[ADVANCED] Forsaken in the White Tower: Town wins!

[peacesells]

Who did Talya claim to be?

[peacesells]

doh..you just posted. I forgot about the Gawyn claim.

[Niniel]

Eh.. I see that I did some more mistakes about colouring and claims. We are not allowed to edit,right? Just so you know, I´m not trying to manipulate it, just forgot some things.

[Niniel]

Wow, this is going to take a while...

 

I assume that Kae is town. I also think that RTE is town. That is based on gut feeling and that he has played rather aggressive in the beginning and also being silenced. Non of this is good evidence just a gut feeling.

 

Looking at the vc´s I see that Tiinker, Time and Player was on the Rand train before he claimed. Those three was also on the Lenlo lynch yesterday. So let´s take a look at them. Quotes will be coming.

[Niniel]

When I did my re-read this where Time´s posts that stood out to me.

 

I don't believe that Thom would be in this game.... although, he did help Nynaeve and Elayne hunt down the Black Ajah in Tanchico and was with Mat in Tear, so it is possible...

 

Don´t believe but it could be possible - does not take a stand.

 

I'm wondering if there would be some from the Salidar tower, too...

 

Irrelevant question.

 

Rand missing is suspicious to me.... unvote vote Rand

 

It was clear that Rand was missing from all DM. If I remember right people unvoted or hesitated to vote him while he was gone but Time did the opposite.

 

I don't like a no lynch, but from the claims, it seemed better than lynching town.... I don't quite believe Lenlo's claim, but it is possible that Birgitte's in here...

 

Don´t like a no lynch but it´s better than lynching a townie - doesn´t take a stand.

Don´t believe in Lenlo´s claim but... Yeh, you´re beginning to see what I´m seeing now.

 

Okay... first off, what is a mail carrier?? at the moment, the people that I think are town are

 

1. Darthe- he's claimed Nynaeve, and in my opinion, that'd be a pretty hard claim to fake...

2. Cloud- claimed Thom, town doublevoter... even though I'm wondering how Thom could be a doublevoter, Cloud has been actively looking for mafia, but ill admit that it's odd that everyone followed him after he voted no lynch...

3. Player- mostly gut feeling, but he's not really had any scummy posts

 

 

the people that I'm unsure of are...

 

1. Kaylee- seems to be thinking things over and analyzing everything, leaning town

2. Tiink- unsure

3. TG- I'm leaning town, but I'm unsure 

4. Kae- she seems  hard to convince at some things, but I'm leaning town

5. Rand- mostly buying his Elayne claim, but not completely sure about being vanilla... and in one of his posts, i could barely understand what he was trying to say

6. Tina- leaning towards town

7. Pandy- I'm unsure what to think

8. Talya- leaning towards town... mainly a gut feeling, though

9. Lenlo- not completely buying his Birgitte claim, and to me he was acting scummy on Day1, so for me he could go either way...

10. Kronos- came in for Mish, hasn't really had any scummy looking posts to me, but he did say that there might be a SK in here, so I'm unsure what to make of his suggestion, but I'm leaning town

 

people who I think are mafia or am leaning towards thinking mafia are

 

1. Peace- seems jumpy to me... I've never really played with him before, so I wouldn't know if it's how he normally plays... for now though, I think he's being too jumpy voting one person, then a few hours or thereabouts later, he votes someone else... also, his back and forth thing with RTE looks to me like a) he's trying to make him look like mafia, or b) they're trying to distance themselves

2. Moon- never played with her before either, but at the beginning of the game, she possibly looked a little too closely at Len and Darthe's banter in my opinion... 

3. Ishy- his asking if Kae and Tress are dead yet, and then Tress ending up dead is bugging me... 

4. RTE- his back and forth with Peace looks like he's trying to distance himself from him, but Peace could be trying to make him look like mafia...

 

I think that what Ishy has said is bugging me the most as of right now, so...

 

vote Ishy

 

Cloud - probably town but...

Player is town - interesting.

Her reason for voting Ishy is interesting - it´s like she is making it up just so not to parroting others. Hm... could be nothing though.

 

 

 

 

Darthe, I can only speak for myself.  I haven't posted all of my thoughts on who is coming across as scummy.
 
I'll throw you another one.
 
Ishy is probably scum.
 
Oh...I can see the responses to that statement already.

 
Better question then the one I almost doled out.  Why on Earth are you doling out your reads like treats and without any form of evidence?  This is the same sort of thing tha got you on my radar.
 
Also @Ishy you never did reply to how you know Egwene is in the game and you implied that it was more than simple logic

My role PM provides me with certain info. I'm not allowed to elaborate further than that. I had to ask Basel if I was able to even say that much.

this interests me, and I'm considering removing my vote, but I'm also cautious about doing so because I remember in the WWII game Ithi said she received info because of her role, had some people convinced and then turned out to be mafia...

 

Considering removing her vote but...

 

possibly.... i'm not sure what to make of talya more than likely being made to vote for Kaylee... as Peace pointed out, there are a few possible reasons...

 

Possibly...

 

let's hope not... and I think that silence could be very hard to fake, but it is possible... 

 

Hard to fake? It´s just to be quiet.

 

I have to agree that Len's claim right now isn't looking right as of now.... from the information we've gathered about who is who, Len's claim is sticking out as being the least likely... I'm unsure about the Kaylee/Talya thing because as it's already been pointed out, it could either be mafia trying to make Kaylee seem suspicious, or they could be trying to make her look town... I'm starting to lean toward the second option, but I'm still unsure...

 

She is unsure.

 

I don't really trust Lenlo's claim....
vote Len....

 

Well, that was the reasons that most of us used so nothing strange with that.

 

 

So what I see is a player that rarely dare to take a stand for anything and thinks that Player look town. Let´s move on.

[Niniel]

Unfortunately I didn´t focus much on Player during my re-read so this is not a well made case but this were the things that I took notes of.

 

Cloud
i agree that Thom could be a double voter. The issue i have is why have it as a secret vote when it is following you around so obviously.
I know they arent always submittable via PM but those ones are usually more subtle, like the number voting just goes up.
Having your extravote follow you as anonymous is far from subtle so seems like it should be indipendantly movable to give some reason to be called anonymous rather than just your name twice.
Thats what i dont trust

 

First time he doubts Clouds claim. Well, at this time this was a good question.

 

Bloody hell. Dm broke on my phone. Could read but couldnt post

RztE mafia silencers imo wsit till someone else brings up the quiet person

also darthe. Yoy know better. 3rd party arent known by the mafia

 

This was a weird post. Mafia visits until someone brings up the quiet person? I have never heard of that before.

 

Tina i said that about RTEs post about looking for the mafia by seeing who mentioned his silencing first. In my experience the people who know try not to be the first to mention it.

Basel. That was exactly what i was going for. Im so glad you did that

 

Defends Kaylee and Kae.

 

Thanks. Ok first tiinker. He felt real and not like he was pushing a silenced person

Rand's post jumpes out. Feels like he is just ising it as a conviniant vote and doesnt actually care for the reason

now kae and kay.
Kaylee starts out pretty normal for me. At first i saw notthing in it.
Kae comes in with a post in light of your silencing that strikes me as odd. She set herself up nicely just to sit and watch as you were lynched without being able to speak. Asking for you to talk felt like a foormality rather than actually carung what yiu had to say.
Kaylee unvotes which is more of a town move imo.
Her reasons for unvoting are then explained . I think they are town cos she says she wont vote him till he speaks. If she knew he couldnt speak.it seems like a silly thing to say.
Kae chimes in. Scummy
Then kaylee comes in with this " It's definatley suspicious him not showing up after his play yesterday." thats a bit of a switch. But it still doesnt make sense unless she expects to lynch him before he can tell us about being silenced.
Her asking ishy to vote was scummy. Please comment on that kay
Kay comes back with more suspician but no vote

So after all that i think kae knew. Kaylee knowing doesnt make sense. She boxed herself in with almost no option of lynching RTE

i have one more thing to say but i wait for kaylee to explain her asking ishy to vote

 

Defends Kaylee.

 

 

Mainly today but i rememver some of.you last posts twinging.
I just woke up and what i read just pricked at me

goimg to the beach for a quick swim. We can continue this when i get back in about an hour

 

This quote is from the beginning of day 2. Talya had voted Kaylee. Later she claims being vote controlled. Talya wonders why Player is suspecting her and he says it´s because of her posts this day.

 

 

 

I wouldn't trust me neither, I don't trust anyone!

Cos you know your alignment and know you are mafia?

 

no I can't trust myself right now...simples! Bit of a stupid thing to say if I were mafia, you trying to set me up?

 

Like someone would say right out that she is mafia? This is before anyone asked if she was controlled.

 

Mainly today...now that is interesting, as I only did one post, maybe I'm a bit off today!

 

 

Yes. The last few days you bothered me but not really. Maybe it was sleeping on it but today you grate at me and i dont know why

 

He don´t knows why her only post bothers him. Is it because he know she has been controlled? I want to say yes but it would be rather foolish to have this conversation if he knew. Only if he and Talya are mafia it makes sense.

 

How can you not trust yourself?

 

 

 

Yes. The last few days you bothered me but not really. Maybe it was sleeping on it but today you grate at me and i dont know why

 

And yet you haven't said anything before now...hmmm! 

 

I'll turn the question on you, why do you think I would not trust myself?

 

 

Because of youre character

 

?

 

 

Because of youre character

 

This is where you lost me. What do you mean?

 

 

If you were eliada for example

 

Why would she claim Elaida? Later he says he thought about Verin.

 

Darthe. I agree that the pile up was fast. If he flips town ill look more closely at it

However he has had a bunch of fast pile ups on him all game. Its not the first one

 

This is after his long case about me and Lenlo working together.

[dapianoplay3r]

Lol

right first wsit is wait not visit

how do i defend kae in that post? I thought Kae was the silencer and Kaylee was the innocent bystander.

And the talya stuff. Iwas right therre was something odd. I just put it down as the wrrong thing

as for why would anyone claim eliada? Better claim than else. Eliada wasnt a darkfriend

[dapianoplay3r]

If ive missed anything let me know. Its hard to respond on my phone

[Niniel]

Sadly I didn´t look for Tiinker when I did my re-read since he looked town to me for a long time. The only thing that comes to my mind about him (except for his places in the vc´s) is that he said that he didn´t want to claim. Better take a better look at him later on. Let´s take a look at Kaylee instead. Many of the quotes have already been posted.

 

Cloud: are you saying you have reasons to vote Darthe? If so, what are they?

 

Time: if you’re more comfortable with the Lenlo lynch why is Rand the way to go? There’s enough time before deadline to go for who you think is mafia rather than just voting the longer train.

 

Rand: I'd like to hear from. I can understand the case on him, though not sure if I agree with it, would like to hear what he has to say.

 

Leno: from what I read the main reason for his train is his asking for a character claim. Correct? I also noticed his vote on Moon. Do you still feel she's the best way to go? If so, why is she a better candidate than yourself or Rand?

 

I have noticed that Kaylee do this a lot when she is scum. Asking a lot of questions. Makes her look like she is contributing but don´t take a stand. I often do this myself so it´s not like it´s a solid proof but I still want to bring it up.

 

 

Kaylee....

this is the only game I'm playing with him right now.... plus, I might not be on tomorrow because I have to go to the doctor to check my concussion... I find it better to vote for him now instead of tomorrow people complaining that they don't want the vote to go random and start telling people to switch their votes and me not being there to do so... while I'm more confident with a Lenlo lynch, Rand seems the way to go right now...

 

 

Sorry about the concussion. Still, if you felt Len was the better candidate your vote should be there. There is time. I understand about consolidating, however, if you feel his train is better and had placed your vote there the trains would have been even. With that in mind, anyone from either train, or from other trains/not voting, could come and vote for consolidation. It's always better to go for the one you think is scum.

 

Here she accuses Time for not voting who she thinks is scummy still she says that anyone can vote for consolidation. Seems like she is accusing a team mate but not very hard and I don´t think she brought it up again.

 

Lenlo/Rand: why shouldn't we lynch you?

Kae: what are your thoughts? You still around?

RTE: what are your thoughts? Deadline is today.

I haven't as yet placed a vote because I'm just not sure. I'd like to hear what they have to say about why they shouldn't be lynched. I'll vote to heee keep from going random, but prefer to lynch based on play.

 

More questions and doesn´t take a stand. She will vote to avoid a random lynch but would prefer a lynch based on play. But it doesn´t look like she is suspecting anyone and how could she come back in the end of the day and vote based on play if she isn´t most suspicious of the one with the longest train. If she thinks someone else looked scummier then she wouldn´t vote for a consolidation. I hope you understand what I mean.

 

Vote Darthe although I'd be willing to vote no lynch as well.

Darthe just seems off to me. Can't put my finger on it otherwise I'd have made a case already.

 

Votes Darthe after he claimed Nyn.

 

Len, you find Moon suspicious why not vote her? Also, I found the whole RTE/Peace back and forth telling. Getting emotional as he did coupled with his willingness to let the lynch go random makes me feel he's a good candidate. Vote RTE

 

Her first vote after RTE was silenced.

 

I honestly can't remember the case against her. I feel atm RTE is a good choice and would like to hear what he has to say.

 

 

Thanks for refreshimg my memory on Moon. Think I'll stick to my vote for now, though her posting does seem off. (gut feeling really, I've only played one other game with her)

 

 

 

I mean this in the nicest posdible way RTE but you would be one of the easiest to get into such a trap being new

still im ginna attempt to leave that for today abd see if they interact again or try stay distant

I see your point and would be willing to switch to Peace.

 

Here she agrees with Player.

 

I don't agree with the Ishy train either. Also TG, going over his posts I don't agree he hasn't contributed. I am curious who he thinks is scum though. Ishy: who do you think is scum?

 

I find it odd that after being so vocal yesterday we've yet to hear from RTE so for now I'll unvote until we've heard what he has to say.

 

Darthe: why Peace? Did I miss you reasoning somewhere?

 

And when she notice that there will be no RTE lynch she unvotes him. Here she questions why Darthe want to lynch Peace when she said that she could vote him in the quote above.

 

It's definatley suspicious him not showing up after his play yesterday.

 

Has made the townie move and unvoted but still won´t let it go.

 

Peace:

 

 

Moon has stood out to me as well. Too tired to look back now, will do so tomorrow after work.

Of course she does. She's the other potential train. How convenient.

Actually, I was suspicious of her before. I'll have to look back to find it tonight after work.

Took longer than I thought to get online, but here it is.

 

First off there have been contributing comments like this:

>

Wow.....

(granted most were made while she was modding and game and said as much. Course that doesn't mean you won't have opinions)

 

 

Then:

Allright, before the Lenlo train builds to a sure thing, here goes.

 

I tried to avoid a reveal until the last second to get as much info for town as possible as once I reveal I'm blocked from here on out (doc protect me?) and I think I've accomplished that.  I was hoping to get Ishy lynched and not reveal today at all so I could continue to be useful.  But, we can now look at who all has been defending Ishy and snag plenty of his scum mates that way.  That being said...

 

 

 

I'll say it one last time, Ishy is scum.  Check my case on him and vote him.  He is a legitimate train before the DL.

You know he is scum?

 

I am Moiraine.  I know Ishy is scum.

TG claims and give his results. Then moon votes below...

 

unvote vote Ishy
Rather than random

With a viewing you vote "rather than random"? That reasoning really pinged me.

 

 

Vote Moon

 

As Peace says - of course she votes Moon who is the other longer train.

[Niniel]

Let´s hear more from Moon. I get the feeling that Player, Kaylee and Time is working together. Hm... who to vote. I think I will start with Time.

 

Vote Time.

 

I will love to read all comments about my posts and see what conclusions you have made. It´s too bad that I´ve got so little about Tiinker and Player. Need to look back at that but right now I have used 2 hours on this so that will have to wait.

[dapianoplay3r]

Who were you looking at. Cos you cased me and kaylee but said you gadnt been focusing on us?

Also in my experience mafia players are quick to drop things that dont look like they will go anywhere. Just sayinh

[dapianoplay3r]

Oh tina

Voting time. Why not vote time tomorrow?

[dapianoplay3r]

Also when have i worked with time? I agree that ive defended kaylee but i dont tgink ive workef with time

[Niniel]

I think it´s more that Time has had you on her townie list.

 

Oh tina
Voting time. Why not vote time tomorrow?

 

Who do you think I should vote today?

[dapianoplay3r]

Moon. Moon would be good

im just waiting so i get the satisfaction of the hammer

[dapianoplay3r]

Im off to bed. Be back in the morning and ill case you tina

[Niniel]

Haven´t you already?

[peacesells]

Tina, I think you've made some strong points.  Not completely convincing..but stuff to think about.

 

Really perplexed though with your Time vote.  The way you went through all that work seems like a way to move people off the Moon vote. 

[Niniel]

No, I´m not trying to do that. I want to hear more. Moon has rarely been here all game, only dropped in for a quick vote. So of course she is a suspect. But that claim... Why claim Else? It´s so ridiculous. Yeh, I know - wifom. Also, Kaylee has gone after her and I think Kaylee might be mafia.

[peacesells]

No, I´m not trying to do that. I want to hear more. Moon has rarely been here all game, only dropped in for a quick vote. So of course she is a suspect. But that claim... Why claim Else? It´s so ridiculous. Yeh, I know - wifom. Also, Kaylee has gone after her and I think Kaylee might be mafia.

Looks like a slip to me.  She probably didn't realize what a bad claim it was.  I really really really really really...(did I say really?) doubt such a minor character like that has a town claim in this game. 

 

Do you think a mod would even think up Else while making this game? Bah. 

[Basel Gill]

Vote count:

Talya (1): Ishy

Moon (2): Kaylee, Peace

Time (1): Tina

Not voting (10): Time, Cloud, Darthe, Tiink, Moon, Rand, Roo, Player, Talya, RTE

DL is Mon. Feb. 4th at 9 PM EST. With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130204T21&p0=422

[Tiinker]

Vote Moon

That claim.

[Moon Sedai]

Phone mistype.

 

And I think Basel was making a joke

 

Because like Else I tend to be a little lazy when I have other stuff going on.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Phone mistype.

 

And I think Basel was making a joke

 

Because like Else I tend to be a little lazy when I have other stuff going on.

 

Ha ha ha right. So Basel all chose our characters specifically for us, giving some of us compliments while telling others what he really thinks of them?

 

This is just going really poorly for you. Based on posts like this and some very nice casings against you, Vote Moon.

[Moon Sedai]

Lyle he that I asked for something without a lot of work required.

My game started at the same time as this.one Ans I really wouldn't have had the energy to he Mafia and run Mafia at the same time.