Dragon Legion

[Guest]

Are there anyone but me that might think the dragon legion will not be serving the light in the upcoming book?

With them being filled with non-channelable men from the black tower i figure at least a good bunch of them are darkfriends.

Too many darkfriends on top means this unit will not be "performing" well.

 

I have totally forgotten where they are atm, i cant remember them being used after taking Illian (but im sure they were, possibly in knife of dreams which im almost at in my re-read)

but where could they be atm? are they moving alot off-screen? we do not see them at the field of merrilor yet, could they be with King Darlin in Tear?

 

Im getting abit suspicious...

[Sleeper]

I don't think that most of the people who answered the Black Towers call were Darkfriends, they were just people who wanted to help the DR and channel. I think Taim started turning them along with some of his high-level buddies once they had become part of the Tower, so I don't think the Legion of the Dragon is infested with Darkfriends any more than any other group is.

 

I'm honestly not sure where they are either, but I'd love to see more of them. Those guys are seriously badass.

[Guest]

I'm honestly not sure where they are either, but I'd love to see more of them. Those guys are seriously badass.

 

my thoughts exactly.

 

the thing with me thinking they might be darkfriends though, is another thing i read somewhere else, again possibly theoryland;

 

there could have been issued an order for all darkfriends to find the black tower to be tested for channeling ability, and those who were not eligible could infiltrate the legion.

 

in my head at least, it makes sense

[MasterAblar]

I'm honestly not sure where they are either, but I'd love to see more of them. Those guys are seriously badass.

 

my thoughts exactly.

 

the thing with me thinking they might be darkfriends though, is another thing i read somewhere else, again possibly theoryland;

 

there could have been issued an order for all darkfriends to find the black tower to be tested for channeling ability, and those who were not eligible could infiltrate the legion.

 

in my head at least, it makes sense

 

Yeah, well there's a bunch of stuff the bad guys could have done but haven't.

 

Anyway, I agree I'd like to see the Legion of the Dragon again, not only because they were absolutely awsome, which is to be expected since Mat is the one who decided how they would fight, but also because it has to be quite a large army by now.

[Muad Cheade]

The main camp of the Legion is near Caemlyn. It is possible that they may assist in the defense of the City. I've always wondered when/if Mat would give the rapid-fire crossbows to the Legion of the Dragon as they utilize that weapon.

 

It is likely that the parts of the Legion that participated in the campaign against the Seanchan are still with the army on the Illian border.

 

As for it being overwhelmed with Darkfriends, it's unlikely. The 13x13-ing by the Shadow seems to be recent or the Black Tower would be predominately turned.

[David Selig]

The 13x13 trick doesn't work on non-channellers anyway.

 

Anyway, the Legion was last near Caemlyn, and there is a mention in KoD that after the Aiel who were camped there, announced they were leaving for Arad Doman, Elayne sent someone to check whether the Legion went with them. But there's no further info. I am guessing they probably left, but who knows...

[Sleeper]

They're probably up in the Blight punching Worms in the face and arm wrestling the Dark One.

[OptimusPrime]

The 13x13 trick doesn't work on non-channellers anyway.

 

Ah, but theres nothing to say Taim didnt 13x13 someone and then send to Bashere as one of the "rejects." Id say its entirely possible that Taim/Moridin has some seeds in the Legion.

[Sharaman]

Surely they showed up at Maradon?

[Aquarius]

Surely they showed up at Maradon?

That's what I thought also, but given the answers above, I guess I was wrong and only Saldean cavalry went there.

[Sharaman]

Surely they showed up at Maradon?

That's what I thought also, but given the answers above, I guess I was wrong and only Saldean cavalry went there.

Very unlikely -- for several reasons.

The clincher is Bashere's tactical musing when he decides that Maradon must be abandoned.

He decides the cavalry will pretend to get set to charge the trollocs, thereby inducing the Shadow army to dig into defences and meanwhile the foot will pull back thru Gates and then the cavalry will turn around and gallop in the opposite direction.

So he had foot soldiers - that's the Dragon legion.

 

(Apart from that, he only had 12K cavalry from TFoH onwards - Ituralde and the Saldaean defenders had far, far more and still got overwhelmed by numbers. Bashere swept the city clean in a few hours.

Second, you don't get into an urban dogfight with pure cavalry.

Third, one of his junior commanders was contemplating assaulting the positions on the hill - again impossible to do with only cavalry.)

[Guest]

Surely they showed up at Maradon?

That's what I thought also, but given the answers above, I guess I was wrong and only Saldean cavalry went there.

Very unlikely -- for several reasons.

The clincher is Bashere's tactical musing when he decides that Maradon must be abandoned.

He decides the cavalry will pretend to get set to charge the trollocs, thereby inducing the Shadow army to dig into defences and meanwhile the foot will pull back thru Gates and then the cavalry will turn around and gallop in the opposite direction.

So he had foot soldiers - that's the Dragon legion.

 

(Apart from that, he only had 12K cavalry from TFoH onwards - Ituralde and the Saldaean defenders had far, far more and still got overwhelmed by numbers. Bashere swept the city clean in a few hours.

Second, you don't get into an urban dogfight with pure cavalry.

Third, one of his junior commanders was contemplating assaulting the positions on the hill - again impossible to do with only cavalry.)

 

isnt it alot to assume that Bashere uses the Dragon Legion when every specific/special army is mentioned upon use throughout the entire series? i do believe Bashere had more than just cavalry under his disposal from his saldaean forces.

 

i just dont buy it sorry :P i do believe they are up to something special, either being against rand or doing something awesome (that gets mentioned, and not implied)

[Sharaman]

Surely they showed up at Maradon?

That's what I thought also, but given the answers above, I guess I was wrong and only Saldean cavalry went there.

Very unlikely -- for several reasons.

The clincher is Bashere's tactical musing when he decides that Maradon must be abandoned.

He decides the cavalry will pretend to get set to charge the trollocs, thereby inducing the Shadow army to dig into defences and meanwhile the foot will pull back thru Gates and then the cavalry will turn around and gallop in the opposite direction.

So he had foot soldiers - that's the Dragon legion.

 

(Apart from that, he only had 12K cavalry from TFoH onwards - Ituralde and the Saldaean defenders had far, far more and still got overwhelmed by numbers. Bashere swept the city clean in a few hours.

Second, you don't get into an urban dogfight with pure cavalry.

Third, one of his junior commanders was contemplating assaulting the positions on the hill - again impossible to do with only cavalry.)

 

isnt it alot to assume that Bashere uses the Dragon Legion when every specific/special army is mentioned upon use throughout the entire series? i do believe Bashere had more than just cavalry under his disposal from his saldaean forces.

 

i just dont buy it sorry :P i do believe they are up to something special, either being against rand or doing something awesome (that gets mentioned, and not implied)

 

I do believe that a reread of the relevant sections of TFoH, LoC, ACoS, TPoD will disabuse you of the notion that Bashere had any more than 9K (not even 12K) of Saldaean cavalry. The rest of his troops consisted of the Dragon Legion.

Edit: He offered the services of his 9K troops to Rand.

[Guest]

Surely they showed up at Maradon?

That's what I thought also, but given the answers above, I guess I was wrong and only Saldean cavalry went there.

Very unlikely -- for several reasons.

The clincher is Bashere's tactical musing when he decides that Maradon must be abandoned.

He decides the cavalry will pretend to get set to charge the trollocs, thereby inducing the Shadow army to dig into defences and meanwhile the foot will pull back thru Gates and then the cavalry will turn around and gallop in the opposite direction.

So he had foot soldiers - that's the Dragon legion.

 

(Apart from that, he only had 12K cavalry from TFoH onwards - Ituralde and the Saldaean defenders had far, far more and still got overwhelmed by numbers. Bashere swept the city clean in a few hours.

Second, you don't get into an urban dogfight with pure cavalry.

Third, one of his junior commanders was contemplating assaulting the positions on the hill - again impossible to do with only cavalry.)

 

isnt it alot to assume that Bashere uses the Dragon Legion when every specific/special army is mentioned upon use throughout the entire series? i do believe Bashere had more than just cavalry under his disposal from his saldaean forces.

 

i just dont buy it sorry :P i do believe they are up to something special, either being against rand or doing something awesome (that gets mentioned, and not implied)

 

I do believe that a reread of the relevant sections of TFoH, LoC, ACoS, TPoD will disabuse you of the notion that Bashere had any more than 9K (not even 12K) of Saldaean cavalry. The rest of his troops consisted of the Dragon Legion.

Edit: He offered the services of his 9K troops to Rand.

 

ok, ill admit i might have been wrong about that. but my point remains that whenever the dragon legion has been used earlier it has been specifically mentioned. especially if they were part of liberating maradon they would probably have been described how their crossbows ate at every trolloc within the city, leaving no one alive etc.

[Sharaman]

Surely they showed up at Maradon?

That's what I thought also, but given the answers above, I guess I was wrong and only Saldean cavalry went there.

Very unlikely -- for several reasons.

The clincher is Bashere's tactical musing when he decides that Maradon must be abandoned.

He decides the cavalry will pretend to get set to charge the trollocs, thereby inducing the Shadow army to dig into defences and meanwhile the foot will pull back thru Gates and then the cavalry will turn around and gallop in the opposite direction.

So he had foot soldiers - that's the Dragon legion.

 

(Apart from that, he only had 12K cavalry from TFoH onwards - Ituralde and the Saldaean defenders had far, far more and still got overwhelmed by numbers. Bashere swept the city clean in a few hours.

Second, you don't get into an urban dogfight with pure cavalry.

Third, one of his junior commanders was contemplating assaulting the positions on the hill - again impossible to do with only cavalry.)

 

isnt it alot to assume that Bashere uses the Dragon Legion when every specific/special army is mentioned upon use throughout the entire series? i do believe Bashere had more than just cavalry under his disposal from his saldaean forces.

 

i just dont buy it sorry :P i do believe they are up to something special, either being against rand or doing something awesome (that gets mentioned, and not implied)

 

I do believe that a reread of the relevant sections of TFoH, LoC, ACoS, TPoD will disabuse you of the notion that Bashere had any more than 9K (not even 12K) of Saldaean cavalry. The rest of his troops consisted of the Dragon Legion.

Edit: He offered the services of his 9K troops to Rand.

 

ok, ill admit i might have been wrong about that. but my point remains that whenever the dragon legion has been used earlier it has been specifically mentioned. especially if they were part of liberating maradon they would probably have been described how their crossbows ate at every trolloc within the city, leaving no one alive etc.

So who are the soldiers Bashere takes to Maradon?

[MasterAblar]

Surely they showed up at Maradon?

That's what I thought also, but given the answers above, I guess I was wrong and only Saldean cavalry went there.

Very unlikely -- for several reasons.

The clincher is Bashere's tactical musing when he decides that Maradon must be abandoned.

He decides the cavalry will pretend to get set to charge the trollocs, thereby inducing the Shadow army to dig into defences and meanwhile the foot will pull back thru Gates and then the cavalry will turn around and gallop in the opposite direction.

So he had foot soldiers - that's the Dragon legion.

 

(Apart from that, he only had 12K cavalry from TFoH onwards - Ituralde and the Saldaean defenders had far, far more and still got overwhelmed by numbers. Bashere swept the city clean in a few hours.

Second, you don't get into an urban dogfight with pure cavalry.

Third, one of his junior commanders was contemplating assaulting the positions on the hill - again impossible to do with only cavalry.)

 

isnt it alot to assume that Bashere uses the Dragon Legion when every specific/special army is mentioned upon use throughout the entire series? i do believe Bashere had more than just cavalry under his disposal from his saldaean forces.

 

i just dont buy it sorry :P i do believe they are up to something special, either being against rand or doing something awesome (that gets mentioned, and not implied)

 

I do believe that a reread of the relevant sections of TFoH, LoC, ACoS, TPoD will disabuse you of the notion that Bashere had any more than 9K (not even 12K) of Saldaean cavalry. The rest of his troops consisted of the Dragon Legion.

Edit: He offered the services of his 9K troops to Rand.

 

ok, ill admit i might have been wrong about that. but my point remains that whenever the dragon legion has been used earlier it has been specifically mentioned. especially if they were part of liberating maradon they would probably have been described how their crossbows ate at every trolloc within the city, leaving no one alive etc.

So who are the soldiers Bashere takes to Maradon?

 

Perhaps Aiel.

[Sharaman]

Surely they showed up at Maradon?

That's what I thought also, but given the answers above, I guess I was wrong and only Saldean cavalry went there.

Very unlikely -- for several reasons.

The clincher is Bashere's tactical musing when he decides that Maradon must be abandoned.

He decides the cavalry will pretend to get set to charge the trollocs, thereby inducing the Shadow army to dig into defences and meanwhile the foot will pull back thru Gates and then the cavalry will turn around and gallop in the opposite direction.

So he had foot soldiers - that's the Dragon legion.

 

(Apart from that, he only had 12K cavalry from TFoH onwards - Ituralde and the Saldaean defenders had far, far more and still got overwhelmed by numbers. Bashere swept the city clean in a few hours.

Second, you don't get into an urban dogfight with pure cavalry.

Third, one of his junior commanders was contemplating assaulting the positions on the hill - again impossible to do with only cavalry.)

 

isnt it alot to assume that Bashere uses the Dragon Legion when every specific/special army is mentioned upon use throughout the entire series? i do believe Bashere had more than just cavalry under his disposal from his saldaean forces.

 

i just dont buy it sorry :P i do believe they are up to something special, either being against rand or doing something awesome (that gets mentioned, and not implied)

 

I do believe that a reread of the relevant sections of TFoH, LoC, ACoS, TPoD will disabuse you of the notion that Bashere had any more than 9K (not even 12K) of Saldaean cavalry. The rest of his troops consisted of the Dragon Legion.

Edit: He offered the services of his 9K troops to Rand.

 

ok, ill admit i might have been wrong about that. but my point remains that whenever the dragon legion has been used earlier it has been specifically mentioned. especially if they were part of liberating maradon they would probably have been described how their crossbows ate at every trolloc within the city, leaving no one alive etc.

So who are the soldiers Bashere takes to Maradon?

 

Perhaps Aiel.

Wearing normal uniforms and armour, as mentioned in the text?

[General Tam]

I always understood that Bashere was in charge of the Dragon Legion, leading me to assume that they were there just by the mention of Bashere being there.

[Aquarius]

I always understood that Bashere was in charge of the Dragon Legion, leading me to assume that they were there just by the mention of Bashere being there.

Yes, that's the logical conclusion from the discussion above, I guess. Maybe Bashere just mixed his original saldean army with the Legion and now consider that as his one and only army.

[Phariah]

I always understood that Bashere was in charge of the Dragon Legion, leading me to assume that they were there just by the mention of Bashere being there.

Yes, that's the logical conclusion from the discussion above, I guess. Maybe Bashere just mixed his original saldean army with the Legion and now consider that as his one and only army.

i agree. Bashere was put in charge of them. than Mat and Bashere trained them. nothing since than disbanding them from Bashere's command.

[Muad Cheade]

Bashere is the overall commander. Jak Masond is the captain.

 

The Saldean force Bashere brought was purely cavalry. There are about 8,000 left due to casualties.

 

It is true that the Legion has been mentioned by name whenever it is in action.

 

We really don't know who the infantrymen he brings are though. They could be Tairens for all we know.

[Dovie'andisetovyasagai]

Im pretty sure they were the troops first meet by Ituralde in Maradon. Due to the tactics used. Similar to those used in illian. as mat helped form/train them and the bulk seem to be in Andor it only seems reasonable the crank will be given to them. Any one else reckon Taim is Demandred?

[Muad Cheade]

Any one else reckon Taim is Demandred?

Yeah...about that...

[Elend]

The Legion's general tactics seem to fit well with the urban warfare of Maradon, so I'm inclined to say 'twas them with Bashere.

 

Taim is not Demandred. Demandred is Olver.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, not really. Demandred is probably Roedran.

[Sleeper]

Demandred is clearly Bela.

 

C'mon guys.