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  1. He was always going to be a wolfbrother, Taveren-ness had nothing to do with it. When they used the portal-stone we were only able to see Rand's potential lives, but Perrin saw them too (off-screen), but he made a comment about not being able to escape it and had tried to scratch out his eyes.
  2. Why would he give up info on robbing the bank. To get the bank owner to rush to the bank on the rumor, so you can go in, and rob it once the vault door is open. The 'bank' or Eye of the World was only accessible by need, and once our heros were there, it was fixed in place and the bad guys could get in and rob it. To bad Rand started to Channel and kill all the robbers. It was a good plan if not for that.
  3. Few extra items, there is a good deal of evidence for Mat being Aemon and per RJ the Dragon is one of the Heroes. Very true, and the evidence gets even more compelling with the Tuon-Elderene comparisons being added in.
  4. There is a situation where Perrin, had trees flowering around him. -- This was when he was in the Two rivers, shortly after finding out his entire family was dead and killed by 'trollocs', Perrin goes to visit their graves. Read this section carefully, they were burried near fruit trees which flower in the spring. The trees were flowering all around him. This was a significant event for Perrin and led him to take action in the Two Rivers. This is the viewing that Min had of Perrin.
  5. what about: Wet dog removes water, Lantern rises high, Roll the Tabac,
  6. It is written as if the author was a scholar living in the world. It reviews events that have occurred up to the 7th book. So if you want to read it, it will contain spoilers for everything before the 7th book. Also as a word of warning, a lot of the information is good, but there are several things incorrect in it. Specifically incorrect in that they are the opinions/understandings of the point of view of someone who supposedly lived in that world.
  7. You have quite a number of misconceptions about the ancient hebrews and the modern day jews.History does not quite agree when the Traveling Hebrews conquered ancient Canaan, which is modern-day Israel. The old testament puts it at roughly 4500 years ago. 1. Roughly 4800 years ago the family of Jacob moved to ancient egypt, found itself enslaved and grew into a nation of several hundred thousand to several million people. The nation of israel was freed from Egypt (the Bible recounts it as miraculous intervention by God) wandered the sinai desert for 40 years, and then proceeded to conquer canaan. Israel was nomadic for perhaps 50 years, if you include the 10-20 years it took for the land to be fully controlled by Israel. At that point in time, there was little about Israel that was nomadic. 2. The Hebrews were peaceful, not pacifistic. There were several points prior to the first commonwealth where they were active conquers, in order to expand their land. 65 years after the destruction of the second temple and the end of the second commonwealth, Bar Kokhba attempted to build a new, third commonwealth, in a devastating war of independence against ancient rome. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt 3. The exile of the Ten Tribes occurred nearly 800 years prior to bar Kokhba. It's said that they are lost to history; there are other beliefs that they were reintegrated with israel prior to the destruction of the second commonwealth. Following the exile, the jews were scattered in many cities and countries around the world, but there was always a cohesiveness despite vast distances. The Ninth of Av is considered to be a "holiday" of mourning; not a "cursed day". It's a reminder of the religious belief that exile and misfortune are caused by ones own sins, and that sincere mourning and repentance will eventually lead to the jews returning to the ancient homeland of the hebrews. It's also a day of commemoration of the greatest tragedies that befell the nation of israel, including the destruction of the temples. 4. The only connection to Songs in judaism are the 10 Songs found throughout the books of the bible, prophets, and writings; which are all commemorations of tremendous spirtual revelations; or the book of psalms, which are songs composed by king david. 5. No connection at all. its not a bad theory, but its not consistent with historical records of the Ancient Hebrews (or modern day ones) nor is it consistent with RJ's views of the tinkers. I'm not talking about the Hebrews who lived after Abraham's time. I'm talking about the ancient Hebrews before Abraham, before God made Himself known to them. When God came to Abraham, the Hebrews were a nomadic people, and were basically how I described them. Not many people know much about the ancient Hebrew culture. But for one to understand the sayings of the Bible, the 200 different components of how they wrote, and what an impossible task it is to translate from their language to English is vital to understanding their beliefs and what they were trying to convey in their writings. They way they thought is vastly different from us, and this is reflected in their language and customs. I'm currently studying these aspects so I can get a better understanding of Bible texts. You sound like you may enjoy that type of stuff. If so, there's a great website called Tentmaker.org that discusses these topics. I don't necessarily agree with all of the beliefs presented there, but there's good info there. And www.ancient-hebrew.org/love_27.html is another really awesome website focusing on the words and sayings of ancient Hebrew. Changes the way the Bible reads. Thanks for your input. Abraham was the first hebrew. He was born approximately 500 years before the exodus. in biblical hebrew, he was known as an Ivri, which comes from Aver עבר. His descendents were called Hebrews on the basis of that being the language they spoke. The conquering of canaan was done by his descendents, some 550 years later. The family of Abraham, his father Terakh, and his father Haran were not considered to be hebrews. The biblical story of God speaking to Abraham started with him being commanded to 'wander' to a distant land (Canaan) and leave his fathers family behind. If you want to see what the scriptures say firsthand, look in Genesis. I glanced through those sites you mentioned. neither are particularly scholarly, in the scientific method sense, but the ancient-hebrew site is interesting. If it interests you, Robert Jordan based the Old Tongue on the concept of the ancient hebrew language (of which modern israeli hebrew is a derivative, btw). In his theory, which can be analyzed using intertextual means, it's not so much that there is no accurate translation of the OT, but the language was very fluid, the same word can mean two or three different things (or more) depending on the context its used, even the pronunciation can significantly affect the meaning. Actually, descendents of Abraham are not the only Hebrews. all descendants of Eber (sometimes spelled Heber, but most commonly Eber) (Genesis 10:25) are referred to as Hebrews, of which Abraham was one.
  8. He cannot hear, "No" as in not yet, but very very soon he will.
  9. Interesting conclusions, but did you consider that due to the nature of the weakening of the seals that it might not be a linear relation as your math suggests.
  10. You have to remember that during the age of legends Channelers were about 3% of the population. Three out of every two hundred people doomed to go insane. Plus only the 70 or so channelers who were at the strike went instantly insane, the rest of the population it was gradual. You had attempts at cleansing the source, followed by attempts to restore sanity and male channellers hiding in the steadings. All of these prolonged the issues, but when people go insane you don't just start killing them, especially if hope to cleanse the taint exists.
  11. I wouldn't consider her out yet. Graendal was basically captured with the gateway explosion, however she may be able to undo her own compulsion without it adversely affecting Sarene (by-the-way there was a viewing by Min about her having a temptuous love affair - presumably with her warder - which hasn't been mentioned yet).
  12. 1) Min has viewing in Baerlon (book 1) 2) Min taunts Elayne in book 2-3 3) Elayne meets Aviendha in book 3 and asks her to watch Rand 4) Elayne and Min meet and discuss things in Salidar 4a) they both now know of the vision and wonder who the third is. 4b) Elayne explains to Min that her friend Aviendha is watching Rand's back for Elayne 5) Min leaves for Camelyn while Aviendha leaves to Salidar 6) Elayne learns that Aviendha is the third person at the same time that Min learns Rand's feelings for Aviendha 6a) Rand mentions when he sees Min for the first time in Camelyn that he loves both Elayne and Aviendha. I hope this clears things up a bit
  13. The quote your looking for is when he is about to destroy the Borderland army from outside the city where they are camped inside the protection of the Ter'Angreal that stops sensing of the source.
  14. We don't know that Emarin is dead. As far as we know, he may still be alive. There is a lot of speculation that Emarin and his brother are the same person.
  15. There is a lot of speculation about what Moraine asked for while being held by the Finns, and I am trying to avoid that as a subject, but want to focus on something related to it, so please don't turn this into another what did Moraine ask for thread. According to Lan - the bond snapped shortly after Moraine entered into the Finn's realm and the Ter'Angreal doorway was destroyed. According to Moraine - the Finn's took pleasure in feeding off of Moraines power. Unverified but strongly supported speculation - the Finn's Feast off of emotion from others - examples of this is when they took Mat's eye, when Moraine mentioned that they made a double feast while feeding off of her powers, plus Birgette's and other's comments on the subject. There are other methods to break a warder bond including severing the Aes Sedai (warders will sometimes die from the shock). And when a Warder dies or that Bond is broken - it causes lots of emotional stress (there are numerous examples of this). So here is my theory - that in the process of feeding off of Moraine's powers, the bond was severed or at the least the Finn's specifically severed the bond in order to create the emotions that the Finns love to feed off. I wonder that the reason they supposedly consumed Lanfear's power and killed her first is that she did not have a warder bond that recently snapped - hence her emotions weren't as strong so they had to be more extreme with her in order to feast off of her emotions better - and this is why (if they were telling the truth) that they drained her too fast. So with Moraine's emotions from a recently snapped warder bond, she would be a feast without having to drain her much initially. I know it is somewhat of a ramble, but it is an interesting idea. Your thoughts - and please leave AMOL spoilers off of this.
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