO reaction from anyone lol. Except for Tink jumping on. Now, when I went at Tsuki it was because of why I stated in the post. It seemed like he put a pretty big effort into claiming you were scum, was basically directing much of the discussion and whenit came close to dead line he dropped it. It didn't make sense. He controlled a good portion of the day phase, set up a pretty good case and then dropped it. If he honestly thought you were scum and put in the work to prove why would he drop it? I thought it was just wasting time to control the day.

[Millon]

on an aside, I think it's very funny how I've been completely looked over. lol Reading my posts I really haven't offered anything constructive. And no, I'm hrowing out the 'newb card' just stating that I am still trying to figure out the game. Most of you play a fare amount of Mafia and know that I do not play. Cut me some slack.

[csarmi]

Tiinker, no maffia player would claim maffia. Also, no maffia player would claim roleblocker.

That none of the players claims roleblocker would mean nothing.

 

Your argument is flowed, and the one I'm pointing up above is not the only one in it.

 

Town would get no extra info, while maffia might (if, for example, a townie RB exists and does claim it - which would be foolish btw).

[ReleaseTheEvil]

on an aside, I think it's very funny how I've been completely looked over. lol Reading my posts I really haven't offered anything constructive. And no, I'm hrowing out the 'newb card' just stating that I am still trying to figure out the game. Most of you play a fare amount of Mafia and know that I do not play. Cut me some slack.

 

Really? Because I suspected you from a while back. I still don't like your play. I have more that I'd like to add but right now you are a great place to start. Vote Millon

[Millon]

You are wasting your time on me. Plain and simple. I would like to hear your reasons though so I can address them.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

on an aside, I think it's very funny how I've been completely looked over. lol Reading my posts I really haven't offered anything constructive. And no, I'm hrowing out the 'newb card' just stating that I am still trying to figure out the game. Most of you play a fare amount of Mafia and know that I do not play. Cut me some slack.

 

This and when I pointed out earlier that your posts were a bit... off. It was a gut feeling at first but you haven't dissuaded it at all, and you're making great points yourself.

[Tiinker]

Tiinker, no maffia player would claim maffia. Also, no maffia player would claim roleblocker.

That none of the players claims roleblocker would mean nothing.

 

Your argument is flowed, and the one I'm pointing up above is not the only one in it.

 

Town would get no extra info, while maffia might (if, for example, a townie RB exists and does claim it - which would be foolish btw).

Mafia player WOULD have to claim roleblocker in order to protect Dice from getting lynched. Of course he could have ignored it, but that would have let us lynch Dice with a lot more certainty. A town RB would have claimed no problem. So yes, town would get more info.

[csarmi]

 

Tiinker, no maffia player would claim maffia. Also, no maffia player would claim roleblocker.

That none of the players claims roleblocker would mean nothing.

 

Your argument is flowed, and the one I'm pointing up above is not the only one in it.

 

Town would get no extra info, while maffia might (if, for example, a townie RB exists and does claim it - which would be foolish btw).

Mafia player WOULD have to claim roleblocker in order to protect Dice from getting lynched. Of course he could have ignored it, but that would have let us lynch Dice with a lot more certainty. A town RB would have claimed no problem. So yes, town would get more info.

 

Not at all. That there is no roleblocker claim would NOT invalidate Dice's claim at all, as no sane maffia would ever claim roleblocker.

[Tiinker]

 

 

Tiinker, no maffia player would claim maffia. Also, no maffia player would claim roleblocker.

That none of the players claims roleblocker would mean nothing.

 

Your argument is flowed, and the one I'm pointing up above is not the only one in it.

 

Town would get no extra info, while maffia might (if, for example, a townie RB exists and does claim it - which would be foolish btw).

Mafia player WOULD have to claim roleblocker in order to protect Dice from getting lynched. Of course he could have ignored it, but that would have let us lynch Dice with a lot more certainty. A town RB would have claimed no problem. So yes, town would get more info.

 

Not at all. That there is no roleblocker claim would NOT invalidate Dice's claim at all, as no sane maffia would ever claim roleblocker.

 

They very well could I don't get why you think it's so impossible. And I think your missing that at the time we were trying to validate Dices claim. If a town came out and revealed they had blocked him then it would've made a big difference. 

[peacesells]

 

on an aside, I think it's very funny how I've been completely looked over. lol Reading my posts I really haven't offered anything constructive. And no, I'm hrowing out the 'newb card' just stating that I am still trying to figure out the game. Most of you play a fare amount of Mafia and know that I do not play. Cut me some slack.

 

This and when I pointed out earlier that your posts were a bit... off. It was a gut feeling at first but you haven't dissuaded it at all, and you're making great points yourself.

 

 

Why haven't you voted Nolder for the same reason?

 

Why hasn't Nolder been lynched yet?  He's admitted his own scummy play. 

 

MOD WE NEED A VOTE COUNT AND DEADLINE. 

[Tiinker]

I think the deadline is in like 40 hours or something.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I'd say Nolder and Mill are top of my scum list right now actually. I would like to go back and make a list, but those two top it.

[csarmi]

Peace, are you voting Nolder?

[peacesells]

Peace, are you voting Nolder?

 

 

I believe I am.  In case I'm not.

 

UNVOTE VOTE NOLDER

[Tyler Glembo]

CURRENT VOTE COUNT

 

Nolder (1) - Peace

Tiinker (1) - Nolder

Millon (3) - Tiinker, Dap, RTE

 

Not Voting (5): Tsuki, Millon, Darthe, Mish, CSarmi

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch 

 

Deadline

: The Deadline will be Saturday at Noon EST (US). Countdown: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130601T12&p0=263&msg=Enter+the+Dragon+Mafia%3A+D4

[csarmi]

Peace, what makes you think that Nolder is scum?

[peacesells]

Peace, what makes you think that Nolder is scum?

 

I've stated this before.

 

All he's done is snipe in this game.  No scumhunting.  No putting himself out there.  Skimming..etc.

[csarmi]

 

Peace, what makes you think that Nolder is scum?

 

I've stated this before.

 

All he's done is snipe in this game.  No scumhunting.  No putting himself out there.  Skimming..etc.

 

That's quite true.