Wombat's Basic Mafia v. 2.0.1

[SBoydW]

So lets review what has happened since I last checked this thread.

 

Amadine declares that my casing of Amega is the most logical so far and votes accordingly.

 

Soy agrees with the logic but his gut says no. Those who go with their gut against logic are logically gutted.

 

Red pulls an Amega and votes me OMGUS declaring that her reasons are TO BE CONTINUED.... Funny thing is I didn't even really vote her, I never unvoted (as the Mod pointed out) but my current vote is on Amega, yet Red still takes offense? Maybe it is because I've pointed out the discrepancy in her behavior? You see, Red typically comes out guns blazing with some rather effective (albeit TLDR) casings when she is town.

 

In this game she's holding back....but Amega's silence speaks louder than anything right now.

 

Nice word play... As I've told red though. Bulldogging and badgering me doesn't work. I tend to laugh in the face of those who attempt it. Seeing as how I'm not sure if that was such an attempt though I shal refrain from said laughter.

 

*laughs*

 

I lied...

[Myndrunner]

Soy agrees with the logic but his gut says no. Those who go with their gut against logic are logically gutted.

 

Nice word play... As I've told red though. Bulldogging and badgering me doesn't work. I tend to laugh in the face of those who attempt it. Seeing as how I'm not sure if that was such an attempt though I shal refrain from said laughter.

 

*laughs*

 

I lied...

 

How is that bulldogging? Don't you mean Pitbulling? *snark*

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Myndrunner (2): mmeeshal, Red2111

Levity (2): Christine, Mr. Soy Boyo

Red2111 (1): Thorum

Christine (1): Sakaea

Aemon (1): amegakure

amegakure (2): Myndrunner, Amadine

 

7 to lynch

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&year=2012&month=1&day=18&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p0=43

[Sakaea]

@ Mynd: thanks. I think I get mistaken for a guy online almost as much as I did when I had short hair

[mmeeshal]

So, care to chime in on anything else that occurred in this game?

A bit.

 

I thought Thorum's post where he voted Red was a bit odd. Wanting to keep trains at equal length seems innocuous enough a reason, since I think he was saying that it looked like Levity was going to be the prevailing lynch candidate and he thought it was a bit early for that (personal interpretation there XD), but his first statement that lynching Red would give information on Myndrunner and Boyo didn't make as much sense to me. More accurately, I suppose, he said that Mynd and Boyo were behaving strangely concerning Red. Regardless, I'm not really seeing it.

 

Mynd can squeeze some good stuff out of people's posts, I'll grant him that, but I think sometimes he makes a big deal out of nothing, or gives false representations of what's going on as part of his accusations toward other people. It's distracting, in those instances.

 

For example, I always find Amega scummy, so I can see the objections people are having to his comments, BUT, Mynd's comment about him here (post 79):

"He then embarrasses himself by admitting he didn't see any reason for voting Red or Levity, essentially outing that he hasn't read anyone's argument about why they are both at 3 votes a piece. Any town player with any sense would be dissecting these two cases all day long, and casing those who voted for them. Instead, Amega shrugs them both off. "

 

I thought was a bit inaccurate. At this point in time, I believe 2 of the Levity votes were joke votes, and one was "to make things interesting" (competing trains). Red had only 2 votes, one being a joke and one being "because of Mynd and Boyo's strange behavior and to even out the trains."

 

What cases are there, really (at this point in time)? It was all about joke votes and competing trains. But Mynd makes it sound like Amega's a lazy townie or scum, because there was ample information to be gleaned and plenty of reason for votes and he was ignoring it all...when in reality, much of the information to be gleaned was from the discussion ABOUT the votes (in which neither Levity nor Red was taking part).

 

It's that kind of twisting and false information that I really dislike.

[Levity]

Mynd, I'm saying this nicely: I don't wish to be personally insulted. This isn't about emotions, it's about being mindful of a new player that doesn't know you, and you don't even know her. This "everyone knows my playstyle so I can do whatever I please" attitude is balderdash to me (and hypocritical considering you don't even know my playstyle so where does that leave me?) because, again, I do not know you, I have anxiety issues, and I'm not used to your playstyle. At least give me a chance to get used to it without directly insulting my intelligence.

[Levity]

Anyway, good night. I'll offer more of my thoughts in the morning. Thank you.

[aemonkristen]

I hereby give leave for everyone to insult my intelligence. I have been married for 12 years, so I'm used to it.

[Amadine]

Light man! you can get less for murder!!! (i've been married 13 yrs i hear ya LOL)

[Myndrunner]

Mynd, I'm saying this nicely: I don't wish to be personally insulted. This isn't about emotions, it's about being mindful of a new player that doesn't know you, and you don't even know her. This "everyone knows my playstyle so I can do whatever I please" attitude is balderdash to me (and hypocritical considering you don't even know my playstyle so where does that leave me?) because, again, I do not know you, I have anxiety issues, and I'm not used to your playstyle. At least give me a chance to get used to it without directly insulting my intelligence.

 

(Out of Character) If this really is a problem, I will be happy to discuss this further outside of this thread. Anything posted in this thread is to be taken as gameplay only, and never personal. Anything discussed privately outside of this game will be taken seriously and handled kindly. I'm really not a bad guy at all, honest. Ask around. Whatever they say is a lie! ;)

 

Please remember, this is just a game.

 

* * * *

(In game)

 

I was not attacking you or your intelligence, I was questioning your post and the verbage. Your response made little sense and it seemed to me like you were fluffing your post to make it sound convincing but when you boil it down, you were defending Amega, a player that you should have no idea of his alignment. Votes have shifted, but until Amega swooped in, you were one of two lynch trains building. Then, you put words in his mouth. If that's not defending, then I don't know what is.

 

So, enough of this "Mynd the Meanyhead" gambit, I refuse to let it distract the town from your blatant covering for Amega.

[Thorum]

I'll unvote and vote Mynd.

 

My reasoning has been given by mmeesh:

 

Mynd can squeeze some good stuff out of people's posts, I'll grant him that, but I think sometimes he makes a big deal out of nothing, or gives false representations of what's going on as part of his accusations toward other people. It's distracting, in those instances.

This is his way of playing, but I believe (as I always have) that it is more often counter-productive, since he wants accusations of his to finish into a lynch, whether or not they touch solid ground. I played like that in the beginning too, so no offense. It just isn't the good way of playing mafia, so it warrants my vote.

 

As to the "amega-case": it all sums up to him/her being human. I've never played with amega, so don't know how he/she plays, but I've seen stranger behavior before.

 

 

I thought Thorum's post where he voted Red was a bit odd. Wanting to keep trains at equal length seems innocuous enough a reason, since I think he was saying that it looked like Levity was going to be the prevailing lynch candidate and he thought it was a bit early for that (personal interpretation there XD)

Correct interpretation.

[Myndrunner]

 

I thought Thorum's post where he voted Red was a bit odd. Wanting to keep trains at equal length seems innocuous enough a reason, since I think he was saying that it looked like Levity was going to be the prevailing lynch candidate and he thought it was a bit early for that (personal interpretation there XD), but his first statement that lynching Red would give information on Myndrunner and Boyo didn't make as much sense to me. More accurately, I suppose, he said that Mynd and Boyo were behaving strangely concerning Red. Regardless, I'm not really seeing it.

 

We are doing a lot of assuming here, letting people off the hook for casual votes they made with the vaguest of reasons. Soy and Thorum both voted Levity and Red respectively with little reason other than keeping things interesting. Both Soy and Thorum have been sitting back in this game, and I don't see how Red's lynch would say anything about me or Boyo. One could argue that Levity's lynch could say a lot about Thorum with that logic.

 

Mynd can squeeze some good stuff out of people's posts, I'll grant him that, but I think sometimes he makes a big deal out of nothing, or gives false representations of what's going on as part of his accusations toward other people. It's distracting, in those instances.

Actually, as you have personally experienced, beating the grass is quite effective. 60% of the time it works everytime. I never give false representations of what is going on, only theories on what I believe is going on. I present them to the town and let them decide for themselves if they buy it or not.

 

Besides, it got you to come out of your shell. You are casing now. That's wonderful!

 

For example, I always find Amega scummy, so I can see the objections people are having to his comments, BUT, Mynd's comment about him here (post 79):

"He then embarrasses himself by admitting he didn't see any reason for voting Red or Levity, essentially outing that he hasn't read anyone's argument about why they are both at 3 votes a piece. Any town player with any sense would be dissecting these two cases all day long, and casing those who voted for them. Instead, Amega shrugs them both off. "

 

I thought was a bit inaccurate. At this point in time, I believe 2 of the Levity votes were joke votes, and one was "to make things interesting" (competing trains). Red had only 2 votes, one being a joke and one being "because of Mynd and Boyo's strange behavior and to even out the trains."

First, there is never such a thing as a joke vote. Even on "Day 1 Randomness" there is always a play. Believe me when I say that the mafia are well aware of what they are doing from their first post. Are we truly going to ignore this?

 

Second, there were strong arguments being made for both Levity and Red at this point, but Amega swooped in, ignoring both, and voted AK for vague reasons, not even bothering to read page 4. Only after pressed by AK does he make a scrambled attempt to defend himself, saying he wanted to keep us from being distracted by distracting us. He didn't want us to be laser focused on one or two players, so he's gonna keep his vote on AK and refuse to remove it like a pitbull. On what planet does that make sense?

 

What cases are there, really (at this point in time)? It was all about joke votes and competing trains. But Mynd makes it sound like Amega's a lazy townie or scum, because there was ample information to be gleaned and plenty of reason for votes and he was ignoring it all...when in reality, much of the information to be gleaned was from the discussion ABOUT the votes (in which neither Levity nor Red was taking part).

 

It's that kind of twisting and false information that I really dislike.[/color]

 

Amega said it himself that there was "new information on the play field" and what is wrong with calling a lazie towine or scum just that? Isn't that what we are supposed to be doing here? The discussion about the votes were about Red and Levity, such as Red's inactivity and Levity's odd behavior.

 

Again, there are no such thing as joke votes. If so, why are Red and Levity still at 2?

[Myndrunner]

 

This is his way of playing, but I believe (as I always have) that it is more often counter-productive, since he wants accusations of his to finish into a lynch, whether or not they touch solid ground. I played like that in the beginning too, so no offense. It just isn't the good way of playing mafia, so it warrants my vote.

 

 

Whats the matter, Thorum? Getting nervous that your name keeps popping up? Or you feel threatened keeping me in the game? You see, the mistake you made is your reason for voting me has nothing to do with whether I am scum or not. You see this as an opportunity to get rid of a player who has burned you before.

 

People, its simple. If you don't agree with what I say, then ignore me. You cannot deny that things have stirred up and we are not giving this day to the mafia for Day 1 randomness. At best, we can lynch a mafia today, at worst, we've set up a pretty informative Day 2.

 

If you think I am scum, then by all means vote for me. If you just want me out of the way, then just ignore me. Just make sure its logic and not your emotions that are telling you who to vote.

[Myndrunner]

I make this vote change not only for defense, but I also think its the right move for us.

unvote

 

Vote Levity

 

All emotions aside, she has defended Amega even when her own neck has been on the line. She knows more than she's saying and when confronted, she melted down. Scum know they are scum and I am confident that this whole mess has been crocodile tears.

[Thorum]

Mynd, 3 things:

 

- my name is not popping up. Check the vote list

 

- I think your way of working is counter-productive to finding real mafia. And a lot of people listen to whoever posts loudest.

 

- check the timestamps before accusing someone of inactivity. Unless sleeping or going out counts as mafia-like behavior

[Thorum]

Also, day 1 ends in 19 hours, so we should be having 2 or 3 candidates for the lynch by now

 

Mynd and Levity have each gotten 3 votes. So I suggest everyone not in one of those "voted for" lists to choose who we want to lose.

[Levity]

... Ugh.

 

Mynd, I'm not that stupid. You still seemed to be convinced I would blatantly out myself like that, and right after you received another vote you voted for me. Remember the point I made earlier about how you were trying to get heat off of your lynch by putting more heat on my train? You just... you say you are not picking at my intelligence anymore, but you're doing it again.

 

Vote: Mynd

 

I know that this is also meta, but you're voting me for apparently DEFENDING Amega with meta, so here you go: I play in communities where defending a player does not mean you are scum, because the general playerbase is smart enough not to buddy up with their teammates on day one. You are insinuating that I would purposely out myself to defend my teammate, on early day one, like an idiot, just because I'm new here? You also imply that I would fake an anxiety attack to get a lynch off of my hypothetical partner... like an idiot? Just because I was trying to make a little aside? You are pushing for my lynch and everyone knows here that I am an easy scum lynch target for apparently acting strangely each game, and honestly I'm getting quite sick of it.

 

Yes. You push for me and just now vote for me, you pick on things like my typing style which was completely irrelevant to what I was trying to say, you misinterpret everything I say (intentionally?), you're tunneling on me for every little thing that I say, and I don't like it.

 

And, again, quit insulting me. The only reason I haven't vouched for a replacement is because I already replaced out of three games and I'd like to finally finish one instead of being a depressed mess. I am not an idiot.

And before I get an "oh lol she's being emotional this is probably fake," I'm being completely serious. I'm also not solely voting you for emotions, either, but you can believe that. Maybe I'm not the most logical player in the world, no, and maybe I'm slightly aggressive and attack and defend purely by gut sometimes, but I'm really really not liking the way you're acting right now. You use the excuse that everyone knows you, which is meta, by the way, and no one knows me, and you don't know me, and I'm sick and tired of being made as a lynch target for scum. Just because you're you doesn't mean you can get away with everything you do. I also agree with the point that your style is counter-productive to town, and the only other player I've seen that plays like you has at least heard of the word 'towntell.' Another thing that bothers me about this place is that everything, no matter what it is, is a scumtell. Remember my 'two guys sneeze at the same time, they're plotting something' argument? It just... doesn't work all the time. As there are scumtells, there are also towntells. I have never seen you explicitly state "I'm feeling that <player> might be town because _____," and this mistake is made over and over again and townies get mislynched and it aggravates me, but saying anything about it makes me an infidel and, therefore, suspicious.

 

And I'd go for Aemon next, since I'm still not feeling the best on Aemon either. Amega, I honestly don't know.

[Thorum]

Levity, this is Mynd's way of playing. He believes it works (and I don't have the time to check if it really doesn't).

 

One piece of advise: don't take it personally. Read what he said about amega earlier in this game (and what he will say about the rest of us if we let him), and you'll notice he isn't singling you out.

[Levity]

(Out of Character) If this really is a problem, I will be happy to discuss this further outside of this thread. Anything posted in this thread is to be taken as gameplay only, and never personal. Anything discussed privately outside of this game will be taken seriously and handled kindly. I'm really not a bad guy at all, honest. Ask around. Whatever they say is a lie! ;)

 

Please remember, this is just a game.

 

Ok.

 

Honestly, then, there are a few things I would like to tell you, privately, without you taking them as me idiotically faking irritation in the game and maybe I'll work my annoyance out. It is 4am and I probably shouldn't be awake but aaaaaaaugh.

[Levity]

and you'll notice he isn't singling you out.

But he's voting me for culture clash, when it comes down to it, and this happens every game here and it has always been mafia pushing for my lynch. I've learned from it.

 

I'm sorry if being annoyed that I'm not allowed to live past D1/N1 anywhere I play counts as a scumtell, too!

[Thorum]

He's voting you because, at this stage of the game it's probably you or him.

[Levity]

As I stated before, easy scum mislynch.

[Myndrunner]

Mynd, 3 things:

 

- my name is not popping up. Check the vote list

If you have been reading, your name has popped up a few times, especially in my discussions with Red.

 

- I think your way of working is counter-productive to finding real mafia. And a lot of people listen to whoever posts loudest.

This implies that no one else in this game can think for themselves. I hardly think anyone would agree with you there.

 

- check the timestamps before accusing someone of inactivity. Unless sleeping or going out counts as mafia-like behavior

You've been a lot less active in this thread than most of the other players. I'd say that's laying low to me. You suddenly pop up when you see an opportunity to get me lynched because of issues that may be unrelated to the game.

[Thorum]

- check the timestamps before accusing someone of inactivity. Unless sleeping or going out counts as mafia-like behavior

You've been a lot less active in this thread than most of the other players. I'd say that's laying low to me. You suddenly pop up when you see an opportunity to get me lynched because of issues that may be unrelated to the game.

 

I guess you still haven't checked the timestamps?

I'm less active now than in earlier games (which already started before my hiatus), because that over-activity led to me being lynched consistently on day 3 or 4 (whether I'm mafia or town).

 

 

 

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Myndrunner (4): mmeeshal, Red2111, Thorum, Levity

Levity (3): Christine, Mr. Soy Boyo, Myndrunner

Christine (1): Sakaea

Aemon (1): amegakure

amegakure (1): Amadine

 

7 to lynch

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&year=2012&month=1&day=18&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p0=43