[Basic] Warhammer 40'000 Mafia GAME OVER!

[killuliu]

LOL probably because when you go 'Yay, we got mafia' people tend to jump on you for being scum trying to pretend to be innocent. I thinkit's silly myself, since I've made posts like that when I've been town and mafia, but people find it suspicious, nonetheless.

 

Exactly. once in the Womb's WoT mafia, I think it was one of the reasons someone nearly got lynched?

[Locke]

The whole thing is WIFOM. So sometimes I celebrate, other times I don't. It doesn't really depend on my alignment though.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Ahh. Right. So I shall temper my celebrations in future.

[killuliu]

Ahh. Right. So I shall temper my celebrations in future.

 

:D haha, I think there is nothing really wrong with celebrations, but one just shouldn't try to make assumptions because of them, in the end they tell nothing.

[hotpocket2006]

But sometimes they do tell something. You just have to watch the way you word your celebration lol I won't tell you right now what to watch for as I don't feel like sharing my secrets to scum just yet

[Ithillian Turambar]

Ok, I'll try again.

 

So Hoofie was like, hey you lynched a scum, and I was like, ok - cool.

[hotpocket2006]

lulz good job Ithi! ^^

[Blackhoof]

Vargorum Barinor sneezed for what must have been the fiftieth time as he thumbed through one of his dusty old tomes entitled The Liber Tzeentch. It really was a fascinating work, written by one of the Galaxy's more infamus Sorcerors; Barhor the Black, one of Ahriman's disciples. Vargorum had found it while cataloguing books in the local Ministorum Office, and secreted it back to his home later. He had built up an impressive collection of forbidden books, texts, tomes and scrolls over the years, but this was his most prized possession. By studying it he had learned about the glories of Chaos and all the power that he could possess.

 

He was a psyker- a human born wth unique psychic abilities. He had escaped detection thus far, constantly running from Imperial hunters trying to capture him and turn him into a tool for the Imperium. Vargorum would NOT submit to becoming some mindless battle-psyker, throwing lightning at the Imperium's whim. No, he had a better idea. With the raw power of Chaos at his command, he could do things that no other psyker could even dream of.

 

Unfortunately that blasted Inquisitor had arrived, and begun snooping around, and alerting the townsfolk to his presence. That fool Zardak had already fallen to their 'holy' rage. He should have been paying attention, the scatter-brained ignoramus. That brainless mutant, Lug, would be returning soon at least, and maybe-

 

Suddenly the door to Vargorum's hidden basement opened, and the rogue psyker turned to berate Lug for being late.

 

But Lug wasn't the one standing in the doorway.

 

Vargorum leapt up with a startled cry, and with an smug grin, the figure lowered his plasma pistol and fired, sending a ball of liquid heat at the heretic. Vargorum would not be beaten so easily though, and with a few muttered words a shield of shimmering, purple energy formed in front of him, blocking the superheated stream of plasma.

 

The figure fired a few more times, each bolt splashing across the ether-shield like a bucket of water. "I cannot be defeated so easily, fool." Vaqrgorum sputtered with false confidence, knowing that he was likely doomed. The rogue psyker took down the shield and hurled a ball of roiling pink flames at the assassin. The figure leapt out of the way, and threw the pistol aside, drawing his power sword. With a roar, the figure jumped towards Vargorum, sword raised for a killing strike.

 

The heretic riased a hasty shield but the electrified sword easily smashed through it. The sword or Urmor Garbium cut Vargorum Barinor from crown to waist, and the two halves of the wannabee Sorceror flopped to the side, his dead lips half-formed in an incantation that would never be completed.

 

Locke, Mafia Godfather (Witch-Heretic) has been Nightkilled.

 

Night is over. Day 3 Has begun.

 

With 9 alive, you need 5 to lynch. Deadline is 9PM 8 May EST

[Ithillian Turambar]

I don't understand. They've killed a Mafia? Am I missing something here?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Ok - I googled it. So they killed their own boss because he seemed to be an innocent. I said that Locke appeared to be too good to be true and he was on my scum radar. So that's me two for two so far. I must either be a mafia psychic or all these years of playing poker have really paid off lol

[killuliu]

Wow. But I can't really believe they would kill one of their own willingly, especially since Locke was active. If he would have been inactive, it could have been different. Especially since he wasn't just a mafia goom.

This is really interesting. This makes me think, that maybe all the mafia must vote, and if they don't vote the same person, then it's a random kill? Or we have the serial killer and extremely lucky healer.

[JenLenaMom]

It could be one of two things we have a vig or SK who was also suspicious of locke or the mafia's NK backfired some how. Unless Kill has some inside information about the voting thing?

[killuliu]

It could be one of two things we have a vig or SK who was also suspicious of locke or the mafia's NK backfired some how. Unless Kill has some inside information about the voting thing?

 

What is a vig? And no, I don't have any inside information (if I had, would I share it with you? :D), but that idea crossed my mind when I thought what the heck was that kind of NK :D I have seen in previous games (which as I've said, have been very different from these in DM) that all of the mafias need to vote the same person or the NK won't success, but never before have I seen that failing to vote animously results in a random kill.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I thought they had their own secret board where they would decide together who to vote for. If that is the case, surely they would always reach a consensus. Although I'm a little stumped now as Locke was on my get go list next. I'm going to have another think now. I shall miss his level of activity though, even if he was Mafia Scum. Let's hope our two successes, weird though one was, get some talking going.

 

*sets scum radar to full scan*

[Locke]

Not quite what I had in mind. >.>

[Alanna]

So, because this is technically a basic game, and we haven't seen multiple NKs, I'm guessing vig.

 

Ok - I googled it. So they killed their own boss because he seemed to be an innocent. I said that Locke appeared to be too good to be true and he was on my scum radar. So that's me two for two so far. I must either be a mafia psychic or all these years of playing poker have really paid off lol

That's not quite how it works. The Godfather appears innocent to the finder - so, if the finder viewed him, they would see that he's an innocent. But the mafia knows he's on their team; they should all be on the QT together.

 

What is a vig? And no, I don't have any inside information (if I had, would I share it with you? :D), but that idea crossed my mind when I thought what the heck was that kind of NK :D I have seen in previous games (which as I've said, have been very different from these in DM) that all of the mafias need to vote the same person or the NK won't success, but never before have I seen that failing to vote animously results in a random kill.

 

Vig stands for vigilante. A town-aligned player who has a kill (it's usually one-shot, but they could have more than one kill). I've seen a vig with multiple kills, but I don't think I've ever seen a vig that could kill every night.

 

The problem I have with the voting idea is that this is supposed to be a basic game, and that kind of thing would sort of qualify as an advanced game. I think.

 

I thought they had their own secret board where they would decide together who to vote for. If that is the case, surely they would always reach a consensus. Although I'm a little stumped now as Locke was on my get go list next. I'm going to have another think now. I shall miss his level of activity though, even if he was Mafia Scum. Let's hope our two successes, weird though one was, get some talking going.

 

*sets scum radar to full scan*

 

They do usually have their own secret board, but mafia don't necessarily vote together for the same person - that tends to look extremely suspicious after a while. They prefer to spread their votes out, if they can.

[hotpocket2006]

Hmmmm vig's in a basic game? I have never heard of that before. So it's really weird that Locke died...

[Ithillian Turambar]

He certainly wasn't expecting it lol. So if there was a vigilante and they killed Locke, what happened to the Mafia team's night kill. Also how many Mafia are there normally in a basic game of 12- I'm wondering how many there are left to find.

[killuliu]

I thought they had their own secret board where they would decide together who to vote for. If that is the case, surely they would always reach a consensus.

 

Good point, I didn't really think of that.. So it seems we are agreeing we have someone else but mafia doing the kill and then very lucky healer? Well nonetheless, we should start looking at our next lynch before the time runs out :)

 

As I said yesterday (gametime), there is something in Ithil that doesn't feel quite right, but that's nearly the only feeling I've got atm.

 

Got to do reread ->

[Ithillian Turambar]

Oh come on. I was the first one to suggest that Moon and Locke were scum - and that makes you want to lynch me. Hmmm perhaps you think I am too good at spotting scum.

[killuliu]

Oh come on. I was the first one to suggest that Moon and Locke were scum - and that makes you want to lynch me. Hmmm perhaps you think I am too good at spotting scum.

 

Nope, I'm not saying I want to lynch you, but that something in you is odd. And that's why I do the re-read, so I can determine what it is.

 

And you were the fourth to vote Moon, and suggesting isn't quite the same, as it's not really the words that count but the actions. I admit that I was even slower to vote for moon.

And about Locke: You FOSed him, and then FOSed him even more as he didn't react to your first FOS, but that doesn't mean much, especially since we didn't even lynch him, but someone killed him.

[Ithillian Turambar]

So I've just gone back to the first day and you're right Tiinker did vote for her first, but it was kind of a joke vote with no reason or substance. I maintain I was the first to vote for Moon for real reasons on that first day. Other people then decided to vote for her on the second day (wasn't the first one that day Locke? Weird) and I didn't join in with that straight away because my attention was diverted by Locke - but then I stuck with my original feelings and voted Moon cos I thought I could get to Locke on the next day. Then someone beat me to him.

 

I think I'm going to have a more detailed read through too - but it takes ages for me on this tiny screen - part of me if definitely not certain of Mav - but that is cancelled out by Locke mentioning him as well. Locke also drew suspicion upon Kill and JLM so maybe they are innocents too. Like I said before - I don't really have any feelings about anyone anymore at the moment, thanks to the possible Vig's overnight work.

[killuliu]

I think I'm going to have a more detailed read through too - but it takes ages for me on this tiny screen - part of me if definitely not certain of Mav - but that is cancelled out by Locke mentioning him as well. Locke also drew suspicion upon Kill and JLM so maybe they are innocents too. Like I said before - I don't really have any feelings about anyone anymore at the moment, thanks to the possible Vig's overnight work.

 

We should never cancel anyone out just because a mafia member thought them mafia, they can all too well be faking it. I know I should be quiet and maybe I would be seen as innocent, but nevertheless, one lesson I've learned is that never take anything for granted unless a seer (cop in these games?) tells it. Mafias are usually way too good at bluffing. Ofc we can act like we think they are innocent, but we should not count on that and instead keep our eyes open :)

[Alanna]

Hmmmm vig's in a basic game? I have never heard of that before. So it's really weird that Locke died...

 

Before they revamped this board, there used to be 3 standard setups posted on this board (and you had to use one of them if you were doing a standard game). One of them included a vig and a tracker, instead of a healer and a finder. So yes, there can definitely be a vig in a basic game. (Another setup included an SK, and one included 2 mafia teams). Obviously, the most basic setup in a 12 player game is 3 mafia, healer, finder, and the rest vanilla town, but there are variants you can use, and it's still a basic game.

 

He certainly wasn't expecting it lol. So if there was a vigilante and they killed Locke, what happened to the Mafia team's night kill. Also how many Mafia are there normally in a basic game of 12- I'm wondering how many there are left to find.

 

Either Locke sent in the nk and him getting killed negated the mafia kill, or healer protected the target. That's my guess, anyway.

[Ithillian Turambar]

So there might be only one Mafia player left? That's definitely something to factor in.