[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[John McClane]

  On 8/16/2011 at 10:52 PM, Sharrow said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 6:15 PM, Kivam said:

There is some (real or feigned) confusion about terminology. I did not intend for the terminology to become an issue in the game, so let me clear it up:

 

Factions are the teams in this game: Lannister, Stark, Cult, Survivor (each Survivor is a faction of one)

 

The Lannister and Stark factions have two components:

 

House Lannister and House Stark - composed of Lannister and Stark family members (characters from the series) who know and can talk to each other in a House QT

 

and

 

Lannister and Stark Bannermen - who win with a defined faction (the Lannisters or the Starks) but are not a part of the House QT

 

Stark Bannermen are part of the Stark Faction - but they are not a part of House Stark and do not participate in the House Stark QT

 

Lannister Bannermen are part of the Lannister Faction - but they are not a part of House Lannister and do not participate in the House Lannister QT.

 

Savvy?

 

 

He also told me in PM that the families won't know who their bannermen are.

 

I asked the same question just now. No response yet... if true, it shoots my theory to the crapper... that and some of the points made some others.

 

JN players will tell you when I jump into Ape mode, I focus so much on bickering that I lose sight of big picture. Which is why i wanted to vet this theory of mine about how to narrow the pool. I guess it sucks, haha... not surprised.

[John McClane]

Confirmed, answer was "no".

[Lanthirrhos]

  On 8/16/2011 at 10:29 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 10:13 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

 

I'm going to ditto this... survivor isn't "innocent". You too are overplaying someone's role as much as John. It's not like all survivors have to be on the same team ultimately. And they certainly aren't right now. This game could go any direction with survivors joining different sides. For example, some may join the side that loses the initial member because they want to be scum. They may have a better chance at winning that way because they can pretend to have flopped to the side with more people. Are you going to know?

 

I'm an un pledged survivor.. to me other unpledged survivors are innocent.. Reason being is the starks and lannister factions are going to be firing whatever they got into the pool of us, looking for the other.. As far as I'm concenred, they are 2 scum teams that I have a choice of joining.. We are caught between and will catch bullets/actions meant for the others..

 

re:the cult.. Hates cults, they are insidious and evil and I strongly hope not to be converted as it kind of spoils the game for me.. but obv, they are evil as well..

 

So yeah, from my perspective we lynched an innocent, who seemed pretty clearly innocent until he put his foot in his mouth.. Now at night we can have conversions and deaths, which means there was nothing good about today's lynch..

 

I also believe Jack switched at the last moment, and casing based on it is a waste of time... Even if he did switch early, what Lannister would stick thier neck out for a bannerman with 1 foot in the grave..

 

 

He was pledged.... so by your definition, he wasn't "innocent". So............ lol.

 

Fail.

 

John--Oh trust me, I know the feeling on playing scummy no matter what team you're on. MJers will attest that I know it. Of course, the lines on scum and town are VERY blurry at MJ sometimes what with Mynd and I... and by proxy, everyone else. So I know only too well that my typical scum-play can be used to cover up actual scumminess when I'm playing with people who know me. And that seems like a lot of back-peddling and blame-on-ape-mode there. Count me as leary.

 

That said, there's a lot of finger pointing at John. There were thirteen others on that lynch, aye? and there were a good few others not trying that hard to stop the lynch. So I'm thinking that the loudest finger pointers have the most to hide at this point, especially when you're making THAT big a deal on a day one lynch, ESPECIALLY when Jack brought most of it on himself.

[WWWwombat]

Imo, we broken clocked/blind squirreled our way into lynching someone who was no longer a Survivor. Those of us on the lynch were on it for faulty reasons, but it wasn't a bad result so whatever.

[Lanthirrhos]

Exactly, the blame game is way out of proportion with the goings-on.

[CTM]

  On 8/17/2011 at 12:36 AM, Lanthirrhos said:

He was pledged.... so by your definition, he wasn't "innocent". So............ lol.

 

Fail.

Clearly he pledged as a result of the size of this train. If you're going to play thick, might as well play as thick as possible. Get a brain moran!

 

 

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That said, there's a lot of finger pointing at John. There were thirteen others on that lynch, aye? and there were a good few others not trying that hard to stop the lynch. So I'm thinking that the loudest finger pointers have the most to hide at this point, especially when you're making THAT big a deal on a day one lynch, ESPECIALLY when Jack brought most of it on himself.

No, he's getting heat cause he's taking credit for it like it was some kind of accomplishment, which is his M.O... I highly doubt anyone's going to vote him for his ridiculous chest pounding, unless they'd just like to flush him out of the game like the turd he is..

 

//cue ape saying he was just kidding/baiting/trapping, BS is my preemptive response, lets spare the thread the execution of that line..

[Verbal32]

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:52 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Can we table this for a little bit? Jack flipped. We don't know when anyone else will or if they have already. The ones who can will when they feel it is advantageous. This leveling the playing fields shit is also known as a pointless conversation. Table it. Move on.

 

Now, John, do I have to call you a dick or a douche or something to get you to tell me how the hell your case on Verbal made any kind of sense? I asked you pages ago. Making a case is great, but make the case, don't post some bullshit.

 

It didn't. He thought he had me by not knowing win conditions, but misread (apparently) Kiv's post...or his own, which is ever more weird, but whatever. Bottom line: he has no case, and all he'll push is that he thinks my tone switched on Jack. However, it's been stated now that family members don't know the bannermen, so there is no way, if I was a Lannister, that I would know Jack joined. So his case is gone.

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 10:02 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:55 PM, Red2111 said:

John, i'm not buying it. imo, the only sure plan for winning this game is focusing on the cult first and then worring about the house war after.

 

the cult is a common enemy, i'm more likely to win by casting my lot with them than givening the cult a chance to recruit; so it's better for me to want to lynch anyone with a cultish personality ASAP.

 

 

i also hate that your trying to push people into publicly declaring what house they go to, if they chose to go at all. first off, we can't trust what people say they declare on thread, and i'm sure Kiv has put in restrictions that make hunting the cult so easy as "we all get to one side and then we'll know who the cult it"

 

 

makes me wish jack would mad you fly through the moon door instead of the reverse.

 

I'm advocating an approach that would isolate the cult though... I understand what you are saying, but the odds of us finding cult out of 25 players is probably low.

 

The odds of us finding Lannister late on my train, or defending Jack, or distancing from Jack suddenly is better. We lynch a lannister, and then the numbers advantage goes to Stark. Survivors all declare stark and then we have a much better pool to hunt cult from. Its an indirect route, but it in no way is advocating we de-prioritize hunting cult.

 

Additionally, I say all this under the assumption that the original Stark house would know who everyone of their bannermen are... then it wouldn't be a on-thread declaration. It might be flawed, but its what I've got. I'm trying to vet it with you guys as a plan --- if you want to twist it into a case on me, fine.

 

I think you know this, but just in case, the Lannisters could just claim that they were survivors that joined the Starks. They'll even have fake name claims ready. So this method won't work. At least, as far as I know.....perhaps there is something we haven't thought of yet.

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 11:25 PM, Naeann said:

Good god I hate having to read twenty pages in one sitting to catch up.

 

In better news... I had a job interview yesterday... wish me luck!!

 

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CTM]

  On 8/17/2011 at 12:47 AM, WWWwombat said:

Imo, we broken clocked/blind squirreled our way into lynching someone who was no longer a Survivor. Those of us on the lynch were on it for faulty reasons, but it wasn't a bad result so whatever.

I see jack isn't thought of too highly around here.. lol

 

If jack pledged early he might come just better retire for good.. Can't think of any reason anyone would think to do that..

 

imo, he pledged late when it was all but over.. it's the only play that makes sense and I think most survivors would know why

[CTM]

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:12 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

I think you know this, but just in case, the Lannisters could just claim that they were survivors that joined the Starks. They'll even have fake name claims ready. So this method won't work. At least, as far as I know.....perhaps there is something we haven't thought of yet.

 

 

I think i originally offered that and it was when I incorrectly assumed the faction/bannerman relationship wouldn't be completely anonymous.. that's been cleared up, so ya, no worky

[WWWwombat]

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:14 AM, CTM said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 12:47 AM, WWWwombat said:

Imo, we broken clocked/blind squirreled our way into lynching someone who was no longer a Survivor. Those of us on the lynch were on it for faulty reasons, but it wasn't a bad result so whatever.

I see jack isn't thought of too highly around here.. lol

 

If jack pledged early he might come just better retire for good.. Can't think of any reason anyone would think to do that..

 

imo, he pledged late when it was all but over.. it's the only play that makes sense and I think most survivors would know why

 

He was actually really highly regarded before he left. Great if unconventional scumhunter as town, and pulled the Twofer Gambit and other slick moves as scum. Unfortunately, since he came back, he's been acting crazier and more anti-town. Hopefully he settles back into what made him great.

[Red2111]

CTM jack is thought of highly aroudn here for the most part imo. it just demo's the difference of players from here and JN.

 

 

okay so Kiv stated before a bit about the bannermen correct, and this is before jack got lynched. doesn't anyone else thin its odd that John pushed this thoery about bannermen being on Qt vboards adn stuff without asking the mod after the mod openingly welcomed questions.

 

imo, if he really cared about doing this to make it easier to find the cult, he woudl have asked Kiv abotuthe unknowns before posting it on thread to prevetn exactly whats happening now from happening.

 

 

also, anyone selse get a "DM is too buisy to process your request" when you try to post. it's happened twice to me tonight.

 

 

[Pac]

  On 8/17/2011 at 12:36 AM, Lanthirrhos said:

That said, there's a lot of finger pointing at John. There were thirteen others on that lynch, aye? and there were a good few others not trying that hard to stop the lynch. So I'm thinking that the loudest finger pointers have the most to hide at this point, especially when you're making THAT big a deal on a day one lynch, ESPECIALLY when Jack brought most of it on himself.

 

Your defense of the dumb ape is noted.

 

What you don't seem to understand, but will in time, is that pile of rubbish continually brings this on himself. Look no further than his latest series of posts for evidence. It's always about how the game reacts to him or that his verbal diarrhea is actually an elaborate trap he's set. It's funny but it's also ridiculous.

 

As such I reserve the right to bust his balls and call him a stupid. Try it, it's fun!

[Red2111]

what i mean by demo's the difference, is that i'm also considered Big Game here at DM by most posters; yet when thrown in with you guys, i look like i've only just started playing this game.

 

 

which is great for me cause i get to learn how to play better

[Pac]

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:22 AM, WWWwombat said:

He was actually really highly regarded before he left. Great if unconventional scumhunter as town, and pulled the Twofer Gambit and other slick moves as scum. Unfortunately, since he came back, he's been acting crazier and more anti-town. Hopefully he settles back into what made him great.

 

Jack is a crazy bastard and that's why I like him! Unfortunately he lied little too much as town in recent games which makes him an easy target for a day 1 lynch.

[DPR]

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:09 AM, CTM said:

Get a brain moran!

 

Get a dictionary! heh

 

 

 

 

[Red2111]

lmfao

[WWWwombat]

Lookie what I found:

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/44046-rey-mafia-julius-caesar-the-conspirators-have-killed-caesar/

 

One of the better non-Kivam/DPR games imo.

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:25 AM, Red2111 said:

what i mean by demo's the difference, is that i'm also considered Big Game here at DM by most posters; yet when thrown in with you guys, i look like i've only just started playing this game.

 

 

which is great for me cause i get to learn how to play better

We're not really all that good at this game. Most of us just like to keep saying that we are. Don't believe it for a second.

[Pac]

John McClane 102

CTM 51

Jack_D 45

WWWwombat 45

Bleedin Green 41

Verbal32 32

Alys Kinch 28

Sharrow 23

Barmacral 22

Hybrid 21

Vicious89x 19

Far Dareis Mai 19

The Crusher 18

Pac 18

DPR 18

Red2111 16

Lanthirrhos 15

slats 14

JF80 12

the dude 10

Naeann 9

BooBoo 8

LilyElizabeth 5

Smash 5

Adella 3

Myndrunner 1

 

 

 

 

I understand post count is not an ideal method for locating scum, but if we're going to start Cult Leader hunting I think it's reasonable to assume they might be in red.

 

Quick Factoid: John Mccasshat has more posts than the bottom 11 players combined.

[Vicious89x]

Honestly PAC I laid low because of the ass hatery. Hard to get an opinion in when stuff like that is happening.

[Red2111]

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:41 AM, WWWwombat said:

Lookie what I found:

 

http://www.dragonmou...-killed-caesar/

 

One of the better non-Kivam/DPR games imo.

 

 

 

 

from the "killed cesar" i suspected that was Reys game. my god that game was pure epicness and showed us the true damage scum cornered by a LD could do on a game. still ranks in my top 5 all time favs even though an effing SK did me off.

 

come to think of it, Womby wasn't that you, i can't rememer. i mostly rememebr the gambit between Lily and Ed. ah good times, good memories.

[WWWwombat]

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:53 AM, Vicious89x said:

Honestly PAC I laid low because of the ass hatery. Hard to get an opinion in when stuff like that is happening.

 

Also hard to get your bearing without a Fusion brother around amirite?

 

And yeah, Red, I was the cop. In my defense, it was my first ever game as cop.

[Red2111]

man this so makes me want to make an lolz theme mafia, the itch to mod is getting overwhelming tbh, i can't think i've modded one yet on DM 8.0

[Vicious89x]

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:57 AM, WWWwombat said:

  On 8/17/2011 at 1:53 AM, Vicious89x said:

Honestly PAC I laid low because of the ass hatery. Hard to get an opinion in when stuff like that is happening.

 

Also hard to get your bearing without a Fusion brother around amirite?

 

And yeah, Red, I was the cop. In my defense, it was my first ever game as cop.

 

No AVM. No JiF. Have to watch language and my spiderman pics. I feel powerless.

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/17/2011 at 2:03 AM, Vicious89x said:

No AVM. No JiF. Have to watch language and my spiderman pics. I feel powerless.

Other than the lack of spiderman pics, I'm not sure what's really so bad about that.