[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt - GAME OVER!

[Gabriel Kross]

What is with all the fkkn reveals.

 

Christ.

 

Mock outrage on reveals, as he gathers a list of NK targets. Need I say more?

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry, I should have caught your hints. Even tho Ingtar ends up being a Darkfriend, he does let Rand and company escape. So I'm gonna go out on a bit of a limb here, and change my guess to I can't Neighborize any powerful town roles. So I'm gonna trust you, Des, and Unvote, Vote Not Bob

Obviously, if he flips town you go tomorrow. :shrugs:

 

Eh, Nol was tunneling hard enough on me that I might have had to reveal anyways. Plus there is "that thing" between me and you every mafia game where we always feel the other is scummy lol.

 

And yes, I have already stated that if I am wrong about NotBob, I will not put up any fight whatsoever tomorrow

 

Sorry, I didn't do my reread yet, well unvote vote desp

 

Dude, what's up with your cop play this game? You've offered very little in the way of actual scumhunting, and most of your posts have been fluff and talk about your avatar. Now you're not even really keeping up?

 

I would say that the Cop has the most responsibility of staying informed of everything that happens in thread so that they can make good decisions about who to target.

 

So did you miss my reveal?

 

The inactives are the worst enemy of town!

 

This.

 

Kaea, could you maybe not be able to neighborize male characters? Given your character it seems like maybe only female channelers would be neighborizable.

 

JLM, what did you think about my theory about the deaths of female channelers poss being connected to this theory?

 

And Kae, BG had already presented this as a possibility btw, and I had commented on it.

 

Also if the interest in lynching LZM arises again tomorrow I will risk the bomb possibility and hammer. I think he is mafia.

 

Why are you discounting the idea that he might be a mafia bomb? Do you know something we don't?

 

Looks to me like most if not all of the scum team is on Notbob

 

Unofficial Vote Count:

Des (4) - Nolder, notbob, Shinori, GF

LZM (2) - dice, JLM,

EP (1) - LZM

notbob (5) - lulz, Desp, Kae, Nightstrike, EP

 

Not Voting (3): Niel

 

Deadline is Sunday, Sept. 30 @ 2PM CST. Takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

I believe this is correct.

 

First of all, do you STILL really think there's only one mafia team?

 

 

Second, since it's my opinion that there ARE separate mafia teams, there might very well easily be mafia on NotBob's train. My biggest suspects are Nightstrike and EP on there, Nightstrike cause he buddied up to me earlier and has in general just tried to go with the flow, and EP, cause well, he always seems kinda anti-town to me.

[hazelkrs1]

I'm going to say this loud and clear for GF's sake since apparently he's skimming-

 

 

 

I am the town Tracker, and I saw NotBob target GF last night. Almost POSITIVE he's mafia.

[LedZepMan]

What is with all the fkkn reveals.

 

Christ.

 

Mock outrage on reveals, as he gathers a list of NK targets. Need I say more?

 

If you have paid attention to any previous games you will notice i hate people revealing. Weather im town or scum, my stance on this is well known.

 

Nice try though McScumster

[hazelkrs1]

I'd rather someone reveal than half hint at role info or investigation results or something.

 

People can be held to reveals, it's a lot easier to weasel out of hints and cryptic suggestions

[hazelkrs1]

Since I have some free time anyways, I'm gonna go ahead and go back and show the stuff which made me think NotBob was scummy in the first place

[hazelkrs1]

I initially was somewhat suspicious of NotBob because I noticed how lurky he was being, but when going back to look at players that might be connected to Peace, he seemed to show up a lot, either posting right before or after him, or echoing the same sentiments from Peace

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/74059-advanced-wot-mafia-the-great-hunt-day-4/?do=findComment&comment=2527365

 

Both of their first posts of the game were within 8 minutes of each other

 

They posted next to each other during the spam about chinese characters, but I didn't think that was all that significant

 

I was thinking that if he was a symp, using the word symp at all was an attempt to hint towards being a symp to the mafia. Symp knows mafia, but mafia doesn't know symp, so if the symp was able to hint at the mafia, they might try to recruit him and get another player. So that being said, I think John Snow is a symp. vote John Snow

I agree. Vote John Snow

Not familiar with the source material at all.

 

Are we voting Snow for using the word symp?

 

Actually thought Lenlo's play stood out more.

 

These three posts are all next to each other, you can see it right here: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/74059-advanced-wot-mafia-the-great-hunt-day-4/page__st__80?do=findComment&comment=2530954

 

We already pointed out why it was scummy for Peace to egg Rand on a bit in his thinking, to get him to vote Mr. Snow first. Peace then jumps on the train, and NotBob shows up and asks if "we" are voting Snow for using the word symp. I thought it could be a minor slip, as in he was wondering why his teammate was voting him, AND it could also be NotBob trying to feign ignorance

 

Vote Lenlo

 

More then a little over defensive.

 

Pretty scummy bandwagon vote

 

Next post can be found 6 pages later-

 

Need to re-read.

 

Lot of action last night.

 

Which would make you expect to see his next post having some catch up thoughts of some kind, correct?

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/74059-advanced-wot-mafia-the-great-hunt-day-4/page__st__360?do=findComment&comment=2540771

 

Nope. NotBob and Peace show up last second to hop on the No Lynch train (with pretty much no other thoughts at all), after the deadline had just passed. Kinda convenient there.

 

Just want to point out here that after this I called NotBob out again for his lurkiness, and asked for him to give his thoughts on other matters. Here's his next post:

 

No one appears to have used anything on me at all. So I can't even prove my role as an absorber.

 

Mock outrage FTW!

 

Then we have

 

Nobody is interested in two deaths? That blows.

 

I think it was brought up yesterday that there might be more than one faction, and someone hinted that they wasted a vig shot.

 

Who hinted they had a Vig shot?

apparently that was a waste of a good one shot

 

Who said that again....

 

I took this as a hint but maybe just speculating.

 

I did too but didn't want to guide your reply.

No i was talking about john not skipping a phase cos we thought it was a waste apparently

 

OK.

 

That makes sense as well.

Day two vote with no reasoning besides i dont trust him is weak. Even if he was on the lenlo train it means nothing since lenlo revealed.

 

I remember someone asking where sorcha had run off to. That is the person we should be paying attention to

 

Who was that?

 

All kinds of posts where he was trying to get town to scurry after other folks, without bothering to find the people who said stuff himself, so he didn't look like he was outright fos'ing anyone, just throwing out random lazy comments...

 

Around this time is when I laid out my case on Peace, and soon after folks start voting him. NotBob joins the fray, but here's his vote post:

 

Vote Peacesells

 

LZM also high on my list for the self vote but for now Peace stinks the most.

 

LOA tomorrow until the later hours.

 

Vote's for Peace, but also includes LZM as a candidate for him to switch back to. Scum bussing 101: try to leave yourself an out.

 

NotBob then just straight up DISAPPEARS after Peace gets lynched. His next post is 5 days and 17 pages later

 

Where to begin?

 

Vote LZM.

 

Have to return to the self voter and see if he really wants to live.

 

... to put his vote back on LZM.

 

After this, NotBob ends up having a little run in with Darthe, thinking Darthe hasn't been casing anyone, even tho Darthe had been actively casing LZM and EP. Seems like NotBob was just trying to latch on to an opportunity to make someone already on the hot seat look scummier

 

And THEN there's this: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/74059-advanced-wot-mafia-the-great-hunt-day-4/page__st__1120?do=findComment&comment=2567502

 

Kae is worried about getting enough votes to prevent a random, and NotBob comes in all non chalant about the prospect of a random lynch, and appears obstinate in his refusal to move his vote from LZM to Darthe to prevent one. It's not even that NotBob had been convinced Darthe was town so didn't want to vote him, he just said he felt LZM was a better candidate and wasn't willing to vote Darthe to consolidate.

 

He finally moves his vote 7 minutes till the deadline, but acts all cocky and swaggeriffic about it when he does.

 

I found this extremely scummy, and this exchange is exactly what led me to tracking NotBob last night.

 

Now, I just want to say here that I had been fos'ing NotBob multiple times throughout the game, yet he had never once actually responded to anything I had ever brought up. Well, he FINALLY chooses to respond to something I said here:

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe

 

If you want you really have the revenge factor. Please kill LZM or Nolder.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Uh huh. I really hope Darthe targets you with the kill, you sir are teh scummy.

 

Also funny that he chooses LZM and Nol. LZM cause your team prob wants the bomb taken out without one of you dying, and Nol cause you prob think he's on a rival mafia team

 

I thought you were convinced LZM was a scum bomb but now you are changing your tune. I've avoided direct conflict with you mostly because most of your points come from the source material on which I cannot argue. If I had access to a NK you would be dead. Go figure.

 

The bolded is just complete and utter BS. I never ONCE made a point against NotBob that had anything to do with the source material. He was just trying to hide behind the flimsiest defense he could muster.

 

And I had never said I was convinced LZM was a scum bomb, I had included it as a possibility but I clearly had said I thought it more likely he was a town bomb. So, wrong on that point too.

 

And then the pretty bold and out there threat towards me? Funny he says he would kill me IF he had a NK, then just HAPPENS to claim odd night vig recently. Does no one else see the outright BS in this post, especially compared to his recent claim?

 

There was actually a little bit more, but I've got audit and plus I doubt many of you will actually read all of this

 

Either way, lynch NotBob. If he flips town, I'll happily do a jig on the way to the hangman's noose myself

[Nightstrike]

I went very much against the flow in at least 3 cases, namely John S, Darthe, and you. The recent 2 unvotes was because new info seemed to appear. I just happened to be active at such a time, that's all.

[hazelkrs1]

Hehe okay. I'll say this Nightstrike, I appreciate you at least posting a bit more even tho you're still a newer mafia player. Whether you end up being town or not, you've at least participated the whole way pretty much.

 

But that response wasn't that great lol. Trying to convince me you've gone against the flow? I think every one of those votes you listed was more of the bandwagon variety.

 

I don't mind the unvotes tho. Unvoting because of new info or a reveal isn't really scummy to me at all, it's at best a null tell

[Gabriel Kross]

What is with all the fkkn reveals.

 

Christ.

 

Mock outrage on reveals, as he gathers a list of NK targets. Need I say more?

 

If you have paid attention to any previous games you will notice i hate people revealing. Weather im town or scum, my stance on this is well known.

 

Nice try though McScumster

 

Which is a stupid stance, If you are about to get lynched as a town power role you don't just say well guy's it's been fun toodles, you share any info you might have including your role.

[hazelkrs1]

So let's check out your votes then shall we Nightstrike?

 

I don't think Snow slipped. I think he just commented on the game-related stuff that the mod said. Lenlo on the other hand seems to be very defensive, as people have pointed out. Vote Lenlo .

 

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Maybe we could try that. Vote no lynch .

 

In response to other people suggesting No Lynch

 

Vote Turin . He and EP seems to be provocative and vague. Doesn't seem like genuine scum hunting techniques to me. More like something that's disguised as it.

 

This one actually doesn't really reference other people's positions really. But the mention of EP comes back later, and your vote on Turin the same day he dies is a bit interesting.

 

Where to begin?

 

Vote LZM.

 

Have to return to the self voter and see if he really wants to live.

 

I've got no idea who's "off their meta". Several of you seem to think some are, so I may have to consider it. I think I must reconsider other things as well. I thought Darthe was likely a townie, but several vote him right now. I thought EP, LZM and Turin could be scummies. I was wrong about Turin, so I might be wrong about EP as well. EP and Turin argued about the same things at the same time. Maybe they were both right?. Darthe was voting LZM, and if Darthe's really a scummie (?), then maybe I shouldn't vote LZM. I don't know how naive I am saying that scum don't vote scum, but from what I have experienced they generally don't do it very often.

 

Yeah, I saw Darthe as more likely to be a townie before people voted him because of meta. I had Turin and EP down as likely scum, but Turin was town. I was also prepared to vote LZM at one point (during night phase, I think). That was because of the things Darthe mentioned, and that I'd also seen. I can go with my earlier assessments, since there seems to be a lack of consensus. I will Vote LZM .

 

I quoted NotBob cause I find it funny that one of the times you were "going against the flow", it was when you had followed NotBob's lead (you were the second vote on LZM after NotBob, Darthe had fos'd him but voted later), someone I find to be very scummy.

 

And he at least switched his vote to help consolidate. You were still on LZM when we barely secured a lynch that day.

 

And the way you talk about EP in that middle post is very troubling.

 

You fos EP and Turin, and vote Turin. He dies, and flips town. You then take that to mean that you might be wrong about EP...?

 

/still being ignored

 

maybe town has already lost and we're just waiting to see which scum win

If you're telling the truth, then you, Shinori and GF are townies. If you're not, then Shinori and/or GF might still be townies. The problem I saw (at one time, but I don't know) about GF was that he seemed to claim cop, and then modified his story. Is there any other type of cop in this game? Has GF been protected from the night actions, I wonder? Since GF isn't the usal cop (he isn't, right?), then maybe there are several versions on the theme? I don't know what to make of it.

 

GF claimed cop and then later said he wasn't exactly a cop which totally lines up with my role since I'm a "backup investigative role" and not a "backup cop"

Also I dunno why they didn't try to kill him before but I think they tried to kill him last night and Rand redirected the kill to himself and saved GF

 

Oh, this would have been a lot easier if some cop had come forth and given us some scummie's name. I'll take a risk and choose to believe your claim. Unvote . Vote Despothera .

 

First you lay out some faulty reasoning in the first post. Also, Nolder's claim has nothing to do with any investigation results on me or anything, so you believing his claim really should be no reason to vote me. Now, if you thought I was scummy, or agreed with Nol about some points on me, that would be one thing. But you've spent most of the game saying you had a town read on me.

 

Anyways, more of the bandwagoning type vote like I said

 

Yeah, I'll follow Sakaea and trust Despo. Unvote . Vote Notbob .

 

Underlined, once again.

 

_________________________________________________

 

 

So basically almost every one of your votes has been riding on the tails of someone else, except for your one on Turin which could have potentially been a way to try and "clear" EP and distance yourself if you knew he was poisoned

 

I got a bit more on you, one sec

[Gabriel Kross]

Why does everyone keep trying to connect me to other people? lol

[hazelkrs1]

One of the two (Sorcha) was killed in the sleep without a mark. Sorcha was Nynaeve. The killer is probably a dreamwalker or maybe Slayer. That idea probably won't help us much anyway.

 

I think we've probably made a couple of mistakes the first day. Too late doing anything about it now. I don't know how much info there is from day one. Day two seems little different from day one. I think GF probably told the truth. Gut feeling is pretty much all I have atm, and it doesn't tell me much. I have a townie feeling about peacesells, but ... I'll have to think some more. Sorry I'm not of much help.

 

In retrospect, this post does ping a bit, since Nightstrike not only puts forth that the killer is probably a Dreamwalker, but also supposes that it might be Slayer. At first I thought he was just throwing that out there as an honest idea, even tho it's very unlikely, but it might have been an attempt at keeping people off the trail of the Forsaken.

 

Good job, people. Despo knows his stuff. I hope there will be no more than one killed this night. GF will probably die. We won't get any more viewings then. That will be a challenge.

 

Thank you for that night. I feel like you just took us to a whole new level on the game /sarcssm

 

Nol

note comment was cos im one of those that keep notes on games. It was something i had written to nyself

 

I know I wasn't terribly helpful. I just wanted to point out Despo's skills. Besides, it can't be bad getting the post count up, considering the fate of Sorcha. Heh.

 

Posts fluff basically, buddies up to me, and Dap calls him out for it. He then says he's just trying to keep his post count up?

 

Yeah, that seems pretty scummy right there. I pointed this out before, but since I was making a case on Nightstrike I figured I'd bring this up again

 

Wait, do some think Despo is a scummie? He was the first to vote for peacesells, so ... I'm not getting that. Are you suggesting different teams? Or maybe it's not meant seriously?

 

This post seems like he's trying to bait the town, test the waters to see how many think I'm scummy before he votes me

[hazelkrs1]

Why does everyone keep trying to connect me to other people? lol

 

Not my fault, Nightstrike is the one that made that connection.

 

And I have been wary of you all game btw. But I've always had bigger fish to fry. Mebbe once we get NotBob lynched I can finally take a good hard look at you.

[Nightstrike]

Oh, your reasoning is flawed, and you seem to misremember the contexts of things. You also forgo the things that speaks in my favor (you left them out completely or misinterpret them). I'll make posts to comment on it. Hold on.

[Nightstrike]

 

So let's check out your votes then shall we Nightstrike?

I defended John S, and Darthe too. Let's look at them, indeed.

 

 

I don't think Snow slipped. I think he just commented on the game-related stuff that the mod said. Lenlo on the other hand seems to be very defensive, as people have pointed out. Vote Lenlo .

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You argued for Snow, didn't you? I argued against. In more than one post, if I recall correctly. Anyone who feels like taking a closer look, please check out all my posts, in the relevant contexts. More than that post discussing snow, and again, context. Read all of it in context.

 

 

Maybe we could try that. Vote no lynch .

 

In response to other people suggesting No Lynch

Several people seemed lost as to what to vote, and several people had voted. I wasn't the driving force behind it. I don't remember if you were or not. Will check up on that.

 

 

 

I've got no idea who's "off their meta". Several of you seem to think some are, so I may have to consider it. I think I must reconsider other things as well. I thought Darthe was likely a townie, but several vote him right now. I thought EP, LZM and Turin could be scummies. I was wrong about Turin, so I might be wrong about EP as well. EP and Turin argued about the same things at the same time. Maybe they were both right?. Darthe was voting LZM, and if Darthe's really a scummie (?), then maybe I shouldn't vote LZM. I don't know how naive I am saying that scum don't vote scum, but from what I have experienced they generally don't do it very often.

I didn't know if Darthe was behaving "off his meta", and I never even voted Darthe. I defended him long before that, and you're omitting stuff.

 

 

 

Yeah, I saw Darthe as more likely to be a townie before people voted him because of meta. I had Turin and EP down as likely scum, but Turin was town. I was also prepared to vote LZM at one point (during night phase, I think). That was because of the things Darthe mentioned, and that I'd also seen. I can go with my earlier assessments, since there seems to be a lack of consensus. I will Vote LZM .

Exactly.

 

 

I quoted NotBob cause I find it funny that one of the times you were "going against the flow", it was when you had followed NotBob's lead (you were the second vote on LZM after NotBob, Darthe had fos'd him but voted later), someone I find to be very scummy.

When the flow went for voteing Darthe, who I had defended as townish (and those were post you now have omitted completely), then I voted differently. I didn't vote with the flow, and I didn't jump on Darthe as scum. Who initiated that, btw? Was it you or Nolder? Who said "l dont like that you have him down for town, when I have him as scum", or something quite like that?

 

 

And he at least switched his vote to help consolidate. You were still on LZM when we barely secured a lynch that day.

If people hadn't been fixated on Darthee during large parts of 2 days and probably the night between, then we might have succeeded in lynching scum.

 

Why do you omit the posts that are most relevant in my favor? Pulling things out of context and screwing up the angle to suit your ideas of how things are?

[Nightstrike]

In retrospect, this post does ping a bit, since Nightstrike not only puts forth that the killer is probably a Dreamwalker, but also supposes that it might be Slayer. At first I thought he was just throwing that out there as an honest idea, even tho it's very unlikely, but it might have been an attempt at keeping people off the trail of the Forsaken.

Two lied sleeping and one was withhout a mark when the other waked up. Still dead. It's been mentioned in thee series that can happen when people die in t'a'r, so it's a valid assumption that the killer/killers werre either dreeamwalkers or someone else who can visit t'a'r. I simply said a dreamwalker or maybe slayer. someone elsee mentioned slayer wasn't mentioneed much in tgh, andd it does seem unlikely.

 

 

Wait, do some think Despo is a scummie? He was the first to vote for peacesells, so ... I'm not getting that. Are you suggesting different teams? Or maybe it's not meant seriously?

 

This post seems like he's trying to bait the town, test the waters to see how many think I'm scummy before he votes me

I think you're omitting a post again. Didn't I defend you further next post? I had already said I thought you had made a good job, and later I said I found it unlikely that you'd vote a team mate. Therefore I figured you most likely town. stop omitting stuff just because it doesnät fit your world view.

[hazelkrs1]

LOL it's called a case Nightstrike. I go through and post the comments and posts which pinged to me. Not every one of your comments pinged.

 

And I'm not saying I'm positive you're town. But you are def on my scumdar. Your reaction to my case on you however, is very telling.

 

"doesn't fit your world view"

 

Not gonna lie, thate made me laugh pretty hard

 

Anyways, I mainly started looking for stuff on you cause I had never sat down and actually cased you, I had mainly been going off of gut feeling and such. But when you said you had gone against the flow many times, I decided to go check on it, cause I remembered most of your votes as being very bandwagonish. And they were man, in that regard my case speaks for itself. Almost every time you voted for someone, you were deferring or referencing someone else's case on them. That aint goin against the flow bud.

 

The other stuff isn't necessarily conclusive, but I still thought it worth mentioning. Others can decided if it seems significant or not.

 

For now tho, my focus is still on NotBob's lynch. I'm pretty confident he'll flip scum, and after w/e happens we can see if new info comes to light. Hell, GF might have already viewed you and knows you're town for all I know.

[Nightstrike]

"The case" against Darthe (for instance) was built over two days, and you picked a post of mine out of context and argued wrongly because of what you omitted. If you wanna see if I wen't against the flow on Darthe, then you gotta see all my posts over those two days.

[Nolder]

Looks to me like most if not all of the scum team is on Notbob

 

Unofficial Vote Count:

Des (4) - Nolder, notbob, Shinori, GF

LZM (2) - dice, JLM,

EP (1) - LZM

notbob (5) - lulz, Desp, Kae, Nightstrike, EP

 

Not Voting (3): Niel

 

Deadline is Sunday, Sept. 30 @ 2PM CST. Takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

I believe this is correct.

 

First of all, do you STILL really think there's only one mafia team?

 

 

Second, since it's my opinion that there ARE separate mafia teams, there might very well easily be mafia on NotBob's train. My biggest suspects are Nightstrike and EP on there, Nightstrike cause he buddied up to me earlier and has in general just tried to go with the flow, and EP, cause well, he always seems kinda anti-town to me.

Looking at the number of people left there probably isn't two mafia teams unless there's only like 1-3 town left in the game which I don't think is the case

I believe Notbob's claim of odd night vig and you are scum

[Nightstrike]

What you omitted in your own case:

 

[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt (Day 4)

 

Posted by Nightstrike on 20 September 2012 - 04:55 PM in DM Mafia Games

I meant when Despo voted peace, who in fact turned out to be a scummie. Unless Despo is some solo scummie (Fain's probably solo, right?) or a whole other team of scum ... Although I suppose some Forsaken might have worked alone in the series. I find it unlikely that Despo was on a team with peace. If he's Fain, then maybe he shouldn't have been vocal in finding scum?

 

Maybe Turin can specify what he has for a case?

 

 

 

 

 

 

#2557753 [ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt (Day 4)

 

 

Posted by Nightstrike on 20 September 2012 - 04:49 PM in DM Mafia Games

I was addressing Turin. I don't know what he sees with Despo, since it seems unlikely he would have been the first to vote for the scum if he was scum himself.

 

Also the post before the one you saw as "testing the waters". If I'd tested it, then I could have gone with the flow and voted you later.

[Nolder]

Either way, lynch NotBob. If he flips town, I'll happily do a jig on the way to the hangman's noose myself

SO SCUMMY OMG

 

Why am I the only one that sees this

 

"Lynch Notbob and if I'm wrong I wont put up a fight tomorrow" = "Please just let me live one more day"

 

No town would ever LET themselves be lynched just because they were wrong about a lynch

In mafia you're bound to have mislynches almost every single game what makes this one special?

Des is just using any excuse to stay alive

Please lynch him now people

[LedZepMan]

What is with all the fkkn reveals.

 

Christ.

 

Mock outrage on reveals, as he gathers a list of NK targets. Need I say more?

 

If you have paid attention to any previous games you will notice i hate people revealing. Weather im town or scum, my stance on this is well known.

 

Nice try though McScumster

 

Which is a stupid stance, If you are about to get lynched as a town power role you don't just say well guy's it's been fun toodles, you share any info you might have including your role.

 

Which is a stupid stance. Revealing cuz you cant convince people to not lynch is an excuse weaker players use to stay alive.

 

Revealing does nothing but muddy the waters for town. Say you claim doc. Holy crap. Scum member A cc's. Doc gets lynched. So scum loses a member but the doc is gone and you cant trust anyones reveales. How about you use your head for something other than a meat shield for once and think. I dont trust a single persons reveal in this game. Neither should you.

[Nightstrike]

I'm thinking that Notbob might be right, too. Odd night vig kind of makes sense. Night 2 was the likely t'a'r incidenct, right? I've got to check up on that. And probably some other things also.

[Nightstrike]

Reply #20, and what John S said after seems interesting. Did Despo (who also said "this setup seems interesting") have some insight into multiple teams? Could he be Fain or, more unlikely, Slayer or someone else? Moridin? Lanfear? Slayer wasn't much in tgh, right, but maybe someone else?