Wombat's A Song of Ice and Fire Mafia (Advanced) Game Thread

[John McClane]

Alright. You know what. Here is a reveal.

 

 

I am in a faction, and I have no idea who else is in it.

 

This post stinks. I dont buy this reveal at all. Its way to convenient to claim you do not know your Teammates, but are on a faction. Right after discussion of, if all factions are aware of each other. I want to see what you are hiding, by making this flimsy reveal. Vote Christine.

 

As for lynching inactivity, I dont know if I am ready to head down that road yet, I would rather give the Mod time to replace them if they cant stay active.

 

 

So, Trench, in a discussion on the topic of whether faction members are aware of each other you find it suspicious that someone responds that they, in fact, do not know who their faction members are? That logic has a few wholes in it. That said, there is only one faction that I see being in that situation: unaligned survivor. Since I am curious to find out if that is the case and probably won't trust her if she says that's what she is...

 

VOTE CHRISTINE

 

Also keeping my eye on Trench for that seriously flawed logic.

 

On the re-read from Day 2. Trench's logic made absolutely zero sense and its a discussion I would like to return to.

 

Vote: Trench

 

Zero sense? I already said it once, just because you dont agree with the post, does not make the logic faulty. I saw a claim I did not buy and I voted for it. What more is there to talk about.

 

Also I dont like the Ape train going on right now. Both night kills point to 2 factions setting up Ape for an easy kill, and I would bet money that the people who sent those kills in already have teammates on Ape's train.

 

 

Completely agree. Nolder because I "defended" him. Amega is obvious and I'm actually the only one to vote Verbal.

 

Definitely smelling an applewood smoked setup...

 

Vote Crusher

[John McClane]

Vote Crusher

[The Crusher]

 

The potential for Nolder to be getting lynched just cause he is Nolder is always their. At the point these post where made I DID agree with Ape. When Nolder flipped Lannister I changed my tune. At JN Crusher and Ape brawling is normal.

 

 

Yeah, this dawned on me while I was walking to my office just now.

 

You were the first to agree with me about Nolder's post sounding "townie", which could have been you using my stupid inclination to say every thought out loud to protect YOUR own teammate in Nolder... and now that he turns up dead you are immediately using my so-called "defense" of him against me.

 

That or you killed Nolder to frame me.

 

The way you've come out on this day phase against me, it definitely feels manufactured. Like a setup.

 

Of course it does. Anytime anyone does anything towards you it feels made up.

 

 

As usual you get pressure and tell me it's made up as you make up a story to enforce your point. Your grasping Im not lannister. You jumped in to defend Nolder, I only agreed with you. Then when Nolder flipped I assumed you guys are on the same team.

Thats it nothing more nothing less.

[keyholder21]

First:

 

Key comes out to semi-defend Nol, attacking Red's case at the same time. Key has me worried this game, there were a couple of other posts I didn't grab cause I was already pulling so many, but at one point she came on thread to admonish an inactive, when she's been fairly inactive as well. Add to that the fact that she also brought back up the whole greyjoy argument right when more people were starting to pay attention to Nol. Strong FOS so far at everyone I've quoted.

 

It wasn’t a defense of nol; it was a prod at Red. Saying she was overlooking some of the bigger problems to focus on nol. Felt like she was trying to protect a teammate that had received some heat.

 

Bolded - Are you kidding me Des? I'm definitely in the 10 most active people this game - not at the top of that list, sure, but go back and look at the list of who's posted the most, you'll find I'm closer to the top than the middle or the bottom.

 

If you're referring to specifically yesterday, DM was down when I finally had a few minutes to look at my mafia games, so yeah, I couldn't post yesterday.

 

I also didn't "bring back" the argument. It was still being talked about, so that's why I decided to weigh in. You should get things straight before you post...

 

....like quoting the death scene of nolder and then voting for him .

 

And now I'll go back through and reread to see who I should focus on today.

[John McClane]

 

The potential for Nolder to be getting lynched just cause he is Nolder is always their. At the point these post where made I DID agree with Ape. When Nolder flipped Lannister I changed my tune. At JN Crusher and Ape brawling is normal.

 

 

Yeah, this dawned on me while I was walking to my office just now.

 

You were the first to agree with me about Nolder's post sounding "townie", which could have been you using my stupid inclination to say every thought out loud to protect YOUR own teammate in Nolder... and now that he turns up dead you are immediately using my so-called "defense" of him against me.

 

That or you killed Nolder to frame me.

 

The way you've come out on this day phase against me, it definitely feels manufactured. Like a setup.

 

Now if I were team mates with him, I would never be that blatant. No experienced mafia player would.

 

However, a coy mafia player that's been around a while, would certainly piggy-back my willingness to stick my neck out for Nolder in order to protect him if he was in fact a team mate of his.

 

What you did resonates much more like team mate play, than what I did.

 

Of course it does. Anytime anyone does anything towards you it feels made up.

 

 

As usual you get pressure and tell me it's made up as you make up a story to enforce your point. Your grasping Im not lannister. You jumped in to defend Nolder, I only agreed with you. Then when Nolder flipped I assumed you guys are on the same team.

Thats it nothing more nothing less.

 

Edited to remove my reply from the quote (I also left it above):

 

Now if I were team mates with him, I would never be that blatant. No experienced mafia player would.

 

However, a coy mafia player that's been around a while, would certainly piggy-back my willingness to stick my neck out for Nolder in order to protect him if he was in fact a team mate of his.

 

What you did resonates much more like team mate play, than what I did.

 

Of course it does. Anytime anyone does anything towards you it feels made up.

[John McClane]

First:

 

Key comes out to semi-defend Nol, attacking Red's case at the same time. Key has me worried this game, there were a couple of other posts I didn't grab cause I was already pulling so many, but at one point she came on thread to admonish an inactive, when she's been fairly inactive as well. Add to that the fact that she also brought back up the whole greyjoy argument right when more people were starting to pay attention to Nol. Strong FOS so far at everyone I've quoted.

 

It wasn’t a defense of nol; it was a prod at Red. Saying she was overlooking some of the bigger problems to focus on nol. Felt like she was trying to protect a teammate that had received some heat.

 

Bolded - Are you kidding me Des? I'm definitely in the 10 most active people this game - not at the top of that list, sure, but go back and look at the list of who's posted the most, you'll find I'm closer to the top than the middle or the bottom.

 

If you're referring to specifically yesterday, DM was down when I finally had a few minutes to look at my mafia games, so yeah, I couldn't post yesterday.

 

I also didn't "bring back" the argument. It was still being talked about, so that's why I decided to weigh in. You should get things straight before you post...

 

....like quoting the death scene of nolder and then voting for him .

 

And now I'll go back through and reread to see who I should focus on today.

 

 

Despo lost any credibility he brought to the game as soon as he did a complete 180 going from "I want to focus on inactives" (even though you and I are the ones he targeted) to basically having a hard-on for bullying my train forward. His actions contradict his statements.

[Razen]

Zero sense? I already said it once, just because you dont agree with the post, does not make the logic faulty. I saw a claim I did not buy and I voted for it. What more is there to talk about.

 

Also I dont like the Ape train going on right now. Both night kills point to 2 factions setting up Ape for an easy kill, and I would bet money that the people who sent those kills in already have teammates on Ape's train.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it this way. The very first thing that I thought after seeing the kills pop up was that it was way too obvious that the dead people were those Ape had picked out (for lack of a better term). No experienced player would be so blatantly obvious as to who they had killed, which definitely leads me to believe that it's a setup lynch of some sort. And if TWO teams are working to get him out of the game, I'm definitely sensing that they can at least communicate within their ranks, which does not bode well for the rest of us. Those on the train right now would be my best bet for a vote.

[The Crusher]

 

The potential for Nolder to be getting lynched just cause he is Nolder is always their. At the point these post where made I DID agree with Ape. When Nolder flipped Lannister I changed my tune. At JN Crusher and Ape brawling is normal.

 

 

Yeah, this dawned on me while I was walking to my office just now.

 

You were the first to agree with me about Nolder's post sounding "townie", which could have been you using my stupid inclination to say every thought out loud to protect YOUR own teammate in Nolder... and now that he turns up dead you are immediately using my so-called "defense" of him against me.

 

That or you killed Nolder to frame me.

 

The way you've come out on this day phase against me, it definitely feels manufactured. Like a setup.

 

Now if I were team mates with him, I would never be that blatant. No experienced mafia player would.

 

However, a coy mafia player that's been around a while, would certainly piggy-back my willingness to stick my neck out for Nolder in order to protect him if he was in fact a team mate of his.

 

What you did resonates much more like team mate play, than what I did.

 

Of course it does. Anytime anyone does anything towards you it feels made up.

 

 

As usual you get pressure and tell me it's made up as you make up a story to enforce your point. Your grasping Im not lannister. You jumped in to defend Nolder, I only agreed with you. Then when Nolder flipped I assumed you guys are on the same team.

Thats it nothing more nothing less.

 

Edited to remove my reply from the quote (I also left it above):

 

Now if I were team mates with him, I would never be that blatant. No experienced mafia player would.

 

However, a coy mafia player that's been around a while, would certainly piggy-back my willingness to stick my neck out for Nolder in order to protect him if he was in fact a team mate of his.

 

What you did resonates much more like team mate play, than what I did.

 

Of course it does. Anytime anyone does anything towards you it feels made up.

 

 

Blatant? I agree with that you where overt and yes would have been an awesome play on my part but what reason would I have to set you up? That part makes no sense. Don;t get me wrong, killing you is one of the reason I play, but that being said I only make plays to help my team win. Many a game I back off you when I think it;s not the right play for the game.

 

I really had no beef with you till Nolder flipped. Funny enough your can say the same about me.

[John McClane]

Zero sense? I already said it once, just because you dont agree with the post, does not make the logic faulty. I saw a claim I did not buy and I voted for it. What more is there to talk about.

 

Also I dont like the Ape train going on right now. Both night kills point to 2 factions setting up Ape for an easy kill, and I would bet money that the people who sent those kills in already have teammates on Ape's train.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it this way. The very first thing that I thought after seeing the kills pop up was that it was way too obvious that the dead people were those Ape had picked out (for lack of a better term). No experienced player would be so blatantly obvious as to who they had killed, which definitely leads me to believe that it's a setup lynch of some sort. And if TWO teams are working to get him out of the game, I'm definitely sensing that they can at least communicate within their ranks, which does not bode well for the rest of us. Those on the train right now would be my best bet for a vote.

 

Well, Amega was a killer - so, he probably shot Verbal or Nolder.

 

If he shot Verbal, it wouldn't have taken much to point at the fact that I was the only one to vote Verbal. But that is flimsy.

 

I'm assuming Amega shot Nolder, Amega mentioned multiple times he wanted to judge me based on how Nolder flipped. Amega is gone, and Crusher seems to be carrying the torch for him now. Doesn't mean Crusher is aligned with Amega. It does mean Crusher is being opportunistic. Nolder flipped Lannister, not scum. We don't know for fact that Nolder could talk to his teammates. Because of this, Crusher is pushing the unsubstantiated and illogical conclusion that Lannisters are the closest thing to scum. With no basis. This is a huge ping.

 

Crusher should be the lynch, without question. He's much too smart to believe what he's saying in order to sustain this play against me right now.

[J.W.]

Jets fans are delusional though,

 

I really miss Red.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Ape(5): Vicious, Crusher, PatsFanTX, Despothera, JF80

JF80(1): bgrishinko

Vicious(1): Songstress

trench(1): not Bob

Crusher(1): Ape

 

With 24 voting players, it takes 13 to lynch.

 

Deadline set for Saturday, February 25 at 1 PM EST.

[Vicious89x]

The way the Ape is trying to spin everything I would say he has some unique win condition or a pretty important role to his team. The way he's playing reeks of cult to me, I'm saying this based off of gut instinct.

[John McClane]

The way the Ape is trying to spin everything I would say he has some unique win condition or a pretty important role to his team. The way he's playing reeks of cult to me, I'm saying this based off of gut instinct.

 

 

What am I spinning?

[Thorum]

Ape

For reasons explained the previous day, but mostly for editting.

[John McClane]

Ape

For reasons explained the previous day, but mostly for editting.

 

Wow.

[Vicious89x]

The way the Ape is trying to spin everything I would say he has some unique win condition or a pretty important role to his team. The way he's playing reeks of cult to me, I'm saying this based off of gut instinct.

 

 

What am I spinning?

 

You seem to be slapping anyone who disagrees with you as being vote worthy and the case on crusher is wishful thinking at best. I see his vote on you as a throwaway vote with the reasoning that you killed his bro and he wants to string you up like he does every other game.

 

We are two very different players. I'm playing on pure instinct right now.

[bgrishinko]

I'm willing to go with you on this Songstress.

 

Unvote: Vote Vic

[J.W.]

Ape

For reasons explained the previous day, but mostly for editting.

 

Can I vote Thorum first and then Unvote Ape. Will that work?

[The Crusher]

The way the Ape is trying to spin everything I would say he has some unique win condition or a pretty important role to his team. The way he's playing reeks of cult to me, I'm saying this based off of gut instinct.

 

 

What am I spinning?

 

Your making all these hypotheticals when all your being given are nothing more than observations. My statement was simple. Nolder was being Nolder, he got heat, you defended him and I agreed. He flipped Lannister and I assumed you where too. I feel like they are the closes thing we have to scum in this game based on the info given. That all I got and thats all I gave.

 

You then went on to start spinning tales of deceit and hypotheitcal plays nobody made to solidify your position and get me lynched because I called you on this. Thats all.

[John McClane]

The way the Ape is trying to spin everything I would say he has some unique win condition or a pretty important role to his team. The way he's playing reeks of cult to me, I'm saying this based off of gut instinct.

 

 

What am I spinning?

 

You seem to be slapping anyone who disagrees with you as being vote worthy and the case on crusher is wishful thinking at best. I see his vote on you as a throwaway vote with the reasoning that you killed his bro and he wants to string you up like he does every other game.

 

We are two very different players. I'm playing on pure instinct right now.

 

How is that any different than normal for me? You still haven't explained how/what I am spinning.

 

Oh, and I never rely on instinct.

 

You and I are different players. I'm the one that is usually reliant on instinct, while you, you rely on reasoning and strategy. So this is out of character for you, the way I see it.

 

So let's talk about reasoning and strategy... In a 30+ player game, I would imagine whatever cult is in this game has spent the better part of it lurking and staying off the radar, like you did earlier, not jumping out front and pushing everyone's buttons, as I have done.

[John McClane]

The way the Ape is trying to spin everything I would say he has some unique win condition or a pretty important role to his team. The way he's playing reeks of cult to me, I'm saying this based off of gut instinct.

 

 

What am I spinning?

 

Your making all these hypotheticals when all your being given are nothing more than observations. My statement was simple. Nolder was being Nolder, he got heat, you defended him and I agreed. He flipped Lannister and I assumed you where too. I feel like they are the closes thing we have to scum in this game based on the info given. That all I got and thats all I gave.

 

You then went on to start spinning tales of deceit and hypotheitcal plays nobody made to solidify your position and get me lynched because I called you on this. Thats all.

 

I asked Vic. He said I was spinning, I want him to back up his own accusation. I don't give a crap what you have to say dude.

[Christine]

You know, our number one concern should be the Cult. Agreed, look at the lurkers. They are probably waiting for all of the rest of us to fight each other off.

 

 

More and more, I see Daeny being Cult.

[Vicious89x]

The way the Ape is trying to spin everything I would say he has some unique win condition or a pretty important role to his team. The way he's playing reeks of cult to me, I'm saying this based off of gut instinct.

 

 

What am I spinning?

 

You seem to be slapping anyone who disagrees with you as being vote worthy and the case on crusher is wishful thinking at best. I see his vote on you as a throwaway vote with the reasoning that you killed his bro and he wants to string you up like he does every other game.

 

We are two very different players. I'm playing on pure instinct right now.

 

How is that any different than normal for me? You still haven't explained how/what I am spinning.

 

Oh, and I never rely on instinct.

 

You and I are different players. I'm the one that is usually reliant on instinct, while you, you rely on reasoning and strategy. So this is out of character for you, the way I see it.

 

So let's talk about reasoning and strategy... In a 30+ player game, I would imagine whatever cult is in this game has spent the better part of it lurking and staying off the radar, like you did earlier, not jumping out front and pushing everyone's buttons, as I have done.

 

I'm not going to go and bring up every post. The crusher case is enough of a spin case. When I say "spin" i mean you take someones post (like mine) and throw back at the person and be like NO YOU'RE WRONG WE SHOULD LYNCH YOU. Which you just so happened to do with my case. So you proved my point by just replying back in the fashion you did.

 

Disagree. I've played as cult before and done it by leading. Your defense is the best defense for a cult member to have, as it is a pure WIFOM that goes against logic and most people tend to fall for.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Ape(5): Vicious, Crusher, Despothera, JF80, Thorum

Vicious(2): Songstress, bgrishinko

trench(1): not Bob

Crusher(1): Ape

[Paperblade]

vote aemon

 

I find it interesting you thought trench's logic was awful but decided to sheep anyway