Mat Cauthon

[Luckers]

Or at the least that is what evidence suggests. It'd certainly not definitive, we know that in Malkier the spouse of the ruler, becomes co-ruler, and Lan infers that's the case for most borderland nations (though Kandor is different).

[Muad Cheade]

It seems to me as though Malkier was the exception rather than the norm. Queen Ethinelle of Kandor referred to the wife of King Paitar of Arafel by her given name without any title attached. But to be honest, that could go either way I suppose.

[Vardar]

It may just be like England. It's up to the Queen/King if they elevate their spouse.

[XoMeltdownoX]

It may just be like England. It's up to the Queen/King if they elevate their spouse.

I do not believe that is the case in Britain.

[Vardar]

It may just be like England. It's up to the Queen/King if they elevate their spouse.

I do not believe that is the case in Britain.

 

She can designate her husband the King Consort. If she so wishes.

[XoMeltdownoX]

It may just be like England. It's up to the Queen/King if they elevate their spouse.

I do not believe that is the case in Britain.

 

She can designate her husband the King Consort. If she so wishes.

Prince Consort. iirc Queen Victoria was pretty put out about the fact that Prince Albert was not allowed to be King.

[Vardar]

It may just be like England. It's up to the Queen/King if they elevate their spouse.

I do not believe that is the case in Britain.

 

She can designate her husband the King Consort. If she so wishes.

Prince Consort. iirc Queen Victoria was pretty put out about the fact that Prince Albert was not allowed to be King.

 

He's a Prince already, but she can make him a King Consort, I'm not sure who said it's not allowed actually. I thought she didn't wish to share power.

[XoMeltdownoX]

It may just be like England. It's up to the Queen/King if they elevate their spouse.

I do not believe that is the case in Britain.

 

She can designate her husband the King Consort. If she so wishes.

Prince Consort. iirc Queen Victoria was pretty put out about the fact that Prince Albert was not allowed to be King.

 

He's a Prince already, but she can make him a King Consort, I'm not sure who said it's not allowed actually. I thought she didn't wish to share power.

Parliament bestows the title. In most respects Victoria did share her power.

 

King Consort (not aware of any in practice) and Prince Consort are titles. As opposed to prince consort which is what he is. In many monarchies the queen is essentially the queen consort. So this role reversal is fair play IMO. The consort does not stay in power after the King/Queen passes. The title goes to the eldest child (sometimes eldest son).

[Vardar]

It may just be like England. It's up to the Queen/King if they elevate their spouse.

I do not believe that is the case in Britain.

 

She can designate her husband the King Consort. If she so wishes.

Prince Consort. iirc Queen Victoria was pretty put out about the fact that Prince Albert was not allowed to be King.

 

He's a Prince already, but she can make him a King Consort, I'm not sure who said it's not allowed actually. I thought she didn't wish to share power.

Parliament bestows the title. In most respects Victoria did share her power.

 

King Consort (not aware of any in practice) and Prince Consort are titles. As opposed to prince consort which is what he is. In many monarchies the queen is essentially the queen consort. So this role reversal is fair play IMO. The consort does not stay in power after the King/Queen passes. The title goes to the eldest child (sometimes eldest son).

 

Yea but then he would become the King Father, like the Queen Mother.

[XoMeltdownoX]

It may just be like England. It's up to the Queen/King if they elevate their spouse.

I do not believe that is the case in Britain.

 

She can designate her husband the King Consort. If she so wishes.

Prince Consort. iirc Queen Victoria was pretty put out about the fact that Prince Albert was not allowed to be King.

 

He's a Prince already, but she can make him a King Consort, I'm not sure who said it's not allowed actually. I thought she didn't wish to share power.

Parliament bestows the title. In most respects Victoria did share her power.

 

King Consort (not aware of any in practice) and Prince Consort are titles. As opposed to prince consort which is what he is. In many monarchies the queen is essentially the queen consort. So this role reversal is fair play IMO. The consort does not stay in power after the King/Queen passes. The title goes to the eldest child (sometimes eldest son).

 

Yea but then he would become the King Father, like the Queen Mother.

Exactly

[Neophyte]

Didn't Faile say outright in one of her POV's that married rulers of Saldaea are co-rulers, not consorts? I'm pretty sure I remember that ... I'll see if I can find it.

[Vardar]

Didn't Faile say outright in one of her POV's that married rulers of Saldaea are co-rulers, not consorts? I'm pretty sure I remember that ... I'll see if I can find it.

 

I know one of the Borderlander POVs said it outright. The one chick (forgive me I'm horrible with names) said Tenobia wouldn't marry because her man had to be perfect and she didn't want to share power.

[Neophyte]

Didn't Faile say outright in one of her POV's that married rulers of Saldaea are co-rulers, not consorts? I'm pretty sure I remember that ... I'll see if I can find it.

 

I know one of the Borderlander POVs said it outright. The one chick (forgive me I'm horrible with names) said Tenobia wouldn't marry because her man had to be perfect and she didn't want to share power.

 

That would have been Ethenielle, in the Prologue of TPoD ... I'm pretty sure Faile said it too, in the context of some statement like "We're not like these crazy southerners." But anyway ... I'm pretty sure Perrin would be King and co-ruler of Saldaea if Tenobia and Davram both predecease Faile.

[Vardar]

Didn't Faile say outright in one of her POV's that married rulers of Saldaea are co-rulers, not consorts? I'm pretty sure I remember that ... I'll see if I can find it.

 

I know one of the Borderlander POVs said it outright. The one chick (forgive me I'm horrible with names) said Tenobia wouldn't marry because her man had to be perfect and she didn't want to share power.

 

That would have been Ethenielle, in the Prologue of TPoD ... I'm pretty sure Faile said it too, in the context of some statement like "We're not like these crazy southerners." But anyway ... I'm pretty sure Perrin would be King and co-ruler of Saldaea if Tenobia and Davram both predecease Faile.

 

Thanks, I may actually remember that name now.

[DrZippy]

I think there's a chance that Olver either saves or avenges Mat in the last book.

That is a fantastic idea. The damn kid has been hanging around a lot, and besides coming up with the entry to where Moiraine was kept, he hasn't done much for his amount of face time.

 

Also, it's hilarious how far afield a thread can go from it's original topic.

[Woolheaded]

I think there's a chance that Olver either saves or avenges Mat in the last book.

That is a fantastic idea. The damn kid has been hanging around a lot, and besides coming up with the entry to where Moiraine was kept, he hasn't done much for his amount of face time.

 

Also, it's hilarious how far afield a thread can go from it's original topic.

I've been noticing this more and more lately. A thread starter topic is relatively "answered" and or thoroughly discussed on pages 1-2 and then 3 and onward is about anything else related or that happened to be brought up. It makes it a pain to find threads again because the titles are way different than you expect.

[Luckers]

I think there's a chance that Olver either saves or avenges Mat in the last book.

That is a fantastic idea. The damn kid has been hanging around a lot, and besides coming up with the entry to where Moiraine was kept, he hasn't done much for his amount of face time.

 

Also, it's hilarious how far afield a thread can go from it's original topic.

I've been noticing this more and more lately. A thread starter topic is relatively "answered" and or thoroughly discussed on pages 1-2 and then 3 and onward is about anything else related or that happened to be brought up. It makes it a pain to find threads again because the titles are way different than you expect.

 

Welcome to the inter-book void. :-)

[DaoineSidhe]

Jumping a little farther afield.. just curious: does activity on DM increase during the inter-book void (people needing some WoT fix), or is it heavier during release times (more publicity for WoT in general)?

[Luckers]

Jumping a little farther afield.. just curious: does activity on DM increase during the inter-book void (people needing some WoT fix), or is it heavier during release times (more publicity for WoT in general)?

 

No, traffic is always MUCH higher around the releases. The posts and threads are usually more interesting in the void--a lot more detailed information and fans who know what they're talking about, as opposed to the casual fans that come to play with us around a release.

[Maleshub]

Currently reading The Great Hunt; and I came across this quote in chapter 33 "A Message from the Dark"

 

Mat swept a low bow, and his voice was heavy with sarcasm. "At once, my Lord. As my Lord wishes. Shall I carry your banner, my Lord?" He started back for the manor, his grumbles fading away. "Now I have to limp. Next it'll be a broken neck, or ..."

 

This is Mat talking to Rand sarcastically about him playing the role of Rand's servant in Barthanes' palace.

 

This had me wondering. Would Mat show up in the Last Battle with the Horn of Valere and the Dragon's Banner? The Banner is somehow connected to the Banner; and if so, Mat is the one that will sound the Horn in TG. Is Mat heading to Ebou Dar with the Horn of Valere and the Dragon's Banner with him. Will he bind Fortuona to Rand by leading her armies in TG under the Dragon's Banner?

 

From memory, Artur Hawkwing refers to Perrin as "Bannerman" at the end of TGH. But if the HoV and Banner are linked, then Perrin would have to be with Mat; or Mat would take the Banner on his own. And Perrin's Bannerman role would be limited to Falme.

 

Has this been discussed before? If so, where?

[thisguy]

Currently reading The Great Hunt; and I came across this quote in chapter 33 "A Message from the Dark"

 

Mat swept a low bow, and his voice was heavy with sarcasm. "At once, my Lord. As my Lord wishes. Shall I carry your banner, my Lord?" He started back for the manor, his grumbles fading away. "Now I have to limp. Next it'll be a broken neck, or ..."

 

This is Mat talking to Rand sarcastically about him playing the role of Rand's servant in Barthanes' palace.

 

This had me wondering. Would Mat show up in the Last Battle with the Horn of Valere and the Dragon's Banner? The Banner is somehow connected to the Banner; and if so, Mat is the one that will sound the Horn in TG. Is Mat heading to Ebou Dar with the Horn of Valere and the Dragon's Banner with him. Will he bind Fortuona to Rand by leading her armies in TG under the Dragon's Banner?

 

From memory, Artur Hawkwing refers to Perrin as "Bannerman" at the end of TGH. But if the HoV and Banner are linked, then Perrin would have to be with Mat; or Mat would take the Banner on his own. And Perrin's Bannerman role would be limited to Falme.

 

Has this been discussed before? If so, where?

I'm not sure - if you take the horn blowing scene as foreshadowing, Perrin will be carrying the Banner. I hear what you're saying about Perrin would have to be with Matt - but, remember, the text constantly says that the three are stronger together. In LoC, Min comments that when Perrin shows up the fireflies she sees around Rand are holding their own against the darkness around him. They all need to be together at some point, I think.

 

I know there was some talk somewhat related about this somewhere - sorry I can't be more helpful.

[David Selig]

Didn't Faile say outright in one of her POV's that married rulers of Saldaea are co-rulers, not consorts? I'm pretty sure I remember that ... I'll see if I can find it.

You are probably thinking of this mention in the entry about Saldaea in the Glossary of ToM - "The husband or wife of a Saldaen ruler is not simply a consort, but an almost co-equal ruler".

[Neophyte]

Didn't Faile say outright in one of her POV's that married rulers of Saldaea are co-rulers, not consorts? I'm pretty sure I remember that ... I'll see if I can find it.

You are probably thinking of this mention in the entry about Saldaea in the Glossary of ToM - "The husband or wife of a Saldaen ruler is not simply a consort, but an almost co-equal ruler".

 

No, I remember it from before ToM came out - and I remember Faile being a little snarky about the southerners and their marriage habits.

 

That's ok though. The quote you've supplied provides support to the point I was making, so thanks!

[matisawesome]

Fenris could be a darkhound cause the wolves told perrin that darkhounds were evil wolves but mat is also a fox in some prophicies who could that represent

[FarShainMael]

Fenris could be a darkhound cause the wolves told perrin that darkhounds were evil wolves but mat is also a fox in some prophicies who could that represent

 

The Aelfinn called him 'trickster', and foxes are proverbially cunning, so perhaps it's Loki..

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster_god