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  1. I'm sorry to see you go, the best of luck to you and I hope the reason you're leaving is you've joined a scientific expedition to investigate some weird occurances of people disappearing by stones that have various shapes and markings on them. Or failing that, now Tarmon Gaidon is over you're being recalled to the Horn as a hero :)
  2. This discussion started in another thread and I think I've stumbled across something a bit weird. Possibly a contradiction or maybe an oversight. The World of the Wheel of Time page 136 states that "Additionally he (Hawkwing) divided all of the nations into provinces which ofttimes overlapped old national boundaries. While lower level functionaries in any province always came from the same region, no-one was appointed governor over a province that held any part of the nation they had been born in and he made certain that soldiers garrisoned in a province always came from still another region of the empire. This made it impossible for any governor to build a personal base of power". However on page 168 it states "Ishara declared Andor as a sovereign nation and took the title as Queen, but she was no stranger to royalty, the former governor, Ishara's mother, had been the daughter of the last King of Aldeshar before Hawkwing conquered it." Ishara's mother might not have been born in the part of Aldeshar which was subsumed into Andor after Hawkwing conquered it. However this does seem a little strange considering the blanket statement about no governor coming from the land they were born in as I would have thought that Ishara's mother would have been born in Aldeshar considering her father was it's king. However I know they don't necessarily follow. Another strange point I need to consider is on page 159 in the same book. "His initial treatment of Aldeshar, the last nation to fall to him was certainly cruel: no prisoners taken in a number of battles, the displacement of nearly the whole population to other parts of the empire, the confiscation of all estates with the whole nobility and the entire merchant class reduced to penury and scattered to every corner of the empire." Then further down the same page it states "At her (Tamika) behest relented in his treatment of Aldeshar, allowing the people to return, restoring confiscated estates and titles" Now while he restored the nobles estates and titles, what did he do with the royal family? He couldn't restore them as Aldeshar didn't exist any more? Maybe he made the kings daughter the governor of the region which included Aldeshar in an attempt to restore the royal family to some kind of power in the same way he restored the estates and titles of Aldeshar's nobles. What do people think about this strange seeming contradiction about Ishara's mother being descended from Aldeshar's last King and yet no governor was allowed to be born in the land they were governing? Has this question been asked and answered before?
  3. Fair enough, it was such an interesting debate though I got a little carried away with the historical thing which was in the beginning related to my point but moved further and further away from it as the discussion continued. I like your summary about my feelings for Elayne, that really made me chuckle. Direct and to the point :)
  4. First off let me be clear, I apologize if my post came off in a disrespectful manner. I was merely trying to show that your opinion was based on some incorrect facts, mainly because of your phrasing that "won" the country for her. In terms of WoT Wiki it is not and has never been an accepted source. It is made by fans and as such has numerous mistakes and assumptions. I see mistakes above concerning Andor not having any military(Enshara was the daughter of the King of Aldeshar which predated Hawkwing and as such had a pre existing military and nation behind her yearning for independance). We know Hawkwing ruled by leaving the nations largely intact after conquering. Secondly we know the "Prince of the Sword" title came after the first few Queens sons died. Those are the two that jump out as wrong and I suspect the 100 years portion is as well considering Andor was not a target like Cairhein during that time. They were expanding their territory, not defending. Regardless it's besides the point. The wiki can not be used as a source. As for in world view Elayne may not know for certain that Taim is a DF but she certainly suspects something wrong. In addition as David raised there are other issues to consider and it is incorrect for you to blame Elayne here. To end I have enjoyed the conversation and again it wasn't my intent to offend. Cheers. Thanks, sorry for the belated response but my bed called me last night as I'd not noticed how late it had got. I do acknowledge that I used the word won rather than secured which caused confusion. Returning to the founding of Andor I've found something interesting regarding Ishara and her mother. The World of the Wheel of Time page 136 states that "Additionally he (Hawkwing) divided all of the nations into provinces which ofttimes overlapped old national boundaries. While lower level functionaries in any province always came from the same region, no-one was appointed governor over a province that held any part of the nation they had been born in and he made certain that soldiers garrisoned in a province always came from still another region of the empire. This made it impossible for any governor to build a personal base of power". However on page 168 it states "Ishara declared Andor as a sovereign nation and took the title as Queen, but she was no stranger to royalty, the former governor, Ishara's mother, had been the daughter of the last King of Aldeshar before Hawkwing conquered it." Now I can appreciate that Ishara's mother might not have been born in the part of Aldeshar which was subsumed into Andor after Hawkwing conquered it. However this does seem a little strange considering the blanket statement about no governor coming from the land they were born in as I would have thought that Ishara's mother would have been born in Aldeshar considering her father was it's king. However I know they don't necessarily follow. Another strange point I need to consider is on page 159 in the same book. "His initial treatment of Aldeshar, the last nation to fall to him was certainly cruel: no prisoners taken in a number of battles, the displacement of nearly the whole population to other parts of the empire, the confiscation of all estates with the whole nobility and the entire merchant class reduced to penury and scattered to every corner of the empire." Then further down the same page it states "At her (Tamika) behest relented in his treatment of Aldeshar, allowing the people to return, restoring confiscated estates and titles" Now while he restored the nobles estates and titles, what did he do with the royal family? He couldn't restore them as Aldeshar didn't exist any more? Maybe he made the kings daughter the governor of the region which included Aldeshar in an attempt to restore the royal family to some kind of power in the same way he restored the estates and titles of Aldeshar's nobles. We can only speculate unless this question has been answered somewhere else Regarding Ishara having a military force of her own, I find this unlikely considering the statement above regarding soldiers stationed within Andor bearing Ishara or her mother no loyalty and it being impossible for Ishara or her mother to have built a base of personal power. Going on the statement from RJ's book, although there could have been a nation yearning for independence, they didn't have the military stationed within the land loyal to the land to help Ishara secure it as all Aldesharan soldiers would have been stationed elsewhere in the empire as per Hawkwing's rules. Therefore based on this I can only make the assumption that Ishara based her claim for the throne using the backing of Maravaile's military might and skills. This in turn leads me back to my opinion that Maravaile was the founding father of Andor in the same way as Ishara was the founding mother. Ishara handled the politics while Maravaile handled the military aspects. Finally on the Ishara discussion, I think that WoT Wiki has this particular item correct which is what I was trying to get at last night, although we could debate the relative accuracy of the whole of the WoT Wiki forever. I think my thoughts on it are that the Wiki does have a lot of info on it, most of it correct but the details should be cross checked before I rely on them completely. I think we should agree to disagree on our respective opinions on Elayne as there are as many opinions on all the characters as there are stars in the galaxy. The characters are so well written and 3 dimensional we can all see different things in them and due to our personal circumstances, something which might really grate on me may not bother many other people. I do enjoy a good, well reasoned intelligent debate and this is one about the founding of Andor is one of the most enjoyable I've had in a long while. :)
  5. That's just the thing. I have no idea what fighting and dying you are referring to. It was a diplomatic victory and not a war. Ishara's mother was already the governor of that province, Ishara then persuaded the general to lift the siege of Tar Valon and married him. Hawkwing was already dead at this time and in return for her help she gained the Amyrlin's support in making Andor a country. As you said everyone is welcome to their opinion, but when said opinions are reached due to a misunderstanding of the facts most would reassess them. "Maravaile lifted the siege, pledged his loyalty and life to Ishara, whom he married, and they returned with his army to Caemlyn, where Ishara declared herself the first Queen of Andor.... Maravaile's army formed the core for the new Andoran military, and its experience and reliablity served Andor well during the early part of theWar of the Hundred Years. Under Maravaile's command, Andor's military expanded east and west so that by FY 999Andor held all the lands between the Cary and the Erinin. Maravaile's role as commander of Andor's army is analogous to that of the First Prince of the Sword, the traditional commander of Andor's military. Whether this title existed at this time, or if Maravaile was given it, remains unknown." You don't know what fighting or dying I'm referring to? The beginning of the War of the Hundred Years is what I'm referring to. However I acknowledge I said won rather than kept her throne, my mistake. Souran Maravaile helped Ishara secure Andor and then protected it for her. What would she have done without him? How is he remembered in Andor? As the founding father alongside Ishara as the founding mother? As the first King of Andor? No - he's almost been written out of history and this attitude towards the First Prince of the Sword as simply a tool for the Queen which seemed to have begun with Maravaile's treatment simply continued all the way up to Elayne who views it in the same detestable way. However I acknowledge this particular thing isn't her fault, it's the fault of one of her ascendents. Where is that text from? I hope not WoT Wiki as that certainly is not an accepted source and not canon by any stretch of the imagination. As with the text you provided there are far too many mistakes and assumptions. The confusion came when you said he "won" the country. As a commoner and general no doubt he came in handy expanding borders for Andor but no one was trying to take the country from her. She already had a military presence and the BWB says she married him for love not just his skills as a general. So no once again you are far off in you thinking here. He most certainly hasn't been "written out of history" as he founded nothing. As I said all along Ishara was the true power, not sure why that is difficult to understand. As for your final point I'm not even getting in to it with you. It is quite clear that bias plays far too much a role in how you are viewing things. The Avi scene is as much proof of that as anyone needs. Per the BT she knows nothing of the sort. You are making the mistake of looking at things from a reader not "in world" perspective. Not to mention it's hilarious that you would be mad at her when Rand set up a DF/13x13 training ground in her country and walked away from it, never to pay it another glance. You are mad at Elayne here? Bwhaha. Where do you get your sources that she had her own military? She was the daughter of a governor of a province. I believe you are making an assumption on what powers her position gave her. Do you know whether governors were allowed to keep or control armies in Hawkwing's Empire? Please provide evidence that the Governor of a province controlled a military force and I await details of Ishara's military prior to Maravaile bringing his Army. I appreciate that in the US each state has it's own National Guard, however you are assuming that Hawkwing's empire was run the same way. It is currently my opinion that the military force would be controlled by Hawkwing and below him his Generals as a separate military force. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary I will continue my belief that the military in Hawkwing's Empire was organised and controlled like in other countries such as the UK where all military forces are controlled by the main country's government not local government. After all what better way of preventing uprisings than making sure you control all the military? However I will concede the point if you can provide evidence she controlled enough of a military force to hold Andor against outside attack without Maravaile's army. If she didn't, she wouldn't have been able to hold Andor and thus Maravaile and his army secured Andor as an ongoing viable nation and he (through his army) should be recognised as the joint founder of the nation. I find it ironic that you accuse me of making the mistake of seeing things as a reader's point of view when your next statement regarding 13x13 is seeing things in exactly the same way. Elayne doesn't know anything about 13x13 or the DFs in the BT that we're aware of through her POV. All she can see is Rand set up the BT to train male channellers to fight in TG and her objection to this is what I find dumb. Rand's mistake in walking away from it is another example of "reader's perspective". Do we know for certain whether she know he's not been there in ages? You say WoT Wiki is not an accepted source. Please provide examples of its inaccuracy on this matter? Yes I'm biased against Elayne, I've never denied the fact. I've set out why I'm biased against her and the only things I've not included are those already written by other people. Regarding my final point, you state that my opinions are absurd (meaning ridiculously unreasonable, unsound or having no rational or orderly relationship to human life) but don't provide any supporting points. I think that by simply accusing me of having absurd opinions and then failing to state why or providing evidence to support your arguments, is unreasonable and could be construed as a personal slight against me. In essence you call me a name and simply walk away. I've been on this site a long time and read many a discussion and debate you have been involved in, and have a great deal of respect for your debating abilities, knowledge and opinions, even when I don't agree with them. Therefore I'm most disappointed by your stance on this. I haven't put my thoughts on here in an attempt to persuade others I am correct as these are simply my opinions and everyone else is free to have their own. I however don't like my opinions being attacked without some evidence to show why I'm incorrect in my viewpoint (in the same way as you provided some evidence on the founding of Andor - the debate on which I'm enjoying). I am fully prepared to admit I'm wrong if you provide evidence contrary to my existing views. I've not included on this thread anything on my opinion of Rand's mistakes with the BT, so to answer your question, yes I'm mad at Elayne here. This thread isn't for saying why I might be mad with Rand, that's for a whole different thread.
  6. That's just the thing. I have no idea what fighting and dying you are referring to. It was a diplomatic victory and not a war. Ishara's mother was already the governor of that province, Ishara then persuaded the general to lift the siege of Tar Valon and married him. Hawkwing was already dead at this time and in return for her help she gained the Amyrlin's support in making Andor a country. As you said everyone is welcome to their opinion, but when said opinions are reached due to a misunderstanding of the facts most would reassess them. "Maravaile lifted the siege, pledged his loyalty and life to Ishara, whom he married, and they returned with his army to Caemlyn, where Ishara declared herself the first Queen of Andor.... Maravaile's army formed the core for the new Andoran military, and its experience and reliablity served Andor well during the early part of theWar of the Hundred Years. Under Maravaile's command, Andor's military expanded east and west so that by FY 999Andor held all the lands between the Cary and the Erinin. Maravaile's role as commander of Andor's army is analogous to that of the First Prince of the Sword, the traditional commander of Andor's military. Whether this title existed at this time, or if Maravaile was given it, remains unknown." You don't know what fighting or dying I'm referring to? The beginning of the War of the Hundred Years is what I'm referring to. However I acknowledge I said won rather than kept her throne, my mistake. Souran Maravaile helped Ishara secure Andor and then protected it for her. What would she have done without him? How is he remembered in Andor? As the founding father alongside Ishara as the founding mother? As the first King of Andor? No - he's almost been written out of history and this attitude towards the First Prince of the Sword as simply a tool for the Queen which seemed to have begun with Maravaile's treatment simply continued all the way up to Elayne who views it in the same detestable way. However I acknowledge this particular thing isn't her fault, it's the fault of one of her ascendents. Re the Black Tower, yes I am angry at her for losing probably a square mile since she knows why her lover set it up and why he set it up. She knows that TG is coming and she knows Rand is doing everything he can to help the world survive it? Does she accept this miniscule loss of land for the good of the world? No she has a stupid NIMBY attitude combined with her "all of Andor is mine" attitude which as has been discussed as being ridiculous, elsewhere on the forum, specifically in regards to the Two Rivers which has not in effect been ruled from Caemlyn in who knows how long. "Though officially part of Andor, the Two Rivers has functioned autonomously for many years. Official Tax collectors haven't visited in years and most of the folk don't know that the Two Rivers is included on maps of Andor." Finally you've not provided any reason or evidence why my disliking the pathetic rebirth scene (which I think is pointless, adds nothing to the story and is a waste of a Chapter and yet some people think is so powerful and moving - it moves me to skipping the chapter or feeling ill with the pointless sentimentality of it), the stupid mind games she played with Rand in her letters (where her goal simply seems to make him feel rotten) or her ridiculous blaming of Rand for her pregnancy, are absurd?
  7. Man so much wrong here, where to even start? Will just touch on a few of the worst. This is in fact the exact opposite. She knows she has to win the votes of the high seats. This is made clear time an again. Not sure how you could even confuse the issue here. Further the line of descent is how Andor determines potential Queens. You hate Elayne because of a system that was set up long before she was even born? This has been refuted time and again over the years and it is frankly unbelievable how many people misunderstand this. First Rand was Steward in Andor, he never ruled the country, nor was it his to give. He made Elayne's job much harder because he said he would "give her" the throne. If she had said to Dyelin that she "accepted" the throne from Rand she would have lost the support of every High Seat and the war would have been far bloodier at a time in which Rand could ill afford such a situation in Andor. Bashere tells us this flat out when describing why Elayne can not use Rand's troops. Second again you seem to be blaming Elayne for Andor's culture in which it is a "self evident truth" that the Lion Throne can not be handed over by any one man. It takes a vote from all the High Seats as it is an Elective Monarchy. This shows an utter lack of understanding in terms of the history of Andor. You can say whatever you want about the General but Ishara was the true power in that situation as everyone knew at the time. She was directing all the events diplomatically with the Amyrlin to gain independence, the General did not win the country, he was merely leading the siege of Tar Valon at the time and then married Ishara. Also the tradition that only a Queen may sit the Lion Throne has nothing to do with "Elayne and her kind", in fact it so happened that the sons of the first Queens of Andor died in battle so the daughters inherited the throne instead. From there after many years it became tradition for "Daughter Heir" and "First Prince". Most of the others are absurd enough that they don't even really need to be addressed. All in all I can not think of a better example of someone reaching wrong conclusions and in turn irrationally disliking a character as the one above. That is your opinion and I welcome your freedom to express it. However I will not be swayed by anything you can say on this matter. These are the conclusions I've come to over 7 re reads in 6 years. I respect your right to your opinion on mine but I don't accept them. I personally think Elayne and possibly the elective system in Andor was written in such a way as to provoke reactions such as mine and my reaction is due to the skillful and effective writing by RJ. I hate the succession system in Andor, that much is evident and therefore since Elayne is inherently linked to it and I hate her too then I will not separate them in my mind. I'm interested to hear how precisely you think Ishara would have won Andor without the General and his troops who did the fighting and dying for her? I don't see why my disliking the rebirth scene is absurd? I don't see why my disliking the stupid mind games she played with Rand in her letters is absurd? I don't see why my dislike about her ridiculous blaming of Rand for her pregnancy is absurd? In fact I don't know why you feel my other reasons are absurd? Would you care to explain?
  8. Birgitte and Min (just to show my hatred of Elayne, Egwene, Nynaeve (due to her early abysmal characteristics outweighing her later better ones) and Fail (spelt deliberately wrong)) is based on their personalities rather than their gender. Thom, Tam Al'Thor (who is the coolest father ever IMO and who I like to model myself on inasmuch it is possible, with my 2 children.
  9. I'm one in the I hate Elayne camp although I've read all the arguments both for and against her and I won't go over them all again as they've been debated so well I don't think I can bring anything new to the existing points although I agree with most of the anti Elayne opinions. My dislike of her also stems from the following points which I don't remember having been put into the mix yet: Her 2 pathetic letters to Rand in the Stone, stupid girl mind games (caused by her age I know but I detest this stupid mind game emotional blackmail rubbish used by some young females which I've been on the end of in reality too, so it's not gonna change for make believe characters). Her ridiculous attitude that Andor is hers by some divine right just because her mother won some stupid succession where the woman who could link back their descendants on multiple inbred lines to a woman around 1000 years ago. Her comment about not accepting Andor from a man - he's the freaking Dragon (spelt with a capital for a reason) - the champion of light. This comment also shows her inherent sexism which makes me detest most of the women throughout the series. (As stated elsewhere I nearly stopped reading the whole series because of Nynaeve early on.) The above mentioned woman who seized an opportunity to get Artur Hawkwing's best general to win a kingdom which she and her descendants usurped from any male descendants (ie those who might be first in line for the throne ahead of any females - not that I agree with hereditary rights to inherit thrones though. It's just another example of women screwing over the men and the men not doing anything about it.) The General and his army who won the Kingdom for her were then promptly written almost completely out of history by Elayne and her kind. (The Nobles) Her pointless (to the story) pathetic rebirth "Avi is now my sister" scene. I just wanted to burn that chapter out of my mind. Pointless, pathetic rubbish in my opinion. How did it advance anything at all? What was the point in it? Just trying to tweak the readers emotions I think but as a man it was completely pointless to me. Her immaturity through most of the books (she can't do a lot about her age but since she's been trained to be a queen you'd think she'd have her immaturity under control better due to the teaching.) Her attitude that every last inch of Andor is hers despite the fact her mother was having trouble controlling some of it in the early books (the white and red ribbon thing in Book 1 etc) and therefore the fact that Rand set up the Black Tower to fight at Tarmon Gaidon taking over a TINY amount of Andorian land which was probably virtually uninhabited. Does she accept it with good grace for the greater good or even "keep my friends close or my enemies closer"? No she sets herself against it as soon as she can. Dumb ***** Her disrespect to Rand, despite knowing who he is. She might end up loving him but she treats him like dirt and an inferior when he's clearly not. Her attitude that all Angreal belong to the White Tower - yeah right. Her blaming Rand for everything about her pregnancy. She asked him for sex, therefore the fault of the pregnancy is hers considering as a farm boy with little to no experience of girls (as is rammed down our throats in the early books) Rand probably doesn't even know the risks of her getting pregnancy and doesn't know how to prevent it. Ergo, all her "This is all Rand's fault" thoughts are complete and utter garbage. She sees all men as tools, something to be used with no inherent worth as human beings apart from how they can further her goals. (She's not alone in this, most of the Aes Sedai do the same and my attitude towards them is similar for the same reason). Wow, I've wanted to do this for ages and never had the topic to do it on. Thanks OP! Summarizing why I think "die you b****, die die die" every time she appears in another chapter is very theraputic. Maybe I should go back and put my input into the Egwene one and I'll have to go looking for the Nynaeve one (if there is one) since although she improves in the later books, NOTHING she can ever do will make up for her horrendous attitudes in the early books. Sorry Nynaeve, although you put a lot of positives later on (for me a say a plus 9 on my imaginary scale) your negative 10 in the early books will always damn you in my eyes and I will celebrate every time you are made to look stupid, humbled and/or humiliated. The only thing that MIGHT redeem you is if you sacrifice yourself to save Rand's (no-one else) life in AMOL. *Breathes deeply and relaxes.
  10. Nynaeve from books 1 - 5 (No hesitation as I hated Nynaeve so much I during my first read through, I nearly stopped reading Wheel of Time because of her. I just can't stress enough how much I hated her.) Nynaeve from books 6ish onwards has improved so but my hatred of her earlier incarnation doesn't let her escape the list. Egwene - Obviously, no question. For me she took over from Nynaeve for my number 1 hate when Nynaeve improved. Elayne - Obviously again - I shout die die die every time she appears. Fail (spelled wrong deliberately) - Conniving spoiled brat who again I want to die in every scene she's in. Emperor Palpatine Anakin Skywalker for being a whiny spoiled brat and then falling to the darkside. Jar Jar Binks Primarch Lorgar, Erebus and Kor Phaeron from Warhammer 40K Father and Son Malfoy from Harry Potter Harry Potters Uncle Aunt and Cousin. Denethor from LOTR (although he was mad with grief in his defence) Stillson the bully from Ender's Game Biff Tannen from Back to the Future Denis Nedry the computer guy who releases all the dinos in Jurassic Park Ce'Nedra - spoiled little brat who did her best to ruin the Belgariad for me. Vladimir Harkonnen from Dune
  11. Yes it does. In your opinion, which isn't shared by everyone. Live and let live. Are you kidding me? Equally valued!? In Far Madding men have virtually no rights and aren't valued at all. In Andor a men can't be the leader of the country and succession is decided by how many female links that person has to the first Queen (who only won the throne due to her marriage to Souraine Maravaile, one of Artur Hawkwing's best generals but his contribution and indeed the army's contribution is ignored by Elaine and the other spoilt noblewomen who want to be Queen), and there's a place where if a woman kills a man it's fully legally justified unless it can be proved otherwise. I think it might be Ebou Dar but I'm not sure. I'm sure there are other things and places as well but I can't think of them at this moment. I realise this one sidedness and prejudice against men is part of the story so I don't let it wind me up as much as it did when I was younger, but I can't sit by while people try to claim men and women are equally valued in Randland. By the way I do know there are some countries where men and women are equally valued such as the borderlands, Cairhen and others.
  12. On a more humerous note - here's one for Rand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb-3seZSQ_Q
  13. For Rand when he's feeling exhausted and miserable prior to VOG:
  14. Fear of the Dark by Iron Maiden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nba3Tr_GLZU
  15. All of these you guys have quoted are just classic. To me Mat is the icing on the cake and can bring in some humour even to the most boring and tedious bits of the books. I liked the bit when he's courting Tuon and he brings the present, but gives it to Selicia instead. Absolute genius. I think most characters could be dropped from the books and their parts or lines given to others, but not Mat. Off with you, Joline. I need to write a letter to Her Royal bloody Majesty Queen Elayne the prim." Joline sniffed. "Are you going to swear at her too?" "Of course I am," Mat muttered, turning to go back to Thorn's tent. "How else is she going to trust that it's really from me?" The letter itself: our Royal Bloody Pain in My Back, We're bloody waiting here to talk to you, and we're getting angry perturbed. (That means angry.) Thom says that you're a queen now, but I figure that changes nothing, sense you acted like a queen all the time anyway. Don't forget that I carried halled your pretty little backside out of a hole in Tear, but you acted like a queen then, so I guess I don't know why I'm suprised now that you act like one when you really are a queen. So I'm thinking I should treat you like a bloody Queen and send you a bloody letter and all, speaking with high talk and getting your attention. I even used my ring as a signet, like it was paper proper. So here is my formal salutation. So BLOODY STOP TURNING ME AWAY so we can talk. I need your bellfounders. It's bloody important. —Mat p.s. Salutation means greeting. p.p.s. Don't mind the scratched out words and bad spellings. I was going to rewrite this letter, but Thom is laffing so hard at me that I want to be done. p.p.s. Don't mind me calling your backside pretty. I hardly ever spent any time looking at it, as I've an awareness that you'd pull my eyes out if you saw me. Besides, I'm married now, so that all doesn't matter. The crossouts didn't show up on the post. I can't find how to correct that. angry, paper, and carried were strikethroughs. After Moiraine expresses astonishment that Mat has married the Empress of Seanchan: "It was an accident." “Don’t fight over me,” he said. Tugging his coat was not making anyone let go. “There’s enough to go around.”
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