[Basic] Saw Mafia - Day 6

[Louise]

Good question!

 

And yes

 

I can't quite fit Red's explanation into this scenario. Though that could be explained by extreme sleep deprivation at 3am

[JenLenaMom]

Sleep deprivation I understand, lol.

 

It goes like this. Verbal is a very experienced player. Ed posted something that looked like he might have a case a Verby, and is NK'd. Naturally a lot of suspicion is going to fall on Verbal after that, and Verb being an experienced player would know that, so would he kill Ed and bring that suspicion on himself. Of course he would know that people know he's experienced and that he would prolly not kill someone like that so maybe he thought he could get away with it. Of course he know we know that he knows we would think that so maybe he wouldn't NK him. Etc, etc, etc.

[Verbal32]

@JLM - that is why I said "not that it matters much"

 

If you "know I'm mafia" you should certainly not consider voting another player. You are lying and you are bad at it aswell.

 

Re-read my posts, Tina. I did vote you. However, I'm a townie, so I understand townie thinking. As a townie, I don't want to lynch a potential power role. I realize other townies might be thinking that, as I can't prove you're scum without lynching one of us. But if you are lying, we lose the Doc. If I'm lying, we lose the Cop. We can't both be telling the truth, obviously. Both are bad.

 

That make me bad at lying? Heh - it makes me an honest townie. Think logically. I'd say think like a townie, but you're obviously not going to do that. I know you are scum because this is a basic game - there are no other weird roles lurking (most likely). You are lying. But without lynching one of us, I can't prove it.

 

Like I said (again), the town might not want to risk a power role like this. Therefore, I'm willing to think about alternatives. I'm happy you're locked in like that, but as part of the mafia, I can see why you have to. I'm trying to show logical thinking that is pro-town. You are not.

 

I don´t know who you can fool with this post. I know I have viewed you and I know you turned out anti-town. I know you have voted me but at the same time you understand if people don´t want to. I don´t think that is understanding town thinking. Someone is claiming cop. No one is counter claiming so town thinking would be to test the cop. If the cop is wrong then he/she is lying and will be lynched next day. Your coroners report will show us that I´m not lying.

 

Holy twisted logic Batman! Do you realize you are saying we should believe an uncountered power role (in your case, Cop) over an....uncountered power role (in my case, Doc)? Really? That is a contradictory statement, and very suspicious.

 

Basically, you said this: "I want to test the possible Cop by lynching the possible Doc." O_o In what possible scenario is this a good move?! And you say my coroner report will show you aren't lying -- what an easy scum statement to make. I acknowledged already that the final confirmation will be via coroner report......why try and make that a point? It's reaching a little too far, and trying to push too hard.

 

You claimed -- I claimed -- and then you contradict yourself by saying we should believe an uncountered power role......when I'm the exact same thing! Stop trying to get the real Cop to counter. They haven't yet, and I doubt they will, as it appears they are smartly staying hidden.

[Verbal32]

Sleep deprivation I understand, lol.

 

It goes like this. Verbal is a very experienced player. Ed posted something that looked like he might have a case a Verby, and is NK'd. Naturally a lot of suspicion is going to fall on Verbal after that, and Verb being an experienced player would know that, so would he kill Ed and bring that suspicion on himself. Of course he would know that people know he's experienced and that he would prolly not kill someone like that so maybe he thought he could get away with it. Of course he know we know that he knows we would think that so maybe he wouldn't NK him. Etc, etc, etc.

 

Another angle is the mafia killing Ed to frame me and place the blame at my feet......which appears to be exactly what happened when they couldn't kill me due to self-protection.

 

Tina, I defy you to poke holes in my logic. I'm doing it to you, and you are not. This is yet another example of my logic.....the mafia try and kill me, fail, and then try to frame me by killing somebody who FOS's me.

[Niniel]

I´m pretty sure about Verbal and Ishy. I think I will start with a vote on Ishy.

 

I always thinks JLM is scummy but the fact is she has always been mafia when I have played with her, except one time.

 

 

Tina can I ask you now just in case something bad happens to you why you are so sure about Ishy? I mean you say now that you viewed Verbal yet you vote for Ishy right off. Did you view him as well? It seems odd that you wouldn't vote for the one you say you have a viewing for.

 

Louii do you mean explain WIFOM?

 

It´s soon time to put my daughter to bed but I think I´ll be able to come back and point to posts that made me think Ishy and Verb are on a team. (I´m not sure they are anymore.) I haven´t viewed Ishy. Why I voted someone else was to see what reactions that would get us. The only reaction that got us what that Ishy voted Verbal.

[Louise]

@JLM- Thank you, and you're very right

 

This is too much for my brain right now.

I suppose it's too much to ask to get an exact deadline Red? I'll check again when I wake up (in 2 and a half hours ) but will probably not have time for any imput. I do not want to miss the deadline whilst working, and have it pass without voting but for now, Verbal makes too good of an argument.

 

unvote Verbal

 

 

Good night all.

[Louise]

Another angle is the mafia killing Ed to frame me and place the blame at my feet......which appears to be exactly what happened when they couldn't kill me due to self-protection.

 

Thanks mate. It appears that it's not as cut and dried as I'd thought.

[Verbal32]

I´m pretty sure about Verbal and Ishy. I think I will start with a vote on Ishy.

 

I always thinks JLM is scummy but the fact is she has always been mafia when I have played with her, except one time.

 

 

Tina can I ask you now just in case something bad happens to you why you are so sure about Ishy? I mean you say now that you viewed Verbal yet you vote for Ishy right off. Did you view him as well? It seems odd that you wouldn't vote for the one you say you have a viewing for.

 

Louii do you mean explain WIFOM?

 

It´s soon time to put my daughter to bed but I think I´ll be able to come back and point to posts that made me think Ishy and Verb are on a team. (I´m not sure they are anymore.) I haven´t viewed Ishy. Why I voted someone else was to see what reactions that would get us. The only reaction that got us what that Ishy voted Verbal.

 

That is quite risky. With the way trains can potentially fly by, you risked a lynch of somebody you didn't view over the more definitive lynch of the player you supposedly viewed? I prefer to think logically, and this (to me) doesn't make sense. Gauging reactions when you have no info, in order to gain info, is great. Doing it to risk not lynching the player you say you viewed? Another illogical play from you.

[Red2111]

Deadline

 

9 alive, 5 to lynch; deadline is Monday, Sept 26th 6pm CST

 

20:09:05

 

Vote Count

 

Verb (2): Ishy, Tina

Tina (2): Verbal, Sakaea

 

No Vote (05): Ed, JLM, Nol, Ley, Louii

 

[Niniel]

I´m sick and feeling worse. I have to go and lay down. If you have any more questions post them now because I´m going to bed. If you should lynch me while I´m sleeping then I have told you everything I know. I haven´t viewed anyone else besides Verbal. I wasn´t cop on Day/Night 1. I became one day 2. I guess it was because one of the inactives was cop and Red didn´t know if she could get anyone to replace them but that is just me guessing.

[Niniel]

Sorry, but I have to go and lay down now. I see you tomorrow I hope.

[John E. Kelley]

I am at work right now and can't post what I'd like to say, but will be home by 5:30pm EST and will let everyone know what the real deal is. Short version, Verb is a ball-faced liar, he most certainly is NOT the doc and I'll reply to his lies before deadline.

[JenLenaMom]

That smells like a counter claim in the works. Let's see that'll be 4:30pm my time, plenty of time before soccer to see what you've got.

[Sakaea]

UNVOTE I want to see what Ishy has to say.

[Verbal32]

I am at work right now and can't post what I'd like to say, but will be home by 5:30pm EST and will let everyone know what the real deal is. Short version, Verb is a ball-faced liar, he most certainly is NOT the doc and I'll reply to his lies before deadline.

 

I'd like to hear what you have to say as well. To call me a liar only means you've invested enough resources to go 2-for-1 on me. Normally I'd say that's fine, but I'm worried about 2 possibilities:

 

1. You have done the math, and we are going to lose even if we know the next 2 lynches (mafia....being you and Tina, apparently) after my death.

 

2. You are the SK, and are angling to get the Doc killed so that shots at the Cop (who has likely been narrowed down with all this claim business) have a 100% success rate.

 

 

Either way, me no likey. This smells off. Either of the above is bad for the town.

 

 

 

 

I´m sick and feeling worse. I have to go and lay down. If you have any more questions post them now because I´m going to bed. If you should lynch me while I´m sleeping then I have told you everything I know. I haven´t viewed anyone else besides Verbal. I wasn´t cop on Day/Night 1. I became one day 2. I guess it was because one of the inactives was cop and Red didn´t know if she could get anyone to replace them but that is just me guessing.

 

Hold on.....you just became Cop? You guess it was because Red felt bad? You are suggesting Red altered the setup due to an inactive player not using the role? I've never seen this done, and I've been playing mafia for over 4 years. If a player ditches a role and doesn't use it, oh well. Mods don't just offer that role to another townie who is active.......I don't like this one bit.

[John E. Kelley]

 

 

Liar. I'm L-2, and with a claimed Finder viewing, I'm not waiting. I have no idea about a SK or vig, but there are apparently 2 kills. And there were none on N1. Was it because they both targeted the same person? Perhaps, but not likely. More like the 2nd kill has some sort of restriction.

I'm the Doc (Healer). I self-protected on N1 as per usual, and bam -- no NK. Perhaps both kills targeted me, or perhaps the potential restrictions placed on the other kill made only 1 attempt on me.....who the heck knows. All I know is that no kill occurred, and that I protected myself. That tells me I was targeted.

 

 

So just replace all your pronouns with Ishy and then there would actually be some truth to your statement, because otherwise your entire post is the biggest piece of b.s. I've ever seen. I'm the doc, have been the entire game and I self protected N1. You and your scum teammates either targeted me and missed or you just didn't send a NA in on N1 to setup this exact scenario. I believe Tina, you're a liar, Ed got NK'd because he knew the truth, and anyone who doesn't immediately move their vote to you, I'm going to consider your teammate.

[Verbal32]

Biggest piece of BS you've ever seen? You should get out more....

[Sakaea]

Busted, Verbal. Nice try, tho. VOTE VERBAL

[John E. Kelley]

We have exactly one hour and 25 minutes to get two more votes on someone that is 100% scum, I hope inactivity doesn't take this random.

[Verbal32]

You assume that Ishy is telling the truth.

 

 

Well.....heh....you should.

 

 

Nolder, note this one on your calendar. This marks the 5th time I've done this, lol.

 

 

I AM MAFIA.

 

 

you just didn't send a NA in on N1 to setup this exact scenario

 

Dingdingding! Yep. I was looking for this EXACT scenario. My thanks to you for obliging. I figured I'd get you drawn out before I died. ;-)

 

 

 

NOTE TO SK: I know you're out there. To avoid the WIFOM potential of Ishy blocking a kill on Tina -- target Tina tonight. We will target Ishy. He will be forced to protect her, and our kill will take him out. Think of it as a parting shot from me. Then we will go for a townie, and you just kill Tina the following night. This is important -- you MUST target Tina so we don't risk doubling up. After that, it's war again. This is a part-time truce.

 

I love it when a plan comes together. Let the Lord of Chaos rule. ;-)

[Verbal32]

We have exactly one hour and 25 minutes to get two more votes on someone that is 100% scum, I hope inactivity doesn't take this random.

 

Oh my, wouldn't that be downright hysterical?

[Verbal32]

Why am I the only one laughing?

[Sakaea]

*pokes Ed, JLM, Nol, Ley, and Louii vigorously* Come on you guys, no damned random!

[JenLenaMom]

I'm here, I'm here put down the stick already!!

 

I had to cook some supper before soccer, can't have my girl falling out in the middle of the game, lol.

 

Wow! Not much to add except Verbal

[John E. Kelley]

Why am I the only one laughing?

 

You're an evil, evil man Verb.