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Hello, new here but I've really enjoyed what I've read so far. I'm doing my first reread and came across something I haven't seen discussed anywhere. it might fall under the big unnoticed thing. In the fourth book when Moiraine is explaining bale fire to Rand she talks about the unspoken truce not to use it in the aol because at one point the pattern was almost unraveled. The stated goal of the dark one is to destroy the wheel and unravel the pattern. It seems like all the glotd would have to do is instruct all his chosen to go crazy with bale fire and the wheel would be destroyed. In the 6th book prologue the glotd asks demandred if he would use bale fire for him just to prove the chosen would do it if told to do so. I believe when the final battle finally gets under way we will discover the dark one has been playing a completely different game then everyone thought. I have no idea what his true objective is but I don't think it is to unravel the pattern like everyone thinks.

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The Dark One wants the wheel destroyed, or some such. The Chosen, save Ishamael, however want to rule over the world, and thus balefire is counteractive to that goal, as it kind of requires a world to rule over. If the Dark One was actually honest about his intentions all but the most zealous Darkfriend would need to be mind trapped to ensure cooperation.

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The stated goal of the Dark One is that he wants to conquer the world, remake it according to his will, plant his most faithful and productive servants in higher positions of authority with the Nae'blis as the highest earthly authority and grant all of his faithful everlasting life, while all the unfaithful seem doomed to torment and slavery.

 

There's a reason people flock to his cause.

 

Rand and Ishy seem to be a part of a small few who understand that's probably not what the Dark One really wants.

 

You know, it's kind of disturbing to look at the Dark One's promises to his faithful and seeing that it essentially mirrors the promises of many modern religions, though it obviously doesn't promote the sort of "good" and charitable behavior that western religions tend to. I may have just sparked a whole new discussion with this comment.

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You know, it's kind of disturbing to look at the Dark One's promises to his faithful and seeing that it essentially mirrors the promises of many modern religions, though it obviously doesn't promote the sort of "good" and charitable behavior that western religions tend to.

 

Hmmm... I would agree with the half of that which has to do with everlastng life, however the part of putting servants in higher positions of authority is off. At least in the religion I'm involved with, He doesn't promise authority or power (at least on Earth)--in fact, such things tend to corrupt.

 

Still, your allusion holds merrit. Those who are part of religion (even people in mine are guilty of this) do tend to assume positions of authority/power. Of course, I believe Harriett made a comment a while ago about her husband's disdain for organized religion (hence the Children of the Light).

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I am curious, What is the Dark One ? Sure, the Shadow, the source of evil, counter to the Creator, the Light... ( I have read and re-read the series several times). Though, why is he a He. Shouldn't the Dark One be more of an elemental force, not an individual with plans to redecorate reality, shatter the wheel or hold grudges ? I suggest the Dark One is only one of several individuals from previous ages who have become so corrupted and evil, that they have become possessed by the Shadow. The Shadow is the source, the elemental anti-thesis of the Creator. The Dark One is an ancient, warped individual who plans on destroying reality, ending the Cycle of Ages. Rand and his companions will probably end up slaying the Dark One, only to have a new individual take his place,becoming possessed by the shadow, to wreak havoc on a later age (Fain, zombie Aram ?). The True Source is a hint of this third entity, after the Creator and Shadow. They are a duality, the One Power is a duality, the True Source exist outside of this. Perhaps so does the Dark One. Fain even comes with his own unique power source (Shadar Logoth juice), perhaps comparable to the Dark One's unique True Power (once Fain's power has a few ages to ripen).

So to answer the original question, The Dark One's goal might be very similar to Moridin(Ishmael,Nicolas Bolas)perhaps why he is Naeblis: To destroy the Wheel of Time and end the cycle of Ages, so he can come to an end (same as Lews Therin, now that I think of it). Perhaps the Shadow will reject him at the last minute, allow Team Rand to destroy the Dark One, after the defection of Moridin(different idea, see Theoryblog for that one) and embrace Fain as a new vessel.

Lots of "perhaps" up there...

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I am curious, What is the Dark One ? Sure, the Shadow, the source of evil, counter to the Creator, the Light... ( I have read and re-read the series several times). Though, why is he a He. Shouldn't the Dark One be more of an elemental force, not an individual with plans to redecorate reality, shatter the wheel or hold grudges ? I suggest the Dark One is only one of several individuals from previous ages who have become so corrupted and evil, that they have become possessed by the Shadow. The Shadow is the source, the elemental anti-thesis of the Creator. The Dark One is an ancient, warped individual who plans on destroying reality, ending the Cycle of Ages. Rand and his companions will probably end up slaying the Dark One, only to have a new individual take his place,becoming possessed by the shadow, to wreak havoc on a later age (Fain, zombie Aram ?). The True Source is a hint of this third entity, after the Creator and Shadow. They are a duality, the One Power is a duality, the True Source exist outside of this. Perhaps so does the Dark One. Fain even comes with his own unique power source (Shadar Logoth juice), perhaps comparable to the Dark One's unique True Power (once Fain's power has a few ages to ripen).

So to answer the original question, The Dark One's goal might be very similar to Moridin(Ishmael,Nicolas Bolas)perhaps why he is Naeblis: To destroy the Wheel of Time and end the cycle of Ages, so he can come to an end (same as Lews Therin, now that I think of it). Perhaps the Shadow will reject him at the last minute, allow Team Rand to destroy the Dark One, after the defection of Moridin(different idea, see Theoryblog for that one) and embrace Fain as a new vessel.

Lots of "perhaps" up there...

 

The Dark One was not from a certain age, the DO was bound by the Creator outside of the Pattern at the moment of creation.

 

Compuserve Chat 26 June 1996

 

Martin Reznick: How was the Dark One created, i.e. is he a fallen angel, an inherent part of the universe, etc.?

RJ: I envision the Dark One as being the dark counterpart, the dark balance if you will, to the Creator carrying on the theme, the yin yang, light dark, necessity of balance theme that has run through the books . . . it's somewhat Manichean I know, but I think it works.

 

BWB

When the bore was drilled into a place outside the Pattern, a dark presence used the opening to touch the world. This presence, which named itself Shai'tan, had been imprisoned outside of time and creation by the Creator of the universe. Since its touch was first felt, it has been called by many names: Father of Lies, Sightblinder, Lord of the Grave, Shepherd of the Night, Heartsbane, Soulsbane, Heartfang, Old Grim, Grassburner, Leafblighter, and, most commonly, the Dark One. Even today, few use its true name, fearing that to do so will call the Dark One's attention to them. Naming the Dark One is considered an evil curse.

 

Though neither male nor female by known standards, Shai'tan is usually referred to as male. He has no true physical form, being something outside and beyond this universe, yet he has the ability to affect the physical world. Human motivations are often ascribed to him despite the fact that he is not human and therefore defies our complete understanding. Yet there is one human word which seems to embody Shai'tan—"evil."

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