Final Fantasy ADVANCED GAME OVER, TOWN WINS!

[peacesells]

Darthe and I are not masons. And to be honest I don't see how our flips vet thee other either. I think it's a clue but would take more for actual vetting.

[AndrewLee]

I feel that the Rand vote was a little out of nowhere. And Cosmicpanda's reasoning didn't feel right to me either, especially when compared to the scuminess Peace and Darthe (Darthe WAY more than Peace lately) have been showing. Think you could spell it out for me Panda? 'Cause I guess what I see as Mafia behavior, others might not, and I could be missing something obvious... I might as well be new to Mafia, it's been so long since my last game. (Years)

 

So, just to confirm, you're happy with Rand's play, and you think he's town?

 

How are Peace and Darthe scummy? They don't seem to be trying to lynch town. All Darthe's doing is trying to confirm Peace. He's tripped up all over himself, but I read that as him being new.

 

Thisis how I play mafia, btw.

 

Nice link! Not a lot that I didn't already know (maybe new was a tad too strong a word) but I did learn what the heck breadcrumbing meant.

 

As for Rand, I'm not sure what his play /is/, other than being quiet, and that weird 4 minutes where he posted as many times just to up his count. That's basically all I've got on him in my notes. Quiet. Who knows if he's town? I /do/ think Peace and Darthe stand out more. Is Darthe new to Mafia? I didn't know this if he is, as I've been gone for a year or two, but I DO know he seems to be trying to protect Peace, which has always made the one being protected even more suspicious to me, and his arguments don't seem to make very much sense. Or at least, I'm not seeing the sense-making of it. Also- how likely is it that Peace and Darth would have both have roles like that? They seem kind of powerful for their to be TWO. *shrug*

 

I've got 10 'til Midnight here, so I'm too tired/unfocused to go searching past posts for something right now, but I'll try to do that tomorrow morning, see if I can't find something to help me explain better.

[hazelkrs1]

Hey guys, I read up on most of the thread last night, lemme catch up on the last 5-6 pages and I'll share my thoughts. Dunno if it's been announced yet, but I'm replacing Soy

[AndrewLee]

What is with all the SC folks here at DM?

[peacesells]

Andrew seems hesitant to point out what he thinks is scummy about my play. In fact there seems to be a lot of piling on without facts.

[RandA lThor]

OK, so far, the scummiest thing I have seen in this game, is that Darthe continues to try to connect him with Peace after Peace repeatedly says that it could be fake. Darthe says that this would be why we should lynch him first, but this definitely seems like he wants people to think he is town too much. If people do try to lynch him, one of his teammates will probably try and step in to save him. I am going to vote Darthe

[AndrewLee]

Andrew seems hesitant to point out what he thinks is scummy about my play. In fact there seems to be a lot of piling on without facts.

 

How often are votes in Mafia made with 'facts' unless someone slips up or the voter has a nice informative role? My opinion is that you're most likely Mafia and it comes from my re-reading of the thread a couple of days ago, and I put the reasoning in the same post that I voted for you in. :) I didn't feel I needed to add anything to it, but I guess I really should skim pages 1-35 again and then fully re-read page 36 and up with Darthe's claim. Right now I'm too tired.

 

I'll be happy to add any more I find (if there is anything) tomorrow morning after I've sucked down something caffeinated.

[peacesells]

Andrew seems hesitant to point out what he thinks is scummy about my play. In fact there seems to be a lot of piling on without facts.

 

How often are votes in Mafia made with 'facts' unless someone slips up or the voter has a nice informative role? My opinion is that you're most likely Mafia and it comes from my re-reading of the thread a couple of days ago, and I put the reasoning in the same post that I voted for you in. :) I didn't feel I needed to add anything to it, but I guess I really should skim pages 1-35 again and then fully re-read page 36 and up with Darthe's claim. Right now I'm too tired.

 

I'll be happy to add any more I find (if there is anything) tomorrow morning after I've sucked down something caffeinated.

 

My point was that you and others have said that I've played scummy yet site no dialog or reasoning of mine that is scummy. It's become a fad to say Peace is scummy and everyone seems to be content to wear saggy jeans no matter how idiotic is looks to me.

[hazelkrs1]

Well, I initially was going to do the whole multiquote thingy, but since I'm just now joining I'll just go for the easier route and sum up my feelings.

 

First of all, there was def some strangeness when everyone started reacting to Ithi's breadcrumbs. It was pretty obvious what she was implying, yet there was a surplus of both mafia vets (Mynd, Panda, Maw) and some new faces (Darthe, Rand, Peace) that just completely mishandled the situation and drew my attention from the get go. Even after a quick reread, it still seems strange that so many people kept tripping up on what she was saying.

 

Darthe: He was prob the second biggest defender of EP day 1, yet also jumped off Ithi's wagon as soon as it looked like the tide might be turning. Since then his play has started to seem more townie to me, but his faulty logic and "with me or against me" attitude about his idea of vetting Peace have really irked me. Not because it pinged, but more cause it was just dumb to reveal his role just to try and bail out Peace. He's acting like his role is no big deal, but had he stayed hidden and found his target he could have been a huge help for the town. Now, not so much.

 

Peace: He also kinda pissed me off by revealing for pretty much no reason, but honestly of the three new faces that I saw going after Ithi day 1, he's done the most to help clear his image somewhat imo. Especially for pointing out that Darthe's plan is silly and flawed, and by showing that he does not want Darthe to link himself to him. I of course might be slightly biased however, being a huge Megadeth fan myself

 

Rand: Of the three newbloods (to me at least), his play is by far the most scummy after catching up. He was much more subtle when attacking Ithi, and also seemed to sway allegiances very quickly. Add to that his tendency to try and post without saying much at all, just so he could then avoid attention by not being inactive, reeks to high hell. Townies should not be doing just what is needed to try and escape attention, a good townie will willingly stick their neck out on the line if they think it can help catch scum. Rand seems like he'd much rather fade into the background.

 

Maw: If he hadn't asked to be replaced, he prob would have gotten my vote today. Very weak reasoning for all of his votes, and blatant bandwagoning at that, as well as the sudden pop-in when his activity was being called into question, all led me to believe something fishy was going on, but now it would prob be better to wait and see how Jack plays the character/role. After all, there's pretty much no good course of action for when someone calls you out for activity. Respond too soon, and it looks fishy, but ignore it and everyone thinks you're trying to go under the radar. Maw does seem to get caught in the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing a lot, so I could see him getting frustrated as a townie and asking to be replaced.

 

Panda: Prob had the biggest slip of all the experienced players when he asked why anyone would vote for someone other than that they thought that person was mafia.

That being said, it does seem like he might have been drinking at the time (or trying to have us believe he was drinking), so maybe it was an honest mistake. Still, I'm keeping an eye on him.

 

Mynd: Besides the fact that he pretty much made himself look terribly scummy by basically being the biggest defender of EP that day (which is odd since most of the time he'd be quicker to hang out newbies to dry than risk his neck for 'em), he also chose such a strange angle to defend EP on. Source knowledge? Really?

 

Let's just go ahead and forego the fact that EP came up with a pretty awful fake claim, and then didn't know one of the major villains of one of the games he professed himself to be an expert on, which no offense, does make his "FF expert" claim look much more humorous in retrospect. More importantly, as Jack so eloquently pointed out, this is a MAFIA game, not a FF game, and source knowledge might not really give anyone ANY type of edge that wikipedia couldn't make up for. Mynd knows this, and has shredded the idea of defending someone because of source knowledge before, so why should he use that tack in this case?

 

Then when you add to that the fact that all of a sudden EP starts railing against Mynd, and Mynd eventually hammers EP, and it starts looking more and more likely that it was a bus job, and that they coordinated exactly how Mynd would bus EP to try and look as clean as possible. Maybe even the weaksauce fake claim was a part of that plan.

 

Add in the fact that Mynd seems much less aggressive this game, when you can normally count on him to be aggressive even when being heavily FOS'd, and it really starts looking like Mynd might be one of the best candidates to put more pressure on today.

 

There are others that have pinged me so far, but for now Mynd looks like the best choice, but I'd just as soon switch to Rand if that train caught some steam

[hazelkrs1]

Ahhhh, good 'ol mafia WoT's

[AndrewLee]

Seriously. And NONE of it is quoted.

 

Well done sir, well done.

[hazelkrs1]

What is with all the SC folks here at DM?

 

Might have something to do with the fact that RJ himself was from SC...

 

/shrug

 

OK, so far, the scummiest thing I have seen in this game, is that Darthe continues to try to connect him with Peace after Peace repeatedly says that it could be fake. Darthe says that this would be why we should lynch him first, but this definitely seems like he wants people to think he is town too much. If people do try to lynch him, one of his teammates will probably try and step in to save him. I am going to vote Darthe

 

Very opportunistic vote here, looks like he's just trying to divert attention to who he thinks would be easiest to divert it to. Major ping.

[hazelkrs1]

Seriously. And NONE of it is quoted.

 

Well done sir, well done.

 

Between Red and Darthe, I think we got the multiquote style WoT's covered

 

Bout to start audit btw, be back in an hour or so

[Myndrunner]

Not that any of these are an excuse, but here are the reasons why I have been less active in this game - which will change immediately.

 

1) I am knee deep in modding a heavily roled Avengers game on MyndJack of which a few of you are still in. Aside from the actual time consumption that making sure every T is crossed and I is dotted, I also have to make sure I separate my focus on that game from my read on the players in this game. Just because someone is Captain American in my game doesn't mean they are town in this one.

 

2) The shade of my heart is in town from Chicago and she can be....convincing...when she demands my attention.

 

3) I host an online radio show which is currently knee deep in a listener based karaoke contest, which also requires my creative energy. Please check us out, the results of our Top 12 singing broadway week will be announced Thursday night. www.alldigitalradio.com

 

4) I received a disturbing email from a veteran mafia player that I hold in high regard. I have chosen to ignore it, but I found it jarring. If this player turns out to be scum and tried to pull a Levity on me, I will have lost a lot of esteem for this player. This is just a game. Anything done in this game is for gameplay purposes only.

 

Now then, Maw getting pressure then backing out is significant. I also think it interesting how Rand has been like a butterfly this game, but now that attention is coming his way, his posts have become erratic.

 

If you want a reason to not vote me, I am a mason with one other player. I will leave it up to that player to speak for me if deemed necessary, but I'd rather that player remain anonymous.

[Myndrunner]

I also want to reiterate that had I been scum with EP, I would never have defended him like I did. I'll freely admit that I took his defense but not because I didn't think he was scum so much as I was questioning his accusers. Save a finder's reveal, I've rarely seen a lynch go so fast, but when he "revealed" as Marcus, that convinced me he was lying.

 

EP was boasting about his extensive FF knowledge. I'm sure many of us know a lot about the series. Me personally, I am stronger in the latter games than the former, but still EP was being....well...EP about how obsessive he was about it. It was about that time that people began to close in on him and it appeared to me that he was being lynched for some rather flimsey reasons with the real reason being to get rid of a player who not only professes his FF knowledge but is pretty vocal about it.

 

Besides, are we really that inept at this game that we are going to just blindly follow a few select players without questioning their reasons? I see more players making cases now, but at the time, everyone was still in this "i'll vote EP as long as it ain't me" mode which typically hands the game over to the scum. In this case, we were lucky.

[peacesells]

What is with all the SC folks here at DM?

 

Might have something to do with the fact that RJ himself was from SC...

 

/shrug

 

OK, so far, the scummiest thing I have seen in this game, is that Darthe continues to try to connect him with Peace after Peace repeatedly says that it could be fake. Darthe says that this would be why we should lynch him first, but this definitely seems like he wants people to think he is town too much. If people do try to lynch him, one of his teammates will probably try and step in to save him. I am going to vote Darthe

 

Very opportunistic vote here, looks like he's just trying to divert attention to who he thinks would be easiest to divert it to. Major ping.

 

This vote struck me as odd in a different way. If I were scum Rand...I would vote for me (Peace.) It's the biggest of the 2 trains so far. Or even the Mynd train. Does he know we are both innocent and wants to stay off our final vote counts?

 

Now the question is what does his vote mean for town Rand? I'm not coming up with an explanation here but I'm sure someone can.

 

Mynd came out with a mason claim. So I'm tempted to unvote Mynd and vote Rand. Just have to sit on it awhile and think Mynd's comments through. Al ot of his post could have been a sympathy ploy and I wouldn't put it past him. After all, he did say in that same post that what is posted in game is just game play.

 

Mynd is an astute student of human emotion and thinking. He can be very manipulative and is often successful. He lays ground work in small doses. Like going from strong defending of EP during the day phase to distancing on the night phase. The night phase is key cause he knows the switch is scummy..but with it being at night there can be no votes for him. By the time day phase comes around the scumminess has dissipated somewhat and he can start working on his next target. He's done that this game.

 

Now this whole sympathy ploy mixed with the mason claim kinda brings it full circle. Potentially very manipulative imo. Something I have to think about.

 

Of course..Rand and Mynd could both be scum.

[cosmicpanda]

Panda: Prob had the biggest slip of all the experienced players when he asked why anyone would vote for someone other than that they thought that person was mafia.

That being said, it does seem like he might have been drinking at the time (or trying to have us believe he was drinking), so maybe it was an honest mistake. Still, I'm keeping an eye on him.

 

I'm sorry, what? I remember the drunkness, but not the thing you say I did.

[hazelkrs1]

@Mynd: well, good to know my vote helped to bring some more outta ya I tell you what: tell me what you mean by "pulling a Levity" and I'll go ahead and switch my vote to Rand. I would still just prefer your partner reveal so there's less up in the air, but for now that's all I need

 

@Peace: Honestly the train on you has lost it's momentum, between Ithi backing off of you and Darthe uberdefending you I doubt you'll get lynched today. Since Darthe has drawn more attention to himself with his whole bizarre faulty plan, it's easily conceivable that scum Rand would vote for Darthe instead of you.

[hazelkrs1]

Panda: Prob had the biggest slip of all the experienced players when he asked why anyone would vote for someone other than that they thought that person was mafia.

That being said, it does seem like he might have been drinking at the time (or trying to have us believe he was drinking), so maybe it was an honest mistake. Still, I'm keeping an eye on him.

 

I'm sorry, what? I remember the drunkness, but not the thing you say I did.

 

Well I went back to look, I could be mistaken

 

I claimed the FF Chapter of my character with the understanding that it was vague enough to not count as a reveal.

 

Sooo... why even bother?

 

You say I am mafia, or you believe me to be Mafia? Please clarify.

 

lol

 

unvote, vote: Ithi

 

/drunk but serious

 

The first post where you laughed at Ithi for asking that question, and also referenced being drunk

 

I don't get what the difference would be.

 

I think this might be what threw me off possibly, Tiinker said this right after you

 

Pandy - do you also believe me to *be Mafia?

 

Yup, I think you're mafia. Town would have no reason to twist words and pick on EP.

 

Might be semantics, but here you're accusing Ithi of twisting words when in actuality all she was trying to do was clarify EP's stance so she could try and trap him. Maybe you didn't see the LD hints being dropped at that point... blame it on the ah ah ah ahhh ah ah alcohol

 

oh, well, whatever it was

 

/still a bit drunk

 

Oh wait maybe you did...

 

(that's not what this post was referencing, but you did seem kinda confooslead at the time)

[Ithillian Turambar]

It was Peace who said that ... made me laugh lol

[RandA lThor]

I voted for Darthe because I thought that the train on Peace was dumb and for little reason. Darthe seemed to be trying to defend Peace too much to seem town when he got lynched. So I voted for him.

[hazelkrs1]

Eh I guess Mynd isn't gonna humor me

 

Unvote, Vote Rand

 

Rand, your last post didn't exactly wow me I must say. Seems like you're trying to oversimplify the case on Darthe to help justify your vote on him. I mean, it would be one thing if you had FOS'd him a while ago or something. But the timing, it just seems too convenient. Maybe if you go a little further in explaining why you think Darthe is a good choice for a lynch today. Right now Darthe seems at worst a misguided townie.

 

Convince me.

 

/Usual Suspected

[RandA lThor]

Short and simple, am on my phone. If Darthe was a misguided townie, he would have stopped telling people to lynch him after Peace told him what was going on.

[peacesells]

Short and simple, am on my phone. If Darthe was a misguided townie, he would have stopped telling people to lynch him after Peace told him what was going on.

 

Why? Why would scum vehemently offer to have themselves lynched?

 

Rand..you are getting scummier by the post.

[RandA lThor]

reverse psychology, we tend to not vote for people who are oike that becayse fhey may want to get pynched.