[Basic] Warhammer 40'000 Mafia GAME OVER!

[Ithillian Turambar]

Hi guys. I had a bit of bad news today so I'm not really in the mood for playful banter. I will probably not post again till the day phase at least - sorry. I'll let Blackhoof know as well.

[Tiinker]

Dam. That's the second time I've voted during the night. Really got to start paying attention..

 

@ the Viera part, sorry it does seem a bit confusing, I was just trying to give off a general overview of her posts.

 

 

"I can't see anything in Vieras posts except her slight disagreement with Kill so (even if she was NK'd) mafia probably just wanted to lynch someone who wouldn't really give them anything."

 

Just stressing the fact that we have nothing to follow except what we had yesterday.

 

@Kill - Random lynch is definitely worse than a controlled one on Day 1 but we still had time before the deadline when you and moon quickly voted for MCS which is why I'm looking at both of you more than Locke.

 

Rereading though Ithi also pings when she only seems to unvote after Locke posts. If Locke hadn't posted and I doubt she'd have unvoted.

 

MCS might have a power role and if we had just lynched him because he's being inactive he wouldn't have been able to claim if he had one which was the main reason I was against it.

[sVieira151]

Sorry, I shouldn't really post again. This isn't game related, though.

 

 

"I can't see anything in Vieras posts except her slight disagreement with Kill

 

 

I'm a him

 

Why do people think i'm a girl?!?! 2nd mafia game in a row I've been called a her

 

PS I'm not angry at you, Tiink

[Moon Sedai]

I'm a girl and get called him on occasion, Vieira.

[sVieira151]

But it's the internet!

 

I suppose my surprise at this is that I've come from 2 forums with very little females registered, so everybody assumes you're male. I'm just not used to this!

 

 

 

Anyways, I'll leave you lot to continue. Sorry Blackhoof!

[killuliu]

@Tinker's post. One, it's night, and two, the death was a random mod-kill, not a lynch...?

 

Kil: It was 6 hours to deadline. MCS had 3 votes; Moon had 1. MCS had nothing to be suspicious of, no chance to defend himself (and thus could have had a power role), and provided no information. Moon has some suspicious behavior, a chance to defend (likely), and provided information. Yes, deadline was running down, (and I admit, I had myself voting MCS in that post before I changed my mind), but 6 hours is plenty of time for 5 votes to be cast. Also, notice that I said I'd change if I needed to.

 

This, plus your jump on MCS, and your earlier statement that was pro random lynching makes me rather suspicious of you.

 

I see the logic behind your actions, but we still see how the gambit of getting 5 votes in 6 hours worked..

 

It wasn't pro random lynch -comment, but it was against people claiming how useful the first day lynches are, as nearly the only useful first day lynch I've seen has been in the Womb's WoT-mafia, where we lynched a mafia the first day.. Otherwise the "information" etc. we have gained from the lynch has been close to null, and sometimes even a more dangerous than useful, in case we force power role to announce this early in the game.

[hotpocket2006]

First day lynches are useful, but not for catching mafia. It's mostly about gathering information and helping set up the rest of the game. Catching mafia Day 1 is extremely hard. I think I've only seen it two or three times tops in all my mafia games. Lynching mcs would've given us no information at all and we would've basically been at square one on day 2. The attempt itself is very interesting and the discussion has been enlivening though *laughs*

[killuliu]

First day lynches are useful, but not for catching mafia. It's mostly about gathering information and helping set up the rest of the game. Catching mafia Day 1 is extremely hard. I think I've only seen it two or three times tops in all my mafia games. Lynching mcs would've given us no information at all and we would've basically been at square one on day 2. The attempt itself is very interesting and the discussion has been enlivening though *laughs*

 

So would someone please explain me what information it gives? It has a chance of revealing someone with power role, as he makes such claim to prevent himself from getting lynched (can be a lie too). It gives insight of how people play, and who might be in groups with who (ie. if we lynch a mafia or a mason, we can see who supported or were against said lynch).

All of the first day lynches base on a couple of comments from a couple of people. How would above said information set up the rest of the game? And the second day lynches have a lot more comments and reasons for it: the seer (or whatever it was called in mafia, the one who finds other people's roles) has already seen one person and can hint it, we have around twice the comments compared to the first day, and in the mafia games, the comments should be the reason to vote someone (because in them we see how person acts etc.).

This is the second mafia game I play here in DM, and I can say you play these a bit differently than I've used to, so hopefully someone can give me a good answer so I understand and know in the future :)

 

I admit that MCS lynch wouldn't probably been wise, because as you said, what if he has a power role and would have been lynched without him having a chance of defending himself.

[hotpocket2006]

So would someone please explain me what information it gives? It has a chance of revealing someone with power role, as he makes such claim to prevent himself from getting lynched (can be a lie too). It gives insight of how people play, and who might be in groups with who (ie. if we lynch a mafia or a mason, we can see who supported or were against said lynch).

All of the first day lynches base on a couple of comments from a couple of people. How would above said information set up the rest of the game? And the second day lynches have a lot more comments and reasons for it: the seer (or whatever it was called in mafia, the one who finds other people's roles) has already seen one person and can hint it, we have around twice the comments compared to the first day, and in the mafia games, the comments should be the reason to vote someone (because in them we see how person acts etc.).

This is the second mafia game I play here in DM, and I can say you play these a bit differently than I've used to, so hopefully someone can give me a good answer so I understand and know in the future :)

 

I admit that MCS lynch wouldn't probably been wise, because as you said, what if he has a power role and would have been lynched without him having a chance of defending himself.

 

Well in normal games that are active. Here people haven't been as active lately so it's frustrating. You should see on another site I play. Day 1s are the craziest day. Wagons and votes aren't only used to lynch people and such. That's where you get the best information. It's good to see how people do under pressure. How people interact with others because say one is so "jokey". It gives more direction to power roles. See if people have changed up playing style. I could go on. But I won't. Bandwagoning for the sake of lynching because deadline in near is not a smart thing to do if you're town. Hope I explaned that okay. More people can weigh in. Mostly it's the vodka talking now

[killuliu]

Well in normal games that are active. Here people haven't been as active lately so it's frustrating. You should see on another site I play. Day 1s are the craziest day. Wagons and votes aren't only used to lynch people and such. That's where you get the best information. It's good to see how people do under pressure. How people interact with others because say one is so "jokey". It gives more direction to power roles. See if people have changed up playing style. I could go on. But I won't. Bandwagoning for the sake of lynching because deadline in near is not a smart thing to do if you're town. Hope I explaned that okay. More people can weigh in. Mostly it's the vodka talking now

 

:D Well that explains something, but I think (as you said), that for to get the information, we would need to hell loads of more active during day one. But yes, I understand and agree that it's good to see how people react to the stress, because it usually gives fairly good idea if they have role or not. Though I think we really haven't seen that much of it in this game :/

And we saw how Mynd used votes to get information in the WoT game :D It was brilliant.

But I think it's better to bandwagon for the sake of lynching if the other option is to have a random lynch. But that's just me :P

[hotpocket2006]

Well in normal games that are active. Here people haven't been as active lately so it's frustrating. You should see on another site I play. Day 1s are the craziest day. Wagons and votes aren't only used to lynch people and such. That's where you get the best information. It's good to see how people do under pressure. How people interact with others because say one is so "jokey". It gives more direction to power roles. See if people have changed up playing style. I could go on. But I won't. Bandwagoning for the sake of lynching because deadline in near is not a smart thing to do if you're town. Hope I explaned that okay. More people can weigh in. Mostly it's the vodka talking now

 

:D Well that explains something, but I think (as you said), that for to get the information, we would need to hell loads of more active during day one. But yes, I understand and agree that it's good to see how people react to the stress, because it usually gives fairly good idea if they have role or not. Though I think we really haven't seen that much of it in this game :/

And we saw how Mynd used votes to get information in the WoT game :D It was brilliant.

But I think it's better to bandwagon for the sake of lynching if the other option is to have a random lynch. But that's just me :P

 

Normally I do too, but essentially the mcs lynch was the same thing. He asked to me replaced and so people suggested lynching him. That's random as I think he had exactly one post the whole game so who is anyone to base anything he did and justify a vote? It would've basically been the same thing, though we did get some information from that weirdness. >.> Luckily we hit a niller.

[Moon Sedai]

But I think it's better to bandwagon for the sake of lynching if the other option is to have a random lynch. But that's just me :P

 

While I understand what you mean, I remember the "bring on a random lynch" attitude you had in the Wot Game. . .

 

Besides that I've learned that inactivity can be dangerous to either team, scum or town. ANd, sometimes it's better to kill the inactives before they become so.

[Moon Sedai]

To rephrase- I know that in the Wot Game there was a highly inactive mafia. And that had we gone on a 'kill the inactives' earlier on, we townies would've won sooner.

 

If McS is needing a replacement, it might be better to remove him instead of looking for a replacement.

[Locke]

I just look at it like this: If Day One we lynch scum, we lynch scum and perhaps catch teammates. If we lynch Town, we can look at how the lynch formed and thus gain suspicions over certain people. The problem with a random kill, is that you risk someone dying with whom there weren't many interactions with and thus you have no information to draw conclusions from.

 

For example, if Moon had died and been an Innocent Townie, we'd have more info to look at than we do with Vieria dead.

[Blackhoof]

MODSPEAK

 

Alanna will be replacing MCS

 

I am not able to access all my mod-notes right now and all the effects (bolding, italics, etc) wont work since im at school so i will be extending Night until i am able to make the proper end-post.

[killuliu]

While I understand what you mean, I remember the "bring on a random lynch" attitude you had in the Wot Game. . .

 

 

But back then I wrote like half a half an A4 summary why I thought so: I had thought that the odds were on our side, whereas lynching the one we were about to hang I was pretty certain would have been an townie. Besides, I was Mat, what can I say? :D

 

Locke: That makes sense.

[Blackhoof]

Dogbit Karl, feared ganger of the Tarsum slums, stalked through an alleyway and into a dark street. Everyone was asleep now, except for the thieves and low-lives of the city like him. He was looking for something. He was looking for anyone else who was also awake at this time, as they would likely be a heretic scum. Then he would teach them a lesson for muscling in on HIS business- inspiring fear and revulsion in the minds of more law-abiding citizens.

 

Dogbit froze- he had heard something. Suddenly he felt a burning sensation in the small of his back, but before he could react a gloved hand had clasped over his mouth and nose, suffocating him. "Traitor...." A deep, menacing voice whispered in Karl's ear, and for the first time in his life Dogbit felt fear as he realised who it was.

 

After the initial flash of fear, he felt nothing but pain as an electrified Power Sword was rammed into his back, frying him inside out.

 

Tinker, Vanilla Townie was Night Killed

 

Day 2 has begun

 

Deadline is 9PM 5 May

 

You have one week to achieve a lynch majority or a random modkill will occur.

[hotpocket2006]

Holy crap. One week? >.>

[Ithillian Turambar]

Hi. I'm back. Is one week a long or short time? I'm thinking its a long time. Also why are Townies vanilla?

[Locke]

 

Locke: That makes sense.

Sorry, did I hear you right? >.>

(First time for everything)

 

Ithi: I think by most people's standards, a week is a bit long. Most days are usually somewhere between 3-6 days. But hey, let's reap the benefits, eh.

 

Vanilla Townie=Townie with no role.

 

 

[Moon Sedai]

I noticed that before the NK, Tiink was suspicious of Ithi because her unvotes always occur right after Locke posts.

FOS to both Locke and Ithi.

 

And viera strongly thought that JLM was mafia (he also thought I was for bandwaggoning, but I was just trying to help hoof avoid the trouble of finding a replacement. I know that can be hard to do.)

 

just some observations.

[Tiinker]

FML

[Ithillian Turambar]

I think that the Mafia have made a very sensible kill. Nobody really had any suspicions of Tinker. Other people , including myself, are suspected of being scum so the mafia no doubt hope we will get lynched instead thus sparing them the trouble of having to murder them in the night.

 

RIP Tinker

 

What does FOS mean?

 

*needs a light blasted Mafia dictionary*

[killuliu]

Sorry, did I hear you right? >.>

(First time for everything)

 

 

:D You are welcome. But yes I admit I might have been wrong, these games take a bit to get used to, as most of the games I've played elsewhere don't have random lynches, so we can decide if we lynch someone or not, and usually for the first two days we don't lynch.

[killuliu]

What does FOS mean?

 

*needs a light blasted Mafia dictionary*

 

FOS = Finger Of Suspicion

 

Could this actually mean that we have only one mafia team and no serial killer? I had thought that we would have a serial killer, even though this is just a basic mafia and relatively small. But it's good if we don't have serial killer, as it makes it easier for the town.