Various 'Wheel of Time' Things

[mb]

Words from this series I found in dictionary

 

gleeman

noun

a medieval minstrel

minstrel

noun

1 any of a medieval class of entertainers who traveled from place to place: know esp. for singing and reciting to musical accompaniment

2 a poet, singer, or musician

 

peddler

noun

a person who peddles

peddle

verb

-to go from place to place selling small articles

-to spend time on trifles; piddle

-to carry from place to place and offer for sale

-to deal out or circulate (gossip, ideas, etc.)

 

miasma

noun

1 a vapor rising as from marshes or decomposing animal or vegetable matter, formerly supposed to poison and infect the air, causing malaria, etc.

2 an unwholesome or befogging atmosphere, influence, etc.

 

 

unrelated:

saidar's witticism goes like this::

There is no rock so strong that water and wind cannot wear it away, no fire so fierce that water cannot quench it or wind snuff it out.

The books tell that saidin's has been lost.

saidin's I think could go like this:

There is no gust so strong that earth and fire cannot contain it, no water so deep that fire cannot evaporate it or earth fill it up.

 

 

You may comment about these things and/or bring up other topics.

[Hyronimus]

?

[LemonPastie]

!

[zerachiel76]

 

unrelated:

saidar's witticism goes like this::

There is no rock so strong that water and wind cannot wear it away, no fire so fierce that water cannot quench it or wind snuff it out.

The books tell that saidin's has been lost.

saidin's I think could go like this:

There is no gust so strong that earth and fire cannot contain it, no water so deep that fire cannot evaporate it or earth fill it up

 

I love this, For ages I've tried to think what the corresponding witticism would be and can imagine it being what you said.

 

 

You may comment about these things and/or bring up other topics.

[mb]

From my reference software::

Sericulture.

 

Production of silk involves (1) the care of the domesticated silkworm (Bombyx mori) from the egg stage through completion of the cocoon and (2) the production of mulberry trees that provide leaves upon which the worms feed. The silkworm caterpillar builds its cocoon by producing and surrounding itself with a long, continuous fibre, or filament. Liquid secretions from two large glands within the insect emerge from the spinneret, a single exit tube in the head, hardening upon exposure to air andforming twin filaments composed of fibroin, a protein material. A second pair of glands secretes sericin, a gummy substance cementing the two filaments together. Because an emerging moth would break the cocoon filament, the larva is killed in the cocoon by steam or hot air at the chrysalis stage.

 

Silk is a continuous filament within each cocoon, having a usable length of about 600 to 900 m (2,000 to 3,000 feet). It is freed by softening the binding sericin and then locating the filament end and unwinding, or reeling, the filaments from several cocoons at the same time, sometimes with a slight twist, forming a single strand. Severalsilk strands, each too thin for most uses, are twisted together to make thicker, stronger yarn in the process called throwing, producing various yarns differing according to the amount and direction of the twist imparted.

 

Silk containing sericin is called raw silk. The gummy substance, affording protection during processing, is usually retained until the yarn or fabric stage and is removed by boiling the silk in soap and water, leaving it soft and lustrous, with weight reduced by as much as 30 percent. Spun silk is made from short lengths obtained from damaged cocoons or broken off during processing, twisted together to make yarn. The thickness of silk filament yarn is expressed in terms of denier, the number of grams of weight per 9,000 m (9,846 yards) of length. Silk is sometimes—in a process called weighting—treated with a finishing substance, such as metallic salts, to increase weight, add density, and improve draping quality.

 

The degumming process leaves silk lustrous and semitransparent, with a smooth surface that does not readily retain soil. Silk has good strength, resisting breakage when subjected to weights of about 4 g (0.5 ounce) per denier. Wetting reduces strength by about 15–25 percent. A silk filament can be stretched about 20 percent beyond its original length before breaking but does not immediately resume its original length when stretched more than about 2 percent. Silk, lower in density than such fibres as cotton, wool, and rayon, is moisture-absorbent, retaining as much as a third of its weight in moisture without feeling damp, and has excellent dyeing properties. It is more heat-resistant than wool, decomposing at about 170° C (340° F). Silk loses strength over a long period of time without appropriate storage conditions and tends to decompose with extensive exposure to sunlight but is rarely attacked by mildew. It is not harmed by mild alkaline solutions and common dry-cleaning solvents. Friction imparts a static charge, especially in low humidity. The rustling sound, or scroop, associated with crisp silk fabrics is not a natural property of the fibre but is developed by processing treatments, and it does not indicate quality, as is sometimes believed.

 

Somewhat related to the scene in Knife of Dreams Chapter 21.

[yoniy0]

miasma

I found that folks mostly use that word when they actually mean Mashadar. Never understood why; it doesn't sound the same at all. If it was used in the books to describe Mashadar, it couldn't have been more than a couple of times, and not in TEotW.

[wcbrooks]

miasma

I found that folks mostly use that word when they actually mean Mashadar. Never understood why; it doesn't sound the same at all. If it was used in the books to describe Mashadar, it couldn't have been more than a couple of times, and not in TEotW.

 

I thought miasma was the bubbles of evil???

[yoniy0]

I thought miasma was the bubbles of evil???

I finally used Ideal Seek. Yes, that word was used in relation to the Bubbles twice in TSR. But it was strictly used to mean what it actually does IRL. I don't think that counts as a WoT-term.

[Azrayne]

I thought miasma was the bubbles of evil???

I finally used Ideal Seek. Yes, that word was used in relation to the Bubbles twice in TSR. But it was strictly used to mean what it actually does IRL. I don't think that counts as a WoT-term.

 

None of them are really, they're all words with real world origins and applications, except perhaps 'gleeman,' which is so obscure it might as well have been made up.

[yoniy0]

You're missing my point. Gleeman in WoT means a dude with patched cloak who travels from village to village to provide entertainment. There were gleemen IRL, but WoT has them as part of its culture -- there's some world-building done around the concept that has nothing to do with our world.

 

Miasma, in tWoT, just means... whatever it means in IRL. The foulness of the DO seeping through the Pattern, or the collective feeling of fear Perrin senses in CoT, or for that matter the feeling Rand has when the Darkhounds close on him in Rhuidean and Elayne's sense of Ebou Dar in TAR, or... just what it means IRL.

Plus, I do still think the term mostly comes up when folks forget Mashadar's name.

[Rallan]

So... we're meant to be astounded that some of the English words used in Wheel of Time mean things in English? I'm kinda not getting the point of this thread.

[mb]

point of this thread, did not have anything specific in mind when I started this thread.

 

 

Found another word.

 

bard¹

noun

1 an ancient Celtic poet and singer of epic poems, who accompanied himself on the harp

2 any of various other national minstrels or epic poets

3 a poet

slightly related to gleeman

 

bard²/barde

noun

a piece of armor for a horse

verb

to put bards on (a horse)

[Rallan]

Will there be a point when some kind of logical connection is made or a conclusion is reached?

[mb]

Others might come up with a connection/conclusion. It might be a long time before I come up with one.

 

Edit:: Like I told in opening post, others may bring up new topics.

[mb]

Another thing from reference software::

Silk

 

Although silk is produced by some insects, centipedes, and millipedes, and a similar substance is produced by mites, pseudoscorpions, and some crustaceans (ostracods and amphipods), only the spiders are true silk specialists. Spider silks that have been studied are proteins called fibroin, which has chemical characteristics similar to those of insect silk. The silk is produced by more than seven different types of glands in the abdomen. Ducts from the glands traverse structures called spinnerets, which open to the outside through spigots. Abdominal pressure forces the silk to flow outward; the rate of flow is controlled by muscular valves in the ducts. The primitive Mesothelae have only two types of silk glands, but orb weavers have at least seven, each of which produces a different kind of silk; e.g., aciniform glands produce silk for wrapping prey, ampullate glands produce the draglines and frame threads, and cylindrical glands produce parts of the egg sac. Epigastric silk glands of male spiders produce silk that emerges through spigots in the abdomen between the book lung covers; silk from these glands provides a surface for the sperm drop in sperm induction.

 

Threads of Nephila silk have a high tensile strength and great elasticity. Silk probably changes to a solid in the spigot, or as a result of tension forces. Strands usually are flat or cylindrical as they emerge and are of surprisingly uniform diameter. The glob of silk that binds or anchors strands emerges from the spigot as a liquid.

 

The movable spinnerets, which consist of telescoping articles, are modified appendages; two pairs are from the 10th body segment, two pairs from the 11th. Liphistius, of the suborder Mesothelae, is the only spider with a full complement of four pairs of spinnerets in the adult. Most spiders have three pairs; usually the anterior median pair is lost or reduced either to a nonfunctional cone, called the colulus, or to a flat plate, the cribellum, through which open thousands of minute spigots. Spiders with a cribellum also have a comb, the calamistrum, on the metatarsus of the fourth leg. The calamistrum combs the silk that flows from the cribellum, producing a characteristically woolly (cribellate) silk.

 

Related to that other one.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/68777-various-wheel-of-time-things/#entry2226189