Werewolf game 4: Underworld edition

[Alys Kinch]

sira, i am recalling the first round we played. the way you snuck stuff in and worked with being who you were to turn the village against danya. my point is, tessa could be you in this instance, or she could be real. but you calling out for players to play their part is only adding confusion to us villagers. where do we place you? are you good faction? bad? helpful? tessa could be using you as seer and apprentice. tessa could be using you as a wolf/vamp. but she is making you look like someone for the wolves/vamps to kill because it appears to be scripted. unless she is a wolf/vamp using the same ploy you used in the first round. she is playing her role off of what you are doing. if you hadn't asked her to come out, would she? i think she would have waited. no matter which she is affiliated with?

 

/conspiracy theory-ish posts.

 

let's move on to the fun. so who wants to know what was really up with the chocolate?

[Talya]

Is this the plagued chocolate :shock:

[Alys Kinch]

:lol: what? here?!? well... since you have found out. yes! :P but it was only because of the pressure. the peer pressure to be exact. did it keep you from work/classes?? :P

[Talya]

Oh I wish it had.....have to go to work even on my death bed...*g*

[Alys Kinch]

you will just have to eat more next time. i mean, it is the bubonic plague after all. that is one death bed thing they don't want at work. :P

[Raena]

Vote count

 

the dude 1 (Tessa Sedai)

 

:P

[Talya]

Alys....they probably wouldn't notice.... :D

 

too much time on here lately :oops:

[Winter Mist]

Urrp...And there was me thinking this was a limited edition chocolate. I know I'm well known for being a chocoholic, but really this is taking to the extreme.

 

Extreme chocolatiering! (wow, that actually sounds really good)

[Guest Egwene]

*makes a ghostly appearance.... CHOCOLATES????!!! ... I am sure ghost can eat those... :D *

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[Alys Kinch]

do ghosts want to when they are filled with bubonic plague?? :P

 

well, first i had to convince people to let me make casts of their bodies. then i had to keep them and make more chocolate. but the hard part was keeping some people from getting so excited they spilled the beans. so, in a way, it is limited edition!! :P

[Alys Kinch]

oh yeah, forgot a second ago. raena, can we get a list of everyone who has bothered to post so far? that may make our lynch easier. i think there are some who haven't been here yet.

[Sirayn]

Okay, I'm assuming that unless or until there is a counter claim that Tessa is the real seer and therefore the dude will be killed as a werewolf. If so, sharp play, Tessa. I had no suspicions about him at all.

 

I think that after waiting a suitable period to see if any counter claimants come forward - bearing in mind that people have long periods when they can't check the thread - we need to lynch dude. Also nobody's begged me not to use metagame arguments, other people are swinging them around and Raena doesn't mind. Therefore, since I'm expecting again to be killed at night, I'm making this argument for consideration tomorrow.

 

Why would the vampires kill Nevare? It's possible that they did it because they genuinely thought he had a good role or was a werewolf. Personally, I didn't find him suspicious at all; he didn't ping my evil radar. Also, nobody pulled him up on anything in the thread. This could be characterised as the vampires trying not to show their identities when Nevare dies so the werewolves can get them back on the next night, but honestly, there's three of them. At least one could drop a gentle hint that Nevare needs to explain something. I mean, he could have been lynched, and then they would have had their kill free to use on a second target at night.

 

Therefore, I concluded that it was possible but unlikely that anything Nevare had said in the thread had got him killed. Due to my recent game modding, I'm aware of a little something else involving Nevare, that when I considered it in this context made me sit up and take notice. It made me wonder if Nevare had been killed for metagame reasons.

 

As background information, please consider the first mafia game. You don't need to read it all. My role list and summary is a roundup for you. Basically the game included two finders, two assassins, and one evil finder-symp. During the course of the game for various reasons one of the assassins, Nevare, got his partner Winter Mist lynched, and then night-killed his sympathiser, Raena. Not surprisingly, the assassins lost. ;)

 

The evil team's implosion caused the two victims, Raena and Winter Mist, to frown a tiny bit. I can testify, although of course you cannot trust my word alone, that both of them have mentioned to me in games between that one and this one that they would like to lynch or kill Nevare as a kind of humorous, delayed revenge for the mafia game. If I remember rightly, this has actually happened on at least one occasion, although I don't remember who led the lynch on Nevare last game so don't hold me to that.

 

Summarised, this is the situation. Having been wrongfully lynched and killed by their own team-mate in an earlier game both Raena and Winter Mist have reason to want to return the favour. I doubt the mod smote him with her modly powers which, for me, leaves someone who has been remarkably quiet so far: Winter Mist. Therefore, I submit that we should seriously consider lynching her tomorrow.

 

If you're innocent, Winter Mist, I apologise for bringing up this argument against you. If you're evil and you killed Nevare for metagame reasons, I'm not sorry at all for using metagame reasons as a basis for my suspicion. ;)

 

PS: I realise my style of play may look suspicious, Alys, and I'm glad that what I'm saying is not being taken on trust. After what I pulled in the first werewolf game I'd want to know if you were all sedated to trust me. However, I invite anyone who doubts me to consider the following questions:

1. Is my input helpful to the innocents?

2. Do I know that?

If the answers to both questions are yes, I would submit that it is logical to conclude I am an innocent, barring the possibility of a seriously deranged evil player who should be kept alive to further the implosion of my team.

 

PPS: Hold on a moment - why do we need a list of who hasn't posted to make our lynch easier? I think the question of whether Tessa is our real seer and if she's found a guilty is the most important call today. Why lynch someone for not talking when we have a seer claimant with a claimed guilty?

 

PPPS: I'd like to point out something that's just occurred to me: if we lynch the dude and the coroner finder turns him up innocent, we know Tessa is lying. This to me is a point in Tessa's favour, not to mention that any other seer has yet to come forward, because the combination of a real finder and a coroner finder makes it disadvantageous for any false finder to come forward. If we lynch dude tonight and he's innocent, we lynch Tessa tomorrow as a lying evil player. If he's evil, we know Tessa is innocent. I don't see any good argument not to lynch dude assuming there is no counter-claimant.

[Alys Kinch]

why would we need a list? the fourty-eight hour rule. while what you said is true, this is another place to look. we have been playing more than 48 hours, and i think some people haven't posted. raena calls that a mod kill. i hate deciding who to lynch. and raena's sound reasoning is that people who aren't playing don't need to have roles sitting by the way side. do you agree or disagree??

[Sirayn]

I agree that players who haven't posted in however long are 1. less likely to be roled and 2. more expendable. If we had nothing else to go on I'd vote to lynch a silent player. However, lynching a silent player or even a very quiet one tells us nothing - if they turn up guilty we won't have enough to go on to find any links to other evil players.

 

Right now in my view we need to wait on possible finder claimants and eventually lynch the dude. This will prove to us 100% whether Tessa is good or evil and when her partner comes out, this will also confirm that person 100%. I'll take a probable guilty death and a probable two confirmed innocents - or, alternatively, an innocent death and at least one definite guilty for lynching tomorrow - over a 50-50 innocent death which gives us no information.

 

Tomorrow, I suspect we may have more to talk about than silent players. We'll have received at least one definite guilty if we lynch the dude and we can use this to find partners of either the dude or Tessa depending on which one is guilty. Basically, let's lynch the dude.

[Winter Mist]

Maybe someone else has noticed that Nevare usually takes great pains to put up some sort of confusing diversion in all his other games. It has been remarked upon before, so perhaps someone doesn't like a character they can't gauge, or one that doesn't fit into their neat little "predictability" boxes. There wasn't any of that this time around. I'll not deny that ticked me a little, but it's only a game.

 

Sira, I don't tend to post overly often in any of these kind of games. It's hard to keep up sometimes and who wants to post the wrong thing inadvertently when it is subjected to such fierce debate.

 

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[Angyl]

I'm going to assume that Tessa is telling the truth, and vote to lynch Dude. If in fact, Tessa is lying and Dude is an innocent, I'm very sorry Dude. But then we will at least know.

[Sirayn]

It's not your quietness that makes me think you're a vampire, Winter Mist, although it's generally something I see in evil players. It's the Nevare connection. I don't doubt that many, many people may have wanted to kill Nevare. I just think you had a better reason. ;)

 

Okay, it's been 4-5 hours since Tessa role claimed and nobody's counter-claimed her. I realise that isn't very long, but we need seven votes to lynch and I figure that by the time we get that far, everyone will have had an opportunity to role claim. If anyone counter-claims, that's when we kill the lynches - must kill the lynches - and sort out our competing seers. Also, I'm impatient. Here's to you, dude. If he turns up guilty, I am 99% convinced that Alys is the third and final member of the werewolf faction, and I urge you to lynch her tomorrow when I'm distressingly dead.

[Alys Kinch]

**I am 99% convinced that Alys is the third and final member of the werewolf faction, and I urge you to lynch her tomorrow when I'm distressingly dead.**

 

why? becuase i noted that tessa would call for a lynching and then not vote?? or am i in your way for being observant and asking about it?

 

**players who haven't posted in however long are 1. less likely to be roled and 2. more expendable. If we had nothing else to go on I'd vote to lynch a silent player**

 

except that in one of the games, a player who never really posted (kept breaking the 48 hour rule) was a wolf.

 

**This will prove to us 100% whether Tessa is good or evil and when her partner comes out, this will also confirm that person 100%.**

 

and if she is lying, i will lead your lynch. :P again, your posting tendancies make me really think about how this is really going down.

[goldeneys]

I'll have to think about it...for my part though, I'm not sure that I believe Tessa, she might be right...buut, well I'll see how things go.

[Sirayn]

Alys, the reason why I think that if the dude comes up guilty you're a werewolf is simple. One werewolf is already dead. That leaves two. Tessa claims to have found the dude guilty of being a werewolf; at the moment, I've no reason to doubt her claim, and when we lynch the dude we'll find out for certain. If he comes up guilty, I'm going to want to know who was the third and final werewolf. One person who has a keen interest in wanting to keep the dude alive.

 

Now I made a long post here in which, correct me if you think otherwise, I think I made it clear that the only logical step from here is to lynch the dude. It gives us the maximum possible gain from one lynch. The benefits are manifest: if Tessa is evil and lying, which is improbable because she will have two evil partners begging her not to do this, we have lynched an innocent to gain a definite guilty; if Tessa is good and telling the truth, we will have one dead, dead guilty player and two definite innocents. What's not to like?

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that, unless someone comes up with something, this is the only safe and logical route to take. And your response is, "Let's lynch someone who hasn't talked yet!" Yes, let's do just that. ;)

 

I'm willing to believe that you may be an innocent player, one who just doesn't like my arguments for either no reason or reasons she isn't willing to contribute, but unless Tessa hits another guilty tonight or something interestingly strange happens I'm thinking you're the best candidate to be dude's hypothetical other partner right now.

 

PS: I looked back over the rules list and I don't see a 48 hour rule in there. Other games have included different rules if I remember rightly.

 

edit: Let me pose you a hypothetical situation. You're an innocent. Tessa is evil and lying. The dude is a scapegoat innocent. You lynch the dude. You've proved Tessa guilty! You've got one evil and it's probable that I'm also evil. Now three evil players are dead or about to die. That's a fantastic scenario, isn't it? For an innocent?

 

If you are innocent, lynching the dude is the best option for you right now. Again, I'm ready and waiting for people to throw out other ideas, but from my viewpoint there is no reason for an innocent not to want to lynch him right now. That's why, you know, I want to lynch him. ;)

[Zylazlo-]

I'm gonna wait until everyone has posted, I mean Tessa might be the seer and if she is I'm glad we're gonna get a wolf. But let's just say the mentor Seer hasn't posted yet and hasn't even seen all the happening? Anyhoo I'm going to wait until everyone has posted at least to vote.

[Alys Kinch]

*shrugs* 1)i assume we need to look at all of our options. sorry if that is wrong. so far they seem to be

-dude on tessa's claim (who came out as "seer" at your request)

-wintermist on your suspicion from a different game

- me on a suspicion because i would dare ask for clarification on a claim

-you because i say you are trying to lead us all around by the noses and that is how you won the game for the wolves last time

-do you have anyone else you want to accuse yet?

 

that should be all unless:

2) i assumed that raena kept that rule. did you raena?

 

3) i would have been far more likely to submit to tessa being the seer if she had backed up her claim. she didn't. that made me suspicious. i mean, maybe you can explain it, but if you are the seer, why do you come out at the behest of some random player, tell who you saw and that they are guilty, then not back it up by voting for that person in the same post? that is mighty odd.

[GoodGrief]

Whether or not Sira is evil, she talks sense. I vote for the dude. If he is innocent, we accept no excuses from Tessa. She might not have come out and said she was the seer, but she is clearly trying to lead us to lynch him with no other reason than vague implications that she is in the know and that this is not just arbitrary, so she has some purpose in this.

 

A thought occurs: One other reason for someone arguing not to lynch someone could be that they are coupled. Just a thought. But I think Alys is speaking out of caution.

 

Alys is also right about roled players not always being frequent posters. I was the lone wolf who posted not. And got mod-killed for it :(

 

All in all it would have been better for Tessa's apprentice (if she is the seer) to reveal, that way we get the seer's info without the risk to the seer. But then again maybe that's what happened. Maybe she is the apprentice taking the risk so her mentor can remain hidden.

[Alys Kinch]

which isn't smart for the apprentice to do, griefy. that makes them a target. also, there are enough bad roled characters that, if it is the wolves that tessa is allied with, her last partner could claim the title. and vamps makes two others to claim if that is where she is.

 

i am not saying tessa is allied either way or that sira isn't talking with any sense. i am saying that it seems like sira is trying to lead us around by our noses. and i, for one, don't like that. think about your options. look at what you have to deal with. give it more time. then decide to kill dude. don't just jump on the ball because someone told you to.

 

i see little gain by tessa claiming this title. i would, however, like for her to clarify why she would jump at sira's command and why she would make the claim without the vote until prompted. she was on plenty long enough earlier to respond to that. not responding is only leaving a blank in my mind. talk to me, tessa, so i know where to vote.

[Nevare]

Why do people always have to kill me? I'm completley harmless. :D Sure I was a little hairy, but fur never hurt anybody. I was a good werewolf! It isn't fair to just stuff me into the same category as every other werewolf, that's like racism. I could've eaten the other werewolves for you. I've done it before.