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  On 8/16/2011 at 9:16 PM, Bleedin Green said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:10 PM, John McClane said:

You guys have a problem with me running down Jack for stupidly misrepresenting his own win conditions, and ripping him for his sloppy lack of attention to detail... and ultimately handing you a lynch of an EX-survivor turned Lannister... tough crap.

 

D1 is always messy, I saw this lynch as a positive outcome though, you two boobs (CTM and VErbal) did all you could to get under my feet... I'm sure it won't be lost on everyone.

LOL. I'm glad you're so impressed with yourself about the bolded, but I'm not sure why exactly anyone should give a crap about that. But hey, if you want to take credit for a 14-person lynch of someone who was who they said they were, you go ahead and do that.

 

BG i think he was more pointing out to CTM that Jack was deadl adn therefor a vote on a dead guy is well pointless

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:18 PM, John McClane said:

You've really turned into a little bitch. Did anyone else put forth the effort to call that dumbass out on his crap? No. I'm taking credit for putting the time in... we got lucky he was ex-survivor, it means we go into D2 hopefully with a even playing field still.

 

 

i don't get it, where did the 180 come from. first your advocating casing people to see who did a 180 on Jack from "Lynch to Support" hence your weak ass case on Verb. now you want the playing field to be level.

 

whcih is it?

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  On 8/16/2011 at 9:22 PM, Hybrid said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:20 PM, CTM said:

You're unbelievable.. you handed us a survivor who switched sides before death in order to still be able to win.. (which was clever and i didn't think of)

 

he now wins with house lannister..

 

taking credit for lynching an innocent like you did something good is probably tops in you're over the top behavior...

 

My vote is for sale tomorrow.. I want to buy a weapon and kill this pig

 

Hm. Lannister?

Nope.. lol.. he was a survivor who joined a faction before dying.. meaning, he was innocent until he was forced to pledge.. which makes sense..

 

Now, that I'm caught up, I'll be going otuside again, if that's ok with the ape

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  On 8/16/2011 at 4:47 PM, slats said:

 

 

I think that's my biggest problem with Jack right now as well. He could be being completely honest when he lays out the idea that he's a survivor and this is his roadmap to victory - but it would be completely unlike Jack to be honest in one of these games. Ape, in the midst of all his words, makes a good point about Jack being able to put together most of his unforced reveal from Doggin's opening scene.

 

 

 

 

Plus he clearly pointed out how much he loves lying in these games and how well it has served him.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 5:41 PM, John McClane said:

Are you serious? Its in the opening scene you dope... call me stupid some more.

 

This is rich considering you fooled yourself into thinking you tricked Jack. I think this might end up being the funniest moment of the game for me. The "gotcha" where the person who was had was you!

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:06 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:02 PM, Verbal32 said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 4:24 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

Oh, and BooBoo is not a noob. BooBoo is an alt for someone popular who doesn't want to be barraged by "OMGCOMEBACK" pm's. I can relate.

 

Knew it.

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 4:56 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 4:38 PM, Red2111 said:

i'm gonna have to side with Verb & CTM on this one John. CTM hits this issue right on the head imo

 

Jack said the survivor win condition is to choose a faction and win with them, or die alone. However, the additional win condition that I've been withholding is that a survivor can stay independent and win at endgame as long as all cultists are dead.

 

I tried to withhold in order to not give faction-aligned and cult-aligned players the additional info for false claims, and also to see which players worked hardest to get me to reveal this tid-bit of info.

 

Jack clearly was unaware of the additional win condition.

 

CTM, Verbal and Red (you) all surfaced as people that didn't "get" what I was alluding to, and wanted the info spelled out.

 

People may not like how verbose I can be, but my goal, as always, is to elicit participation that could be informative later. I'm thinking we lynch one of Jack, CTM or Verbal, if they flip faction - survivors join the opposing faction, which should give that faction an advantage.

 

 

 

NOTE: I'm not caught up yet.

 

OMG Ape, you might be the most clueless person I've ever seen. YOU HAD ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION. Read below, dummy. Specifically in red. Survivors win with either house at endgame, or they join one of them. That's it. Then I added they could also win with the cult.

 

You think you're so smart, but you've tricked YOURSELF. This is downright hysterical. You are now saying that you were withholding the info on winning alone as long as they last 'till endgame? Kivam already said it....and you quoted it! And we...get this....read and understood it.

 

Apparently, you didn't, and devised this clever trap for.....yourself?

 

Oh.My.God.

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:51 PM, John McClane said:

The Stark House and Bannermen will win when all of the Lannister House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead. The Lannister House and Bannermen will win when the Stark House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead.

Survivors can win with either the Starks or the Lannisters, so long as they are alive at endgame. And survivors have the option of joining either the Stark or Lannister faction.

 

And if the Cult wins, everyone else loses.

 

 

I fully understood the post you dick. Which is why it was so glaring that Jack didn't understand his own win condition.

 

Oh. My. God. You are dramatic like a chick... hehe. :rolleyes:

 

Idiot. How about your awful casing of me, eh? When I read and understood Kivam's posts, and then when you said there was another win condition, I added THE ONLY OTHER VIABLE ONE...winning with the cult. And then you said no, there was more....and used that to case me along with CTM. But, seeing that you're a d-nozzle, blew up in your face in spectacular fashion.

 

I love this game.

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:18 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:16 PM, Bleedin Green said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:10 PM, John McClane said:

You guys have a problem with me running down Jack for stupidly misrepresenting his own win conditions, and ripping him for his sloppy lack of attention to detail... and ultimately handing you a lynch of an EX-survivor turned Lannister... tough crap.

 

D1 is always messy, I saw this lynch as a positive outcome though, you two boobs (CTM and VErbal) did all you could to get under my feet... I'm sure it won't be lost on everyone.

LOL. I'm glad you're so impressed with yourself about the bolded, but I'm not sure why exactly anyone should give a crap about that. But hey, if you want to take credit for a 14-person lynch of someone who was who they said they were, you go ahead and do that.

 

You've really turned into a little bitch. Did anyone else put forth the effort to call that dumbass out on his crap? No. I'm taking credit for putting the time in... we got lucky he was ex-survivor, it means we go into D2 hopefully with a even playing field still.

 

Are you serious? Any survivor can just choose a side prior to being lynched....I don't see what the big deal is here. We didn't tip the scale in #s....the houses all have the same original people....we just lynched one person who gave the Lannisters a 1-man advantage (not knowing other potential moves).

 

This is incredible. If you are a survivor, please purchase a gun and shoot at your tonsils. Thanks in advance.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 9:24 PM, Bleedin Green said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:18 PM, John McClane said:

You've really turned into a little bitch. Did anyone else put forth the effort to call that dumbass out on his crap? No. I'm taking credit for putting the time in... we got lucky he was ex-survivor, it means we go into D2 hopefully with a even playing field still.

Serious question: why should anyone who isn't already cult or stark aligned give a crap about Jack's alignment choice?

 

My understanding is that its probably best to eliminate one of the 2 families, then hunt Cult. Jack declared an alignment, and in the process could have had people trying to save his butt, if any of those people trying to save his butt leads us to a Lannister - then as an independent survivor, I'd lean towards choosing Stark... which is what people have been saying they wanted to see happen. Have 1 family emerge with a numbers advantage, and then all survivors swing to that family and wipe out the smaller family and cult.

 

This is how I'm looking at it at least... perhaps nobody that defended Jack was Lannister though, but its the best I could extract from D1 given the circumstances.

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  On 8/16/2011 at 9:25 PM, Red2111 said:

 

i don't get it, where did the 180 come from. first your advocating casing people to see who did a 180 on Jack from "Lynch to Support" hence your weak ass case on Verb. now you want the playing field to be level.

 

whcih is it?

 

What I mean is that by lynching an ex-survivor, we enter D2 in position to tilt the balance like we talked about doing today... hopefully with the max amount of survivors to declare for whichever family ends up with the numbers advantage.

 

We come into D2 with even numbers - hopefully lynch an original Lannister that defended Jack - and then the remaining survivors all swing to Stark, giving us a true "town" group, that can then weed out remaining lannisters and Cult. Obviously its idealistic, as it assumes we get a lannister on D2, but that is how I saw it playing out. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 7:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 5:45 PM, WWWwombat said:

Just caught up and I think the case on Jack is trumped up to the extreme but then again it's day one so what do you expect? Like CTM, I read Jack's now infamous statement as a strategic/pragmatic judgment rather than a literal statement of win condition. The fact that the Ape has conjured a case out of nothing and is being supported by a select few on it means we get good info from lynching the Ape imo. If Ape flips Stark or Lannister or one of their bannermen, then we need to look at Adella, Far, and anyone else who is strongly supporting the Ape's case on Jack.

 

I'm still catching up. I never thought I'd see myself agreeing with Wombat, but I do agree with the bolded. Jack seems to me to just have been being his dramatic self, not talking as if he didn't know what the win conditions are.

 

I'll confess to being more than a little lost here. Not only is this a huge game, with players that make me look like a beginner, but the setup is non-traditional. I'm just being quiet and watching, mostly.

 

Oh my goodness, you lynched someone while I wasn't around? I have no idea what's going on.

 

I'm roughly 99% certain that you're up to no good one way or the other, Lily. :laugh:

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  On 8/16/2011 at 9:24 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:22 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:19 PM, Red2111 said:

CTM you do realize it's night right ...

 

 

unless ofcourse your only skimming and paying attention to posts from John

 

 

CTM used to be good at this game... until he decided he loves monkey peener. He's only played one impressive game recently, and he tricked everyone but me... I own his stinky ass.

see.. the ape thinks and talks about me incessantly, then I'm forced to respond, and he turns around and accuses me of it.. but the reality is if you look at QT's.. it's ape always tralking about me, and I almost never mention him <realtalk>

 

Everyone knows you are gay for me... everyone. Not that gay is a bad thing, but it is when its creepy and unbathed CTM gay.

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John you are so cultastic!!

 

first you want to eliminate one family and have people declare on thread which faction they choose, then you'r relieved jack was a survivor turned lannister so that the #s are back to normal, and now you jump back to your orignal lets lynch an entire family.

 

 

i think only cult would be feeling the need to do away with one family at the time, since 1 is the lonlest number, even more than 2 and by the OP with Viserys dead my guess is it's only Danny right now.

 

and i think only cult woudl see the benefit in people declaring early honestly when theres no rush.

 

 

my votes for sale as well, so long as it's to hang the stinking LLL.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:43 PM, Red2111 said:

John you are so cultastic!!

 

first you want to eliminate one family and have people declare on thread which faction they choose, then you'r relieved jack was a survivor turned lannister so that the #s are back to normal, and now you jump back to your orignal lets lynch an entire family.

 

 

i think only cult would be feeling the need to do away with one family at the time, since 1 is the lonlest number, even more than 2 and by the OP with Viserys dead my guess is it's only Danny right now.

 

and i think only cult woudl see the benefit in people declaring early honestly when theres no rush.

 

 

my votes for sale as well, so long as it's to hang the stinking LLL.

 

 

I believe CTM suggested similar approach, have all survivors work together and join one family. At least that was how I interpreted what he wrote.

 

Anyway, it makes sense to me - combine all survivors with one family, then it becomes a very small pool to lynch from to kill the cult, I would think.

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If you think I'm a lannister or plan on casing me for the fact that i was defending jack form the beggining for accurately calling he was a fellow survivor, then I will gladly pledge Stark now...

 

just waiting for doggin to see if that's ok with him, he wouldn't answer in thread

Posted

Can we table this for a little bit? Jack flipped. We don't know when anyone else will or if they have already. The ones who can will when they feel it is advantageous. This leveling the playing fields shit is also known as a pointless conversation. Table it. Move on.

 

Now, John, do I have to call you a dick or a douche or something to get you to tell me how the hell your case on Verbal made any kind of sense? I asked you pages ago. Making a case is great, but make the case, don't post some bullshit.

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John, i'm not buying it. imo, the only sure plan for winning this game is focusing on the cult first and then worring about the house war after.

 

the cult is a common enemy, i'm more likely to win by casting my lot with them than givening the cult a chance to recruit; so it's better for me to want to lynch anyone with a cultish personality ASAP.

 

 

i also hate that your trying to push people into publicly declaring what house they go to, if they chose to go at all. first off, we can't trust what people say they declare on thread, and i'm sure Kiv has put in restrictions that make hunting the cult so easy as "we all get to one side and then we'll know who the cult it"

 

 

makes me wish jack would mad you fly through the moon door instead of the reverse.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:49 PM, CTM said:

If you think I'm a lannister or plan on casing me for the fact that i was defending jack form the beggining for accurately calling he was a fellow survivor, then I will gladly pledge Stark now...

 

just waiting for doggin to see if that's ok with him, he wouldn't answer in thread

 

Not in my plans at the moment... I'm hoping at some point you remember how to take advantage of how I play, to start putting some things together here. So far, the only thing JN players seem capable of doing is say "OMG the Ape is playing so... Apey" like its a huge shock that I stuck my neck way out there on D1, in and effort to start this game with a bang.

 

Let's imagine for a minute we are able to lynch a Lannister tomorrow that distanced from Jack or something, perhaps on re-read we'll see something... anyway, be idealist, if we do lynch and original Lanny does it make sense to then have all the survivors join the Stark family? In theory it would allow the Stark family to operate as a town, with 1 enemy (the Cult) and 1 group of disposable players (the rest of the Lannisters).

 

It makes sense to me, and seems to be what everyone has alluded to... now I suggest it and others are calling me cult? Anyway, that is the best case scenario I felt this Jack lynch set up for us. Shelve the trash talk for just a bit and think it out with me here... I'm still exhausted from vacation, and you've seen me play this game tired... help me vet this.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:52 PM, Alys Kinch said:

Can we table this for a little bit? Jack flipped. We don't know when anyone else will or if they have already. The ones who can will when they feel it is advantageous. This leveling the playing fields shit is also known as a pointless conversation. Table it. Move on.

 

Now, John, do I have to call you a dick or a douche or something to get you to tell me how the hell your case on Verbal made any kind of sense? I asked you pages ago. Making a case is great, but make the case, don't post some bullshit.

 

Not ignored. I planned on responding to that when the day phase starts, cool?

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:55 PM, Red2111 said:

John, i'm not buying it. imo, the only sure plan for winning this game is focusing on the cult first and then worring about the house war after.

 

the cult is a common enemy, i'm more likely to win by casting my lot with them than givening the cult a chance to recruit; so it's better for me to want to lynch anyone with a cultish personality ASAP.

 

 

i also hate that your trying to push people into publicly declaring what house they go to, if they chose to go at all. first off, we can't trust what people say they declare on thread, and i'm sure Kiv has put in restrictions that make hunting the cult so easy as "we all get to one side and then we'll know who the cult it"

 

 

makes me wish jack would mad you fly through the moon door instead of the reverse.

 

I'm advocating an approach that would isolate the cult though... I understand what you are saying, but the odds of us finding cult out of 25 players is probably low.

 

The odds of us finding Lannister late on my train, or defending Jack, or distancing from Jack suddenly is better. We lynch a lannister, and then the numbers advantage goes to Stark. Survivors all declare stark and then we have a much better pool to hunt cult from. Its an indirect route, but it in no way is advocating we de-prioritize hunting cult.

 

Additionally, I say all this under the assumption that the original Stark house would know who everyone of their bannermen are... then it wouldn't be a on-thread declaration. It might be flawed, but its what I've got. I'm trying to vet it with you guys as a plan --- if you want to twist it into a case on me, fine.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 10:02 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:55 PM, Red2111 said:

John, i'm not buying it. imo, the only sure plan for winning this game is focusing on the cult first and then worring about the house war after.

 

the cult is a common enemy, i'm more likely to win by casting my lot with them than givening the cult a chance to recruit; so it's better for me to want to lynch anyone with a cultish personality ASAP.

 

 

i also hate that your trying to push people into publicly declaring what house they go to, if they chose to go at all. first off, we can't trust what people say they declare on thread, and i'm sure Kiv has put in restrictions that make hunting the cult so easy as "we all get to one side and then we'll know who the cult it"

 

 

makes me wish jack would mad you fly through the moon door instead of the reverse.

 

I'm advocating an approach that would isolate the cult though... I understand what you are saying, but the odds of us finding cult out of 25 players is probably low.

 

The odds of us finding Lannister late on my train, or defending Jack, or distancing from Jack suddenly is better. We lynch a lannister, and then the numbers advantage goes to Stark. Survivors all declare stark and then we have a much better pool to hunt cult from. Its an indirect route, but it in no way is advocating we de-prioritize hunting cult.

 

Additionally, I say all this under the assumption that the original Stark house would know who everyone of their bannermen are... then it wouldn't be a on-thread declaration. It might be flawed, but its what I've got. I'm trying to vet it with you guys as a plan --- if you want to twist it into a case on me, fine.

 

Who's to say at what stage Jack pledged allegiance. Everything you're talking about is really out there.

Posted

John--You're overplaying Jack's alignment as though it's a great thing that he was lynched--pointless. You may be able to check post history and see if anyone flopped off of him when he changed, but that's not great victory like you are making out. We frankly could look at vote and post history for any old lynch. The only great thing about this lynch is that we removed a third of the love triangle. :tongue:

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:22 PM, Hybrid said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:20 PM, CTM said:

You're unbelievable.. you handed us a survivor who switched sides before death in order to still be able to win.. (which was clever and i didn't think of)

 

he now wins with house lannister..

 

taking credit for lynching an innocent like you did something good is probably tops in you're over the top behavior...

 

My vote is for sale tomorrow.. I want to buy a weapon and kill this pig

 

Hm. Lannister?

 

I'm going to ditto this... survivor isn't "innocent". You too are overplaying someone's role as much as John. It's not like all survivors have to be on the same team ultimately. And they certainly aren't right now. This game could go any direction with survivors joining different sides. For example, some may join the side that loses the initial member because they want to be scum. They may have a better chance at winning that way because they can pretend to have flopped to the side with more people. Are you going to know?

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:24 PM, Bleedin Green said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:18 PM, John McClane said:

You've really turned into a little bitch. Did anyone else put forth the effort to call that dumbass out on his crap? No. I'm taking credit for putting the time in... we got lucky he was ex-survivor, it means we go into D2 hopefully with a even playing field still.

Serious question: why should anyone who isn't already cult or stark aligned give a crap about Jack's alignment choice?

 

Precisely.

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:32 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:24 PM, Bleedin Green said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:18 PM, John McClane said:

You've really turned into a little bitch. Did anyone else put forth the effort to call that dumbass out on his crap? No. I'm taking credit for putting the time in... we got lucky he was ex-survivor, it means we go into D2 hopefully with a even playing field still.

Serious question: why should anyone who isn't already cult or stark aligned give a crap about Jack's alignment choice?

 

My understanding is that its probably best to eliminate one of the 2 families, then hunt Cult. Jack declared an alignment, and in the process could have had people trying to save his butt, if any of those people trying to save his butt leads us to a Lannister - then as an independent survivor, I'd lean towards choosing Stark... which is what people have been saying they wanted to see happen. Have 1 family emerge with a numbers advantage, and then all survivors swing to that family and wipe out the smaller family and cult.

 

This is how I'm looking at it at least... perhaps nobody that defended Jack was Lannister though, but its the best I could extract from D1 given the circumstances.

 

That is culty as hell.

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 9:47 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:43 PM, Red2111 said:

John you are so cultastic!!

 

first you want to eliminate one family and have people declare on thread which faction they choose, then you'r relieved jack was a survivor turned lannister so that the #s are back to normal, and now you jump back to your orignal lets lynch an entire family.

 

 

i think only cult would be feeling the need to do away with one family at the time, since 1 is the lonlest number, even more than 2 and by the OP with Viserys dead my guess is it's only Danny right now.

 

and i think only cult woudl see the benefit in people declaring early honestly when theres no rush.

 

 

my votes for sale as well, so long as it's to hang the stinking LLL.

 

 

I believe CTM suggested similar approach, have all survivors work together and join one family. At least that was how I interpreted what he wrote.

 

Anyway, it makes sense to me - combine all survivors with one family, then it becomes a very small pool to lynch from to kill the cult, I would think.

 

The cult is going to have claim-names, are they not? they can just claim to be survivors who flopped to the numerical side. Are you going to know? Oh god, a catch phrase.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 9:20 PM, CTM said:

You're unbelievable.. you handed us a survivor who switched sides before death in order to still be able to win.. (which was clever and i didn't think of)

 

he now wins with house lannister..

 

taking credit for lynching an innocent like you did something good is probably tops in you're over the top behavior...

 

My vote is for sale tomorrow.. I want to buy a weapon and kill this pig

 

well done.

Posted

Ok I just caught myself actually rolling up my sleeves to type this thing up. THAT'S how long I've been sitting here reading. Holy Bejeebus. :cool:

 

I wish Sirayn was here. She'd tell us what to do in this mess. Then we'd all end up dead at her daintly little feet.

 

This is going way back but gotcha Verbal, didn't know you knew Hellsing (or at least didn't remember). True enough that I started the practice in mafia.

 

K, 'nough for memory lane for now.

 

I'll say this McClane; you can write with proper punctuation. Kind of a lot of talking for my taste but a game needs talkers. I like talkers. They slip up easier than the quiet ones.

 

For the record, my own radio silence is purely a schedule thing. I miss my old job where I could pretty much hang out here all day and get paid for the pleasure. Alas, it is no more.

 

So far I don't know that John can claim credit for any amazing results here; okay, yes, we killed a survivor-turned-Lannister and some information could be gleaned from voting patterns. But the death itself doesn't provide any real immediate benefit like a dead cultist would.

 

I'm thinking out loud here guys so bear with me.

 

So he may have provided some benefit, but his own death could have potentially produced just as much information, and he could also be a cultist anyway. That Jack died instead is basically incidental, it being the first day.

 

All I'm getting at is whether or not we should just kill him off tomorrow for the sake of poor ol' duder's brain. My eyes were crossing there and the caustic tone, while very amusing if you imagine it as John McClane himself saying it all, is less than ideal. Has he contributed enough to warrant keeping him around? Let's put it to a vote. In the morning. :cool:

 

I kid, McClane, I kid. Well, mostly. You've gotta be aware of the fact that being this visible is going to make you a target day and probably night too. You seem to be okay with that so I'm sure you won't mind me pointing it out.

 

Sifting through the rest for actual evidence is going to take more than one read, and folks I just don't have it in me right now. I know that a number of people have bumped what they consider relevant comments but there's no good in relying on the work of others when you can't be sure they're not working an agenda too. And yes I know that's basic theory; I've been off a long time, just knocking off some rust here.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 10:13 PM, Lanthirrhos said:

 

I'm going to ditto this... survivor isn't "innocent". You too are overplaying someone's role as much as John. It's not like all survivors have to be on the same team ultimately. And they certainly aren't right now. This game could go any direction with survivors joining different sides. For example, some may join the side that loses the initial member because they want to be scum. They may have a better chance at winning that way because they can pretend to have flopped to the side with more people. Are you going to know?

 

I'm an un pledged survivor.. to me other unpledged survivors are innocent.. Reason being is the starks and lannister factions are going to be firing whatever they got into the pool of us, looking for the other.. As far as I'm concenred, they are 2 scum teams that I have a choice of joining.. We are caught between and will catch bullets/actions meant for the others..

 

re:the cult.. Hates cults, they are insidious and evil and I strongly hope not to be converted as it kind of spoils the game for me.. but obv, they are evil as well..

 

So yeah, from my perspective we lynched an innocent, who seemed pretty clearly innocent until he put his foot in his mouth.. Now at night we can have conversions and deaths, which means there was nothing good about today's lynch..

 

I also believe Jack switched at the last moment, and casing based on it is a waste of time... Even if he did switch early, what Lannister would stick thier neck out for a bannerman with 1 foot in the grave..

Posted

They could be running a deke; bring him on, jump on the bandwagon, and look like non-Lannisters in the deal. Just a thought.

Posted
  On 8/16/2011 at 10:21 PM, the dude said:

Ok I just caught myself actually rolling up my sleeves to type this thing up. THAT'S how long I've been sitting here reading. Holy Bejeebus. :cool:

 

I wish Sirayn was here. She'd tell us what to do in this mess. Then we'd all end up dead at her daintly little feet.

 

This is going way back but gotcha Verbal, didn't know you knew Hellsing (or at least didn't remember). True enough that I started the practice in mafia.

 

K, 'nough for memory lane for now.

 

I'll say this McClane; you can write with proper punctuation. Kind of a lot of talking for my taste but a game needs talkers. I like talkers. They slip up easier than the quiet ones.

 

For the record, my own radio silence is purely a schedule thing. I miss my old job where I could pretty much hang out here all day and get paid for the pleasure. Alas, it is no more.

 

So far I don't know that John can claim credit for any amazing results here; okay, yes, we killed a survivor-turned-Lannister and some information could be gleaned from voting patterns. But the death itself doesn't provide any real immediate benefit like a dead cultist would.

 

I'm thinking out loud here guys so bear with me.

 

So he may have provided some benefit, but his own death could have potentially produced just as much information, and he could also be a cultist anyway. That Jack died instead is basically incidental, it being the first day.

 

All I'm getting at is whether or not we should just kill him off tomorrow for the sake of poor ol' duder's brain. My eyes were crossing there and the caustic tone, while very amusing if you imagine it as John McClane himself saying it all, is less than ideal. Has he contributed enough to warrant keeping him around? Let's put it to a vote. In the morning. :cool:

 

I kid, McClane, I kid. Well, mostly. You've gotta be aware of the fact that being this visible is going to make you a target day and probably night too. You seem to be okay with that so I'm sure you won't mind me pointing it out.

 

Sifting through the rest for actual evidence is going to take more than one read, and folks I just don't have it in me right now. I know that a number of people have bumped what they consider relevant comments but there's no good in relying on the work of others when you can't be sure they're not working an agenda too. And yes I know that's basic theory; I've been off a long time, just knocking off some rust here.

 

Outside of a lynch that gave us nothing, what did his chest thumping gain us? In my opinion, much of nothing. You can't say when Jack switched to the Lannisters and you can't connect the dots to any other Lannisters because this is basically a case built on being a leap of faith.

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