[ADVANCED/KITCHEN SINK] The Axe or the Hammer - GAME OVER

[SBoydW]

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Red, Kae, and BG are scamming us all... I really don't like that people who have already claimed roles won't reveal any information... I'm still catching up but as far as I've seen Red has only revealed N1 actions and and neither red nor BG have revealed N2 actions. Reasons: Red supposedly wanting to protect which of the two roles she and kae has, and bg for some odd reason won't reveal until red does... it's all to twisted to me...

 

I also find it interesting that the mafia didn't simply whack one of those three. I mean that's three reveals and the mafia hasn't even taken a shot at one of them? I don't like any of their reveals and frankly am starting tho think they're all full of it.

 

Well, I also am starting to feel like BG is scamming us, but you have my word that Red and I are telling the truth. I know you don't know me very well, but I hope those of you in this game who do will vouch for me that when I give my word, I don't go back on it, and I'm not lying.

And I also find it surprising that the mafia haven't taken a shot at BG, Red, or myself, unless it's because they can never be sure who the doc chose to protect, and don't wish to risk wasting an NK.

 

 

You have eased my troubled soul... And not to be offensive or anything... but the most honest person in real life can be the biggest lying liar who lies in mafia. It's part of the game.

[Netbattler11]

Okay, whatever BG is, he's not scum. I scanned him and he came up as town, remember? I don't see a way that my one-shot view during the day could have gotten a wrong result unless bg was the godfather, and we lynched him a couple days ago. So while I don't particularly feel that red and kae are scum, I see no reason at all to continue attacking bg. We're as sure as we can be that he's on our side, and I really don't see a point in continuing to pursue him.

[ed2funy]

*grumbles*

 

Player deserves some looking at.

 

Red is highly suspect, as everyone shall agree.

 

To the first, yes. To the second, no, everyone shall not agree.

I find the style in which Ed has been making his posts to be strange. Not his normal play at all.

 

The thing is you all keep saying I did something brilliant. I wish I could say I am, but I am just trying to survive.

I still am.

I don't think I can make it any clearer.....

 

Hmmm, I can broach many topics of the game, but must be delicate.

 

 

 

I counted like 5 times to make sure...how come there is one less NA than people targeted?

 

9 People Targeted

8 Night Actions

 

?

Redirect made another one, or multiple actions on one person?

[mmeeshal]

I counted like 5 times to make sure...how come there is one less NA than people targeted?

 

9 People Targeted

8 Night Actions

 

?

Redirect made another one, or multiple actions on one person?

Pfft. This isn't Yahoo Answers, Ed. I only really needed one person to answer that question for me.

And multiple actions on one person doesn't make sense anyway--that would more likely end up with less names and more actions.

[SBoydW]

I'm gonna say it again. We don't want to give you the list we received for Day 2 because it helps the scum more than anything else. You continuing to not see that, and not even really address that fact makes me suspicious of you. Everything Red and I have said is nothing but the truth. You, on the other hand, I feel are lying to us.

 

Also... How would it help scum? You guys already said you can't match-up actions with people. The only way I could see it helping scum is that the list matched everyone up... So how exactly would it help scum? You gave out n1 results... why not n2?

[Nolder]

Your results do concern me as it helps me to vet you in my own mind if truth is spoken. Many of your results can be given from insider mafia knowledge, especially if the mafia has a tracker/watcher type. I've been on a mafia team that had both before. So, until I see a list of who was targeted last night. I say nothing. RBing AND silencing Kae seems like overkill mafia.

 

Vote Red

1. Couldn't you just investigate them? If it's just your own peace of mind you're after...

2. You make a good point imo as I've also noted

3. I don't like how... belligerent you're being here. What result could you have that could effect anything they'd have to say? I see no reason not to share BG

[Nolder]

wait a minute BG

 

Since when do watchers and trackers get a list of every night action anyways? Is that common at DM? Seems incredibly overpowered.

I agree. Never seen it before, and given Kaes early reveal I'm suspicious still.

 

 

thoguht you said you'd never seen it before. but now your saying

 

Your results do concern me as it helps me to vet you in my own mind if truth is spoken. Many of your results can be given from insider mafia knowledge, especially if the mafia has a tracker/watcher type. I've been on a mafia team that had both before. So, until I see a list of who was targeted last night. I say nothing. RBing AND silencing Kae seems like overkill mafia.

 

Vote Red

 

 

either you've never seen the roles combined before or you've been on a scum team with both. which is it BG because you can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

 

to the bolded, funny how your claiming finder and want the list of peolpe who were targetted. which could mean a number of things. i just find it wiered that a proclaimed finder is more interested in the list of those who were targetted rather than the list of NA's used.

 

 

to the italics - it's not overkill if they plan on trying to off one of us today so they can NK the other tonight.

I think he's talking about a mason team Red

although you could describe a mafia team as a mason team with a nightkill I suppose...

[Nolder]

I didn't know Verb couldn't post on thread...

if this is the case he really should be replaced or modkilled regardless of QT activity imo

[Nolder]

Course IF Kae was blocked then I can understand you not wanting to say, as you said you want to leave it WIFOMY about who has what role... but leaves me at an impasse still about the truthfulness of your claims.

wait what?

when was it said she was blocked?

I didn't realize you could block a passive role like that

it's not like they target anyone

it'd be like blocking a miller and making him just powerless townie for one night or something (in my own mind at least)

[Nolder]

Oh poor Nolder. Got worn out being forced to spend all that time in the Happiest Place on Earth...

 

EDIT: Forgot my smiley face.

you don't even know

by the end of the day I was 100% prepared to chop my feet off with an axe if I had one

granted I wouldn't have had the energy to lift the axe but still...

[ed2funy]

>.>

*sits on Meesh*

 

Interesting push by Soyo. o_O

Perhaps, the way the lists are with what has publicly transpired, gives way too much info?

[Nolder]

but why hide RB? I HIGHLY doubt a RB wouldn't have used their power on N1.

a good point

but I'm not sure I agree with that second part

why wouldn't a RB use their power N1?

[Nolder]

i did mention a RBer being on the list BG, i listed all the actions off our list that could be negative to the town if you recall.

 

heres a list of peopel targetted on N1

 

Meesh - ?

Red - ?

Nolder - Silenced

BG - Redirected

Soy - Investigated

Corrosive - ?

Nyn - ?

Key - ?

Hoof - Killed

let's fill in the blanks!

[SBoydW]

I could see that if we've had some role reveals... But I think everyone that has reveled did so d1.. So if that were the case hen they've already been put in danger.

[Nolder]

did we figure out who had their vote controlled?

[Nolder]

Okay, got ninjad. Went back and found it too. I was looking at your earlier reveal. You think I'd be that sloppy as mafia to miss that?

 

Also, who says I didn't view one of you?

[mmeeshal]

*grumbles incoherently about Eds and birds and being squished*

 

Yeah, I thought that the whole thing with the N2 lists was that they didn't want to reveal who got what list--if Kae was blocked, then they'd only have one list to share, and everyone would know which one Red got, and therefore, the mafia would know who to target to take out whichever list they liked least.

 

That's all been laid out.

[John E. Kelley]

It seems as if Ed did. Lots of you guys were convinced that I was controlling his vote, but if you look carefully, you'll see that it couldn't have been me.

[SBoydW]

Revealed* not reveled...

[Nolder]

I just had a thought about Kae's silencing. It could be verified by deduction if we could get everyone else to post at least once, which would be a good thing in itself. I don't know what that would tell us other than she was in fact silenced today. I don't really understand why anyone would silence her when it has to be assumed that she is either:

 

1. as she claims and has access to a QT with Red so she can get her thoughts out via Red.

 

2. mafia making a fake claim to alignment at least and therefore has access to a QT and can get her thoughts out via her teammates. And then Red would be one of those.

 

So if the point is to keep her thoughts out of the game, it was doomed to fail.

nice thought but it wont work with inactives (please replace/modkill those btw Ama)

[mmeeshal]

i did mention a RBer being on the list BG, i listed all the actions off our list that could be negative to the town if you recall.

 

heres a list of peopel targetted on N1

 

Meesh - ?

Red - ?

Nolder - Silenced

BG - Redirected (onto Nyn)

Soy - Investigated

Corrosive - ?

Nyn - Subject of Redirect

Key - ?

Hoof - Killed

let's fill in the blanks!

I have no idea what was done to me. Could've been the checking, or the blocking, or the protecting...my vote wasn't controlled, so that's out. Everything else...there's no way I'd know.

[SBoydW]

*grumbles incoherently about Eds and birds and being squished*

 

Yeah, I thought that the whole thing with the N2 lists was that they didn't want to reveal who got what list--if Kae was blocked, then they'd only have one list to share, and everyone would know which one Red got, and therefore, the mafia would know who to target to take out whichever list they liked least.

 

That's all been laid out.

 

To be honest then their reasoning is lame. The mafia can just take them both out. Or just one... Neither list is any good by itself so who cares who has what list. Just saying my vote will be going on either red or kae tomorrow I think their both scum.

[Nolder]

There are some issues to clear:(if I am understanding this correctly)

The vote still counts, the affected person just has to vote for a specific person.

all the effected person would have to do is vote early in the day while the person they are supposed to vote is available.

I don't think we've had everyone post in a day let alone vote.

The votes would have to be somewhat random in nature to allow everyone to vote for a different person.

The entire thing could be setup by the mafia to vet one of their own.

 

All in all it sounds like the overly complicated plans that bond villains come up with that never seem to quite work out properly.

 

So I went back and checked, and saw that the role is a vote controller, I thought it was just a vote negater or something. Sorry bout the mixup. I still think my idea could work though, and honestly now it's even easier to implement: we just need to keep track of who votes who and then what the official VC says

 

Vote Count:

Verb (1) - Meesh

Cuathon (2) - Red, BG

Not Voting: Nolder, Corrosive, Verb, Ishy, Turin, Nyn, Ed, Kae, Loki, Maw, Cuathon, Player, Womby, Des, Ledinna 2.0, Tina, Soyo

20 players = 11 to lynch

 

So far none of these guys' votes have been tampered with, if I'm remembering correctly.

 

So, at this point, I am gonna say that Cauthon is WAY more scummy then Red.

I wonder though....Now, I could be way wrong, because, well, my mind isn't what it used to be, but I would rather lynch Cauthon.

 

 

Red

 

huh?

 

What he said ^

 

Huh Ed? Why are you voting Red if you think we should lynch Cauthon? Vote Ed for bizarro move

If you're serious, let me know now so I can stop my reread lol

 

I guess I'll Unvote for now, since apparently I'm missing something and seem to have to take Ed at his word on this one. I'll go along with it and Vote Cauthon as well

 

So then it seems like my confusion is warranted; Ed seems to be soft-claiming that his vote is being controlled yet shouldn't know, or he is apparently soft-claiming the vote controller role himself? Which would make him scum more than likely... I still don't quite see what I'm missing here, sorry if I'm sounding like a moron

none of this sits well with me at all

it's like Des, the controller, pointed out his own handiwork in an attempt to take out a prolific player (Ed) but it backfired and so in an attempt to buddy up to Ed/everyone he votes with Ed (whom he can blame when Cauth flips town) to take out a different townie

 

that's just how I'm seeing it but at this moment in time I'm not against a Des lynch at all based on this

[Nolder]

That seems to jive with Levity moving my action yesterday to Nyn.

 

Unvote: Vote Ishy

wait it was moved to Nyn? I thought it was moved to Soy...

bah I need to reread and double check that

I guess my fill in the blanks list is wrong then

[Nolder]

Sorry guys for the short notice, but I will be away/inactive starting tomorrow until early Feb, if you have to replace me then I guess you gotta do what you gotta do but I doubt I will be online at all... I will try my best to read through and post at minimal once every 3 weeks? sorry for any inconvenience this may cause :/

Feb!? geez that's forever

no hard feelings but I hope you get replaced soon if you haven't been already