There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Aiel Heart]

Oh yeah Vote Darthe

[Darthe]

Very well. If it is the towns wish, I will vote limi as well but only the hammer and after she gets time to speak. I am

Trying to give you a chance limi, sorry :(

[Darthe]

Unrelated to that last post, regardless of my behaviors, why are people this interested in killing an uncontested cop? Lol if I was mynd I would tell all of you to save it for the night phase, scum. But I am not, so I instead try to show you your flawed logic. Problem is, you all are behaving quite illogically. :p you will regret it when you realize you have killed roughly half the scum and are handing them back a chance for victory.

[Darthe]

Unrelated to that last post, regardless of my behaviors, why are people this interested in killing an uncontested cop? Lol if I was mynd I would tell all of you to save it for the night phase, scum. But I am not, so I instead try to show you your flawed logic. Problem is, you all are behaving quite illogically. :p you will regret it when you realize you have killed roughly half the scum and are handing them back a chance for victory.

[keyholder21]

Seems the best way to "vet" Darthe. Vote Limi.

[keyholder21]

In other news, where did Ishy and Hoof go?

 

Idk where Hoof is, but Ishy was on the road home from his in-laws and is now taking care of his sick family members. He should be back later tonight.

[keyholder21]

Oh, and thanks for the comment on the avatar Iron .

[Darthe]

The worst part of voting me is that even if you lynch me you still have to lynch limi cause she could be a godmother, whereas if she is lynched it has the opportunity to vet me.

[Darthe]

The worst part of voting me is that even if you lynch me you still have to lynch limi cause she could be a godmother, whereas if she is lynched it has the opportunity to vet me.

[keyholder21]

So you didn't want us to lynch her and now you're throwing her under the bus?

[Darthe]

Nope, I disagree with the premise but if you are choosing between the two of us and you choose the one with a power role that reflects very poorly, and in this instance gains the town less.

[Myndrunner]

Very well. If it is the towns wish, I will vote limi as well but only the hammer and after she gets time to speak. I am

Trying to give you a chance limi, sorry :(

 

I am not very comfortable at all with your desire to hammer. What do you expect her to say in her defense other than "IM A VANILLA TOWNIE" ? If you use logic, Limi would have to agree that her lynch is the best for the town. She wins if this sacrifice helps the town get rid of the scum...all of them. What does hammering her benefit you?

 

Still.....we have more than two options...

 

Nope, I disagree with the premise but if you are choosing between the two of us and you choose the one with a power role that reflects very poorly, and in this instance gains the town less.

Again, there are valid reasons for lynching you that are pro-town. You continue to ignore this and it frustrates me that you are probably telling the truth. Limi is the better lynch for today, and if she is town, even she cannot deny that its the way to go. Still, allow me to elaborate why lynching YOU would have been a pro-town move if other evidence hadn't come to light:

 

1) A Sheriff/Deputy claim is a great way for two mafia to hide among players in a game with multiple mafia teams. Not only does it allow you to vouch for another if need be, but you gain some control over who we lynch based on your findings. A Sheriff is not a cop claim so if there is a cop in the game, you aren't exactly claiming their role. You could then argue that a game like this would require more than one cop.

 

2) By your own claim, you have a deputy who inherits your role should you die. We don't risk losing our cop completely, we just risk losing a townie player. Unless your deputy can also finder while you are alive in the game, then our risk in lynching you is minimal.

 

3) If you flip Sheriff Townie, then we KNOW Limi is likely town and we pretty much have validated her as town. The Doc would then choose between healing her or themselves, while the deputy now can finder someone else. If you flip anything other than Sheriff townie, then we know to lynch Limi next.

 

4) Your reactions have been erratic and like that of a scum scrambling to keep his story straight. The whole "sometimes vanilla" thing really comes across as bullshanks, but not impossible. In a game with just plain mafia players, there would be no need for you to get a role read in addition to alignment.

 

These are the thoughts of a town-oriented player, not a scum who is trying to lynch an uncontested cop. To assume that everyone who agrees with your lynch is scum or deserves an FOS is poor judgement in itself.

 

Further evidence has countered some of these points enough that Limi remains the better of the two options. The fact that Peacesells flipped as a "vanilla scum" validates the need for a role read on players. His argument that Limi visited Mynd 1.0 on the night he died suggests that his team has a Watcher or Tracker among them. The pieces fit here a lot more snug than your scrambling vague claim alone. If Peacesells was telling the truth about Limi, then she is not a vanilla townie as your viewing claims.

 

Now then, Mynd 1.0 presented a wild yet not entirely improbable theory which I now would like to present a variation of. In mafia, we go with Occam's Razor (the theory that makes the least amount of assumptions is likely the correct one) when deciding a lynch. The theory that Darthe is lying and making stuff up about Limi isn't impossible, but it is more likely that he is telling the truth. I think I know who our deputy is and peacesells may have been trying to leave a bit of WIFOM for us before he died regarding Limi.

 

This also means that Limi is likely town, so if we are to assume the more likely scenario, then we should assume both Darthe and Limi are town. Lynching Limi or Darthe would validate their claims, but doesn't give us information that we don't kinda already know. Remember, we can always go back and yell bullshanks later on in the game. If Darthe is lying, he only need be caught once before his demise.

 

Given this...... unvote

 

So when I look at the roster and cross off Limi, Darthe, the one who I suspect is his Deputy, and myself, I have a list of more likely scum players. I suggest we look among them at those who either reluctantly voted peacesells or defended EP or Nyn in some way.

[Myndrunner]

Oh, and Ishy! Y U NO sign up for Avengers Mafia after registering at MJ Forums?!

[Little Miss]

I am already lynched, however, I am still going to say this, I am a vanilla townie, PLEASE remember what I said about a redirector.

 

Also BG, key, Iron and Arez are all odd to me.

 

I always expalin my thoughts and don't jump on things with out good reason. I don't think I have been overly scummy this game, aside from a couple boo boos I think most cases are BS.

[Darthe]

Can we get a vote count please?

[Aiel Heart]

I'm in my sleepy loopy mood. Where did we get the redirector theory? I remember Limi bringing it up when Peace said that his teammate had seen her visiting Mynd #1. So was that taking what Peace said at face value?

[Myndrunner]

I am already lynched, however, I am still going to say this, I am a vanilla townie, PLEASE remember what I said about a redirector.

 

Not by my count. With 19 players in the game, I'd figure we would need 10 votes to hammer your lynch. Here is where Day 3 Begins. By my count, you are at 5 so unless there is something special about you where you only require half the votes to lynch you, I'd say you are pretty safe.

[SBoydW]

Limi (5) - Kae, Basel, iron, Arez, Key

Darthe (3) - BG, Razen, Aiel

 

 

19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=5&day=24&year=2012&hour=5+pm&min=&sec=&p0=412

[Myndrunner]

Also BG, key, Iron and Arez are all odd to me.

 

Please elaborate. I would say three of those four have piqued my interest and one I feel fairly confident is legitimately trying to scum hunt. I think the way those four responded (or didn't) to my fake claim are worth noting. Match that with how they have voted in the past, and one might find things rather interesting indeed.

 

I always expalin my thoughts and don't jump on things with out good reason. I don't think I have been overly scummy this game, aside from a couple boo boos I think most cases are BS.

 

You have to remember that the cleanest players are often the ones who are truly scum. We are at a point in the game where logic should prevail over intuition, even though one should never rule out one's gut feelings. We have to go with who is likely scum based on the evidence we have before us. I'd say with three mafia deaths by Day 3, we're doing really good so far and have a lot of info to go on. So, when someone thinks you are scum it may not be anything you said but rather what you did or didn't do or what someone else has viewed about you.

 

Also, your redirection argument troubles me. It assumes Peacesells was telling the truth, of which you seem to already concur. One could argue that if redirection exists in this game, perhaps Darthe was redirected when he tried to view you. In that case, perhaps we should lynch you after all.

[Blackhoof]

sorry i havent been present the lat few pages... my internet stuffed up

[Blackhoof]

im just trying to cvath up at the moment :P

 

damn actives

[Blackhoof]

after catching up, i shall vote limi

 

im a little iffy about Darthe's "super-role" who seems to be five-in-one, so this is the best way to vet him. at worst, we lose a vanilla town, at best, we kill a godfather and vet him. genius :)

 

if we kill a vanilla scum, however...

[Little Miss]

I was on my phone when I red over the votes and saw Darthe talk about hammering me.

 

Honestly I feel it's stupid to lynch an un countered cop role, and I do agree my death is better for the town, even if Darthe is sounding a little weird.

 

BG has just started to really ping me since peace died, that and how easily he went a long with your thing last night. That and he changed his tune a bit it seems. He is just being... agressive.

 

 

Key - Honestly this is more just gut. I would put her on the same activity level as Nyn almost, and I feel like her votes are always late, or safe.

 

 

Arez because of reasons I stated before, trying to suggest things/roles, and or "rolling over" as soon as they are questioned. But this could just be from newness.

 

 

Iron... I'm trying to exactly place it. I feel in the past few pages a lot of what he has been doing is piggy backing. Agreeing with statements, but not making many accusations aside from the ridiculous one about how scummy I've been all game. However the Translation things, while I personally feel it has no real barring on the game could either be a noob trying to find things or mafia trying to distract on things that don't matter.

 

 

As for the redirector - I think that Peace wasn't lying, and I think this because it would explain his weak casing he did all that day. I do agree that he had nothing to hide, and was probably telling the truth, even if it was wrong info. I also think it might explain why we have seen only 1 kill per night. Either the doc is doing an amazing job, OR they can only choose one action at night or the other. I know it was like this in one game.

 

 

My lynch would show that A) my theory on a misdirector is possible, and B) who was for and against me. I think the info would be pretty beneficial.

[Myndrunner]

I'm really starting to cool on the whole lynch Limi idea. First of all, we can always lynch her later on if we begin to doubt her. Even if she is scum, there are others out there waiting in the wings. The thing is, Darthe is likely telling the truth and therefore Limi is likely town. Sure, we've already bagged 3 out of likely 8 non-townies, so we can risk a townie lynch, but we do have plenty of time to case others.

 

In regards to BG, I have a mixed read on him. There are things he has said that lead me to believe he is a value to the town, but there are things he had DONE that lead me to believe he's scum. He has played quite aggressively all game, voting players right out of the gate at times. He went right after me when Nyn was killed, almost as if he knew she was going to die and didn't pause to read her coroner report to celebrate the scum kill. He could be swinging from the fences because he's vanilla town and has nothing to lose (just like me) or he's scum trying to force a quick lynch.

 

I am also with Limi in regards to Key. She is playing very anti-Key in this game, and I haven't seen her do a proper casing all game.

 

I will reiterate that lynching Darthe is not stupid or necessarily anti-town; however, there is information out there that should lead all town players to the conclusion that he is likely telling the truth. Remember, the theory with the least amount of assumptions is likely the truth.

 

I am pretty sure I know who our Deputy is. I hope the mafia haven't figured it out yet, but in case they saw what I saw, then we really need to keep Darthe in the game. Still, they would be foolish to kill the Deputy in that if it is who I think it is, that person's death would only validate Darthe AND Limi. So they are kinda at a mafia standoff. They can't kill Darthe, Limi, or the Deputy because it would prove the other two.

 

I also think I know who our healer is, but I could be wrong. Very wrong. Further investigations into this persons postings leads me to believe he might be rolefishing. Either way, there are bigger fish to potentially fry at this time.

 

I agree about Iron and Arez, but I don't see them as erratic as Key and BG. I'm thinking one of the latter would be a better lynch. Gonna go dig up the voting stats again.....

[keyholder21]

lol, how can I play un-Key like when I'm Key?

 

Not sure where you are getting that I haven't done a proper casing. I remember casing Darthe before he came out as cop, and Hoof yesterday. I also feel like I've possibly caught something with Basel, though true that I haven't cased him as of yet.