[ADVANCED/KITCHEN SINK] The Axe or the Hammer - GAME OVER

[Nolder]

Okay so, Nolder super pinged me with these posts. The vote was leaning towards Turin, and then Nolder brings out this rather thin case against Maw. It was full of a bunch of and maybes and no real supporting facts. On top of that Nolder's play this game has just felt really off this game. While he hasn't exactly laid low, he's been fairly non confrontational, and has either backed down from debates/arguments, or tried to stop others from doing the same on multiple occasions. Seems like he's trying to hide in plain sight.

 

Vote: Nolder

Dude what? Maw's play was terrible. Full of "maybes" and no supporting facts? How about the fact that Maw voted twice without providing any sort of reason at all? If that's not scummy I don't know what is and I stand by my case and my votes. If you want to blame someone for that lynch blame Maw.

 

Also those confrontations I happened to try to stop so far have all been between townies like I said they probably were

one of them our cop no less who might have been lynched had I not stepped in between him and Meesh/Soy

but it's convenient for you to forget that I guess

honestly I can't remember what Tina has said/done this game but I wouldn't put it past the cult to recruit inactives in an attempt at getting people who'll be harder to read

not saying your cult...yet

but I think my case on Maw has more merit than you're giving it

[Nolder]

Vote: Turin

Re: BG's results

[mmeeshal]

Also those confrontations I happened to try to stop so far have all been between townies like I said they probably were

one of them our cop no less who might have been lynched had I not stepped in between him and Meesh/Soy

but it's convenient for you to forget that I guess

Yeah, and how did you know they were between townies? You can't claim you're just really on the ball this game, because you were all convinced on Maw, and look how that turned out.

 

Fact of the matter is, BG was acting really scummy--plenty of people saw it, and many of them we know now were lightsworn, and thus were being honest in saying "Yeah, BG looks really suspect." Unless you want to call the entire game of players crazy, maybe you should admit that BG WAS acting really scummy and that it was only his finder claim/lack of a counterclaim/Maw's one-shot viewing that kept him alive, and nothing in his behavior.

 

So, how did you know, prior to BG's claim, that it was "townie on townie violence" as you like to say?

 

We also had a back-up finder at the time, so it wouldn't have been a HUGE loss to confirm BG's truthfulness and get that huge WIFOM out of the way and also gain some solid information.

 

Also, part of your argument against Maw was the whole "a one-shot day finding just wouldn't make sense" and yeah, this is a Kitchen Sink game, as many people have pointed out, and you conveniently didn't acknowledge that fact and also ignored the fact that other people had "silent roles" too, which would lend more credence to Maw's claim.

 

But it's convenient for you to forget that, I guess.

[Turin Turambar]

methinks the cult recruited the cop. Since Kae was killed and flipped town still it only makes sense the cult would recruit the one person that could out them.

[mmeeshal]

Would it hurt us overmuch to lynch you and find out if that's the case?

[Turin Turambar]

Since I did finally find the person I was looking for I am helpful now. I don't know if the person is aware of it but I did get PM confirmation that my role has changed for the benefit of town.

[bgrishinko]

Okay then. Spill it.

[Turin Turambar]

Ok. I was searching for Perrin. Now that I have found him, I am his bodyguard. If he is the target of a NK I will die and whomever targeted him will also die. This means I will likely die tonight if not lynched today but I will save another townie tonight and if that is the best I can do so be it. I am late to the LIGHTSWORN but will do my part. prior to finding Perrin I was listed as a survivor.

[mmeeshal]

*laughs*

[Nolder]

Also those confrontations I happened to try to stop so far have all been between townies like I said they probably were

one of them our cop no less who might have been lynched had I not stepped in between him and Meesh/Soy

but it's convenient for you to forget that I guess

Yeah, and how did you know they were between townies? You can't claim you're just really on the ball this game, because you were all convinced on Maw, and look how that turned out.

I think it turned out fairly well considering how he was playing and his role

as for how I knew...I didn't obviously

but I strongly suspected the longer it went on

unless you're trying to tell me you're not a townie because unless you're scum I was completely correct in my assessment about that whole spat being townie on townie violence

 

Fact of the matter is, BG was acting really scummy--plenty of people saw it, and many of them we know now were lightsworn, and thus were being honest in saying "Yeah, BG looks really suspect." Unless you want to call the entire game of players crazy, maybe you should admit that BG WAS acting really scummy and that it was only his finder claim/lack of a counterclaim/Maw's one-shot viewing that kept him alive, and nothing in his behavior.

not calling them crazy but I am going to call them wrong

much like I did earlier this game

oh wait I'm supposed to be sweeping this all under the rug right? my bad

 

So, how did you know, prior to BG's claim, that it was "townie on townie violence" as you like to say?

I could just tell from the way you were all acting

the way you worded things, probing for information, trying to incite reactions

early in the game that's more of a townie thing to do

you and Soy took it too far but it was still a town tell for me

 

We also had a back-up finder at the time, so it wouldn't have been a HUGE loss to confirm BG's truthfulness and get that huge WIFOM out of the way and also gain some solid information.

 

Also, part of your argument against Maw was the whole "a one-shot day finding just wouldn't make sense" and yeah, this is a Kitchen Sink game, as many people have pointed out, and you conveniently didn't acknowledge that fact and also ignored the fact that other people had "silent roles" too, which would lend more credence to Maw's claim.

 

But it's convenient for you to forget that, I guess.

lol seriously?

yeah know you got me

I'm ignoring this is a kitchen sink game

case closed guys

 

a one shot cop ability with a cop already in the game AND a backup cop is just weird

and he could use it during the day? what?

no it's a weird role and not something I'd expect to see even in a kitchen sink game (which really just means that almost everyone has roles not necessarily that those roles will be "weird" or experimental)

[mmeeshal]

So even though you were dead wrong, you're still going to stick with that defense? Learn some humility, Nolder. It doesn't hurt to admit you were wrong and maybe don't have as good of an idea of what roles might be in this game after all. Using setup speculation as your deductive reasoning hasn't exactly gotten you very far, has it? So give it up. You don't know everything.

 

I don't even know why you're still alive, honestly. You're playing like the opposite of town. I haven't seen one actually pro-town thing that you've done. You can't claim that you stopped BG from getting lynched, because it had nothing to do with you, and actually your involvement went a long way toward getting more crap getting thrown at BG, so that is not to your credit. The rest of your behavior has been "stop discussing things you think are scummy" "you're crazy" "let's lynch someone with no real reason except that he voted for me and some other made-up, nonsensical crap" and jabs and whatnot.

 

I mean, really. I haven't seen you play like this before, and I've never played with you as legit scum (the closest I got to that was you were a symp and died day 1) so I have to assume you're not town this time around.

[bgrishinko]

Ok. I was searching for Perrin. Now that I have found him, I am his bodyguard. If he is the target of a NK I will die and whomever targeted him will also die. This means I will likely die tonight if not lynched today but I will save another townie tonight and if that is the best I can do so be it. I am late to the LIGHTSWORN but will do my part. prior to finding Perrin I was listed as a survivor.

 

Hmmm... decent cover for why I might have seen you as NOT LIGHTSWORN, but I see some holes in your story. If you were a survivor before, then you needed to survive to endgame AND find Perrin. But then after finding Perrin, you are no longer a survivor? Therefore, the survivor claim doesn't make sense. Really you just needed to find Perrin. Why be a survivor in the first place? You can't win without Perrin even if you survive. After you find him, you can win while dying...

[Nolder]

So even though you were dead wrong, you're still going to stick with that defense? Learn some humility, Nolder. It doesn't hurt to admit you were wrong and maybe don't have as good of an idea of what roles might be in this game after all. Using setup speculation as your deductive reasoning hasn't exactly gotten you very far, has it? So give it up. You don't know everything.

What? I'm standing by my reasoning for lynching Maw, nothing more

I lynched him for his scummy play

the weird role was just the cherry on top for me

 

I don't even know why you're still alive, honestly. You're playing like the opposite of town. I haven't seen one actually pro-town thing that you've done. You can't claim that you stopped BG from getting lynched, because it had nothing to do with you, and actually your involvement went a long way toward getting more crap getting thrown at BG, so that is not to your credit. The rest of your behavior has been "stop discussing things you think are scummy" "you're crazy" "let's lynch someone with no real reason except that he voted for me and some other made-up, nonsensical crap" and jabs and whatnot.

 

I mean, really. I haven't seen you play like this before, and I've never played with you as legit scum (the closest I got to that was you were a symp and died day 1) so I have to assume you're not town this time around.

whatever Meesh

[Nolder]

Re: Turin

not sure I like/buy his claim but he does bring up a fair point about cult recruiting BG

BG it's been two nights since you last really spoke, did you find someone else as town and you're not outing it or what?

[bgrishinko]

The night before I didn't get a response to my view. I suppose I was blocked.

[Turin Turambar]

If I found Perrin I became his bodyguard. until that time I was a survivor and did not need to find Perrin to win, merely survive which was all I was really trying to do. Since I was nearly lynched yesterday I decide to try a little harder to find him and did it.

[Nolder]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

not liking this wifom

 

on the one hand you were honest

on the other...it makes sense you wouldn't have your cop power anymore if you were recruited

if there was a roleblocker wouldn't they have blocked you earlier or been on Ama/Reds list (I don't actually remember the list but I don't remember RB being on there)?

 

I'm gonna Unvote: Turin for now

there's no need to rush this and I think I'd like to hear more from both of you

[mmeeshal]

Roleblocker was on there.

 

Also, it's Kae, not Ama. Ama is the mod. Sheesh.

[bgrishinko]

That's fair Nolder...

 

It just seems a bit too convienient that she "found" Perrin the same night I viewed her. Sounds like something I'd have come up with to get out of a lynch, therefore I don't trust it.

 

Maybe the blocker and the silencer are the same person? Kae was apparently blocked and silenced the same night too.

[Nolder]

Roleblocker was on there.

 

Also, it's Kae, not Ama. Ama is the mod. Sheesh.

Sorry I'm all disoriented

been in a bunch of games lately and modding one of my own

[Turin Turambar]

I'm a him. I am only allowing that in the other game cause the role there.

 

To be honest I wasn't really trying to find Perrin that hard as I had never played a survivor before. I guess i botched it up by asking too many questions or the wrong questions and drawing attention to myself. My chances of surviving were slim to none after yesterday so I figured I would guess what I had already thought and was right.

[bgrishinko]

I'm a him. I am only allowing that in the other game cause the role there.

 

 

Darg. I do that all the time. Even when I know it already. I think I was speculating on your character role in my mind and got my wires crossed.

[dapianoplay3r]

Well I think it's reveal time (first know that Im going out all day but I'll ba back tonight so I will answer Questions then)

 

Im the Role Blocker

On night 1 I (it was Pandy) blocked - Corro (and it seems to have worked)

N2 - Meesh(and something funky happened to my action that night. I think I was redirected)

N3- Self (It was to test the lists but that was the time Meesh didn't get a list. So as far as i know I wasnt redirected so I dunno what happened)

N4- Ed (I don’t know if I was redirected or it went through)

and last night I did (N5)- Turin

 

So I do believe BG

 

The night before I didn't get a response to my view. I suppose I was blocked.

just so you know BG as far as I am aware it wasn't me

[bgrishinko]

Well I think it's reveal time (first know that Im going out all day but I'll ba back tonight so I will answer Questions then)

 

Im the Role Blocker

On night 1 I (it was Pandy) blocked - Corro (and it seems to have worked)

N2 - Meesh(and something funky happened to my action that night. I think I was redirected)

N3- Self (It was to test the lists but that was the time Meesh didn't get a list. So as far as i know I wasnt redirected so I dunno what happened)

N4- Ed (I don’t know if I was redirected or it went through)

and last night I did (N5)- Turin

 

So I do believe BG

 

The night before I didn't get a response to my view. I suppose I was blocked.

just so you know BG as far as I am aware it wasn't me

 

Hmm. Oddness. Do you mean Kae when you said Meesh in N3? What about N2? Cause Kae was blocked on N2, and what funky thing happened to you? Cause when I tried to do my view on N4, I got kinda a funky message back.

[bgrishinko]

* ... and before someone accuses me of backpeddling cause I said I didn't get a response before, what I meant was I didn't get a response about who I viewed, but I got a funky message.