Wombat's A Song of Ice and Fire Mafia (Advanced) Game Thread

[hazelkrs1]

Ahhhh I see. I have to end my posts with /sarcasm for you to know I'm kidding. Noted.

 

/sarcasm

 

[keyholder21]

apparently.

 

/end sarcasm

 

 

/end spam

[Leelou]

I will be taking a 6 hour road trip today, so I might not see what happens at the end of D3 because I will have no internet access this afternoon.

 

All the fuss that is being made that the Lannisters have a QT and that you are trying to find out which people have QTs and which don't and basing your conclusions on that fact. You automatically assume that "X can communicate, therefore, X is a threat to my team". Not so true. We are on Day 3, with one faction for sure that we know can recruit (the cult) and other factions that people suspect of having a recruitment role. If we assume that this is true, then each faction could have potentially submitted 2 recruitment requests, meaning that people's factions could have changed between teams over this time period. If we assume that recruitment roles are in every faction, then doesn't having a QT actually DISADVANTAGE you? I say that because you have no idea who has been recruited by what faction, and if someone that you are supposedly "teammates" with is recruited by a different faction, yet still can communicate with their old teammates, you have chaos. How do you figure out where each person's allegiance truly lies? Alliances in the land of Westeros are always changing, and the movement of the players in this game could reflect that. After today, it's only going to get worse. Today's friend may indeed become tomorrow's enemy, and vice versa.

 

As for my vote, it is staying on Thorum for the time being. As stated by several people, a lazy vote three days in a row screams to me of someone not caring as to who they see killed, meaning that they are either unaligned or cult. Those are the only two roles that would make sense to me.

 

But I am open to a Leelou/Crusher vote as well. Dropping the hint that she would like to vote for me because she says that I can talk to my faction...

 

Right now, I like my vote on Thorum.

 

I could change to Razen for his comments about factions making it seem that he can talk to his faction.

 

Anyone else have anything to add? Every time this guy posts, its heaping pile of setup conjecture and theoretical assumptions that he can't and won't substantiate.

 

If you were doing half the reading you claim to be doing, you'd have known it was Vic suggesting I was cult, then again suggesting Thorum was cult. You'd have also realized that you are voting me, but then agreeing with the case I was making at teh time about Vic.

 

You may have also noticed the whole bit about Night Watch having a different win condition, and having a recruiter. You aren't playing the game based on the facts we have. You are playing it by filling in all the cracks between the facts, and nothing you are saying is vetted by fact, logic or reason. You are just making shit up and trying to convince people they should accept what is marginal probability, as fact.

 

Those of us that are in the know call that SWAGGER. Despo, who Ive nichnamed Dynamic D, has it. My only wish after this game is he will come play at JN.

 

Des has lots of swagger.

 

ROFLMAO @ bacon sizzle

 

Is Ape dead yet?

 

HAHA!

 

Crusher, is JN broken?

 

I would much rather lynch Thorum today.

 

I think we should kill you, since you also echoed my defense of Nolder - and so did Leelou. If you flip scum, then Leelou most surely will. See... I've got this theory about you and her doing a little chatting outside the game thread.

 

...and the fact that she's doing a LOT of cozying up to Crusher and echoing a lot of his statements. Teammates? Strong possibility. And why suggest voting for me for the reason that I can communicate when it's clear that you can communicate off thread as well? The fact that they are probably teammates means that one is as good as the other, IMO.

 

Bolding mine.

 

The first bit wasn't a hint. I'm quite tempted to vote you for the fact that it seems more and more clear that you can talk to your faction. I find this to be dangerous since it is likely you belong to a faction with a killing role. I've mentioned a few times that I cannot talk to my faction. LOL I'm echoing his statements? I said before going back and reviewing that I was leaning towards and Ape vote, but Thorum's voting pattern warranted my vote. Actually, you know what?

 

Unvote, vote Razen

[aemonkristen]

Why is Despothera saying Lannisters are "scum" when their list of enemies is the same as the Greyjoys except with Lannister/Greyjoy switched ?_?

 

Also I don't understand how Cult isn't a bad thing if everyone except maybe King in the Narrow Sea wants them dead.

 

Also also I don't understand the assumptions he's making (all factions can recruit?). I will agree that people making town/mafia arguments don't understand the game but you seem to be forgetting (ignoring?) that 2-3 factions are enemies with everyone else as far as we know.

 

I agree with this 100% and the fact that Crusher is on the same page and Leelou is cuddling up to Crusher makes me think they are all on the same team. I wouldn't b surprised if they are actually the Lannisters trying to lead everyone on a wild goose chase. I'm down with lynching any of the three today, so I'll put my vote on the one that has the most right now.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE DESPOTHERA

[Leelou]

If anything, Crusher is trying to cuddle up with me. Normally not a problem, but I see this as a way of him trying to take me down.

[John McClane]

@Key:

 

1.

2. Btw, I don't think timing of posts really has anything to do with parroting

3. I'm not assured that you're my enemy, but I did want to point out the people that defended Nol, cause well stuff like that is important. I don't think the "case" on you ("case" because in this game the lines are blurred) is nearly as strong as the one on Ape.

4. Notice how that was the 4th definition of discount? learn2pun :P

 

 

I'm still waiting for you to do this "pointing out people that defended Nolder" so far you are stuck on me, alone. So I'm calling bullshit on this statement until I see you do something other than myopically focus on me.

 

I was the first to stick my neck out for Nolder, and I did it when he wasn't really getting much heat. The premise you have embraced that I'd blatantly telegraph that I'm his teammate that early, for little reason is absurd. (It is very rare that the first person to get prodded in a new game on D1 ends up being the lynch. Ultimately, all I made that statement about him for was to dress up the fact that I didn't want to vote him. Period. You and others are manufacturing a lot more meaning that what is really there.)

 

I put it out there that I didn't think Nolder was vote-worthy.

 

Crusher and Leelou quickly agreed with me.

 

Nolder finally dies, and flips Lannister. Crusher uses Nolder's death as a setup on me. Crusher seems quite certain that Lannister = scum. I'm thinking Nolder was Crusher's teammate, possibly Leelou's and the play being made here is to eliminate me opportunistically to reap some benefit from losing Nolder.

[hazelkrs1]

Why is Despothera saying Lannisters are "scum" when their list of enemies is the same as the Greyjoys except with Lannister/Greyjoy switched ?_?

 

Also I don't understand how Cult isn't a bad thing if everyone except maybe King in the Narrow Sea wants them dead.

 

Also also I don't understand the assumptions he's making (all factions can recruit?). I will agree that people making town/mafia arguments don't understand the game but you seem to be forgetting (ignoring?) that 2-3 factions are enemies with everyone else as far as we know.

 

I agree with this 100% and the fact that Crusher is on the same page and Leelou is cuddling up to Crusher makes me think they are all on the same team. I wouldn't b surprised if they are actually the Lannisters trying to lead everyone on a wild goose chase. I'm down with lynching any of the three today, so I'll put my vote on the one that has the most right now.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE DESPOTHERA

 

Right. Nice attempt at rolling out some WIFOM. I'm on the same page with no one other than myself because I have no QT. And don't think we've forgotten that you are one of the ones who has admitted to having one.

[hazelkrs1]

@Key:

 

1.

2. Btw, I don't think timing of posts really has anything to do with parroting

3. I'm not assured that you're my enemy, but I did want to point out the people that defended Nol, cause well stuff like that is important. I don't think the "case" on you ("case" because in this game the lines are blurred) is nearly as strong as the one on Ape.

4. Notice how that was the 4th definition of discount? learn2pun :P

 

 

I'm still waiting for you to do this "pointing out people that defended Nolder" so far you are stuck on me, alone. So I'm calling bullshit on this statement until I see you do something other than myopically focus on me.

 

I was the first to stick my neck out for Nolder, and I did it when he wasn't really getting much heat. The premise you have embraced that I'd blatantly telegraph that I'm his teammate that early, for little reason is absurd. (It is very rare that the first person to get prodded in a new game on D1 ends up being the lynch. Ultimately, all I made that statement about him for was to dress up the fact that I didn't want to vote him. Period. You and others are manufacturing a lot more meaning that what is really there.)

 

I put it out there that I didn't think Nolder was vote-worthy.

 

Crusher and Leelou quickly agreed with me.

 

Nolder finally dies, and flips Lannister. Crusher uses Nolder's death as a setup on me. Crusher seems quite certain that Lannister = scum. I'm thinking Nolder was Crusher's teammate, possibly Leelou's and the play being made here is to eliminate me opportunistically to reap some benefit from losing Nolder.

 

First part of your post: In the first post where I pointed out the people I noticed defending Nol, I brought up you, Crusher, Leelou, and Key. Out of that group you seem to be the most pro-Lannister, and the most anxious to see others lynched. And Crusher has since come to suspect you, but don't think he's off my radar yet. Don't have much of a read on Leelou yet, which greatly irritates me, but eventually I'll figure it out Key just scares the bejeezus outta me.

 

Second part of your post: Seems like a big stretch. Smells of WIFOM dump to me

[John McClane]

@Key:

 

1.

2. Btw, I don't think timing of posts really has anything to do with parroting

3. I'm not assured that you're my enemy, but I did want to point out the people that defended Nol, cause well stuff like that is important. I don't think the "case" on you ("case" because in this game the lines are blurred) is nearly as strong as the one on Ape.

4. Notice how that was the 4th definition of discount? learn2pun :P

 

 

I'm still waiting for you to do this "pointing out people that defended Nolder" so far you are stuck on me, alone. So I'm calling bullshit on this statement until I see you do something other than myopically focus on me.

 

I was the first to stick my neck out for Nolder, and I did it when he wasn't really getting much heat. The premise you have embraced that I'd blatantly telegraph that I'm his teammate that early, for little reason is absurd. (It is very rare that the first person to get prodded in a new game on D1 ends up being the lynch. Ultimately, all I made that statement about him for was to dress up the fact that I didn't want to vote him. Period. You and others are manufacturing a lot more meaning that what is really there.)

 

I put it out there that I didn't think Nolder was vote-worthy.

 

Crusher and Leelou quickly agreed with me.

 

Nolder finally dies, and flips Lannister. Crusher uses Nolder's death as a setup on me. Crusher seems quite certain that Lannister = scum. I'm thinking Nolder was Crusher's teammate, possibly Leelou's and the play being made here is to eliminate me opportunistically to reap some benefit from losing Nolder.

 

First part of your post: In the first post where I pointed out the people I noticed defending Nol, I brought up you, Crusher, Leelou, and Key. Out of that group you seem to be the most pro-Lannister, and the most anxious to see others lynched. And Crusher has since come to suspect you, but don't think he's off my radar yet. Don't have much of a read on Leelou yet, which greatly irritates me, but eventually I'll figure it out Key just scares the bejeezus outta me.

 

Second part of your post: Seems like a big stretch. Smells of WIFOM dump to me

 

 

Crusher came at me BEFORE you did. He hasn't "since come to suspect me". You aren't even reading you pig.

 

I don't see anything I've done as pro-Lannister. That is the spin you are putting on it. We still do not know as of this moment whether or not Nolder was telling the truth about being able to talk to his faction or not. That's not pro-Lannister, it's pointing out the obvious. It also doesn't make me Lannister, nor does it make Lannister = scum.

 

Some factions might be able to speak with limited numbers, while others cannot with greater numbers and abilities. We have no idea how Wombat has reconciled balance in this game. For all the setup talk you've done, you haven't once said anything rooted in logic or reason. You accuse others of making stretch statements when your "I don't like to talk about setup posts" followed by 4 paragraphs of setup talk are a convolution of conjecture and ignorance of the few things we do know about this game so far.

 

I'm always an aggressive player. I'm not anxious to see anyone killed though. I use my vote and my charming personality to push for information... and stick my neck out pretty damn far, no matter my role or alignment, to get it.

[hotpocket2006]

I still like the Thorum lynch right now. Mindlessly bandwagoning on Day 1, ...

I was the first vote on Tina. If I'm quilty because I bandwagonned day 1, look at the other people who voted her.

 

Actually, you left out my whole quote. Interesting that you only quote half of it to spin it your way. Glad I caught that one I said mindlessly bandwagoning on Day 1, maybe day 2, is okay. But doing it on Day three, when there are plenty of reasons, is ridiculous. So thank you for misquoting me. It just adds to my point.

 

 

Also I lost the other quote, I think it was Desp who said something, but I said mindlessly bandwagoning, ie being to lazy to play or not caring, is not okay. Everyone I have seen on Thorum's wagon, thus far, has agreed with my reasoning and even added onto it. Thorum's bandwagoning was lazy and half assed.

[Thorum]

I misinterpreted that

[hotpocket2006]

I misinterpreted that

 

[hazelkrs1]

Crusher came at me BEFORE you did. He hasn't "since come to suspect me". You aren't even reading you pig.

 

"Since come to suspect you" as in since he initially agreed with you and defended Nolder, you warthog-faced buffoon.

 

I don't see anything I've done as pro-Lannister. That is the spin you are putting on it. We still do not know as of this moment whether or not Nolder was telling the truth about being able to talk to his faction or not. That's not pro-Lannister, it's pointing out the obvious. It also doesn't make me Lannister, nor does it make Lannister = scum.

 

Blah blah blah it's just back and forth. You jump around different points trying to evade like Ali, but the fact is you defended Nolder. Who turned out to be a Lannister. And you question and contest the "scuminess" of Lannisters openly. Yet I'm spinning somehow

 

Some factions might be able to speak with limited numbers, while others cannot with greater numbers and abilities. We have no idea how Wombat has reconciled balance in this game. For all the setup talk you've done, you haven't once said anything rooted in logic or reason. You accuse others of making stretch statements when your "I don't like to talk about setup posts" followed by 4 paragraphs of setup talk are a convolution of conjecture and ignorance of the few things we do know about this game so far.

 

I don't think it's that awful to have setup talk in games, especially after a couple of days, and especially when a little setup talk is essential to showing what kind of path we should be taking for "town" victory (read: all Lannisters dead, to start off with )

 

As for the rest, all you're still trying to do is to dismiss my stance as that of some foolish backup who stumbled into the game and never understood what he was reading. Dismiss all you want, it's clear that I've done my homework. So get off your High Horse and go ahead and drop the act.

 

And btw, one thing I recently reread upon, and yes after checking through certain parts it seems Vic is much more likely to be Cult than you or most other people in the limelight (don't really see the cult connection that someone else made personally). But as I said before, with a night which more than likely faces another round of multiple kills, the cult doesn't worry me as much as it would in a regular game. For now I'm completely happy taking as many Lannisters to the grave with me as possible

 

I'm always an aggressive player. I'm not anxious to see anyone killed though. I use my vote and my charming personality to push for information... and stick my neck out pretty damn far, no matter my role or alignment, to get it.

 

So you "use" your vote by flip-flopping in OMGUS fashion, and use your... "charming"... personality to... "push" for information.

 

 

 

 

Good Lord, no wonder you're terrible at this game!

[hazelkrs1]

Grrrrrr after

 

don't really see the cult connection that someone else made

 

it's supposed to say "about Thorum"

 

*grumble grumble*

[Sakaea]

Christine, oh stump-ish one, are you Shai? Or another character of a whore-ish persuasion?

 

 

Not even close, my dear.

 

 

I am surprised there is not more support for an Ape lynch.

 

Ok, I had a random thought, and thought I would ask.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Re-reading now. Will share shortly.

[Paperblade]

I still don't get why Des is tunneling on the Lannisters when the Greyjoy wincon is basically identical.

[Vicious89x]

I misinterpreted that

 

 

<3 <3

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

WAH! I wanna vote.

 

 

Also, Pats, you are so jelly bro.

 

 

I do agree that the Ape was defending Nolder, and they were seriously buddying, but who the hell would defend Tyrion?!

 

 

Also, Aiel, I love you, but it's not safe for you here. People are dying in here. Insanity has ensued. PEOPLE ARE FLINGING POOP!

 

*offers popcorn* But, if you are gonna stay, come and enjoy the show.

 

I like the fact your offering your opinions and staying true to the game. Would like you to vote and even though WWWWombat may not count it will have an influence. At least with me.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

WAH! I wanna vote.

 

 

Also, Pats, you are so jelly bro.

 

 

I do agree that the Ape was defending Nolder, and they were seriously buddying, but who the hell would defend Tyrion?!

 

 

Also, Aiel, I love you, but it's not safe for you here. People are dying in here. Insanity has ensued. PEOPLE ARE FLINGING POOP!

 

*offers popcorn* But, if you are gonna stay, come and enjoy the show.

 

 

Nolder was in a faction.

 

If I was in the same faction, and did know who he was, I feel Wombat would have indicated that in the coroner's report. Making it more clear that one faction is a more traditional scum team that can in fact talk offline.

 

All this Ape was defending Nolder crap is logically flawed. Nobody is using their brains and the information we have available to us about factions.

 

You lost me. What are you trying to say in the bold?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

The way the Ape is trying to spin everything I would say he has some unique win condition or a pretty important role to his team. The way he's playing reeks of cult to me, I'm saying this based off of gut instinct.

 

Many play off gut instinct as you will see.

[John E. Kelley]

The way the Ape is trying to spin everything I would say he has some unique win condition or a pretty important role to his team. The way he's playing reeks of cult to me, I'm saying this based off of gut instinct.

 

Many play off gut instinct as you will see.

 

It is known.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

You know, our number one concern should be the Cult. Agreed, look at the lurkers. They are probably waiting for all of the rest of us to fight each other off.

 

 

More and more, I see Daeny being Cult.

 

Why?

[John E. Kelley]

You know, our number one concern should be the Cult. Agreed, look at the lurkers. They are probably waiting for all of the rest of us to fight each other off.

 

 

More and more, I see Daeny being Cult.

 

Why?

 

Probably because Daeny was cult in Kiv's game iirc. Not that that should mean anything in this one.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

About to get ready for work, and I know how you people get while I'm at work. By the time I get home D3 may be over.

 

I can usually check in briefly on my phone during lunch, but it's difficult to make posts of much substance that way, so in case I can't spend much time on it later...

 

I'm OK with a Thorum lynch if it comes down to it. I suspect he's a Greyjoy, based on his interactions with Soy D1 (when Tina called Soy out as hinting he was a Greyjoy), and his agreement with Amega's extremely weak case against Ape D2.

 

I'm OK with the Ape train as well, because of his reaction to the train on him yesterday. He was making a lot of weak arguments and accusations. His insistence that he would never have defended Nolder if he was a teammate doesn't mean much to me, to be honest. You can say whatever you like about what you would and would not have done, if it gets you out of a lynch. I still think he's a Lannister, until proven otherwise.

 

My vote's still on Vic right now because I actually agree with what Ape said about him -- he suggested Ape was cult, then when he switched his vote to Thorum he suggested *he* was cult... I think Ape's probably a Lannister, and I think Thorum's probably a Greyjoy... Vic is a better candidate for cult than either of them the way I see it.

 

There are others who still seem to be laying low, and I'm interested in pushing them a bit also. Most of them are probably unaligned survivors staying out of the fray. They're expendable in the war between the factions, but they're also a good place for cult to hide, so... yeah. No matter what Despo says about possible protection from being recruited, it worries me a bit. I agree with Christine here, they're just sitting back and growing their numbers while the factions pick one another off.

 

The Greyjoys and Lannisters are enemies of everyone except the Night's Watch and unaligned survivors (except perhaps factions that haven't been revealed at all yet), so I'm fine with killing one of them, and will switch my vote later if needed.

 

I agree with most of this post. My gut says Vic. I have seen him play many a game and whenever he plays the mock emo routine he has something to hide. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Vic is bored. Maybe the set up has him feeling the need for others to figure it out for him. Maybe he's really doesn't feel comfortable here. I like my vote here and encourage all others to do the same.

 

As we move closer to the deadline I could move to the Ape. Not because, some claimed he defended Nolder but mainly to determine his alignment and we can evaluate the people who pushed his train and the people who defended. He's a lightening rod who illuminates the actions of others.

 

On Thorum, I'm less inclined. Weak argument to vote the Ape but its the Ape. Not sure we get enough intel with his lynch.