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Sakaea

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Tiinker Veteran

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I honestly don't understand what opportunity you've offered us. You keep saying that your death vets Peace so what do you want us to do? Lynch you? So we lose a town and get a supposedly vetted Peace who can just get NK'd the night after? What opportunity?

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Darthe Spam Master

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Perhaps but I think the doc will protect the other one if that is the towns decision. I am proposing to peace that we work together today. To the town in general I am proposing trust my play for the day. If either peace or I get NK'd then the flip with role included should help the validity of the other. If neither of us does we continue working to lynch scum until the town our deaths. This early in the game there is only one conflicting role claimed for the doc to protect so we aren't hurting any more powerful roles yet. It is also true that this early on this isn't a big risk for the town. Essentially, once you all get it the only people that will needlessly keep trying to lynch either of us are mafia. Easy, simple plan to both narrow the field and gain power.

Sedai Experienced

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Darthe, youre wielding your "innocence" like a sword. No one here besides yourself and others with the same "roles" has any way of knowing you are telling the truth. You are throwing FoS around hoping it will stick. You're whole self sacrifice is pinging majorly. You keep pushing lynching you to prove peace, but the townie safe play would be to lynch peace to prove you. But since peace was already close to a lynch it looks like you may be trying to keep heat off of him.

Sedai Experienced

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Also don't tell the doc who to protect, or suggest who they should. It's their role they should use it accordingly.

Darthe Spam Master

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There is a far difference between assuming or believing that the dr will protect someone and telling them who to protect jack. I have also not thrown around FoS, as a matter of fact. I have only pointed at yourself and those who would choose to ignore a simple plan. It is your choice, once you accept this course of action, whether or not to believe me. And if you don't, why not be the first on my lynch unless you're afraid of standing out after my flip?

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Perhaps but I think the doc will protect the other one if that is the towns decision. I am proposing to peace that we work together today. To the town in general I am proposing trust my play for the day. If either peace or I get NK'd then the flip with role included should help the validity of the other. If neither of us does we continue working to lynch scum until the town our deaths. This early in the game there is only one conflicting role claimed for the doc to protect so we aren't hurting any more powerful roles yet. It is also true that this early on this isn't a big risk for the town. Essentially, once you all get it the only people that will needlessly keep trying to lynch either of us are mafia. Easy, simple plan to both narrow the field and gain power.

 

There are so many things wrong with this plan..

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There is a far difference between assuming or believing that the dr will protect someone and telling them who to protect jack. I have also not thrown around FoS, as a matter of fact. I have only pointed at yourself and those who would choose to ignore a simple plan. It is your choice, once you accept this course of action, whether or not to believe me. And if you don't, why not be the first on my lynch unless you're afraid of standing out after my flip?

 

Cause that's not even the point. You practically gave us an ultimatum - Trust me or lynch me. Wth? How is that helpful in the slightest? The plan you proposed has so many flaws and you're banking everything on something as simple as the fact that you have similar roles. And if you're on the same team? And if you're scum and Peace isn't? There wasn't a single course of action to lynch you until you yourself suggested it..

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Tiinker

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There is a far difference between assuming or believing that the dr will protect someone and telling them who to protect jack. I have also not thrown around FoS, as a matter of fact. I have only pointed at yourself and those who would choose to ignore a simple plan. It is your choice, once you accept this course of action, whether or not to believe me. And if you don't, why not be the first on my lynch unless you're afraid of standing out after my flip?

 

Your with me or your against me. Nice.. This isn't making you or Peace look any better.

Sedai Experienced

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There is a far difference between assuming or believing that the dr will protect someone and telling them who to protect jack. I have also not thrown around FoS, as a matter of fact. I have only pointed at yourself and those who would choose to ignore a simple plan. It is your choice, once you accept this course of action, whether or not to believe me. And if you don't, why not be the first on my lynch unless you're afraid of standing out after my flip?

 

Lulz it's almost like you want to get lynched. I'm voting for a player I think is scum at the moment. You are climbing up the ladder however and if you keep asking I'd be more then happy to. So you saying anyone who doesn't believe you at your word is scum? That's not throwing around FoS, again, Lulz.

Darthe Spam Master

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Interesting how hard you are pushing against it Tink. Mafia is like this. Sure, I am taking a risk here but I did the exact same thing from the moment I stuck my neck out for peace. I do not plan to underestimate the mafia so I had to assume that once he revealed his role abilities they could connect it to me. After all, they know who is town and who isn't. Based on that and the EXTREME rarity of this role being brought up by someone BEFORE I mentioned having it how can I believe that peace isn't town? He was probably getting lynched today anyhow, and someone has to die tonight. If I with my relatively weak power put myself at the forefront of the mafia's list and the town decides not to believe me then it is no more loss than would have happened in the day anyhow. It has the potential to be a gain even. This is why I brought the issue up and have pushed it.

 

A point in my favor (and yours) though, you are dead right. If I hadn't brought it up then there was almost no chance I was getting lynched today. Would scum do this to themselves? Ultimatums are not a bright mafia tactic. I am right and I am telling the truth. Go with it and we have a chance of getting scum instead of town today. That chance is worth my life if it is needed.

Red2111 Spam Master

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up to page 21 now. after this i've got to get back to work, so i'll pick up the next 30 pages likely tomorrow.

 

Impressions: People are attacking alanna. Does not make sense. Smacks of word twisting and scummy things. Mynd is being mynd, but that doesn't mean he can't be scum. Ishy i'm not sure about. The odds are against him being scum... Which means that its just possible. Red is being red, throwing FoS's everywhere. I don't see a case on her. I'm going to VOTE MYND to even the trains up and because one should never trust a mynd.

 

this post pings. mainly for his dismissing my and mynd with the same logic but then turing aroudn and voting for mynd. that and his reasonings are odd, to even up the trians and cause no one shoudl trust Mynd ... yet no mention on the reveal push from mynd.

 

yes i know that pete has replaced Maw, but that doesn't mean we shoudln't ignore or brush off Maws actions.

 

 

yay mini WoT!

 

Well this is an FF game so I'm guessing there are a bunch of mason teams. Moogle, Al Bhed, Summoners, Maesters, Vieras... Chocobo trainers! Different people in Mason teams on different sides because Maesters are so secretive. Or like a group of Espers/Aeons with one night each abilities or something. Or three mafia combining to form Sephiroth if they get hold of the right item. The possibilities...

 

 

On second thought, I won't try guessing..

 

the majority of the Maesters were bad guys aka Seymour, Mika, the fat one, the Ronso was the only one not breaking the rules, and was unaware the others were

 

I contend that we are all either playable characters from the series OR major bosses from the series. My character is town and from FF XIII and I am one of the playable characters from that series.

 

Why is Red opposed to any kind of reveal, even if its only the series we came from? Perhaps she's skurred we might find her scum?

 

unvote

 

vote Red

 

thats a HUGE assumption there Mynd it's quite possible that Kae could have randomly chosen any named characters

 

quoted to show case how EP attached onto Tiinks speculation and to show EPs firm stance against reveals; which imo kinda exonerates Mynd seeing as EP later attacks Mynd and pushes a lynch on him over this.

 

 

I don't like his trying to bend the rules on the stated claim rules because he severly limited the number of characters he could be from his statement and all would be town, and I am unsure if I truely trust him at this point, but that is just my gut after the SW game I think he's trying to pull the claim strategy from the other side of the fence for good roles to pick off

 

^ here he uses the mass role claim as a base to push Mynd as scummy. which is basically adding fuel to the fire already started on mynd. in otherwords, given we know EP is scum, this makes me think he saw an easy wagon to push and therefore makes me think Mynd is likely town.

 

 

Im gonna try red's method with a bit more umph: The PR thing is a weak excuse because anyone can say anything about ff good and it count! Can't you?

 

SCUMMY SCUMMY SCUMMY

 

And a lot of us post at work. This is a SCUMMY excuse to sneak under the radar!!!!

 

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Wow that does make the game more fun! :p

 

For red, here you go so you have no excuse anymore:

 

FF is amazing because it's make by Square Enix!

 

FF is awesome because I love the character depth!

 

FF rules because the people that make it made the best game ever: Chrono Trigger!

 

FF is grand because it's open!

 

FF rules because it redefined RPG's.

 

FF is great because people cosplay it.

 

FF is wonderful as a game and series because of the flashiness and design involved!

 

Feel free to copy and paste at your leisure.

 

quoted because again i find it scummy.

 

you have yet to answer my question (which Razen also pointed out btw) why would you attempt to help me with my PR? i think honeslty you were hoping it woudl limit the amount i could say further given i had already stated i had limited knowledge of the series. imo, you were either hoping i'd use one of those and Kae would MK me, or i'd stop posting so you could continue to fan the "red is lurking she must be scum' angle that you've been milking all game.

 

 

and I don't disagree with the claiming of games, but your logic is fundementally flawed, You can play as Seipher in ff8 who is neither a main character on your team nor a final boss, there are several other instances in the stories, like the guy that you play as in the begining of 12 before switching to Vaan iirc he dies in that opening section. I'm just discrediting your theory not the game reveal as you may feel it limits the number of claims but it really does not limit it near as much as you'd assume

 

again EP is attacking Mynd over the reveals. i'll also note that he's fanning the fire but lacks a vote

 

 

You say I am mafia, or you believe me to be Mafia? Please clarify.

 

 

I didn't ignore it - I said I didn't get it because I don't know FF very well.

 

here is where Ithi starts the LD hints. BUT i want to say something on this.

 

 

 

 

I claimed the FF Chapter of my character with the understanding that it was vague enough to not count as a reveal.

 

Sooo... why even bother?

 

You say I am mafia, or you believe me to be Mafia? Please clarify.

 

lol

 

unvote, vote: Ithi

 

/drunk but serious

 

thsi came out of no where, and this vote was never explained. i dislike it.

 

 

If someone is just 'saying' I am Mafia, it could be that they are on the Mafia team and don't want to actually lie. So they can just say that they are saying I am on the Mafia team.

 

If they say they believe I am Mafia, and they are really mafia, then they can be caught out in a lie, because a member of the Mafia Team wouldnt truly believe I was mafia.

 

I never twisted EPs words lol.

 

Ithi, your logic IS flawed. an LD checks game FACTS not player OPINIONS. the choice of phrase, either way, is stll OPINION. just because a scumster says "i believe you to be Mafia" or "i think you're mafia" doesn't mean they truely dont think your mafia; for all they know, there could be another scum team; especially givin the fact wer're in an advance game and Kae can infer if the scumster truely does think your on an opposing scum team; so technically they woudl be telling the truth. and Kae can't ask for them to verfiy whether or they believe theres a 2nd scum team.

 

 

i'm not tryign to discredit your claim, just showing you how your logic on this is majorily flawed and its not the glorious trap you believe it to be.

 

 

So why do you think there's a lie detector?

 

and you never answered why you'd think there wasn't one.

 

 

 

VOTE ITHI

 

Your pushing of EP seems very fabricated. Did it even occur to you that he may be a minor character and that would explain his whole reasoning?

 

Jack...you seem awfully quick to defend her by attacking panda with that bogus role fishing comment. He wasn't fishing he asked why she thought there was a LD in the game.

 

and peace comes out to help EP. ping he also uses this opportunity to defend panda (who literally came out of the woodwork to vote Ithi) and attack jack 1.0 (a known town).

 

 

Ithi, you're squirming a lot. Plus, I just remembered this:

 

Ishy is Mafia. He is probably Sephiroth the Godfather. That's why he feels so confident in saying he is Town so early in the game. Sephiroth is probably a more popular character than Cloud also - so his statistics probably fit too.

 

Vote Ishy/color]

 

Why exactly are you so certain that there is a godfather, or that it is Sephy? VOTE ITHI

 

another pingy post from Ithi, that furthers her wagon as well. Ithi isn't scrambling, and note his reaction to the GF being mentioned.

 

 

Ishy the last time I remember you talking like a certain Game of Thrones character you were scum and evil.

>.>

 

ping for using antoher game to try and push the scum angle on a person in this game. esepcially when that person already has a wagon on them.

 

 

Would it be scummy to merely do this? Instead of claiming which FF you're from, just state which console you're from. SNES, PSOne, PS2, or PS3? That could keep it vague enough while still sharing something.

 

and out of no where, just as EP is getting heat, Ishy brings the reveal discussion back to center stage. or atleast attempts to.

 

fishy fishy fishy and smells like a distraction attempt.

 

 

I'm not, but why are you so heavily against it? do you have something to hide?

 

Mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia Mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia Mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia mafia

 

He IS mafia and ridiculously so. Those of you who remember the Labyrinth game - I named them ALL on the first day, remember.

 

For second use of the word squirming and ridiculous agreeing with EP frntic 'crap she voted for me and i am mafia' vote of me - I also name Peace as being on the Mafia team. I also thought his 'why elsse would anyone else vote you epic' and when he is coronored as mafia later in the game I may make him a siggy with that quote on.

 

So vote EP - you can vote Peace tomorrow :)

 

i dislike you using previous games to try and beef up yourself and make yoruself appear more than your not Ithi.

 

 

this, and how hard you and EP are goign back and forth make me nevours of a gambit tbh.

 

 

Sorry for the quietness...

Ithi, I think you're pushing a little hard on EP, though I think you're both just blasting back at each other based on little. Ithi is coming off as too defensive. Also, just because you named "all the mafia" on some other game means nothing here, new game, different players, different circumstance. I think using that as a reason to vote EP is fail.

 

Major ping on Ithi for setting up lynches: EP today, Peace tomorrow. Oh snap.

 

^ this.

 

 

Ithillian and EP both seem town to me at this point. Each is pushing far too hard for scum to do because scum wants to avoid notice, and each seems to be playing askew. Mawthrex makes the best sense. Review his posts and you will see he is playing a moderate scum game.

 

Now that's a wifom. Lol.

 

They are playing to bold so they aren't scum. Unless they are scum and are playing bold to shake suspicion. I always play bold regardless. If I have something to say I say it. So I don't really put much stock in that kind of logic.

 

^ this

 

not to mention the quote from Darthe given his statements abotu Ithi and EP. if Darthe flips scum, i'm gonna put more stock in my gut feelign of a gambit tbh.

Red2111 Spam Master

Red2111

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as it stands currently, i'm wary of a Mynd lynch via EPs push on him. even though his push for a mass reveal stinks of gammign the Mod i'm lenaing town on him currently.

 

 

i like my vote on Peace right now, but i'd love to see some pressure on Darthe or Ishy as well. and more so Ishy than Darthe

Darthe Spam Master

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Hope you catch up soon Red =p Thought I answered that forever ago? Simplest reason possible, I got tired of seeing you post that your PR was keeping you from posting.

Red2111 Spam Master

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seeing you say that you hope i catch up soon makes me cringe. i've had it happen too many times where i catch up in a game just to be NKd the followign night *eyes Darthe warily*

Sakaea Master

Sakaea

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Peace (6) Red, Turin, Andrew, Mynd, Lenlo, Ishy

 

Mynd (5) Songstress, peace, Tiinker, Jack, BG

 

Jack (2) Rand, Darthe

 

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

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