New Theor--ahem. Speculation. Shaidar Haren Will Be The Death of Shai'tan

[WhiskyJack]

SH is not a Myrddraal

Hmm, what? Is too

Seriously, we know he can 'travel' through shadows. That ability's unique to Myrddraal.

 

Perrin's hammer is as effective as any power wrought weapon. Rand has one such sword (so has Lan and many others).

Not quite. It burns Shadowspawn upon contact. Rand's and Lan's swords don't do that.

 

 

1) SH is NOT a Myrddraal. If your only "proof" is him "traveling" through shadow, it's a weak one. Book also has 50 other points (His height, his powers....) that show him behaving NOT like Myrddraal. At best DO has decided to "appear" like a Myrddraal or built a Myrddraal like body with some of his powers. DO is basically mocking Forsaken and other dark friends by creating his hand that looks like a Myrddraal.

 

2) Rand or Lan's sword has simply being not "described" that way. Whenever they have used power wrought weapon against Shadowspawn (surprisingly very few times), we have virtually been given no description. In Perrin's case, the effect was shown merely to highlight the fact that it was power wrought weapon (True power and One power are at odds with each other). To think that Perrin has some kind of unique weapon, one Aes Sedai failed to build during AoL is kinda silly. I bet all the weapons built by Neald (knifes for Aiel and what not) gave that sizzling effect at contact. It's what writer simply chose to highlight...

[Eichhörnchen]

The DO cannot be destroyed. At best he can just be quarantined off reality however even then his touch is always there. In the same way the Creator can never be destroyed. The DO and Creator are equal beings of the same stature and strength, two sides of the same coin. Much the way the Creator cannot be destroyed neither can the DO.

[yoniy0]

1) SH is NOT a Myrddraal.

Well, he is endowed with some of the DO's personality, it seems, explaining why he has a sense of humor, and some of his other abilities. But you can't seriously be arguing that height is more central to what it means to be a Myrddraal than their ability to move between shadows? I guess you have a right to that position, but please accept my right to differ. Opinion is not fact, after all. To be perfectly clear, I don't argue that he's a normal Fade. He's an improved model, for sure, but made after the Myrddraal mold nonetheless.

 

2) Rand or Lan's sword has simply being not "described" that way. Whenever they have used power wrought weapon against Shadowspawn (surprisingly very few times), we have virtually been given no description.

Again, not quite. Lan fought many trollocs in TEotW through TSR, and nothing has ever been mentioned except the blue sparks whenever his blade met Thakan'dar steel. Rand did as well in TGH, with the same results. Trollocs falling were described in plentiful, but never any sizzling. You may assume that a mere coincidence, but in this case you truly have no evidence (at least, you have yet to present any).

[WhiskyJack]

Cool.

[Sentinel78]

So maybe back in the 80's RJ came up with the ending the last scene of the last book of the WoT by watching the Exorcist pretty much? Satan (DO) inhabits priest (SH), kill priest (SH), kill Satan (DO)? Unfortunately (for several reasons), there were sequels to that movie and Satan did not die. Alas.

[True Source Creator]

I've pondered on this. I do feel there will be some confrontation with Shaidar Haran, but surely even killing "it" couldn't kill Shai'ton. But, I just don't reasonably see any way Rand could actually confront Shai'ton, because if that happens Shai'ton would have to be outside the Bore...unless Rand could somehow be inside the Bore (I guess that could be possible if the Forsaken had been trapped into the Bore).

[mike c]

Mmm, that could work. No point to a sword without a hand to wield it.

 

I came across a passage in ToM that could be indicative.

 

Light is held before the maw of the infinite void, and all that he is can be seized.

 

I am guessing that the infinite void be the Pit of Doom.

 

"All that he is can be seized" is interesting. it could mean two things.

 

1. Refering to the DO, or TP. (this could support your theory, Rand seizes the DO and forces him into a body)

 

2. All that Rand is can be seized. No idea what that would mean. Perhaps he is seized by the DO and they have it off. Or he can realize his full potential when directly facing the DO.

 

Edit: Actually, I just got an idea that coincides with one of my thoughts. The "Light" held before the maw = Callandor. Min thinks Callandor will leave Rand vunerable due to a flaw. Flaw= DO can "seize all that he is." Then Rand sacrifices himself, his "blood on the rocks of SG" the buffer between saidar/saidin and the DO (so no taint)

Min had a viewing of rand holding callandor in a hand of onyx so he will get a prostetic hand to hold it

 

"seize all that he is" rand will channel the true power to seal the bore back to original quality so that in the next age of legends they can breach and patch again

[Nighttrain]

I have read countless threads and heard countless theories but one thing that I've thought a lot about but havnt heard is this. Get ready cause its an eye opener.

We all know fain is inherintly evil. He has part of the dark ones essence implanted in him. Plus the evil from Shadar logoth make him an anchient but new evil. Jordan never said the dark one can't be killed only that the patern demands "A" dark one. If fain somehow kills, poisons, or whatever to the dark one why couldn't he replace him. Become the new ultimate evil, I can't quote it but I believe moraine said that the evil of shadar logoth is old from an age before the age of legends.

What do you think.

[herid]

I have read countless threads and heard countless theories but one thing that I've thought a lot about but havnt heard is this. Get ready cause its an eye opener.

We all know fain is inherintly evil. He has part of the dark ones essence implanted in him. Plus the evil from Shadar logoth make him an anchient but new evil. Jordan never said the dark one can't be killed only that the patern demands "A" dark one. If fain somehow kills, poisons, or whatever to the dark one why couldn't he replace him. Become the new ultimate evil, I can't quote it but I believe moraine said that the evil of shadar logoth is old from an age before the age of legends.

What do you think.

This idea has been discussed a number of times. See this thread for example.. I don't think this scenario very likely but I do think it's a possibility.