Does Lan know Logain personally?

[Orderofolde]

In TEoTW, when Lan mentions to Moiraine something about the false dragon and first put a name to him, Lan named Logain and Rand seemed to think that in the way Lan mentioned him, that the warder knew Logain personally, and thought on the issue for a bit. I know with TEoTW there are differences from later books such as the way we see healing done and other small things, but I can't recall any further mention of this in the books. Could this possibly be something to do with Logain's absence and Lan fighting at Tarwin's Gap upcoming in the next book or something else perhaps? It struck me as funny hearing it as I listened to the book and had to even rewind it. RJ doesn't idly mention something and have a character give it some thought unless it is foreshadowing some future event or building credit to some later thing to tie it together nicely leaving us with the many, "Ahs" as we've had. With book 1 you can see hints of future events carefully and cleverly laid out, it was clear that RJ knew the ending and many specific events perhaps before he knew the beginning of his tale. Any thoughts on Lan and possibly even Moiraine knowing Logain prior to their arrival in the Two Rivers?

[Terez]

I think it has more to do with Rand thinking that, because Lan referred to him by name, that he must know him. It's sort of a backwoods way of looking at things, seeing as how Logain is notorious. Simply calling him 'the false Dragon' is I suppose what Rand was expecting.

[Orderofolde]

I think it has more to do with Rand thinking that, because Lan referred to him by name, that he must know him. It's sort of a backwoods way of looking at things, seeing as how Logain is notorious. Simply calling him 'the false Dragon' is I suppose what Rand was expecting.

It isn't just that Lan named him, Rand pondered not only the name, but the tone and a seeming familiarity in which Lan named Logain, not just putting a name to the false dragon causing the trouble, but Rand picked up something in the Warder's tone when he said the name.

[MasterAblar]

In TEoTW, when Lan mentions to Moiraine something about the false dragon and first put a name to him, Lan named Logain and Rand seemed to think that in the way Lan mentioned him, that the warder knew Logain personally, and thought on the issue for a bit. I know with TEoTW there are differences from later books such as the way we see healing done and other small things, but I can't recall any further mention of this in the books. Could this possibly be something to do with Logain's absence and Lan fighting at Tarwin's Gap upcoming in the next book or something else perhaps? It struck me as funny hearing it as I listened to the book and had to even rewind it. RJ doesn't idly mention something and have a character give it some thought unless it is foreshadowing some future event or building credit to some later thing to tie it together nicely leaving us with the many, "Ahs" as we've had. With book 1 you can see hints of future events carefully and cleverly laid out, it was clear that RJ knew the ending and many specific events perhaps before he knew the beginning of his tale. Any thoughts on Lan and possibly even Moiraine knowing Logain prior to their arrival in the Two Rivers?

 

It would be sort of neat. But I doubt it. Logain was a very minor lord in Ghealdan before he declared himself. Not really any reason for Lan and Moirane to know him. It's possible, but I doubt it.

[Finnssss22]

It's a possibility.

 

Logain was a Noble in Ghealdan before proclaiming himself the Dragon.

I'm sure that Moiriane and Lan had been through Ghealdan extensively in their search for children born at the end of the Aiel War.

 

I wouldn't put any bets on it but possible none the less.

[htarcan]

maybe lan and moiraine came across with him when they were searching for the dragon reborn?

[Terez]

I think it has more to do with Rand thinking that, because Lan referred to him by name, that he must know him. It's sort of a backwoods way of looking at things, seeing as how Logain is notorious. Simply calling him 'the false Dragon' is I suppose what Rand was expecting.

It isn't just that Lan named him, Rand pondered not only the name, but the tone and a seeming familiarity in which Lan named Logain, not just putting a name to the false dragon causing the trouble, but Rand picked up something in the Warder's tone when he said the name.

I think the familiarity had to do with the fact that men who can channel are the business of the White Tower more than anything else. I'm not saying it's not possible that Lan and Logain know each other, but I don't think that Rand's impressions are necessarily relevant, especially seeing as how RJ went to great pains to demonstrate that the Two Rivers folk are not all that sophisticated when it comes to reading people outside their home (where things were generally more simple and straightforward). I recently finished chapter 21 in my re-read and was a little bit amazed at how oblivious Nynaeve was to Moiraine's skill at both reading her and using that reading to her advantage.

[OptimusPrime]

In TEoTW, when Lan mentions to Moiraine something about the false dragon and first put a name to him, Lan named Logain and Rand seemed to think that in the way Lan mentioned him, that the warder knew Logain personally, and thought on the issue for a bit. I know with TEoTW there are differences from later books such as the way we see healing done and other small things, but I can't recall any further mention of this in the books. Could this possibly be something to do with Logain's absence and Lan fighting at Tarwin's Gap upcoming in the next book or something else perhaps? It struck me as funny hearing it as I listened to the book and had to even rewind it. RJ doesn't idly mention something and have a character give it some thought unless it is foreshadowing some future event or building credit to some later thing to tie it together nicely leaving us with the many, "Ahs" as we've had. With book 1 you can see hints of future events carefully and cleverly laid out, it was clear that RJ knew the ending and many specific events perhaps before he knew the beginning of his tale. Any thoughts on Lan and possibly even Moiraine knowing Logain prior to their arrival in the Two Rivers?

 

Could it be that Moiraine and Lan had checked Logain out prior to their journey to the Two Rivers?

 

EDIT Sorry, its already been said, I didnt read all the comments. Silly me

[Mandro]

I'm on the side saying that it's just Rand being surprised at how casually people can refer to someone who should instill terror by their given name.

 

Rand wasn't reacting to a real familiarity to Logain, but rather to how blithely lan could talk about a man that all people should fear. Like whatstheirface said up page, it was more likely Rand starting to shed his hickish farmboy ways.

[spoke]

Furthermore Lan and Logain were both in Tear when Lord Algarin's manor was attacked by the swarms of trollocs (100,000 or so). There was no indication anywhere as to them knowing each other previously.

[Terez]

That doesn't mean anything, really. It wouldn't be the first time in the series that people pretended not to know each other (Thom does it a lot, for example).

[Mandro]

That doesn't mean anything, really. It wouldn't be the first time in the series that people pretended not to know each other (Thom does it a lot, for example).

but RJ always gave tome indicators. The "smoothing mustaches" thing is so ubiquitous it might as well be a punch line. I highly doubt that Lan would give a damn about a middling southlander lord. I mean,Lan can recruit the son of a king to battle the blight just by raising the crane, what can logain do? (not to bash logain, I think he has been ill served in the series) but Lan is Lan.

 

BTW, I was in the service briefly, and "The golden crane" is one of my favorite chapters, gives me a misty moment.

[yoniy0]

It's fair to assume that Logain joined his King in the Aiel wars, right? I guess it's possible they've met then. I'm not sure it makes any difference anymore, seeing as how both know each other now, and supposedly they'll both do their best to follow Rand's guidance, once he starts actually doing something about TG (no, I'm not dissing what he did in ToM. But Lan doesn't know about that, and we have to assume Logain doesn't, either).

 

BTW, I was in the service briefly, and "The golden crane" is one of my favorite chapters, gives me a misty moment.

I agree completely, but what in particular about your service did it remind you of?

[MasterAblar]

It's fair to assume that Logain joined his King in the Aiel wars, right? I guess it's possible they've met then. I'm not sure it makes any difference anymore, seeing as how both know each other now, and supposedly they'll both do their best to follow Rand's guidance, once he starts actually doing something about TG (no, I'm not dissing what he did in ToM. But Lan doesn't know about that, and we have to assume Logain doesn't, either).

 

BTW, I was in the service briefly, and "The golden crane" is one of my favorite chapters, gives me a misty moment.

I agree completely, but what in particular about your service did it remind you of?

 

I think he would have been too young.

Yeah, he was born in 972 so 4 years before the beginning of the Aiel War. Definitely too young.

[Mandro]

It's fair to assume that Logain joined his King in the Aiel wars, right? I guess it's possible they've met then. I'm not sure it makes any difference anymore, seeing as how both know each other now, and supposedly they'll both do their best to follow Rand's guidance, once he starts actually doing something about TG (no, I'm not dissing what he did in ToM. But Lan doesn't know about that, and we have to assume Logain doesn't, either).

 

BTW, I was in the service briefly, and "The golden crane" is one of my favorite chapters, gives me a misty moment.

I agree completely, but what in particular about your service did it remind you of?

 

I walked away, and was never called back. A few of us who served talked about it in the "favorite chapters" thread.

 

I served, and I walked away, my fellows asked me to re-in and I WAS one of the best of us at the time, and as I walked away I was asked why, I told them, "Because I wasn't asked to stay." In The Golden Crane, a bunch of those who knew that they SHOULD serve were finally asked, "tears and laughter" When I left I only had tears, and all it took for laughter was to just be asked.

 

I served in peacetime, so the emotions are a little more complicated in a way. Want me to expound even more?

[yoniy0]

I think he would have been too young.

Yeah, he was born in 1972 so 4 years before the beginning of the Aiel War. Definitely too young.

I stand corrected. I don't know where I got the impression that he was around 40.

 

EDIT:

I walked away, and was never called back. A few of us who served talked about it in the "favorite chapters" thread.

[...]

I served in peacetime, so the emotions are a little more complicated in a way. Want me to expound even more?

Oh, no, unless you want to. I guess I always associated military service with something that you have to do, not necessarily something you want to. I know a few friends who enjoyed their time in the service, but for me it wasn't like that most of the time. Not saying I don't take pride in having done that, I just don't think back fondly about those times.

[Mandro]

I think he would have been too young.

Yeah, he was born in 1972 so 4 years before the beginning of the Aiel War. Definitely too young.

I stand corrected. I don't know where I got the impression that he was around 40.

 

EDIT:

I walked away, and was never called back. A few of us who served talked about it in the "favorite chapters" thread.

[...]

I served in peacetime, so the emotions are a little more complicated in a way. Want me to expound even more?

Oh, no, unless you want to. I guess I always associated military service with something that you have to do, not necessarily something you want to. I know a few friends who enjoyed their time in the service, but for me it wasn't like that most of the time. Not saying I don't take pride in having done that, I just don't think back fondly about those times.

 

My best friend, a guy that I knew since I was about 4 years old used to joke about me. "This is the only guy I know who went to college, TO Join the Marine Corps."

 

Yes, My service was something I wanted to do, it was the only thing I loved that I can think of. Service for some is a different thing, for me it was nobility, it was a chance for my life and the end of it to have meaning.

[htarcan]

I think he would have been too young.

Yeah, he was born in 1972 so 4 years before the beginning of the Aiel War. Definitely too young.

I stand corrected. I don't know where I got the impression that he was around 40.

 

EDIT:

I walked away, and was never called back. A few of us who served talked about it in the "favorite chapters" thread.

[...]

I served in peacetime, so the emotions are a little more complicated in a way. Want me to expound even more?

Oh, no, unless you want to. I guess I always associated military service with something that you have to do, not necessarily something you want to. I know a few friends who enjoyed their time in the service, but for me it wasn't like that most of the time. Not saying I don't take pride in having done that, I just don't think back fondly about those times.

 

I read the Path of Daggers during my service. There is no more awesome place to read wheel of time than military. In spite the fact that my commander would kill me if he knew I imagined the dragon banner when I was looking at my country's flag :P