[Advanced] The Dresden Files Mafia - Game Over - Ed loses, Verbal wins

[Niniel]

Checked out Nolder´s, TGlem´s, Rand´s and Lenlo´s posts. 

 

TGlems looks town to me.

 

Nolder - I don´t know. Makes the "trap", accuse Ape for not falling into it, votes Ape and then unvotes after a few posts. Have mostly argued with Ape all game. Seems uninterested in the game. Says he will re-read and comment so I will wait for that.

 

Rand - looks scummy. He went on about looking at those who unvoted BooBoo before he claimed but has never followed that up. Too quiet.

 

Lenlo - Scummy. Says Ishy looks scummy but never votes him. He didn´t vote me when it looked like Ape had viewed me. Made some strange comment to Ed. 

[Niniel]

I´m interested in lynching/killing Lenlo, Rand, BooBoo, Katiora. 

 

Turin - need to hear more from him. 

Leelou - I change my mind about her all the time.

Hybrid/Peace - need to check them out later

 

 

 

 

 

 

7. Peace
8. Leelou





 

[Hybrid]

 

Back.  Not online over weekends, and yesterday was my son's 4th birthday, so I was out with him all day.  Back at work now.  Time to roll.  Or troll.  Depends.

 

 

I think this should clear up any questions about Kincaid, Tina and the shotgun vs. sniper rifles. I believe completely that Tina took both shots she is claiming. However, based on the dynamics of this character, I could easily see it being the most logical to use as a 3rd party. No loytalties to either Harry or the Denarians.

 

 

 

Jared Kincaid (the Hellhound)

Species: Half-human, half-demon scion (alleged by Ebenezar McCoy)

Occupation: Mercenary, Guardian of the Archive

Jared Kincaid is his modern name, but the Hellhound was the name used by this half-human killer when working for Drakul himself, centuries before. He appears to be in his thirties, a tall, handsome man "with dark golden hair, just long enough to look a little exotic, sporting gray-blue eyes that missed nothing...built like a swimmer more than a weight lifter, all leonine power and lazy grace taken completely for granted" but to a wizard's Sight, he appears as an enormous horned, bat-winged entity. He is a killer of incredible ability, who doesn't miss what he shoots at, tremendous (although concealed) strength, speed, and recuperative ability. He seems skilled in all the possible black op and special forces tricks and tactics one could ask for, from commenting how he'd snipe Harry down from a thousand yards away if Harry cheats him to avoid a death curse, to being able to take out two Denarians with one shot.

His combat experience is immense and not restricted to firearms. Brought down by several vampiric hounds and boosted zombies, he not only lives through the fight, he kills all his enemies. In Small Favor he is responsible for the deaths of at least five, possibly six Denarians, and is only brought down when he actually shows himself in a last-ditch effort to save Ivy. He is extremely inventive about the appropriate equipment he brings to a fight (proper costumes and identification, sawed off shotguns, boar-spears with explosive caps, paint guns shooting holy water balls, and so forth.) His recuperative abilities are immense, he can generally recover from any attack given time. Despite what seems an extraordinary amount of fighting experience, he actually has little experience with direct magical combat and wizardry (although he is VERY well versed on all the magical tricks/effects non-spellcasters can use), confessing that he'd never seen a wizard 'cut loose' like Harry did in Blood Rites. He is also a consummate actor, showing the ability to switch accents easily, and playing the part of an emergency worker as easily as that of a cop. He has a visual range that extends at least into the infrared, a sense of smell at least as sharp as a dog, and presumably superb hearing and touch to go with it.

Although possessed of a shady past, Kincaid is scrupulous about honoring his obligations, despite his own misgivings, even if it causes personal injury to himself. He has crossed paths with and shares a mutual enmity with Harry's mentor Ebenezar "Blackstaff" McCoy; the precise reason for the feud is unclear, although it dates to an incident in Istanbul about a century before the time frame of the books. All that McCoy would say on the subject was that there were certain boundaries between those in their profession based on professional courtesy and respect, and that Kincaid had crossed them.

Kincaid is currently under a continuing long-term contract to The Archive. This latter service of guarding a terribly powerful young girl seems to have softened him somewhat, as his loyalty and affection to her seem to go far above and beyond what a mere contract would require, and he seems to see himself and Harry as the only thing that Ivy has as far as family goes after she is kidnapped in Small Favor. He also worked for Ivy's grandmother when she was the Archive, and was a friend of Ivy's angry, tragic mother. Amusingly, when Kincaid sees Ivy cheerfully playing with Harry's cat Mister, he remarks "Now that's scary."

Kincaid also has a purely sexual "friendship" with Karrin Murphy, although she confesses in Small Favor that she has romantic feelings for him as well. Whether these are reciprocated is unknown, though she has stated he gave her chocolates and a gun with "we'll always have Hawaii" written on it, something Murphy refuses to comment on. Murphy also revealed his first name to Dresden in Small Favor. This relationship appears to be over as of Small Favor.

Changes ends with Harry being shot and falling off his temporary home on the Water Beetle into the freezing water with a bullet wound in his chest, and according to the author he was indeed dead. More detail emerges in Ghost Story, as Harry learns that he was shot by a high velocity sniper round fired from the rooftop of a building hundreds of meters away, almost precisely the manner in which Kincaid once told Harry he would kill him if it came down to it. Near the end of the novel, Harry discovers that he had arranged for Kincaid to kill him, believing that he would eventually lose his humanity once he accepted Mab's offer to become the Winter Knight. Molly Carpenter then removed Harry's memory of that conversation so that he could attempt to deceive Mab when they met to close the deal.

 

 

 

Thanks for the research, btw.

 

 

 

 

&g

t;

 

Also, we could lynch Booboo to learn about others. I don't care at this point. I just need the information.

 

We should lynch based on who is scummiest at this point.  Yes, we need info, but I agree that we shouldn't lynch any of the investigative roles.  Even if Booboo or Ed2 is a mafia reporter the more reports they make now the more it will end up hurting scum closer to endgame.  Also, I think Tina needs to take out a few of the players that aren't actually playing.  Turin, Rand, etc.

 

All in on this one.  We have a pool of players that aren't yet tied to anybody via views (cop, reporter, or otherwise) -- we should lynch from here and have Tina shoot from here.  Remove the complete inactives.

 

 

At this point, I'm not even interested in winning. This could very well be a suggestion that serves scum's best interestes, I dunno. If so, it's worth doing to make an example of the inactives and their negative impact on the game.... but then, the lesson would surely be lost on them. So whatevs... 

 

 

I'm fine with Tina shooting the inactive players.  It's not really pro-town, but any of the inactive townies in that pool are "town" only in the loosest sense of the word, so . . .  I'm fine with lynches there too, I guess.  Anything to get this game moving again.  Endgame is going to be pretty much impossible if these guys hang around.

 

I remember this stage of DM games pretty well, though.  It's one reason I started trying to only sign up for games that a lot of the "big guns" were playing in, otherwise the games tend to hit a rut around midgame.

[Niniel]

I wish AVM could be more active since he is the only one that Ape has confirmed as town. AVM - who are on your scum list?

[Leelou]

I *think* this is right. I went from Snow's last vc. 

 

 

UNOfficial Vote Count:

 

 

 

Tina(2): Kat, Turin

 

Ed(1): AVM

 

Len(2): Ed, Leelou

 

Peace(2): TGlems, Hybrid

 

Boo(2): Nol, Tina

 

Kat(1):  Boo

 

Nol(1): Peace

 

 

 

Not Voting: Lenlo, Verbal, Rand, Ape

[Leelou]

Add Ape to the not voting. 

[John McClane]

For the record, I count Verbal amongst the inactives. So, while he suddenly pops in to support the agenda of Tina shooting inactives, I think he has to be considred amongst them.

 

Verbals biggest contributions to the thread are:

 

1. When I was casing/pursuing Booboo, Verbal gave a wink-wink to Booboo, and made sure I was not derailed in my pursuit of Booboo. In particular when Nolder was chirping at me about voting Booboo instead of Ishy.

 

2. Verbal saw I was the cop in my reaction to Ishy hinting Tina was, and pretended he was going to case me during night. To create the impression he was trying to "keep me alive". 

 

It looks as though scum's shot failed that night. So I assume I was targeted. So my working theory is Verbal was putting on that "keep Ape alive" show, so that the next day when I was dead he could talk about how pro-town it was. Me not dying kind of effed him up there.

 

There are a LOT of scenarios I'm running, all of them stem from one of Booboo or Ed being scum.

[John McClane]

Add Ape to the not voting. 

 

yeah, I'm waiting for the opportunity to hammer 

 

what is your read on verbal, you know him better than most... you guys haven't even prodded each other this game.

[Hybrid]

I *think* this is right. I went from Snow's last vc. 

 

 

UNOfficial Vote Count:

 

 

 

Tina(2): Kat, Turin

Ed(1): AVM

Len(2): Ed, Leelou

Peace(2): TGlems, Hybrid

Boo(2): Nol, Tina

Kat(1):  Boo

Nol(1): Peace

 

 

 

Not Voting: Lenlo, Verbal, Rand, Ape

 

Dammit, I just did this.  LOL.  Mine agrees with your, FWIW.

[Leelou]

 

Add Ape to the not voting. 

 

yeah, I'm waiting for the opportunity to hammer 

 

what is your read on verbal, you know him better than most... you guys haven't even prodded each other this game.

 

Right now, my gut tells me he's town. He hasn't been exactly active enough for me to judge though. 

[John McClane]

 

 

Add Ape to the not voting. 

 

yeah, I'm waiting for the opportunity to hammer 

 

what is your read on verbal, you know him better than most... you guys haven't even prodded each other this game.

 

Right now, my gut tells me he's town. He hasn't been exactly active enough for me to judge though. 

 

 

He makes me wary... he's ONLY really popped up here and there to push things I've suggested. One being voting Boobo, which resulted in outing a potential invest. role. I'm getting a mild get behind the ape presence.

[Nolder]

Well I've done a small reread but it's not the massive one I promised. 

I blame John Snow. There's no links to when days and nights end/begin which makes analyzing final votecounts impossible unless you want to trawl through the entire thread one page at a time which I don't.

 

So here's my thoughts on the situation right now. Ape went after me imo mostly because I went after him earlier and now he's waiting to see who hops onto the case he made. We just rub each other the wrong way I guess. He says he's unvoted so he can hammer (who? why?) and now he's just kind of hovering around. Which is fine by me considering he's been like 80% of the activity this game has seen in the past 4 or 5 days. Dude deserves a bit of a break from doing all the scumhunting.

 

Kat and Verbal have both done absolutely nothing that I can remember. Would happily lynch either of them. Would also policy lynch Song/Pac and Crusher/Rand based on activity.

 

I think Tina is a legit Vig but even if she's not we can still call her shots. I know she was against that which makes me slightly worried but maybe if we compromise and give her a choice of 3 people to choose between that'll be fine.

 

Ed is town IMO as is AVM and Leelou.

 

Peace I'm leaning scum on. It feels like he's trying too hard to direct Ape. I almost feel like he's trying to bait Ape into investigating him. Has anyone mentioned Godfathers yet? And yes that was a joke Ape, suck it. Seriously though I think he's one to keep an eye on in the next day or two.

 

Tglems, Hybrid,  and Lenlo I have no read on.

 

And of course Booboo who I'm currently voting is scum MVP imo.

[Verbal32]

Please.

 

Before the weekend, I was active enough and was engaged in the debates.  I'm simply not online over the weekend - and I wasn't yesterday as well due to my son's birthday.

 

I'm back today, and have been active (again).  So cut the "Verbal is inactive" talk - this is part of your agenda to discredit JiF.  Just view him and end it.  He vetted me, and you're trying to link us.  You think JiF's dumb enough to........actually, don't answer that.  heh

 

 

 

At this point, I'm not even interested in winning. This could very well be a suggestion that serves scum's best interestes, I dunno. If so, it's worth doing to make an example of the inactives and their negative impact on the game.... but then, the lesson would surely be lost on them. So whatevs... 

 

I'm well aware of that - I also don't care.  Game is stalling.

 

 

 

And thanks, Verb.

 

I know I never put together perfect games, but I am unrivaled on effort. I'm a bit sour on this game, but will see it through, my role's not something someone could just step into. 

 

I'll grant you this 100%.

 

 

 

For the record, I count Verbal amongst the inactives. So, while he suddenly pops in to support the agenda of Tina shooting inactives, I think he has to be considred amongst them.

 

Verbals biggest contributions to the thread are:

 

1. When I was casing/pursuing Booboo, Verbal gave a wink-wink to Booboo, and made sure I was not derailed in my pursuit of Booboo. In particular when Nolder was chirping at me about voting Booboo instead of Ishy.

 

2. Verbal saw I was the cop in my reaction to Ishy hinting Tina was, and pretended he was going to case me during night. To create the impression he was trying to "keep me alive". 

 

It looks as though scum's shot failed that night. So I assume I was targeted. So my working theory is Verbal was putting on that "keep Ape alive" show, so that the next day when I was dead he could talk about how pro-town it was. Me not dying kind of effed him up there.

 

There are a LOT of scenarios I'm running, all of them stem from one of Booboo or Ed being scum.

 

DIAF.

[Verbal32]

Well I've done a small reread but it's not the massive one I promised. 

I blame John Snow. There's no links to when days and nights end/begin which makes analyzing final votecounts impossible unless you want to trawl through the entire thread one page at a time which I don't.

 

So here's my thoughts on the situation right now. Ape went after me imo mostly because I went after him earlier and now he's waiting to see who hops onto the case he made. We just rub each other the wrong way I guess. He says he's unvoted so he can hammer (who? why?) and now he's just kind of hovering around. Which is fine by me considering he's been like 80% of the activity this game has seen in the past 4 or 5 days. Dude deserves a bit of a break from doing all the scumhunting.

 

Kat and Verbal have both done absolutely nothing that I can remember. Would happily lynch either of them. Would also policy lynch Song/Pac and Crusher/Rand based on activity.

 

I think Tina is a legit Vig but even if she's not we can still call her shots. I know she was against that which makes me slightly worried but maybe if we compromise and give her a choice of 3 people to choose between that'll be fine.

 

Ed is town IMO as is AVM and Leelou.

 

Peace I'm leaning scum on. It feels like he's trying too hard to direct Ape. I almost feel like he's trying to bait Ape into investigating him. Has anyone mentioned Godfathers yet? And yes that was a joke Ape, suck it. Seriously though I think he's one to keep an eye on in the next day or two.

 

Tglems, Hybrid,  and Lenlo I have no read on.

 

And of course Booboo who I'm currently voting is scum MVP imo.

 

Don't blame the mod for not putting links in - who the hell even does that?

[Leelou]

Has anyone seen Snow? 

[John McClane]

Please.

 

Before the weekend, I was active enough and was engaged in the debates.  I'm simply not online over the weekend - and I wasn't yesterday as well due to my son's birthday.

 

I'm back today, and have been active (again).  So cut the "Verbal is inactive" talk - this is part of your agenda to discredit JiF.  Just view him and end it.  He vetted me, and you're trying to link us.  You think JiF's dumb enough to........actually, don't answer that.  heh

 

 

What debates?

 

You are full of crap, may not be scum, but definitely full of it. 

 

I also don't like the idea of viewing JIF, I'd rather just kill him. A coroner report vets him and a whole lot of others, IMO. 

 

FOS you for directing my investigation to someone likely to be dead soon.

[John McClane]

 

Well I've done a small reread but it's not the massive one I promised. 

I blame John Snow. There's no links to when days and nights end/begin which makes analyzing final votecounts impossible unless you want to trawl through the entire thread one page at a time which I don't.

 

So here's my thoughts on the situation right now. Ape went after me imo mostly because I went after him earlier and now he's waiting to see who hops onto the case he made. We just rub each other the wrong way I guess. He says he's unvoted so he can hammer (who? why?) and now he's just kind of hovering around. Which is fine by me considering he's been like 80% of the activity this game has seen in the past 4 or 5 days. Dude deserves a bit of a break from doing all the scumhunting.

 

Kat and Verbal have both done absolutely nothing that I can remember. Would happily lynch either of them. Would also policy lynch Song/Pac and Crusher/Rand based on activity.

 

I think Tina is a legit Vig but even if she's not we can still call her shots. I know she was against that which makes me slightly worried but maybe if we compromise and give her a choice of 3 people to choose between that'll be fine.

 

Ed is town IMO as is AVM and Leelou.

 

Peace I'm leaning scum on. It feels like he's trying too hard to direct Ape. I almost feel like he's trying to bait Ape into investigating him. Has anyone mentioned Godfathers yet? And yes that was a joke Ape, suck it. Seriously though I think he's one to keep an eye on in the next day or two.

 

Tglems, Hybrid,  and Lenlo I have no read on.

 

And of course Booboo who I'm currently voting is scum MVP imo.

 

Don't blame the mod for not putting links in - who the hell even does that?

 

Agreed. Nolder is a piece of turd.

[Nolder]

Please.

 

Before the weekend, I was active enough and was engaged in the debates.  I'm simply not online over the weekend - and I wasn't yesterday as well due to my son's birthday.

 

I'm back today, and have been active (again).  So cut the "Verbal is inactive" talk - this is part of your agenda to discredit JiF.  Just view him and end it.  He vetted me, and you're trying to link us.  You think JiF's dumb enough to........actually, don't answer that.  heh

Bro, check your postcount. You've got 55 out of 1,366 (67 now unless I get sniped).

That's not very active even if your posts were chock full of gameplay which not all of them were.

I'm not in a position to harp about this right now because I haven't been very active either but still, come on.

 

 

 

Well I've done a small reread but it's not the massive one I promised. 

I blame John Snow. There's no links to when days and nights end/begin which makes analyzing final votecounts impossible unless you want to trawl through the entire thread one page at a time which I don't.

 

So here's my thoughts on the situation right now. Ape went after me imo mostly because I went after him earlier and now he's waiting to see who hops onto the case he made. We just rub each other the wrong way I guess. He says he's unvoted so he can hammer (who? why?) and now he's just kind of hovering around. Which is fine by me considering he's been like 80% of the activity this game has seen in the past 4 or 5 days. Dude deserves a bit of a break from doing all the scumhunting.

 

Kat and Verbal have both done absolutely nothing that I can remember. Would happily lynch either of them. Would also policy lynch Song/Pac and Crusher/Rand based on activity.

 

I think Tina is a legit Vig but even if she's not we can still call her shots. I know she was against that which makes me slightly worried but maybe if we compromise and give her a choice of 3 people to choose between that'll be fine.

 

Ed is town IMO as is AVM and Leelou.

 

Peace I'm leaning scum on. It feels like he's trying too hard to direct Ape. I almost feel like he's trying to bait Ape into investigating him. Has anyone mentioned Godfathers yet? And yes that was a joke Ape, suck it. Seriously though I think he's one to keep an eye on in the next day or two.

 

Tglems, Hybrid,  and Lenlo I have no read on.

 

And of course Booboo who I'm currently voting is scum MVP imo.

 

Don't blame the mod for not putting links in - who the hell even does that?

I do.

 

Has anyone seen Snow? 

His most recent post on DM was 3 days ago. I guess he's MIA.

[Verbal32]

Nolder, being top 5 in posts does not mean anybody below that is inactive.  There are a good handful of living players beneath my in postcount.

 

I never said I was hyper-active.  I ramp up as the game goes on.  You've played with me enough to know.  If I had a gun, I'd shoot you now for being annoying.

 

 

 

 

Please.

 

Before the weekend, I was active enough and was engaged in the debates.  I'm simply not online over the weekend - and I wasn't yesterday as well due to my son's birthday.

 

I'm back today, and have been active (again).  So cut the "Verbal is inactive" talk - this is part of your agenda to discredit JiF.  Just view him and end it.  He vetted me, and you're trying to link us.  You think JiF's dumb enough to........actually, don't answer that.  heh

 

 

What debates?

 

You are full of crap, may not be scum, but definitely full of it. 

 

I also don't like the idea of viewing JIF, I'd rather just kill him. A coroner report vets him and a whole lot of others, IMO. 

 

FOS you for directing my investigation to someone likely to be dead soon.

 

I'm not full of it.  I'm on the line for activity  - in no way can you classify me as inactive when multiple living players are WELL below me in postcount.  It is ridiculous for you to even state that.

 

And FOS yourself.  Why kill a potential investigative role?  Why not vet the information instead?  Don't be a crappy Cop - think of all the angles before firing from the hip.  You sound like Nolder now.

[Niniel]

Verbal - instead of talking about how active you are, care to tell us who you think we should lynch today? I don´t think you have voted today. 

[John McClane]

LOL, verbal is so easily trolled.

 

Yah, Verbski, tell us who you want to lynch you pig... stop debating semantics, like I said scum always does to bury validity. :P

[peacesells]

Verbal - instead of talking about how active you are, care to tell us who you think we should lynch today? I don´t think you have voted today. 

 

Brilliant.  Yes  - Verbal...why do you continue to avoid the true subject at hand? 

[Hybrid]

Well I've done a small reread but it's not the massive one I promised.

I blame John Snow. There's no links to when days and nights end/begin which makes analyzing final votecounts impossible unless you want to trawl through the entire thread one page at a time which I don't.

 

Maybe you could just *gasp* make them yourself if they're so important to you. Revolutionary, I know.

[Nolder]

 

Well I've done a small reread but it's not the massive one I promised.

I blame John Snow. There's no links to when days and nights end/begin which makes analyzing final votecounts impossible unless you want to trawl through the entire thread one page at a time which I don't.

Maybe you could just *gasp* make them yourself if they're so important to you. Revolutionary, I know.

And that would entail...? Oh yeah, that's right, trawling through the entire game thread. And then keeping track of whichever post I happen to put all the links in.

 

No. I don't think I'll be doing that thanks. Now why don't we get back to the game?

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Obviously no one is going to lynch Jif today which I think is retarded but whatevs.

Let's see if we can get a Verbal lynch going.

 

Unvote

Vote Verbal

[Leelou]

UNOfficial Vote Count:

 

Tina(2): Kat, Turin

Ed(1): AVM

Len(2): Ed, Leelou

Peace(2): TGlems, Hybrid

Boo(1): Tina

Kat(1):  Boo

Nol(1): Peace

Verbal(1): Nol

 

 

 

Not Voting: Lenlo, Verbal, Rand, Ape