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Oh, and I forgot to add: I'm wondering if it might be advantageous to the survivors to lynch the known house member off their QT, and join the other House. I suggest this because then the cult can't recruit someone they can use to spy on our House's QT, or at least is it less likely that this will happen. And the opposing House would be down a member to plot with.

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  On 8/18/2011 at 4:13 AM, Adella said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 4:06 AM, Naeann said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 1:20 AM, Red2111 said:

i'm sorry we tried to NK you. in my defense you were giving off Stark vibes and our aim was to even the numbers after losing jack. nothing personal, purely out of self preservation dude.

 

 

Jack was a survivor who converted to Lannister. How the hell would offing a Stark even it? Lannister would have had one more if Jack hadn't committed dumbicide... (I love you jack but really....) Meaning that at nightfall Lannister would still have the EXACT SAME AMOUNT as Stark... unless other survivors joined one or the other.

To further that, you shouldn't have known that Jack was on your team until you saw the coroner report according to what Kivam has said IIRC. Dunno how your numbers are uneven if the member that you lost wasn't even a member of your team in the beginning.

 

Actually, Kivam told someone that House members will not be informed when survivors pledge their house - unless I'm remembering wrong.

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  On 8/18/2011 at 4:19 AM, John McClane said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 4:13 AM, Adella said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 4:06 AM, Naeann said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 1:20 AM, Red2111 said:

i'm sorry we tried to NK you. in my defense you were giving off Stark vibes and our aim was to even the numbers after losing jack. nothing personal, purely out of self preservation dude.

 

 

Jack was a survivor who converted to Lannister. How the hell would offing a Stark even it? Lannister would have had one more if Jack hadn't committed dumbicide... (I love you jack but really....) Meaning that at nightfall Lannister would still have the EXACT SAME AMOUNT as Stark... unless other survivors joined one or the other.

To further that, you shouldn't have known that Jack was on your team until you saw the coroner report according to what Kivam has said IIRC. Dunno how your numbers are uneven if the member that you lost wasn't even a member of your team in the beginning.

 

Actually, Kivam told someone that House members will not be informed when survivors pledge their house - unless I'm remembering wrong.

 

That's how I recall it too. Which is what it seemed Adella was pointing out. They wouldn't know Jack had joined until his death. So Red saying that they shot at Pac (who im confused on what they think he is... cause Red has said Stark, Cult, and Survivor for Pac) to even their numbers back up.. is what has me confused.

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I'm pretty sure that is exactly what I just said, except that you were right in thinking someone had asked Kivam about it and that was their supposed answer. I have to remember that just because someone supposedly asked it doesn't make it true.

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  On 8/18/2011 at 4:15 AM, Adella said:

Oh, and I forgot to add: I'm wondering if it might be advantageous to the survivors to lynch the known house member off their QT, and join the other House. I suggest this because then the cult can't recruit someone they can use to spy on our House's QT, or at least is it less likely that this will happen. And the opposing House would be down a member to plot with.

 

Hi Adella.

 

Is this your way of saying that you have a house QT, too?

 

Cool. :cool:

 

I think Red might be the more advantageous lynch for the survivors because she's a bigger fish than Smash, but a lot of us are already locked into our votes. It also seems like a lot more Starks have been outed since Red's reveal than Lannisters, probably making them the easier faction to take out right now.

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  On 8/18/2011 at 3:08 AM, BooBoo said:

Not sure who to believe.

 

All I know is, Smash was called out for playing differently....started playing, revealed, is getting votes bribed his way, he freaked out called us all ridiculous and then voted himself, only to switch back to Red?

 

Yeah, I'll stay put on Smash. He's a mess.

 

Dont make things up, I was not called out for playing "differently". I was called out by a player I never played with in my life for getting active in the game. In no way was I playing differently. I am never active on day one and like I said every JN player can vouche for that statement Im sure if I was lying some of them would have had something to say.

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  On 8/18/2011 at 2:20 AM, WWWwombat said:

Voting House members right now is asinine anyways seeing as so many people have showed us their arses. Shoot into that barrel at night while lynching cult suspects during the day.

 

Is this going to be the Stark Family plan tonight? Are you shooting at Red? Or have you identified other Lannisters?

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The only mistake I made in this game was weighing in on why 3 players survived night kills, which other players seemed to be "in the know" as to why that happened "survivors". There was no way I could have known that since no information was in my PM about it, so it basicly fingered me as either a bannerman or cult. At that point there was not much I could do but reveal, or die under suspicion of being cult.

 

I find it funny Red is throwing all this gold around just to get me lynched and from my view this is great for team Stark as the Lannisters keep wasting their gold. Whats even more hysterical is they actully offered me gold to give up my vote, it really does not get any more ridiculous than that. They offered me 5 gold and I think any others who turned down this offer should post how much they were offered as well. Im curious as to how much money these goons are throwing around. It looks like a few people already took the gold so its obvious they are not Lannisters which once again puts Stark in a solid position. I think at this point it would be stupid for any survivors to join Lannesters because of their erratic play and reckless spending but thats just me and Im sure i dont know all the particulars that others might.

 

As to why I voted myself ? I did that so if Red got to L-1 I wanted to hammer her in a big time way. I would much rather put my efforts towards finding cult but this game has been played so bad by so many people the cult leader and his probable first recruit are dancing in the streets under the cover of the 2 houses beating each other down rather than doing what they should have done in the first place.

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  On 8/18/2011 at 2:27 AM, Red2111 said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 2:20 AM, WWWwombat said:

Voting House members right now is asinine anyways seeing as so many people have showed us their arses. Shoot into that barrel at night while lynching cult suspects during the day.

 

^^ this

 

  On 8/18/2011 at 2:21 AM, Hybrid said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 2:08 AM, John McClane said:

Red knows how the killing role on the house team works pretty well, she's probably the NK'er for her family and that explains the amount of coin they've dished out to save her diarrhea mouth...

 

Yeah. Which makes her a prime target for the cult to recruit.

 

excatly, i realize this and it's why we're willing to table the Starks vs Lannisters thing in preferance to getting the cult. the people i've outed at Starks are likely too, though i'm the best candidate since i'm confirmed. us lannisters stick together, but we're also a lot that likes to win. if i start acting cultish, you can bet my own family would get rid of me to contain the leak, no harm no fould imo, as i'd do the same if i thought there was a spy on my QT board.

 

Do you realize your contradictions ? Your agreeing with the statement that voting house members is asanine yet your paying people to vote me ? I gave my name and got no votes after doing it which should tell you Im a Stark Bannerman.

 

Now if you want to go after Cult what are the options of those you bribed with gold ? Are their votes stuck on me ? I cant wait to read your QT should be a fun read.

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  On 8/18/2011 at 11:32 AM, Smash said:

The only mistake I made in this game was weighing in on why 3 players survived night kills, which other players seemed to be "in the know" as to why that happened "survivors". There was no way I could have known that since no information was in my PM about it, so it basicly fingered me as either a bannerman or cult. At that point there was not much I could do but reveal, or die under suspicion of being cult.

I agree.. all these folks have been caught on information they didn't have from PM's.. Not really a fan of this easy type of "investigative" work.. but I assume doggin did it for a reason..

 

I also think lynching red might be better, but wish someone would answer if it's 6 house + banneran or 6 house including bannerman

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  On 8/18/2011 at 3:33 AM, Barmacral said:

Ok, this is admin Barm stepping in to say everyone cool it. If this game is pissing you off, take a few hour break, chances are pretty good that nobody is going to die tonight, and we'll all be here to have fun tomorrow.

 

holy crap you're a mod?!

 

hahahaha!

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  On 8/18/2011 at 12:10 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 11:32 AM, Smash said:

The only mistake I made in this game was weighing in on why 3 players survived night kills, which other players seemed to be "in the know" as to why that happened "survivors". There was no way I could have known that since no information was in my PM about it, so it basicly fingered me as either a bannerman or cult. At that point there was not much I could do but reveal, or die under suspicion of being cult.

I agree.. all these folks have been caught on information they didn't have from PM's.. Not really a fan of this easy type of "investigative" work.. but I assume doggin did it for a reason..

 

I also think lynching red might be better, but wish someone would answer if it's 6 house + banneran or 6 house including bannerman

 

Shes the one who initiated all this crap and then spent her teams money like a drunken sailor after I revealed which I find hysterical since that should push the smart survivors toward house Stark.

 

About the 6 house plus bannerman maybe Big RED can help you with that info since shes in a QT... something real from her rather than the constant contradictions might be helpful.

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okay first, for a 3rd time i was typing fast with out previewing my posts last night cause DM kept crashing. it's 4 House members on the QT bord with two bannermen. the banner men don't know eachother or house member DM handles; and all us House members know are their character names (hence the pressure on Smash to reveal)

 

 

2nd, Adella about Jack. yes your correct that we didn't knwo Jack was one of ours. we suspected later on because Jack dropped a hint that sounded Lannisterish; it had something to do with Gold. yes i realize he's not one of our original bannermen. but the reaction on thread was that people were leaning towards joinging house Stark (points to the Ape) because Jackhad switched to house Lannister, there for putting us in a weaker position on thread. its all about perception Adella, and the fact that Jack choose lannister then got lynched means the perception was negtive agaisnt us to start with because of that; hence my reluctance to reveal until i was close to the lynch.

 

also, nice over reaction at my tiny itty bitty poke.

 

 

3rd about smash; i'm still waiting for Kiv to answer the question about being able to move the votes on the QT board, i've said multiple times on thread i'm willing to put off hunting Starks in favor of a joint hunt against the Dragons.

 

Smash, money didn't start flying until A) you accused me of cult and B) you were jerking the entire thread around on your reveal, feeding us little tid bits at a time and dragging it out absurdly. had you just revealed when pressure mounted, likely this whole buying spree agaisnt you wouldn't have happened.

 

i'm not trying to place any blame on Smash for my own actions; i dug my own grave rather good this time, hazords of playing a dangerous game with players who are alot better than me; i shoudl have known not to fish with the NKs question but you cant put toothpaste back in the tube.

 

 

also Smash, it's interesting that your also talking now about hunting cult; yet you have yet to put your actions where your words are. i've actively switch off focusing on you and tried to turn the atemtion of the game to other people; you on the other hand seemed to be infatuated with a lynch on me still. either put up or shut up, cause i'm still not 100% that you aren't cult. for this i'm goign to ask the Starks for a show of faith.

 

 

We've countered wombys offer he sent via raven; send him an offer to if Smash is telling the truth about his Jorry claim. this allows you lot still to remain in the shadows while confriming your banner man so we can jointly focus on finding the effing cult. theres alot of sense in this, and no i don't care abotu amounts being offered on your side; i'm not digging for info abotu your house or how little money you have to throw around, i'm more interested about the cult.

 

Yes Ape, i know you claim the Starks countered you, but frankly i don't trust you. it's better to have a few

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oh good catch Slats!!

 

  On 8/18/2011 at 10:08 AM, slats said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 4:15 AM, Adella said:

Oh, and I forgot to add: I'm wondering if it might be advantageous to the survivors to lynch the known house member off their QT, and join the other House. I suggest this because then the cult can't recruit someone they can use to spy on our House's QT, or at least is it less likely that this will happen. And the opposing House would be down a member to plot with.

 

Hi Adella.

 

Is this your way of saying that you have a house QT, too?

 

Cool. :cool:

 

I think Red might be the more advantageous lynch for the survivors because she's a bigger fish than Smash, but a lot of us are already locked into our votes. It also seems like a lot more Starks have been outed since Red's reveal than Lannisters, probably making them the easier faction to take out right now.

 

 

Adella isn't on my houses QT board. hehehe i love it when the Starks get caught from the shadows. so which are you Adella, House member or Bannerman??

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I think we should look elsewhere for cult personally and deal with these two tomorrow..

 

from where I stand, this would be a great game for run up and reveal.. we have 12 people who can be vetted as either house or bannermen, another 3-4 we're pretty sure are suvivors already (and if we want to play the pm game we can increase that number, by running someone up who claims survivor and then asking them some survivor mechanics) we could easily narrow down the cult pool to a handful of players.. we lynch one and the starks/lannisters/survivors agree to fire into that same pool at night..

 

Now of course, the starks and lannisters may not liek this as it could result in most of them being outed... but as a survivor, i don't really care

Posted

the only thing i dislike abotu your scenario CTM is the revealing more survivor PM info. in this case the cult is likely to sit back, collect info and just feed us back whats already been said.

 

 

thsi is why people claiming their survivors based off PM info is useless thanks to the pissing contest D1 between jack & Ape; so much was revealed already that unless something new is pruposed we can't be sure.

 

what do you guys think about my theory of survivors not being able to accept gold if recruited by the cult or once they declare. you guys talk about giving up perks once switchignto a side, i'm assuming this is what you mean.

 

on that same branch, i also have to wonder if house members can be bribed too. too bad Smash isn't a house member; comparing who we've both baught for votes and whose declined woudl help further the pool for the cult.

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  On 8/18/2011 at 1:13 PM, Red2111 said:

the only thing i dislike abotu your scenario CTM is the revealing more survivor PM info. in this case the cult is likely to sit back, collect info and just feed us back whats already been said.

 

 

thsi is why people claiming their survivors based off PM info is useless thanks to the pissing contest D1 between jack & Ape; so much was revealed already that unless something new is pruposed we can't be sure.

 

what do you guys think about my theory of survivors not being able to accept gold if recruited by the cult or once they declare. you guys talk about giving up perks once switchignto a side, i'm assuming this is what you mean.

 

on that same branch, i also have to wonder if house members can be bribed too. too bad Smash isn't a house member; comparing who we've both baught for votes and whose declined woudl help further the pool for the cult.

right, maybe there's 1-2 more people we can vet.. but again that could bring us to 17-18 known entities... we just unleash all of our combined firepower on the other 8 it shouldn't take more then 2-3 days to kill them off

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  On 8/18/2011 at 1:16 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 1:13 PM, Red2111 said:

the only thing i dislike abotu your scenario CTM is the revealing more survivor PM info. in this case the cult is likely to sit back, collect info and just feed us back whats already been said.

 

 

thsi is why people claiming their survivors based off PM info is useless thanks to the pissing contest D1 between jack & Ape; so much was revealed already that unless something new is pruposed we can't be sure.

 

what do you guys think about my theory of survivors not being able to accept gold if recruited by the cult or once they declare. you guys talk about giving up perks once switchignto a side, i'm assuming this is what you mean.

 

on that same branch, i also have to wonder if house members can be bribed too. too bad Smash isn't a house member; comparing who we've both baught for votes and whose declined woudl help further the pool for the cult.

right, maybe there's 1-2 more people we can vet.. but again that could bring us to 17-18 known entities... we just unleash all of our combined firepower on the other 8 it shouldn't take more then 2-3 days to kill them off

 

 

Start with Vic. He's definitely not on the level.

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  On 8/18/2011 at 12:59 PM, Red2111 said:

okay first, for a 3rd time i was typing fast with out previewing my posts last night cause DM kept crashing. it's 4 House members on the QT bord with two bannermen. the banner men don't know eachother or house member DM handles; and all us House members know are their character names (hence the pressure on Smash to reveal)

 

 

2nd, Adella about Jack. yes your correct that we didn't knwo Jack was one of ours. we suspected later on because Jack dropped a hint that sounded Lannisterish; it had something to do with Gold. yes i realize he's not one of our original bannermen. but the reaction on thread was that people were leaning towards joinging house Stark (points to the Ape) because Jackhad switched to house Lannister, there for putting us in a weaker position on thread. its all about perception Adella, and the fact that Jack choose lannister then got lynched means the perception was negtive agaisnt us to start with because of that; hence my reluctance to reveal until i was close to the lynch.

 

also, nice over reaction at my tiny itty bitty poke.

 

 

3rd about smash; i'm still waiting for Kiv to answer the question about being able to move the votes on the QT board, i've said multiple times on thread i'm willing to put off hunting Starks in favor of a joint hunt against the Dragons.

 

Smash, money didn't start flying until A) you accused me of cult and B) you were jerking the entire thread around on your reveal, feeding us little tid bits at a time and dragging it out absurdly. had you just revealed when pressure mounted, likely this whole buying spree agaisnt you wouldn't have happened.

 

i'm not trying to place any blame on Smash for my own actions; i dug my own grave rather good this time, hazords of playing a dangerous game with players who are alot better than me; i shoudl have known not to fish with the NKs question but you cant put toothpaste back in the tube.

 

 

also Smash, it's interesting that your also talking now about hunting cult; yet you have yet to put your actions where your words are. i've actively switch off focusing on you and tried to turn the atemtion of the game to other people; you on the other hand seemed to be infatuated with a lynch on me still. either put up or shut up, cause i'm still not 100% that you aren't cult. for this i'm goign to ask the Starks for a show of faith.

 

 

We've countered wombys offer he sent via raven; send him an offer to if Smash is telling the truth about his Jorry claim. this allows you lot still to remain in the shadows while confriming your banner man so we can jointly focus on finding the effing cult. theres alot of sense in this, and no i don't care abotu amounts being offered on your side; i'm not digging for info abotu your house or how little money you have to throw around, i'm more interested about the cult.

 

Yes Ape, i know you claim the Starks countered you, but frankly i don't trust you. it's better to have a few

 

 

The reason I held back was because its not a good idea to reveal at this point I was hopeing it would blow over but it did not.

 

Just because my vote is sitting on you does not mean Im not hunting Cult. Ill move my vote when the time comes.

 

What should tell you Im a bannerman is the lack of votes coming my way, you should need no more proof than this, anything else is wasting time.

 

@CTM who was the first to claim that survivors should know why the NK's did not go through you or the APE ?

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CTM, your plan would sound great except for that pesky little issue of Survivors having to choose a House by D3, or play solo. You also seem to be fogetting that one a vote is paid for and placed, it stays put for the day. I'm not sure that I feel real good about you right now...

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  On 8/18/2011 at 1:23 PM, Smash said:

 

The reason I held back was because its not a good idea to reveal at this point I was hopeing it would blow over but it did not.

 

Just because my vote is sitting on you does not mean Im not hunting Cult. Ill move my vote when the time comes.

 

What should tell you Im a bannerman is the lack of votes coming my way, you should need no more proof than this, anything else is wasting time.

 

@CTM who was the first to claim that survivors should know why the NK's did not go through you or the APE ?

 

 

Me and Hybrid, were the first to point it out.

Posted
  On 8/18/2011 at 1:24 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

CTM, your plan would sound great except for that pesky little issue of Survivors having to choose a House by D3, or play solo. You also seem to be fogetting that one a vote is paid for and placed, it stays put for the day. I'm not sure that I feel real good about you right now...

 

hey while your at it why dont you post the entire freakin PM for survivors ?

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  On 8/18/2011 at 1:18 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 1:16 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/18/2011 at 1:13 PM, Red2111 said:

the only thing i dislike abotu your scenario CTM is the revealing more survivor PM info. in this case the cult is likely to sit back, collect info and just feed us back whats already been said.

 

 

thsi is why people claiming their survivors based off PM info is useless thanks to the pissing contest D1 between jack & Ape; so much was revealed already that unless something new is pruposed we can't be sure.

 

what do you guys think about my theory of survivors not being able to accept gold if recruited by the cult or once they declare. you guys talk about giving up perks once switchignto a side, i'm assuming this is what you mean.

 

on that same branch, i also have to wonder if house members can be bribed too. too bad Smash isn't a house member; comparing who we've both baught for votes and whose declined woudl help further the pool for the cult.

right, maybe there's 1-2 more people we can vet.. but again that could bring us to 17-18 known entities... we just unleash all of our combined firepower on the other 8 it shouldn't take more then 2-3 days to kill them off

 

 

Start with Vic. He's definitely not on the level.

 

Let's not start with anyone quite yet - let's just quietly reflect on what we know, keeping details to ourselves because they can be used constructively (instead of tossing them into the air like freaking confetti...) and wait for the mod to answer a few questions. I have a feeling something might come of that.

 

 

 

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  On 8/18/2011 at 1:24 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

CTM, your plan would sound great except for that pesky little issue of Survivors having to choose a House by D3, or play solo. You also seem to be fogetting that one a vote is paid for and placed, it stays put for the day. I'm not sure that I feel real good about you right now...

 

Do we know that about bought votes for sure? Where was it made common knowledge, or is this a slip?

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