RJ's real-world references

[UncleButcher1980]

This is amazing, I'm seeing the Wheel of Time in every Dylan song, can't believe I've never noticed any of this before.

 

"I’m beginning to hear voices and there’s no one around. Well, I’m all used up and the fields have turned brown." Rand obviously.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

that's exactly the way it's hitting me. this will be a great annoyance to people who don't bob, sorry. but really, it's really there.

[Majsju]

Thing is, it is not so much about Dylan specifically, as it is about connecting pretty much whatever favourite artist you have with WOT.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

yeah, no. it's a bob thing. cause nobody....

 

do not preach, do not preach, do not preach.

 

sorry.

[Fadlea]

Kandor is from Superman, I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet.

[Terez]

But Lan is Superman, and he's from Malkier (and he was raised in Shienar). lol.

[Luckystrike]

How about oosquai as whiskey? It was described as "brown water" in, I think, Shadow Rising, and also has a strong alcoholic effect.

 

Also, in the same book there something, I remember thinking, that sounded a lot like kiwi.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

lots of modern foods and drinks, barely disguised, ya

[Terez]

Like t'mat.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

zactly.

[FarShainMael]

Rand eats sweet and sour pork at the Nine Rings inn (TGH21). (Though not with chopsticks, that's later.)

[ironisles]

Like t'mat.

Whats t'mat?

[Xcorpyo001]

Like t'mat.

Whats t'mat?

 

 

t'mat: tomato(in the Old Tongue)

 

http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Old_Tongue_words

[ironisles]

Like t'mat.

Whats t'mat?

 

 

t'mat: tomato(in the Old Tongue)

 

http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Old_Tongue_words

 

ooh.. k

[SylvanFox]

That song is definitely WoT-ish. So is Pink Floyd's "Shine on you Crazy Diamond." "Black holes in the sky" could describe Dark Rand's eyes. Stranger, legend, martyr.... the last line of each stanza throws in a few words and pretty much all of them could describe Rand. And "random precision" just screams ta'verenness to me. Faraway laughter, of course, could be the Forsaken. I don't know if RJ listened to them at all, but the song sure fits.

 

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

You were caught in the cross fire of childhood and stardom.

Blown on the steel breeze.

Come on you target for faraway laughter.

Come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!

 

You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

Well you wore out your welcome with random precision.

Rode on the steel breeze.

Come on you raver, you seer of visions.

Come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!

 

Nobody knows where you are, how near or how far.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

Pile on many more layers and I'll be joining you there.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

And we'll bask in the shadow of yesterday's triumph,

sail on the steel breeze.

Come on you boy child, you winner and loser,

come on you miner for truth and delusion, and shine

 

I also think "Hey You" has just a tiny bit of WoT flavor to it. And, while we're on Bob Dylan, how about "The Times They are a-Changin'"? That's what's going on throughout the series! And David Bowie's "The Man Who Sold the World" reminds me of when Ishy was first starting to bother Rand.

[Alric]

you shone like the sun.

That's what Siuan says about Rand in tGH, just that she is addressing Moiraine.

 

I think Gitara Moroso's Foretelling was worded similarly as well?

 

 

 

[SylvanFox]

“He is born again! I feel him! The Dragon takes his first breath on the slopes of Dragonmount! He is coming! He is coming! Light help us! Light help the world! He lies in the snow and cries like the thunder! He burns like the sun!”

 

Yep. Very similar. Plus, that was when he was young.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

i love this thread. i know it might not be excatly what you were looking for, Terez, but i really love it.

 

(also, stopped myself from posting links to the other foods, cause, well, you know them all, and it's prolly in your sig, anyway)

[Hadilmir]

Speaking of songs that sound oddly similar to the WoT:

 

 

Some crazy similarities in the lyrics.

[FarShainMael]

i love this thread. i know it might not be excatly what you were looking for, Terez, but i really love it.

 

(also, stopped myself from posting links to the other foods, cause, well, you know them all, and it's prolly in your sig, anyway)

 

And peaches are poison.

[cmsnaith]

How about Star Wars?

 

Rand al'Thor is Luke Skywalker. He's powerful in the "force" (One Power). He's an orphan, who's mother died giving birth to him (though he doesn't have a twin sister). He wields a sword of light. He loses his hand.

 

Then there's the whole rebel army bit.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

step it back to seven samurai... to any hero's quest. but yeah, i'm seeing a lot of luke there. and a wookie.

[FarShainMael]

Speaking of songs that sound oddly similar to the WoT:

 

 

Some crazy similarities in the lyrics.

 

Is it just my browser that won't show YouTube links? (Quite likely, 'cos it's a little-known one called Netsurf.) I can see the link on the 'reply' action, though.

[FarShainMael]

Just testing:

 

Yep, that worked. Oh well.

 

Mods please delete if desired.

[aarrowgant]

I know a lot of people will dismiss them as poppy-whatever, but Crawling and Papercut by Linkin Park is definately Jordan and Rand based (and came out way after):

 

Crawling:

 

Crawling in my skin

These wounds, they will not heal

Fear is how I fall

Confusing what is real

There's something inside me that pulls beneath the surface

Consuming, confusing

This lack of self control I fear is never ending

Controlling

I can't seem

To find myself again

My walls are closing in

(Without a sense of confidence I’m convinced that there’s just too much pressure to take)

I've felt this way before

So insecure

Discomfort, endlessly has pulled itself upon me

Distracting, reacting

Against my will I stand beside my own reflection

It's haunting how I can't seem...

To find myself again

My walls are closing in

(Without a sense of confidence I’m convinced that there’s just too much pressure to take)

I've felt this way before

So insecure

 

And Papercut (which I see a definate Rand/Ishy resemblance to):

 

Why does it feel like night today?

Something in here's not right today.

Why am I so uptight today?

Paranoia's all I got left

I don't know what stressed me first

Or how the pressure was fed

But I know just what it feels like

To have a voice in the back of my head

It's like a face that I hold inside

A face that awakes when I close my eyes

A face watches every time I lie

A face that laughs every time I fall

(And watches everything)

So I know that when it's time to sink or swim

That the face inside is hearing me

Right underneath my skin

 

It's like I'm paranoid lookin' over my back

It's like a whirlwind inside of my head

It's like I can't stop what I'm hearing within

It's like the face inside is right beneath my skin

 

I know I've got a face in me

Points out all my mistakes to me

You've got a face on the inside too and

Your paranoia's probably worse

I don't know what set me off first but I know what I can't stand

Everybody acts like the fact of the matter is

I can't add up to what you can but

Everybody has a face that they hold inside

A face that awakes when I close my eyes

A face watches every time they lie

A face that laughs every time they fall

(And watches everything)

So you know that when it's time to sink or swim

That the face inside is watching you too

Right inside your skin

 

The face inside is right beneath your skin

The sun goes down

I feel the light betray me